Palestine does exist

ReOrient festival provides a much more nuanced image of the “Middle East”


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Palestine does exist
by Choob Dosar-gohi
28-Jan-2008
 

“We need history for life and action, not as a convenient way to avoid life and action, or to excuse a selfish life and cowardly or base deeds.”
-- Nietzsche, The Use and Abuse of History.

A couple of mornings ago, when I read the news and saw a clip from Aljazeera about the fall of the wall in Rafah, I asked myself, what other choice does one have but to explode the wall in order to be able to buy bread and fuel for survival? What else can one do when the “international community” chooses to stay silent about one of the most hideous crimes in history? What else can one do when the hypocritical harbingers of democracy turn a deaf ear and a blind eye to the violences of the inhumane State of Israel?

What else can one do when the messengers of “change” who raise millions of dollars for their presidential campaign (No, not just McCain, but the much loved Obama) write letters to the UN Security Council, urging it not to pass any resolution to lift the wall without understanding “Israel’s right to respond”? I guess a democratic election does not count unless it is approved by “us” who spend millions on our election campaigns and penalize others with hunger and death for not choosing a “democratic” government!

But it is not just the US politicians who are complicit with the State of Israel’s violence against the Palestinians. Sadly, those of us who read and contribute to Iranian.com and are often so opinionated on every matter and feel so compelled to write about everything that happens in the world, have been complicit with this violence by being silent about the recent Palestinian situation.

To escape this deadly silence, I decided to write about the events around me which have to do with Palestine, stating and not stating Palestine anywhere, and being in a “Palestine state of mind.” Some times the fall of walls by those under siege is what it takes to break out of the writers’ block suffered by those of us sitting in our comfortable homes far from the reality of war, agonizing silently.

A couple of weeks ago, I saw ReOrient, a festival of short plays about the Middle East in San Francisco. I was disappointed not only by the low turn out of Iranians in this event, but to see that there is barely any report or critique of it on Iranian.com. I may be mistaken, but I have a feeling that this lack may have to do with the fact that the plays are not about Iran.

Am I wrong to think that most of the Iranian immigrants only support event that have to do with the commemoration of a “homeland” left behind? That most Iranian-Americans do not give a damn about coalition building with other immigrant communities, especially with Arabs? That while our claims of “universal human rights” abound, we choose to stay silent when it comes to Palestine, as if Palestine is not “our” issue?

ReOrient is not just about Iran. In fact, two of the five plays are about Palestine, one being a monologue performed as a standup comedy. There is a line which highly resonates and is repeated in this monologue, written by Yussef El Guindi, directed by Arlene Hood, and brilliantly performed by the very talented Sara Razavi. She (the Palestinian) says, “Among the drama of nations, if nations were types of dramas, Palestine would be a monologue… A lone voice… you hear it in the distance; you hear its wails; you wish it well… you wish it would stop… you wish it would go away … when you know it won’t shut up or go away, you begin to tune it out… you tune out this monologue.”

Unfortunately, I think many of us have tuned Palestine out and frankly the Arab-hating sentiments that have filled our national imaginations do not let us see the pain and hear the voices of Palestinians who are being killed violently by the Israeli tanks or die softly behind the Israeli walls. We refuse to notice as we go on with our comfortable lives, pretending that Palestine does not exist.

Another ReOrient play, based on Simin Behbahani’s poem, “I Sell Souls” is not necessarily about Palestine, but certainly speaks to the silence surrounding it. Before writing a few words about this play, allow me to issue a preemptive disclaimer for those who may leave loving comments: I swear to you, I am not an Arab, an Arab-parast or any derivative thereof. Nor am I an IRI spy or a ReOrient agent! If anything, I am not sure if Golden Thread would approve of my appropriation of their plays here, as I may be jeopardizing their “centralist” position and pissing off the few rich Iranians who may some day support Iranian theater for the sake of its prestige. So, don’t blame ReOrient or the Golden Thread for my pro-Palestinian position. Believe me, if it were up to me, I would call it “DeOrient” to do away with the “Orient” all together and I would question the geopolitical discourses that -- as Edward Said argues -- have imagined the Orient to construct a civilized European self. But that is another discussion.

Despite my placement of the drill on the poppy seed (matteh roo khashkhaash gozaashtan) about the name of this festival, I strongly believe that ReOrient is a must-see, especially when there aren’t many plays about the Middle East that challenge stereotypical images of this vast geographical designation.

It is true that the funding for artistic, journalistic, academic, and non-academic knowledge production about the “Middle East” and Islam has seen a surge since September 11. But it is also true that many of these productions repeat the stereotypical representations of the “Middle East” and are complicit with the discourses that reproduce it as un-free, violent, and in need of liberation.

ReOrient challenges these stereotypes and provides a much more nuanced image of the “Middle East” than many plays which seem to find their way to the stage at this historical moment (hence, the need to support it as I doubt that it would be fundable by mainstream funding sources).

While one or two plays in the festival are unnecessarily long, the ones that are written, directed, and performed well certainly make it worth seeing. (In case you are wondering: other plays in the ReOrient deal with the 2006 bombing of Lebanon, the post 9/11 surveillance in the United States, and the Arab/Jew dichotomy in Israel.)

Back to “I Sell Souls”… Torange Yeghiazarian’s abstract play which is based on Simin Behbahani’s poem, “I Sell Souls” is not only aesthetically beautiful (the music, poetry, performance and images are at times breath-taking), but it leaves the audience thinking and wondering about the relationship between one’s body, one’s soul, and the luxuries of life. What is the price that one pays to indulge oneself in worldly pleasures while shutting one’s eyes and lips in order to refuse to see and speak of injustices and violences in this world? How does one console oneself when one sells one’s soul?

A question that comes to mind after seeing this unique play is the gendering of the characters (body, soul, and soul dealer) and its relationship to selling out. Why is the feminine body (Lynne Soffer) less resistant to the temptation to indulge in pleasures offered by a man in a suite who signifies material pleasures and luxury (Garth Petal) than the masculine soul (Julian Lopez-Morillas)?

What would it mean if the roles were reversed? Is there a dichotomy between the body and the soul and if so what artistic choices result in the gendering of the characters? What is the connection between the soul and soil in the background image, and at what moment does the dance of the light and water shift to the earthly walk on the soil? This play surely leaves the audience with plenty to think about.

In a scene, as the body rests upon the soul and the soul-buyer rests with satisfaction on the body which seemingly shelters her soul, we hear: Silence… Silence… Silence… This silence feels eerily familiar when it comes to Palestine these days. One wonders if the silence towards the siege in Palestine has something to do with the selling of souls.

Or perhaps one can wonder, as the Monologist tells us, if the stateless Palestine has become a state of mind that everyone has experienced at some point: when one talks and no one listens. That is when one could say, “I feel like I am in a Palestine state of mind.” But this state of mind could also connote something more positive: when under siege, one breaks all barriers and continues to survive against all odds. And hopefully, that is when one could say, “I feel like I am Palestine.”

To end on an uplifting note, here is a video from DAM, a Palestinian rap group.


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“let go of Palestine and …”

by Fred (not verified) on

What is it with Islamist IRI clones, whoever is not buying their malarkey must be an Israeli. Whenever Iranians in Iran get to demonstrate against stone age Islamist’s rule, to Anti-Semites eternal dismay, one of their main slogans is “let go of Palestine and …” are Islamist’s shamelessness limitless?


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Palestinian Issue Is alive and Well in the Minds and the Hearts

by Concerned (not verified) on

Palestinian Issue Is alive and Well in the Minds and the Hearts of humanity.

It wont go away by starving, bombing, assasinating, confisticating, imprisoning, misrepresenting, manipulating, etc.

Let the Palestinians have a life too.
Give them their land back.
Let them live in peace.
Don't start new wars in Middle East.
Don't waste our tax dollars (billions of dollars yearly) on the Israeli government.


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RE: Concerned

by Anonymous Observer (not verified) on

Yeap. Everyone who doesn't agree with the Islamist point of view is on Israel's payroll. In fact, I just received my check, and that is why I'm responding.

You know, they say that when you have no logical argument to offer, you can always resort to name calling. We are all Zionist agents (I was raised Shiaa Muslim!). Please do not forget to mention that we are also one or more of the following:

Mortad;
Kafar;
Mofsed fil Arz;
Mohareb ba Khada;
Najes;
Yahoodi;

Please feel free to fill in the rest...


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Thank God for Zionism.

by Anti-Islamofascism (not verified) on

Thank God for Zionism. Islmo-fascim will soon been recognized by the UN as racism as well. Just wait and see....


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"Zionism Is Racism" Says United Nation

by Concerned (not verified) on

It seems like the Zionists have sent a whole team to this blog to defend the atrocitied commited by Israel.

I bet none of you are of Iranian or Middle Eastern origin at all.

You are on assignment to defend Israel's racist policies against humanity.


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Selected as a 2007 AAUP

by NO to Islamic Imperialism (not verified) on

Selected as a 2007 AAUP University Press Book for Public and Secondary School Libraries.

Islamic Imperialism
A History
Efraim Karsh

From the first Arab-Islamic Empire of the mid-seventh century to the Ottomans, the last great Muslim empire, the story of the Middle East has been the story of the rise and fall of universal empires and, no less important, of imperialist dreams. So argues Efraim Karsh in this highly provocative book. Rejecting the conventional Western interpretation of Middle Eastern history as an offshoot of global power politics, Karsh contends that the region’s experience is the culmination of long-existing indigenous trends, passions, and patterns of behavior, and that foremost among these is Islam’s millenarian imperial tradition.

The author explores the history of Islam’s imperialism and the persistence of the Ottoman imperialist dream that outlasted World War I to haunt Islamic and Middle Eastern politics to the present day. September 11 can be seen as simply the latest expression of this dream, and such attacks have little to do with U.S. international behavior or policy in the Middle East, says Karsh. The House of Islam’s war for world mastery is traditional, indeed venerable, and it is a quest that is far from over.

Efraim Karsh is professor and head of the Mediterranean Studies Programme, King’s College, University of London.

//yalepress.yale.edu/yupbooks/book.asp?isbn=0...


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The Islamist movement that

by Anonymous3 (not verified) on

The Islamist movement that uses the "sub-issue" of palestine as it's excuse to murder jews and non-muslims and destroy israel is nothing more the same old tired story of arab imperialism and domination of all who fall within it's ruthless grasp

lest we forget...

the arab occupation of the middle east is not native to israel, africa, kurdistan, lebanon, persia or iraq

the arabs are invaders from arabia in 640 ce...

they are the original occupier and as such deserve nothing more than they preach for who they call "occupier"

Jews are not indeginous to Europe. They were kicked out from the Middle East.

In just 50 years, almost a million Jews, whose communities stretch back up to 3,000 years, have been 'ethnically cleansed' from Arab countries.

These refugees outnumber the Palestinian refugees two to one, but their narrative has all but been ignored. Unlike Palestinian refugees, they fled not war, but systematic persecution. Seen in this light, Israel, which absorbed most of these Jewish refugees, is the legitimate expression of the self-determination of an oppressed indigenous, Middle Eastern people.

This website is dedicated to preserving the memory of the near-extinct Jewish communities, which can never return to what they once were. It will attempt to pass on the stories of the Jewish refugees and their current struggle for recognition and restitution. Awareness of the injustice done to these Jews can only advance the cause of peace and reconciliation.

(Iran: once an ally of Israel, Iran is now an implacable enemy and numbers of Iranian Jews have fallen drastically from 80,000 to 20,000 since the 1979 Islamic revolution. Their plight - and that of all other communities threatened by Islamism

-The forgotten Middle East Refugees

//www.jimena.org/

//jewishrefugees.blogspot.com/


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Maybe not Iran but someone

by XerXes (not verified) on

I don't think it should be Iran's responsibility alone to call the Zionist crimes against the humanity, the entire countries on earth need to do that. I do believe at some point in time that will happen. For now, let them have the "fun" to kill and torture, discriminate against little kids and their mothers. After all they are "chosen" people!
What goes around comes around. The world works in a mysterious ways.


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Q et al are calling for

by Thank God for Zionists (not verified) on

Q et al are calling for annihilation of Israel and her people. This will never happen. NEVER AGAIN!!!


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Sad, Sad, Sad !!!!

by Anonymous Observer (not verified) on

Iran sits in a rough neighborhood surrounded by Persian hating Arab countries, who did everything they could to destroy Iran and its people during its war with Iraq (as I mentioned earlier, these poor hopeless Palestinians were a part of that conspiracy and they actually contributed troops to the Iraqi army to fight Iran). They cannot even stand the word Persian attached to the Persian Guld and are doing everything they can to change it to Arabian Gulf. To that end, Iran and Israel have many things in common (not mentioning the fact that a huge chunk of the Israeli population is Iranian). Iran can find no better friend in this region than Israel. Instead, once again in our history, we have become the Arabs' water boy by fighting their fights and shedding tears for them, all to our own detriment. That is sad. It is also the symptom of the collective mental Stockholm Syndrome that our nation has been experiencing for the past 1400 years.

What is also sad is reading these comments, where you see these unfortunate Islamists try to justify this unjustifiable, and frankly stupid, position by hiding behind philosophical arguments such as quoting the famous phrase that "when they came for the Jews I didn't care because I wasn't Jewish...". Does that mean That if Iran doesn't challenge Israel, it's going to come and invade Iran next?!!!!
They also raise a moral issue that we have to stand for human rights. Really?!!!! So why don't you and the Iranian government become the standard bearers of the Darfur genocide when hundreds of thousands of people have been ethnically cleansed? Oh...sorry...I forgot...the Sudanese government, which is responsible for the genocide, is an Islamist regime that is actually supported by Iran!!

lastly, for those of you who twisted my arguments below, once again, I am not suggesting that Palestinians should be killed or treated badly because they participated in the war against Iran. I am saying that because of that conduct, WE should NOT be the standard bearer of their cause. Their Arab brethren, who always talk about the great Arab nation and Arab unity should do so. If you cannot understand this, then let me know, and I'll write it in Farsi for you!


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'Filthy' Israel's days are

by anti-Islamists (not verified) on

'Filthy' Israel's days are numbered - Iran

//www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23133989-2,00...


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The most biased Q

by Anonymous. (not verified) on

As a Islamist of the incapacitating Virulent Strain who does not miss an opportunity to spew his tautological Anti-Semetism, this Q is the most biased to objectively talk about this subject.


Q

Zion sees himself as a foot soldier defending Israel,

by Q on

this is a well documented condition among some Ashkenazi who feel inadequate about their relationship to their own culture and overcompensate by becoming Zionist apologists for the most gruesome crimes. They are willing to rewrite History for your own benefit and erase crimes against other peoples with BS 'justifications'.

No other explanation for saying something this:

Arabs lived in the land in many villages at the time of the establishment of the state of Israel, however that is only because the arabs had migrated on mass to this region in the first decades of the 20th century, AFTER the zionist idealists poured in the place, the barren derelict wasteland as it was in the second half of 19th Century

At this point, I really have to ask Zion: Are you high?

This is a hoax, a fraud that comes from the book "From time immemorial" that among other things relies on twisted poetic observations by Mark Twain! It has been disproven in every academic setting. Norman Finkelstein wrote a whole book that debunked this myth. Arabs migrated to Palestine after 20th century? It's rediculous!

Isaac jan, it's clear you will accept no evidence. In the past, I have argued about why Israel is an apartheid state with a colonial legacy. I gave you quotes from Ilan Pappe, and you dismissed them.

I'm sure you'll do the same with Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, Michael Lerner, Edward Said, Viktor Ostrovsky, Israel Shamir, Gideon Levy and Jimmy Carter.

So, I won't bother quoting them. But I do have one question for you: Whom do you believe?

Is there anyone with objective authority on the subject (which is Israel being an apartheid state with a colonial legacy) that you are willing to respect?

Or can we conclude that you have a closed mind on the subject?

 


Zion

Is that so?

by Zion on

I`ve seen these bogus ``quotations`` a lot my friend. Your supposed ``sources`` are also interesting.

[Moshe Dayan ... reported in Haaretz 1969] !! No kidding! that one is accurate and easy to find. Come on, this is pathetic.
Even if a faithful quote, which I doubt, it still proves nothing.
I`ll address the main point anyways, irrespective of your ``evidence``.
Arabs lived in the land in many villages at the time of the establishment of the state of Israel, however that is only because the arabs had migrated on mass to this region in the first decades of the 20th century, AFTER the zionist idealists poured in the place, the barren derelict wasteland as it was in the second half of 19th Century, and built the place up with their blood and sweat, draining the swamps, fighting the huge malaria mosquitos and you name it. Many arabs used to own vast pieces of derelict land, while themselves residing in Syria or Egypt and were more than happy to sell them for good money anyway. This piece of land was were people were sent to exile when convicted, through out the Ottoman empire, what does that tell you of its condition or population. Thses are all besides the ancient communities of Jews in cities like Jerusalem and Tsfat, and so on that had lived, or migrated to the land during the two millennia after the Roman exile.
Most of the villages were evacuated by Arabs themselves before their brethren invaded the newly established independent state of Israel. They didn`t want to be in way of invading arab forces. The israeli officials, including Ben Gurion, actually begged them to stay put, to be able to establish a healthy relationship from the beginning, and partly to prevent the war and the arab armies (though they were savvy enough not to be optimistic about it). What do you want Moshe Dayan or Israel to have done? Kept their homes cleaned and taken care of for them to return and annihilate the state of Israel, all of this in the middle of relentless war with the intent of extermination of all Israelis on the arab side? This is what Israel did in Gaza, remember? State of Israel prevented, by threat of arms, her own citizens to dismantle the houses they were abandoning, for Arabs to reside on as a good gesture sign. The same Gaza as you see today. Well we know how that turned out, don`t we? Bottom line is, had they not been such cowards or worse, had they remained, the would be living prosperously as other arabs do in arab villages inside Israel, in sharp contrast to their condition in camps among their brother arab states, or in their independent and victorious Gaza.

The only one of your remaining quotes that remotely sounds authentic is this one:
[We must do everything to ensure they [the Palestinian refugees] never do return`` David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar`s Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967]
There is nothing racist or horrible about it. Israel was invaded by Arab forces, facing annihilation ever since. There is no way Israel will allow the return of millions of arabs, deliberately kept in camps to prevent them from assimilating naturally in the rest of arab lands of ``palestine``, namely Jordan , Lebanon, Syria, precisely to use them as a demographic weapon of annihilation of this tiny Jewish home land. Interestingly enough, it is also the only one with a possibly plausible reference (no page number given).

The rest are quoted simply by themselves, no reference nothing, as if we just have to take your word for it, or rather that of your internet source. Yeah. Ben Gurion talking about God giving us the land! LOL!
If you weren`t so ignorant, you would have laughed as hard as I did to such nonsense! Oh, and he was not the founder of Israel. is that what your reliable source is saying? He was the first prime minister.

There are similar supposed ``quotations`` from the Talmud also floating around.

So my friend you have to come up with something better than these old lies here. The times, they are a changing.

Israel is a free modern democratic humane and prosperous land, for Jews, arabs and many other ethnicities. The only one in the middle East, and given her dire surroundings, the only one who could survive such conditions and still remain true to its principles.

I`m sorry, but the times, they are really a changing.


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Israel is a racist state

by Israel is a racist state (not verified) on

Zion, please remember that although you like to mention that Palestine was this or that, a non-Jewish native population existed and they were the majority before the European Zionist and later Sephardim Zionist colonization.

And remember these quotes by Israeli leaders:

"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population."
David Ben Gurion, Founder of Israel

"We must do everything to ensure they [the Palestinian refugees] never do return" David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar's Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967

"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"
David Ben Gurion, Founder of Israel

"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, 1969


Zion

Mehdi, Your questions have been covered already

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Zion I bet you are not Iranian

by Concerned (not verified) on

I bet you are not of Iranian origin.
If you are not, then, what are you doing here?
On the Iranian website?
Is it your assignment by you know who to write if defence of Israel?
Be honest, you know you are not of Iranian origin.


Zion

Mina, Concerned. the broken gramophone

by Zion on

I answer you just this one time. Israel has not occupied anyone`s home. Israel is the result of the return of an ancient people to their home. Those who come from all over the world were not occupying any one`s land, they were returning and establishing their old home land in a region to which they belonged. Palestine is the european name of the region muslims used to call A-Shaam. It is broken into various modern states after the world war, one of them is a Jewish home for Jews. Home, where they came from, where they belong to, where they never forgot or will ever forget as home. Arabs have their lands and territories. It`s funny you ask us what we would do if this and that! We were forced out of our land, we did live in real camps, real death camps, it was us remember? We didn`t do any of these crazy things. We went to the UN as civilized people, we gathered and helped each other, we fought justly for our land, without turning to beasts who blow themselves up and deliberately kill civilians, children, who blow up airplanes, who lynch soldiers... in the very few isolated instances when some of us did some of this, we as a people denounced it, were never dragged into it, opposed it and remained true to our principles, the principles that our ancestors introduced in its most powerful and effective form into the entire human culture.
WHo do you think you are talking to?
Your palestinians however do not qualify for any of your questions. They were NOT forced out of their land, they never had a separate country or identity to be taken from them, they do not act rationally, never did, never opted for life, for peace for innocents, they killed, they still kill for ideological reasons, they kill for the sake of killing, they are paid millions in aid, they use it for destruction... because all this is a sham to cover dirty old evil that is behind all this.
Stop your shameless lies. Israel is not killing innocents. Israel does everything humanely possible in the worst of situations to preserve innocent human lives. Because of all this Israel has survived odds no other nation has ever faced in man`s history, and because of her goodness, the future is hers. A bright future. The best of futures. Where are the ancient egyptians, the philistines, the amorites, the ammonites, the babylonians, the assyrians, the hittites, the byzantine, the crusaders, the inquisition, the Chalifet, the Tsars, the Soviets, the Nazis today? They all saw our days as numbered. Where are they now?
Tomorrow the world will see the Islamists added to this notorious list.
We are still here, we are still alive, our future is still open and bright. Because by and large, we always stood true to out values and ideals. To the truth and to the unconquerable goodness that lies at the heart of the world, although evil roars loudly and darkens everything all the time.


Mehdi

To: Mina

by Mehdi on

You vent a lot of emotions and making many claims. But I can't find any specifics. Your comments appear like a copy-and-past from some "anti-Israel" site. I am not sure why that is useful here. I don't know about the past much but what you are saying does not match the actual statistics about Israel. From what I have heard a lot of "Arabs" live in Israel and they are having a great life. I am not sure "Arab" here means Muslim or not. For some reason they are always referred to as Arabs and not Muslim. Are you saying this is not true?


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Israel: The Untouchable Holy Cow

by Kamran Vafaee (not verified) on

Israel has long been the untouchable Holy cow of the international political scene. Slightest criticism of Israel, particularly in the U.S., is heavily bombarded by the worshipers of the cow. The smallest bomb in their arsenal is the good old generic, useless "anti-semitic" lable. Ruining the criticizer's career and life is another common weapon. Whether in a corporation or a university, people have been taught and conditioned to refrain from criticizing Israel or else.....

The latest victim:

Even Arun Gandhi, Mahatma Gandhi's grandson, is not immune. He heads the Peace Institute at the University of Rochester. Late last week he was forced to resign after criticizing the "global culture of violence" perpetrated by Israel. See the report from the International Herald Tribune:

//www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/01/26/america/...

He could have said the same thing about any other group including the U.S. without being punished and ruined like he was in this case. Long Live the Cow! Worship the Cow! Dont touch the Cow!


Mehdi

To: Zion

by Mehdi on

Well, I wasn't following the points of the article really. I just mainly wanted to have a better understanding of the situation known as Israel-Palestine. If this situation has nothing to do with Israel, it is something I didn't know. Then I noticed a lot of comment apparently trying to excuse Israel by saying well we should not pay attention to Palestine, or that it is not our issue or that there is disater in other parts of the world and I simply tried to keep the conversation on the fight that at least on the surface is between Israel and Palestine.

From what I have heard about the situation, I wanted to know the reaction of both sides to the idea of extending Israel borders to cover all of what is known as Palestine. I also do not quite understand why supposedly Jewish people want to have a country in an age where people of all religions are getting more and more dispersed all over the world. It seems to me that Israel is setting itself up more like a Western style system than a Jewish state. I am not sure even what a Jewish state means. Most democracy clearly want a separation of "church" and state. Is Israel not wanting that? How do they exactly plan to micx the two? I am not aware of any government system known as Jewish state."

In this light, I was wondering why Palestinian would care if the place is known as Jewish state. What difference does it make to them or anybody? But I am afraid it is hard to keep the comments related to the topic, it seems. I haven't really receive much comment about what I asked.


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Israeli Terror Machine

by Mina. California (not verified) on

Israel is a neo-colonial creation. Its existence so far has brought nothing but terror and violence upon the people living in the whole region. It has not even brought peace and security for Israelis. We live in the 21st century. It is way past time that the Zionists and their supporters wake up and realize that god was not a real estate agent and even if he were, he never issued a permanent title to the Palestinian land to Zionists.

Israel, by its nature by its design, can never live in Peace until and unless it recognizes other people's right to a decent life free from apartheid and free from daily terror. It is very educational as to the nature of man to see that Hitler's victims have created the largest and the most dangerous military machine in the region and are themselves committing crimes and state-planned terrorism.

Israel has no future going forward if it continues on its current course. The first thing Israel needs to learn and acknowledeg is that they must play with the same rules as others. We cannot have two sets of rules. One for Israel and another for the rest of the world. Killing innocent people on a daily basis for the last 60+ years does not become acceptable just because Israel does it.

The whole idea of occupying other people's land by brute force and moving Jewish people who have been living for generations in other parts of the world to occupied lands is not only idiotic and criminal in nature, it is unsustainable and will eventually fail. This is regardless of unconditional love from uncle Sam.


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Re: Zion, Bijan, Mehdi is not confused, You are. Or maybe ....

by Concerned (not verified) on

My questions to you is:

1. What do you do if somebody come and take over your house and throw you out of your house? The house that belongs to you.?

2. What do you do if the same person chase you out of your own neighberhood? the same neighborhood that you grew up in?

3. What do you do if he close down your business and take over your property?

4. What do you do if he takes over a piece of farm land you owned, chased you out of your country and you became a refugee in a different country?

5. What would you do if you live under conditions not much different than a concentration camp?

I bet you wouldn't like it. You would scream and yell and sue. You would go to United Nations and any other international organization and want your house, land and belongings back.

You are so confused and blind not to see the Palestinians' plight or maybe, you yourself are a part of the problem? Dreaming of the house you would like to build on the confiscated Palestinian land. Like tens of thousands who moved from New york, Chicago, Philadelphia and Los Angeles and settled down on confiscated Palestinian land.

How come when you were oppressed you expected help from the international community but now that you have the US political establishment in your pocket your can't hear the cries of help of an opperssed people who are being starved, bombed, walled in and dying?

This is the real meaning of the word Zionist. The same ideology that was declared by the United Nation as a racist idealogy in the 1970's.

You are not the victims any more. You are the oppressors now.
The whole world knows it but is unable to do anything about it at the moment.

Every thing changes and this situation will change too.


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Here we go again.....

by Bijanam (not verified) on

One more time we have another blogger who hides his distorted mind, prejudices and biases behind the fake cover of caring and humanity, to make his point. If you are as intelligent as you claim to be by posting your nonsense, why don’t you use your brain and analyze the reason for why Palestinian are where they are? I know it is hard to put aside your prejudices and let only your logic rule for a minute. But, if you can do that, and can be honest with yourself, then tell me who has been against the peace?. Please don’t give me the garbage about apartheid, Zionism, or Israel is not a legitimate state, etc…If you are so removed from reality to argue recognition of state of Israel and her right to defend her citizens, then you can go back to Gaza and join your Hamas brothers.

However, if you are rational and would like to progress and have a dignified life, you will compromise. You pay a price (even if that price is your pride) and start rebuilding. The problem is when you are consumed by hate and have no respect for life (by some misguided teachings), you cannot be rational. If you, or people who represent you, choose to be miserable (in spite of everyone’s attempt to get you out of your misery), then you deserve what you have chosen. I can feel pain to see your misery and feel sorry for you but ultimately, you are the one responsible.

So, please stop this nonsense.

By-the-way I suggest you change your alias from “shit head” (Sar gohi) to something else. It attracts a lot of “concerned” flies…


Zion

You are confused Mehdi

by Zion on

There are two separate issues here that you are confusing with each other:
One is about caring for people in distress wherever they might be. You are right. That would also include the so called palestinians, they are in a bad situation because of their leaders, their intolerant death loving culture and indoctrination and because of the way the Arabs, Islamists and Leftists have been using them for their purposes, keeping them in ghettos and camps, keeping them bleeding, to use them as a weapon against Israel, Jews and the free capitalist world (their so called Imperialism). But caring for them is to help them as individual human beings in distress, giving humanitarian aids and so on. This is what the US does, europeans do and ISRAEL does. Iranian islamists and leftists actually dont do any such thing. Quite the contrary.

The other is to help them in their fight, in their struggle against, you name it, Jews, Zionists, against Imperialists , against oppression... and garbage of this sort. This is what these people, and this article in particular, are all about. See here:

[Palestine has become a state of mind that everyone has experienced at some point: when one talks and no one listens. That is when one could say, “I feel like I am in a Palestine state of mind.” But this state of mind could also connote something more positive: when under siege, one breaks all barriers and continues to survive against all odds. And hopefully, that is when one could say, “I feel like I am Palestine.”]

Real flesh and blood human beings must keep being torn apart in explosions, or starved to death and darkness by the hands of the likes of Hamas and Fatah, or crushed down ... like people of Israel, Palestine or Iran, so they can continue with propagating this glorious state of mind in their grand struggle of history against capitalism, imperialism ... and similar line of nonsense reasoning. People, what are they but dispensible pieces in the grand scheme of things! The end of course justifies the means, remember that slogan?

To join the fight of a group that has proven themselves, not as individual human beings, but as a collective identity, against your people in every single instance you Iranians were in need, a group that have collaborated with your enemies and will continue to do so, this is a completely different thing. It is, frankly, what masochistic brainwashed idiots would do, solely to serve the interests of specific so called activists, and against their better judgment, their interests, their well being and even their lives. Why? Because they are lied to, and because of a deliberate attempt to keep them ignorent on a specific set of issues.

That is the point all the comments are, correctly, trying to make. You have missed their point.


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I tell you why...

by Anonymous. (not verified) on

It is not resolved becuase it is one pie and two sides, each wanting the whole pie. And 22 muslim countries using it as the prime excuse to divert attention and cover up for their own incompetence and thievery.

That blog was about only one of the three that I mentioned. Where are the blogs on other two?


Mehdi

Re: Where is the outrage?

by Mehdi on

I think you are looking for this blog. I wonder if we can keep this blog about Palstine-Israel situation and not about other issues. I am personally interested to see what people say about this specific issue. I don't understand why the Palestine-Israel issue has not been resolved in so many years.


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Where is the outrage?

by Anonymous. (not verified) on

Where is the blog or outrage for the recent death of iranian law student, Ebrahim Lotf-Allahi, in sanandaj in IRI prison?

Oh, he is an iranian and therefore less important than arabs who imposed on us the glorious islam.

Where is the blog or outrage for the recent death of iranian medical student, doctor Zahra Bani Yaghoub, in the hands of IRI agents?

Oh, she is a woman and her life has half as much value if anything at all.

Where is the blog or the outrage for the murder of 250,000 black africans in the hands of Sudanese arabs in darfur?

Oh, they are blacks and their lives have no value compared to arabs who destroyed iran twice, once 1400 years ago, and a second time 30 years ago through their agents in IRI. Besides, arabs are immune to criticism as they always righteously kill on behalf of their murderous god and religion as they do in IRI.

//www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessio...


Mehdi

Whose Business

by Mehdi on

I see a lot of comments in one way or another saying that the Palestine's problem is not our problem. Some say that there are problems everywhere, so why should we concentrate on Palestine. The point is that this blog is regarding Palestine. It is not like if we spend a few minutes here, the rest of the world will fall apart. Also, this is not a blog about IRI's policies, so it is really not directly relevant to say that Iran should mind its own business - whether correct or incorrect. You might make that statement if we were talking about IRI's foreign policy, or Saudi Arabia's policies. Here the discussion is "what about Palestinians?".

If you feel that this has nothing todo with you, it is understandable. But it does reminds me of this thing I heard that "when they came for the Jews, I said they are not my problem. When they came for the Christians, I said they are not my problem... When they came for me, there was nobody left to ask for help!"

And then there are others who say Arabs are rich and they should deal with it. Or that Palestinians helped Saddam so they deserve what comes to them. This is similar to those who say whatever happened to Jews was probably deserved otherwise why did it happen. I think you get the point - these are invalid statements.

Personally, maybe I am too nosey but when something happens a few galaxies away, I care! I am probably weird. When there is repression of Chinese or Chechans or whatever, I care. I am not sure why that is. But I have a feeling that despite any hatred you may feel for anybody or any race, I think deep down you will feel sad about that situation. You may have to defend yourself or your family or your group by killing another person. It may be well justified. You may even become joyful that you protected your people, but you have lost your humanity if you also become joyful that you took someon'e life - no matter how eveil that person was. It simply means you have become just as evil. Or at least you don't believe that people deep down are decent even if they act extremely evil.


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Re: Bored ....

by Concerned (not verified) on

But I live in the United States of America and have not been brain washed by you know who.
I care for the well being of American people and their future.
I want my children who are born and live in this country (meaning USA) to have a future free from prejudice and racism.
What is wrong with that?
What is being done to Palestinians by the Israelies and their supporters have turned more than a billion Moslem of the world against my country (USA).
I want this to be changed. United States has the power to stop the Palestinian people's suffering.
This is the point I am trying to make.
Why are you always talk about Arabs and Iran and what not.