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It's a Miracle...Anonymous 7 has seen the light!!!

Hello Anonymous 7, since you have concluded that you should not be arguing with me, and that you should be back in Iran; when will you be leaving? The sooner the better, you should be much happier there!

Bon voy'age, sai a nara, hasta la vista, dos be dan'a, chow, alvetersein, fare well, don't let the door hich ya, where the good lord splitcha!!!!!!!!

PS

My apologies to Arezu and the rest of the posters, I hastily sent my previous reply addressed to the wrong person :-)

Joe B.

Re: Joe

hey, Joe I am the guy who responded to your post "Finatical Islamic Extremists" not Arezo.
Anyhow, here is what I can tell you in a nutshell, you disaster Reaganists created a big mess and some nasty creatures (AKA Alqaeda, Jihadists, etc.) when you were obsessed with and fixated on Russians. .... but that is past .....
It is going to take a long time to clean up that big ****** mess .... and we (Americans, Europeans, Iranians, ...) need to stay focused on that instead of Barking up the wrong tree, i.e., causing problem for Iran.
You see, instead of arguing with you I should now be in Iran with my American coworkers selling IBM, HP, Sun servers, Cisco routers, .... Billions of dollars of those things ....

Arezu

Dear Arezu,

You are promoting "Psycho Babbel". Reagan was not in office when the extremists captured 50 + Americans in Terhan. Though they were released shortly after he was sworn in ...duh, I wonder why?

At any rate, it really does not matter when or how it started. The fact of the matter is: Isalmic Extremists continue to hold the world hostage; they reject capitalism and and a civilized world.

They will not be happy unitl their goals are achieved. At least President Bush has had the wil to face them. Unfortuantely, and with much regret, we have been to passive in prosecuting the war. It is obvious that they require a foot on their neck to keep them at bay, which is probably why Sadam was so ruthless.

List of Present Muslim Conflicts:

1.Afghanistan . 2. Bosnia Serbian Christians 3. Cote d'Ivoire 4. Cyprus Muslims 5. East Timor 6. Indonesia 7. Kashmir 8. Kosovo Serbian 9.Kurdistan 10. Macedonia 13. Pakistan 14. Philippines Muslims 15. Russia 16. Serbia 17. Sri Lanka Buddhis19. Thailand 20. Bangladesh 21. Tajikistan:

Show me one country in that region of the world that has 1/10th of the freedom or opportunity that we have here. You can't, because the methods of government do not work over there.

So go back to your "Communist Manifesto" and stop trying to indoctrinate others into your sick sense of how things ought to be.

Joe B.

Abarmard.........once again.....

I would like to say very nice writing. I look forward to your next article or blog.

Best,

Nadia

Finatical Islamic Extremists (re: Joe B.)

Joe, why don't you admit that the extremists in the US government (the extremist right wing Reaganists and Neocons) empowered/almost created the strongest jihadist movement with global reach during the cold war in Afghanistan/Pakistan.
Why don't you admit that Taliban and Talibans are product of those Madresas (Islamic schools) in Pakistan that you Reaganists and Saudis sponsored.
That is a fact that is admitted by many descent Americans including some CIA veterans (watch US NPR documentary Frontline if you are really looking for the truth).
You Reaganist right wing fanatics may not be responsible for 99% of jihadist movement but you guys, and your Saudi and Pakistani friends together are responsible for nearly all of it....
Not so dear Joe, your Neocon friends are still in bed with some of their old jihadist friends (Read Seymour Hersh's 2007 article - Seymour is an American Pulitzer Prize winning investigative journalist )

Finatical Islamic Extremists

Arezu,

Why don't you mention who the real trouble makers of the world are? Why don't you spend more time protesting the "jihadists"? Why don't you admit that 99% of the conflicts in this world relate to "Islamic Extremists". Forcing women to cover their faces is dehumanizing. Why don't you protest the deliberate destruction of Mosques -crowded with people- by terrorists.

You sit here and bad mouth the US government incessantly, but you fail to blame the killers of the innocent. Our government is far from perfect: we all know that. But the terrorism that exists in the world today, was not created by George Bush. You have obviously convinced yourself of this notion, so please do not bother with a response. You refuse to aknkowledge where the real problems are today.

Joe B.

To: Arezu

Arezu,

You are deliberately twisting words so that they will fit into your own context. I did not say that this: "but on the other hand you say you don't like to learn about various issues and subject matters which you term as force feeding".

I appreciate each opportunity that I have to learn. This opportunity has long been protected by the US Constitution and protected by the US Marines, Army, Navy, and Airforce.

There is a big difference between force feeding a goose to make it a delacacy than to allow the goose to feed naturally. You are a goose who has been force fed, so you have a hard time digesting on your own.

You need to be thankful of your opportunity to express yourself in this forum, because I sincerely doubt that this opportunity exists as openly in your country.

Joe B.

Iran in 2008 is the best

Iran is a beautiful country.
All you need is cash and you can have a lot of fun.
Tehran even has an awesome subway and internet coffee shops.

Re: Arezu

Although I agree with your opinion about the US foreign policy, I disagree with your approach in how to deal with them. Here is a quote from your last post which I agree with:

"I am totally against any interference into the affairs of Iran by any foreign entity/governments...."

Another quote: "my views are that unless the U.S. changes its foreign policy around the world... it will lose whatever little credibility that it has left..."

I agree with both above statements. However, the US will NOT change its foreign policies because you and I are demanding it. I don't think it will change it in the foreseeable future either.

So now the question becomes what are WE going to do about it? Here are two proposals:

1. Fight the US with everything we got. We will use our resources, human lives, deprive ourselves of imported technologies and investments, face sanctions, face possible imposed wars and attempts to overthrow our government. We will do all of these and sacrifice the quality of our lives possibly for generations in order to put the US in its place.

2. Have friendly relations with the US at the cost of giving up some strategic concessions to them, and avoid confrontation with them when the US is bullying others.

3. Be in a state of limbo somewhere between #1 and 2 above.

The IRI and Cuba and a few other countries have choosen option #1. Japan after the world war, Korea, India, Spain and to some extend China today and many other countries have chosen #2. We can clearly see the results of these choices by looking at those countries.

With either option something must be sacrificed. I believe that option#2 would provide a better quality of living and with less sacrifice than option #1 for the Iranian people.

What is your choice? Option #1 or #2? If neither one, then what is your SOLUTION? How should we proceed with the US? Note that we all dislike the US foreign supremacist policies, therefore that is not the point of the discussion. The point is to talk about solutions. What is your solution?

Arezu Khanoom

You changed the topic of discussion in post #22 of this thread and now you declare an end to diversion?

Chashm.

I will only refer you to this site (World Health Organization) on depleted Uranium.

//www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs257/en...

We all have fond memories

of times from long ago. It is good to sometimes stop and  reflect on our childhoods. To take a few minutes away from the madness all around us. Simply to stop and breath.

There is joy and sorrow in our  memories. The world is ever changing and it is becoming increasingly more difficult for every new generation.

I too miss some of my childhood experiences. I miss the time I spent with relatives that are now since gone.

paz y amistad

Nadia

To: Anonymous4now - I am sure others would like to move on

Dear Anonymous4now:

I don't want to hold this thread to a discussion between myself and a number of other individuals - people would like to get back to other subjects. However, as my final remark on this thread - I will provide you with my response in order to both correct the mistake, and the confusion.

1. As I said some of the comments were not directed at you but to Joe B.. I made a mistake of not separating your comments from his – the comment about the mental exercise was not directed at you.
My apologies.

2. With respect to DU – I did not pick my news from a single source – It comes from multiple sources, especially scientists who are experts and have studied the impact of DU. Furthermore the comments are also coming from U.S. soldiers who have been contaminated by DU, including prominent Israeli scientists who have also witnessed the impact of this substance on Israelis - as I indicated it does spread throught the region or anyone who comes into contact with DU.

3. I understand that some U.S. officials have disputed these arguments – however they have never provided the facts of why they dispute them. Could it be they are hiding the deadly weapons being used and don’t want the world and the American people, and or the American soldiers to know in what hellhole they are fighting? The links I provided where not coming from some un-known anti-American scientists.

Furthermore, I do dig deep; what I presented is simply a few web-links – as I know how people do not like reading information, and those who provide sources are labeled! It is also not derived from simply googling DU on the internet! It also comes from direct discussion with nuclear scientists.

4. With respect to your comments (which I hope this will be the last about the Palestinians as people are getting tired of this issue) on the article of Paul Craig Roberts – and my full agreement with it – does not stem from simply this article. Again you should read my remarks to Setiz who made the first comment about this. I have followed these developmens for many years!

5. On my views About American foreign policy:

a. You come to the conclusion that I am against Americans – I am against American Government foreign policy agenda and gun boat diplomacy, and their imperialist agenda. As are many American born individuals, as well as prominent American scholars, former U.S. intelligence officers, Presidential candidates (Ron Paul, Mike Gravel, Dennis Kucinich, Joe Biden, etc..), Pulitzer prize Journalists and many others from around the world and the list goes on…..

b. Why do you think that the Democrats were elected into office in November of 2006 – the American people wanted a change from the strategy used by Pres. Bush, the neocrazies and their interference in Iraq which they considered illegal and based on false propaganda, while causing death to American soldiers and bleeding the American tax payers.

Why do you think there is a debate going on among the Democratic Presidential candidates (including even Hillary Clinton as well as Edwards and Barrack Obama) who are against installing American military bases in Iraq, and believe that the troops have to be pulled out from Iraq? It is not simply because of the death of American soldiers, but their presence which is inciting greater violence, and chaos in Iraq. A cause of American interference under the pretext of WMDs and later democracy promotion.

c. I am sure that you have read the PNAC? There plan is out in the open about the U.S. military and imperialist agenda.

d. Furthermore, Iranian history is full of foreign intervention by various forces initially Russia and Britain, and then of course America.

I don’t know how you feel, maybe you are fine with this type of interventionist foreign policy. However, many, and I mean people, whether Iranians or not do not to like to be dictated by foreign powers nor meddling into their affairs.

You can’t surely deny the former colonial powers interference in the affairs of countries around the world which served the interest of the colonial powers and not the interest of the indigenous population.

With respect to Iran:

U.S. foreign intervention has had a negative repercussion in the socio-economic and political development of Iran – starting from the British/Russian involvement in the 1800’s and then the pattern of U.S. presence in Iran starting from 1925 going forward until the Revolution of 1979 – and now still trying to make a comeback!.

As I have repeatedly stated on this thread and provided my reasons, I am totally against any interference into the affairs of Iran by any foreign entity/governments.

6. Finally, my views are that unless the U.S. changes its foreign policy around the world, and comes back to the rule of law, the UN Charter, the U.S. Constitution and respect for the independence, cultures, customs, of other countries and lives up to its democratic principles; it will lose whatever little credibility that it has left.

Its support for dictators, puppets, and overthrowing popular governments, and its biased and double standards as exemplified by its unconditional support of Israel – will only hurt the U.S. and the citizens of this country as well as the people around the world.

This is the tragedy of the U.S. foreign policy; and unless the various U.S. Administrations and policy makers are not willing to take a deep look within themselves in order to understand the cause and effect of their actions, mistakes will continue to be repeated and we are bound to live in a world of perpetual wars, hatred, divide and conquer and doom; a total disservice to the American citizens - as well as the citizens of countries were the U.S. agenda is for hegemonic control.

7. I personally do care very much about the state of this country; I make an effort in writing to my congressmen/congresswomen, senators, as well as Presidential hopefuls, and meeting with them on a constant basis and providing my views about various legislations and bills that are to the detriment of the people of this country both domestically and internationally.

I am not a passive bystander but an active proponent of change because I do care. I hardly believe this would label one as hating the U.S. or being Anti-American, but rather the total opposie.

Finally, I would advise you to use your words wisely and carefully as opposed to using false labels which are totally incorrect and are simply the way you formulate your your opinions on the subject matters that are being discussed !!

Best Regards

Arezu

Hopefully now everyone else can get back on track which was the subject of the article published by Abarmard.

Dear Arezu

Sorry I missed your post. I thought it was for someone else.

I have no reason to pull your leg or mislead you into believing I have a science background. In fact my point was, you don’t have to be a scientist to look thing up for yourself. Depleted Uranium is not at all the toxic and deadly substance you believe it to be and we should not be ready to jump to the conclusion, without examination, that even if it was that toxic, military warfare and armament would be laced with it to maximize human casualty. It would be great, I think for you, to see how biased and one sided you point of view appears to others. Hatred of the US and anti Americanism permeates through your thought processes, and that is why I think you are so ready to believe the statement you made about Depleted Uranium.

You also made the statement:

“And as some have already commented, it seems that your only attempt is to make one go through the mental exercise of responding to your questions in order to provide you with further ammunition in attacking the individual.”

It is not my style to attack and I respect all points of view. That is the only way my point of view can be accepted. We have to believe in that principle if we are seriously talking about democracy. I have asked questions in the past, from authors, to clarify their positions, so I can understand them better, and if convinced adopt their positions. I just had a most pleasant discussion about one of the most difficult issues surrounding the situation in Iran, with Xerxes, and I hope that our next discussion will be over a cool glass of beer. If you are being sincere, rational and factual then nothing, to your determent, can come out of my questions, that I would be able to use as “ammunition” against you.

You said you fully agreed with the article written by Paul Craig Roberts, and I asked you if you believe everything you read. I posted a quote an excerpt from George W. Bush’s speech from this site:

//www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2008/01/20...

I wanted to know why you would wholly believe in one point of view and not another. Do you believe one is full of politics and has an agenda and the other does not and is only concerned about humanity? I only wanted clarification.

Xerxes Jaan

How I would love for us to be sitting at Darband having these discussions over Kabob and beer. Right now our compatriots get lashed for having a party in the privacy of their homes.
I agree that military intervention can never be as predictable as suggested in my one sentence proposal, but when there are no solutions available and the only predictable is that this band of thugs will not leave without persuasion then force is the only option. If you are under the crushing weight of a rock then the only thing that can save you is a crane. You cannot be expected to lift yourself out, from under it. In 1945, when the Russians refused to leave Iran, had it not been to Truman’s ultimatum, Iran would have been annexed, and there was nothing Iranians could do about it. Had the Russians not left, do you believe you would not have voted for an American invasion to get the Russians out of Iran? No one knows, how many times the Russians may have been tempted to invade Iran, from 1945 to 1979, the way they invaded Afghanistan at the first sign of weakness in the region, had it not been for the alliance Iran had with the Americans. I agree with you that the best kind of friendship is one that is based on equal footing, but fate had Iran in a different position in the 20th century, and although it was fast on its way to gain an equal footing, it was still not enough to stand up against a Soviet empire, or an American super power. In another post “1943 Tehran Conference” someone said that the Shah was a pathetic leader to have not been invited to the conference in his own country. The reality is, Iran was a pathetic nation back then, but by 1971 the Shah had managed to reverse the situation and had invited all the leaders of the world to celebrate the greatness and longevity of the Iranian nation and culture. That was great! But I have always wondered how much better it could have been, had the Iranian nation been allowed to participate also, rather than be spectators on TV.

I also agree that democracy cannot be brought into Iran, and the point of military action, in the absence of ground invasion can never be installation of a government. Iran is ripe and ready for a democracy. The young, about 70% of the population, are savvy and completely aware of world and local politics, unlike our generation (I am assuming you belong to my generation) who were brought up completely ignorant and insulated, by their parents “to protect them”. What they need is guidance from a leader that the exiled community has failed to give them, and the IRI has purged within Iran. The point of such military assistance is not to have the work done for us, it can only be a catalyst, a demilitrization of the IRI, to start the work for the Iranian nation to build up a grass roots democracy, by themselves, for themselves.

Rumors from tehran...

There are rumors in tehran that IRI is bringing Palestinian thugs to oppress and harass people more swiftly since IRI believes that iranian police force has been rather soft and not very effective in putting people down, e.g., in confronting them for dress code, hejab, and student uprisings. They point to some dark complexion guys in military-like fatigue on tehran's highways. I personally do not know how true this is but it is a real shame if it is true.

To: Joe B

You don't have to worry about me, I can manage multiple tasking and am quite capable of dealing with multiple issues simultaneously.

Interesting that you say you are on this site because you enjoy learning about different cultures and history, but on the other hand you say you don't like to learn about various issues and subject matters which you term as force feeding. How paradoxical is this!

Arrogance and ignorance are very poor traits.

Furthermore, as an American you have much to learn about Iran, the Middle East, terrorism, Islam etc... So, If I were you I would be greatful of all the free education that you are receiving from this site.

To: Jamshid my case is different from Joe B.

If you recall, and maybe you don't - short term memory may have something to do with it.

However, once and for all if you start reading from page one of the comments on this site and then come to the present page you can see who brought up the Palestinian issue - and how this discussion took on a turn of its own!!

I don't intend to re-write the same comments all over again for your pleasure nor anyone else. So start reading, as opposed to making an unjustified comparison between myself and Joe B.

To:Another Anonymous Indeed Misplaced Attention!

Yes, you indeed have a mis-placed attention problem. The reason for the discussion of the Palestinian issue was due to the subject of TERRORISM!!

Read the comments starting from page one and then follow each remark carefully before you jump into the middle of a discussion without having a clue why the Palestinian issue was brought up.

Some of you guys/or ladies seem to have a hard time with details.

good old days could have lasted? (Re: Jamshidjan)

Jamshid says: "..(yeah, yeah, they are IRI reformists, not hardliners).."

Jamshidjan instead of these talks let's go back to the topic that this good man (Abarmard) has come up with, here is my good old days:
Right around the the revolution years before and after IRI, I was working as a house painter making a good money in my teenage years (some long days around 250 tomans which was a lot then) ... so I remember them as good old days too. (It suffices to say that I was in beautiful Isfahan and got my contracts in Muslim, Jewish, and Armenian communities)
I think those good old days could have lasted and the changes in Iran could have taken place at a much less stressful way (an understatement) if Shah had some faith on Iranians and had started the democratization process when or around those years that Kennedy asked him ... maybe then some of the strong middle class Iranians would have truly supported him and not all that energy for change would have been utilized by the only existing opposition (i.e., Islamist opposition).
Many leftover monarchists say that Iranians did not appreciate Shah, maybe it is the other way around ... Shah did not trust the strong Iranian middle class ...

TO: Arezu /aka: Cut and Paste

Dear Arezu,

I pity your poor soul. It must be horrible having to carry the burden of civilization on your wretchid shoulders. How can you possibly support that tremendous weight? You must be Super Arezu.

I am indeed an American, and this is the only name that I use. It is my birth name, after my father. I sincerely do not feel a need to justify why I am posting on this "blog", or why I have an interest in the affairs of Iran. For the record: I think that the people of Iran and the history of Iran are very interesting, and I enjoy reading about cultures different than my own.

I do not allow others to force feed me information, which is apparently why you are now on circuit overload. Open your mind a little and you can relieve some of the pressure. Much like depressing the stim on an inner tube when it is over inflated, or removing the cork from a bottle of champagne. Free your mind and the rest will follow.

It is really not too difficult to prosper in this country. Work hard, play by the rules, keep a good attitude.

Joe B. (The only name I use)

Re: Arezu

Arezu, how can you criticize Joe B for the same issue that you yourself are guilty of?

Quote from your post: "I thought you said you were an American. If you are, why are you spending so much time on Iranian.com and taking so much interest on what is happening in Iran? "

Couldn't one respond by saying to you: "I thought you (Arezu) are an Iranian, why are you spending so much time on the Palestinan issues?..."

Another quote from your post: "If you are an American shouldn't you be more worried about what this President ...have done in destroying all that America once stood for..."

Couldn't one equally tells you: "If you are an Iranian, shouldn't you be more worried about what the IRI has done in destroying all that Iran could be?...."

If it is fine for you to be an Iranian and a mouth piece for the palestinan cause, then what is so wrong with someone to be an American and be a mouth piece for Iran's cause?

Then you give cuddos to Xerxers and Anonym7, two feverish IRI supporter (yeah, yeah, they are IRI reformists, not hardliners). Is this the type of crowd in which you should feel comfortable?

Misplaced attention...

Palestinians supported saddam in iran-iraq war. If there is good relation between some of their factions and IRI is because they like iranian money not iran. As soon as iranian money dries up, they will be back to their own self, just like iraqi arabs fighting with tooth and nail with their iranian co-religions did.

We should not forget atrocities of iraqi arabs, supported by palestinians, in iran-iraq war, where according to an eye-witness, would capture iranian boy soldiers, rape them, and insert bombs into their anuses and lay them there, so that when iranian soldiers came up to collect dead bodies they would explode. Where were those nice Palestinians then to at least play impartial instead of supporting saddam. Some are beating their chests with ever increasing fervor, to sympathize with Palestinians who sympathized with the criminal saddam.

It seems like some are more concerned about darkness in gaza than the cold winter without gas in northern iran. Maybe they should propaganda on a Palestinian site instead. If we are so brave and wise and caring, we should first put our own house in order, care about some of our teenage girls who are living in far worse condition than Palestinians, selling their bodies on the streets of tehran out of despair and need, or object to tens of thousands of our youth that have been murdered on behalf of arab laws and religion. It is an outrage to view iranians as second-class citizens next to any other nation, including Palestinians, just like IRI does.

Dear Anonymous4now

Well if you don't believe that reform is possible and revolution is out of the question then make sense to choose the third option- A foreign military intervention. Although I would suggest to look at the possibilities in a more detail manner. In the case of "force" things can not be calculated and results will vary.
Now if I may also add that you must consider the choice of the Iranians inside the country. I am under the impression that they would not want any kind of foreign intervention. If I am wrong than your solution is the best option, although again I can not bring myself to the point to agree. I just can't. Iranians are full of pride, it's our culture, and I don't see the idea welcomed. In the future maybe I would go in more detail that why unlike you I do see the regime reformable. I also don't think that there is a quick solution (As many times this author has emphasis on that fact). We are a nation that need to deal with our own issues and need to resolve the challenges that come across our path. If today you are willing to give the future of our country to the hands of the western (foreign) nation, who is there to say that another problem won't arise and you and the rest of the nation feel incompetent to deal with it. Then again, just like Kuwait or Saudi or Jordan and Egypt, we raise our begging hands towards our boss, the west, which we have created it. Look, there is no simple solution to this problem, so if it sounds too easy and simple, then it can not work. Take my word for it. Democracy can not be imported to Iran. I wish I felt like tying more so I could tell you everything about the possible outcomes. If all of us in the Iranian.com were somewhere that we could have a beer while discussing this, then this would be much easier. Lastly I would add that if the west, especially the United States would stay out of the Iranian business and stop making excuses to pick on them, maybe the empowerment of the Iranians would blossom faster than the current rate. Sometimes I wonder if the US is doing all that she can to slow or stop the democratization process of our country...Who is there to prove that all this is not as a result of the plans of some oil companies? (Although I don't believe in that, but I can't disregard it either. So I am not going to give up on my country and her future, and hand it over to the west or whoever else. No way)

my previous comments where for Joe B. and Anonymous4now

Unfortunately, I forgot the mention Anyonymous4now
on my previous comment and referred only to Joe B.

It is intended to respond to both of your comments.

Indeed better days are long since passed.............

 "True is it that we have seen better days."

                -William Shakespeare

solh va doosti

Nadia

To; Joe B. - I surely am not trying to impress you!

Don’t bother answering, I am not going to put you in a real mental exercise.

1. You seem to be so arrogant to think that anyone who makes a comment is trying to impress you!! Well whoever you are, using multiple names, I have heard your exact verbiage in other articles on iranian.com directed at me. You are the same person.

So here we go again, another person using multiple alias names; as if people can’t dot the A’s and the B’s.!

2. I thought you said you were an American. If you are, why are you spending so much time on Iranian.com and taking so much interest on what is happening in Iran?

3. If you are an American shouldn't you be more worried about what this President and his Administration have done in destroying all that America once stood for; violating the U.S. Constitution and the rights of American citizens; and waging illegal wars using American tax payer’s money? Shouldn’t you be more worried that the economy of this country is nearing a recession, if not already in a recession? Shouldn’t you be asking for the impeachment of Bush and Cheney for all that they have done under our name like most other true Americans who actually care about this country?

Or no, you only care about the human rights and the welfare of the Iranian people and are far more concerned with what is going on in Iran than the U.S. Give me a BREAK!

4. And if you are an Iranian why are you so ashamed of using an Iranian name, and hiding behind a Western pseudo name? The minimum you could do is use some anonymous name for God’s sake.

5. To quote Robin Wright - is not impressive. I don't pick my news from just reading the Washington Post; I read alot more articles; the general news media; article by different writers and scholars from all sides of the spectrum; books; and yes, check out the internet constantly and then formulate an opinion. By the way this is not to impress you or anyone else; so don’t bother giving another ridiculous comment!

6. Cut and paste - No, read and understand, yes!!. No, I am not a scientist, but I sure do read and I do check for sources in order to educate myself. Furthermore, you don’t need to be a scientist to understand these issues.

You sound like Pres. Bush who says Iranians don’t have the right to gain knowledge about nuclear weapons, not realizing that the blue print of making a bomb is on the internet.

You may not understand what the sentence above means, so let me explain clearly before you come up with another silly comment:

Mr. Scientist, the internet is one of the best sources of obtaining information and gaining knowledge about all topics. This is the global age of communication where anything and everything you need is found on the internet. Knowledge about various subjects is no longer a monopoly but widely available for anyone who has an interest in gaining it.

7. Furthermore, even if you are a scientist (that is a big IF!) you should know that by merely being a scientist does not make one knowledgeable about all scientific subjects: are you also an expert on aerodynamics, and nuclear physics, and nuclear energy, and biotechnology – a true scientist would laugh at such a remark!!

8. Furthermore, you seem to have a short term memory as you were the one who asked the question about what I meant from my comment.

Now, if I took your intention as being serious and took the time in writing about the subject, not just for your eyes but for others who may also be interested on this subject, this did not deserve your cynical remarks.

Writing about subjects and digging out facts is how people learn from one another. Furthermore, it enables others who don’t have the time to do the exercise to take advantage of the information that others provide. This is how we work as a team in sharing information – this is called team work and is considered positive and not negative.

And as some have already commented, it seems that your only attempt is to make one go through the mental exercise of responding to your questions in order to provide you with further ammunition in attacking the individual.

Next time that you or others like you ask questions, I personally will not respond since now I know that your intentions are - not genuine!!

Individuals like you are doing a total disservice for other people on this site.

Anonym7 and Xerxes have figured you guys out pretty well. Cudos to them - I will start following in their footsteps!!

9. Regardless on the matter of terrorism - the response to GLOBAL TERRORISM of the worst kind as I indicated is conducted by those countries which I have already mentioned.

10. ON TERRORISM: (a) You either have no real understanding of the history of this subject; (b) don’t understand the meaning: (c) are trying to use fear tactic to prevent readers from understanding the reality of the core roots of terrorism - and (d) using the same tactics used by the neocons and Zionists to ensure that the people create a fear and hatred toward the Muslim world.

11. This is for others and not you:

With respect to Muslim terrorism we have to look at the roots of this, which are more political than anything else.

What is referred to as Islamic terrorism is truly reaction to the terrorism imposed upon the Islamic world. From the destruction of the Ottoman and division of the land as the West desired, and the great robbery of the century followed by genocide and terrorism against the Palestinians, stealing of the wealth -- mostly in oil and gas -- of the Muslims, undue interference in the affairs of Muslim countries, the coup d'etat and assassinations, and much more.

There have been more terrorism by the Zionists in Gaza strip -- aided, abetted, and supported by the West -- than all acts of terrorism by the Muslims during the last one hundred years. Muslim did not start it, the West did.

France in Algeria, England in Africa and everywhere else, Italy in Libya, ....

The West out of its arrogance and ignorance pins terrorism on Islam as opposed to looking at their own action.

If a Muslim preacher ever states that the Israel must be bombed, both he and his country will be blown out of existence (Chief Rabbi thanks Bush for 'war against Iraq':
//www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1198517...)

If a Christian terrorist says that a Muslim country must be attacked -- even by nuclear weapons -- the president of US sends him greetings.

What you see as Islamic terrorism -- almost exclusively by those trained by the West -- is the reaction to the atrocities perpetrated against the Muslims by the West and Zionists

Go figure why Gaza is in darkness and there is no power, with only one power generator. Why only children in intensive care units have access to medical equipment which can save their life!! There is a human crisis going on! Famine in Gaza! Go figure who is causing this?

All is needed is to be interested in finding out what is taking place in front of us. And yes, this is on the internet, and on major news!!!

Death and Darkness In Gaza, People Are dying, Help Us!

//www.countercurrents.org/freegaza210108.htm

Christ was the messenger of Peace. Why then, those who consider themselves ultra-Christians are promoting hatred and war?
The Golden rule:
"Those who have the gold, make the rule"

correction: I know you don't care (to: joe)

Joe B., sadly I have to correct myself....
US debt is about $1.6 trillion, I wish it were $1.6 Billion.

I know you don't care (to: Joe)

Joe B. says: "Just because you are a failure in life, does not mean you have to hate those of us who prosper.... I really don't care who in the world hates America"

Yes you guys (necon Bushies) may have brought prosperity for some (Blackwater mercenaries, Bushes cronies, ..) but not for the majority of hard working Americans. For the majority you have brought some $1.6 billion debt, injured/killed solders, a war that is in damage control phase at best ....
Not so dear Joe, I know you disasters "don't really care who in the world hates America" and who suffers economically in the US ... But I care because my wife and kid are as American as macaroni and cheese and I work for/with many hard working Americans and they deserve much better .....

Thank you Xerxes for your

Thank you Xerxes for your response, although you did not answer why the case of Iran and any other Asian country is so different, despite the fact that Iran was poised to be the next Taiwan in 1979, with manufacturing plants for tractors, helicopters and parts for F-16. The age of consumer electronics was about to come to full bloom and Iran could have been a part of that explosion.

“If one says that I think reform is the best path, they label him/her an IRI agent.”

Is it not strange how it works both ways? At the risk of being labeled a neo-con, and a stooge of the West, and a traitor I will respond to your questions, so please read on!

IRI is not reformable! A reformed IRI is an oxymoron, because the small percentage of the khodies who control everything and everyone have plundered the wealth of the nation to the advantage of their personal gains with enormous mansions and personal stakes in everything from real estate to industry, and for the advancement of their ideology, internationally, to the determent of the Iranian society. They have murdered and mutilated (chopped off limbs and gauged out eyes) and tortured thousands, and have isolated Iran in the world community. They have alienated religious minorities and women, and have made living conditions unbearable and undignified for the naa-khodies. Reform would mean that they leave themselves at the mercy of a reformed judicial and governing body which could bring them to justice. They will never write their own death sentences by allowing anything remotely resembling reform to take place. They have proven their intolerance, and ruthlessness towards women, journalists, students, or intellectuals discussing reform. If you can convince me otherwise, I’ll join that reformist movement.

Revolution is not an option because the ruthless nature of the regime, just discussed, will not permit any such movement to take roots and they have systematically eliminated the remotest possibility for any such movement. The IRI and in particular Yazdi, have called the 1979 Iranian revolution a “bloodless revolution” and that was primarily to the weak and vacillating nature of the Shah, who left the country every time there was a crisis. Still that did not stop Khomeini from making claims that 600,000 had been killed on the streets of Iran. I have no doubt, that if somehow by magic, Iranians could telepathically communicate and muster up courage to stand up to this regime and revolt against it, that this regime would not hesitate to eliminate 600,000 to guarantee its own survival. If you can convince me otherwise, I’ll join that revolutionary movement.

Sanctions will only make matters worse for the Iranian population, who have suffered tremendously in the past 30 years. Those in charge will not be hurt, since they have absolute control of everything and can divert the diminishing resources, as a result of such sanctions, to the Khodies to guarantee their own survival, again at the cost of the suffering of Iranians.

The IRI has been provoking the West, and in particular the U.S., in an attempt to portray themselves as the victim of this international bully to rally people behind it, much like, they think, in the war with Iraq. What they fail to realize and recognize are the differences. The IRI at the time had yet to exercise it ruthlessness on the rest of the Iranian population and had, thus far, been purging the ex Shahis, whom people, for the most part, did not sympathize with. Iraq, as an enemy was at least as ruthless as the IRI and Saddam’s intentions were clear; to annex Iran, or worst case take it over wholly. Besides, many wised up and questioned the wisdom of fighting for the IRI, which had prolonged the war to crackdown on dissent and opposition in the name of security. In a confrontation with the West, the action will be retaliatory against the IRI and Iran’s integrity will not be in question. The people of Iran will never again lend a hand to the IRI to stay in power to subjugate them, like they have for the past 30 years.

The only way I see out of this quagmire for Iran, is the kind of action that liberated Europe and South East Asia, although this time, I don’t believe land invasion is possible or is even contemplated. This regime has to be forced to lose its grip and be stripped off of the fear it has managed to instill in people, for them to rise up and revolt against this tyranny. If you have a better solution I'll adapt it, in no time.

There can be no comparison between any such action and the situation in Iraq, which is mostly brought about by the Iraqis themselves, upon themselves, by factionalism, which seems to be subsiding now that they have decided to build, and not to destroy, their country, after some 5 years. Iran is ripe and ready for a democracy, and the only argument against a sudden change in regimes is that the IRI has systematically eliminated all organized opposition and in the vacuum created after the collapse of the IRI, the only organized opposition namely the MKO, is poised to take over, and if that ever comes to fruition, it would put us into a similar hole as the one we are in, right now. But I want to believe that, after some 30 years, Iranians have learnt to be different politically but think together as a nation, so that if and when that day comes when the IRI does collapse, the people will put aside their differences and have the ability to put together a coalition government to see them through the turbulent times, that will follow.

Re: Anonymous4now

Excellent analysis of our recent history and exposure of the leftists propoganda. I recommend everyone to read your post twice. I agree with you Anonymous4now, the leftists in Iran has damaged our country far more than any other entity, domestic or foreign, with their false propoganda.

Today they are continuing in the same path, with an unholy alliance with the mullahs further causing damage to our country. However, contrary to the past, today both the masses and the intellectuals of Iran know better.

The left shot itself in the foot before and during the revolution. However today, it is shooting itself in the head. Their alliance with the IRI is thankfully the nail in their coffin.