Separation of mosque & citizens

Dutch Committee of Ex-Muslims


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Separation of mosque & citizens
by Tina Ehrami
11-Sep-2007
 

Today, September 11th 2007, the Committee of Ex-Muslims is officially founded in The Netherlands. Ehsan Jami (22), a young Iranian member of the city council from Leidschendam, wants to raise awareness about apostasy in Islam. He is worried about the human rights of those who are born into the religion of Islam, but who no longer wish to believe. In Islam apostasy is not accepted and is punished with the death sentence.

In The Netherlands where the number of Muslims is growing more than any other religion, there are growing numbers of honor killings and violence in cases when Muslims chose to turn their backs to the Islam. According to a recent poll, 30% of Muslims living in The Netherlands are willing to have the Sharia implemented as the legal system. This worrisome fact has raised some discussions about the dangers within this religion and the behavior of Muslims.

It was only 5 years ago when Theo van Gogh, a Islam- bashing satirist was stabbed to death by a Muslim extremist with a note attached to the knife saying that this killing was done to punish him for insulting the Islam and the prophet. Because of this and the existence of an underground Muslim extremist terrorist organization in The Netherlands, called the Hofstad Groep, the Dutch are becoming worried about Islam extremism. Recently, a government budget of 20 million was spent on educating teachers so that they could detect signs of extremism among their pupils.

The founding of the Committee of Ex-Muslims has raised some eyebrows with the multi-culturist and socialist parties in the Netherlands who wish to act more prudently with the Islam-issue than the method chosen by young Jami. The Netherlands on the other hand is not the first country in which such a committee has been founded. In other European countries, such as Germany, France and Sweden, such committees have been created and are working as a societal movement to institutionalize freedom of religion, especially within Islam.

The Committee of Ex-Muslims wish to institutionalize freedom of religion within the Islamic population of The Netherlands, by starting a dialogue with imams in mosques and by asking politicians to support this movement. By raising awareness about the current situation of Islamic apostates in The Netherlands, this committee hopes to improve the human rights position of apostates and to increase the value of freedom of thought and religion.


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khashmgin1

RE:bacheh-telaviv

by khashmgin1 on

No I said when you were with Almord, you gotso anxious "daspaacheh shodi", that instead of you shoving her, she shoved her entire boobs, nipples and all, up yours!

 

Almord, I am proud of you!


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to: Khashmgin

by bacheh_tal_avivi (not verified) on

Are you saying I actually sucked on your mom's nipples? Wov. That si NICE.


khashmgin1

Almord....

by khashmgin1 on

Dont talk about OUR mom like this.... I have already told people you are my rebel sister... :)


almo5000

People are Khashmgin at Khashmigin!

by almo5000 on

I sort of agree with bashing Khashmgin. He does not use logic in his arguments. When  he does not like certain opinions, or writings, he immediately attributes it to the writer being paid by IRI government, and most times he propagates falsehod and made up news. He expresses too much anti-islamic, pro-israeli opinions. He is said to be an Israeli disgised as Iranian. May be  it is time that he gets taste of his own medicine! I don't know what it is about his mom that everyone writes about? Does anyone know who she is, or why presumably "men" on iranian.com are interested in her?


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RE: Anonymous3423234234 and bache_ghom

by Anonymous1 (not verified) on

A previous reader asked where were these guys raised? Well duh! The answer is in the ID (at least for one of them). The id is "bache_ghom". What did you expect? And why are you so frustrated about they writing fosh in the border line of sex material? Do yo really think that anyone who visits this site is an educated person? There are some weeds and trash too, you know. To Khashmgin: you don't need to answer to them. They are answered by themselves by what they wrote. It goes a looooong way telling us who they are...


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Re: Anonymous9000... What a class...

by Anonymous1 (not verified) on

Is this all you can say in response to someone? Talking only about "koon" and people's mothers and other sexual fantasies?

What are you trying to show? Your parents' education? And how they educated you?

Anonymous9000, if you were molested when you were young or you have other sexual frustrations, please don't take it up and vent it here at Iranian.com. For crying outloud this is not a sex site.

But again, what more could be expected from you?


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to: Khashmgin1

by Anonymous9000 (not verified) on

Bacheh Boro kooneto bedeh. You still need to suck on you rmomy's nipples. They are really good! Yam, Yam. If you don't want them, I do.


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The Common Enemy

by Kamangir on

I admire very much all members of the ex-muslim group. Both for having been brave enough to choose the name they have chosen and also for being so well organized.

The nationalists, federalists, monarchists and repuplicans as well as the dear Iranian Armenian community, jewish, bahai, zoroastrian and all others have a common enemy which is the Islamo-Fascists in Iran. Nobody has an excuse now, it's been 30 years, we have seen it, experienced it. Lets get toghether, take action, on my part I have decided I don't have to be understanding of average Iranian muslims who still deep inside are sympathetic with the Islamo-Fascists, because of their religious compatibility. We can build a new Iran, our Iran.

Regards


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The Common Enemy

by Kamangir on

I admire very much all members of the ex-muslim group. Both for having been brave enough to choose the name they have chosen and also for being so well organized.

The nationalists, federalists, monarchists and repuplicans as well as the dear Iranian Armenian community, jewish, bahai, zoroastrian and all others have a common enemy which is the Islamo-Fascists in Iran. Nobody has an excuse now, it's been 30 years, we have seen it, experienced it. Lets get toghether, take action, on my part I have decided I don't have to be understanding of average Iranian muslims who still deep inside are sympathetic with the Islamo-Fascists, because of their religious compatibility. We can build a new Iran, our Iran.

Regards


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Re: Hamvatan... Dont' give up... Be creative...

by Anonymous1 (not verified) on

Be more creative hamvatan, Iran CAN be fixed when the current regime is overthrown. Let's be creative, shal we? All the new regime has to do is to take a piece of land, say the "kavire loot" (the loot desert), make it a sub-country and call it Arablovestan, and throw all these arab and islam loving trash in there. Build a fence around arablovestan to keep its population out of Iran, and bingo! Overnight, Iran's problem is fixed!


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Gentlemen (Aghayan) Islam is

by hamvatan (not verified) on

Gentlemen (Aghayan)

Islam is not a religion...it is a cult..spread by the sword...institutionalized by wahabi culture.

HAVING SAID THAT...I am a young iranian, who has lived in the states since the age of 10. My parents and I have discussions over whether Iran will ever again be a civilized nation. They insist that it will once the regime is overthrown...I disagree (call me a pessimist) because I believe for every Ms. Ehrami there are one thousand backward iranians such as the ones that are on this site defending arabs and islam. I have no hope for a better Iran, because unfortunately this religion and the arab culture has infested our country for too long.

sadly yours

hamvatan


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Islam is backrupt. Is Quran God's words!!!!!

by Not Stupid (not verified) on

Quran is God's words!!!!!

God must have been on crack or most likely on LSD.
Read it in Farsi or English, then you will notice smokes steaming not only from your ears but from every hole in your body. Then, a voice says,wtf!

I AM NOT STUPID. This book no wonder is referred to as satanic verses. Not that I believe on Satan, it just is full of hate, restrictions, fear, punishments, killings, maiming, discriminations, gender inequalities, unfair practices, miseries, contradictions, no law land, etc.

The worse thing about this frightening book is that its offer is “As Is”. Mankind has written billions of books that are well written and easy to follow. We have books for “Dummies”. "God" could not write a straight forward book! What a screwed up "God" we have to offer us his Quran! If Quran is God’s words, then God is screwing with us. God must have been on crack or most likely on LSD.


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Jamshid: You're so right in

by 1800 (not verified) on

Jamshid: You're so right in observing how violent the Islamists are. I believe if they were physically present, they would shoot us or kill us. It's allah's way; terror and violence.


jamshid

Re: Khanum Hana

by jamshid on

It is very common for Islamists to revert to fosh when they are utterly defeated in an intellectual argument. If physically present, they may even revert to violence.

 

So they start the fosh and others pick it up and it goes on and on. And in this way they cleverly turn the attention away from the fact that they had soundly lost the arguement. They do this a lot.

 

The reaction should be to ignore the fosh and to stick to the arguement, which is what I am about to do...

 

It is proven by presenting evidence from Islamist's own sources that:

1. Mohamad married a nine years old girl.

2. Allah approves enslaving women as war prize.

3. Therefore, we got a couple of big problem with Islam.

 

I am yet to read any Islamist explain these two issues. Some of my guesses:

1. They revert to fosh, which does not work here.

2. They will keep denying the existence of these two issues, which won't work either since the presented evidence is from their own sources.

3. They will keep bringing up unaccptable excuses such as "it was customary in those times to do X or Y".

4. They will freely reinterpret the writings of their own sources to make it appear that it meant something else.

 

But they will never accept that their ideology is a bankrupt one.


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Ah this is where it all goes

by Khanum Hana 77 (not verified) on

Ah this is where it all goes down the drain. khashmgin and jamshid it was a fantastic conversation. For the biadab and bi kars out there who ruined the thread...ishalla jahanam ba hazrate mohammad mishinin be ham tohin mikonid.
bye


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I like to stick long and large objects...

by Roto-Rooter (not verified) on

into bacheh mullahs ass (sorakh koon) and then take them out and stick them into mullahs daughters koss...


khashmgin1

Re: bache ghom

by khashmgin1 on

cheghadr adam bayad badbakht basheh ke id "bache_ghom" entekhab kardehe basheh.

 

Anyway, as far as "bache kooni", you 'bache_ghom" must have certain oghdeh about koonigari. Why don't we all listen to this video and learn why "bache_ghom" has become a "koon" oghdei:

//video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4243208175636800600&q=rafsanjani&total=239&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

 

Just click and learn what Rafsanjani has to say about bache_ghom and all other "bachek kooni" in ghom.


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Jamshid, 1800, Khashmgin and the rest of Gang

by bache_ghom (not verified) on

These Israeli gang members are bache kooni. What are they doing here disscussing Islam with all their perverted views?

Bache Ghom (mizareh bekoone Bache Gang)


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Tina Khanoom: Showhar Meykhay

by donbale_tine_khanoom (not verified) on

I am ready for you.


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Khanumhana77: Islam is

by Nay (not verified) on

Khanumhana77: Islam is practically identical to the old testemanet and all the Jewish laws down to "Stoning". Yes, stoning is a Jewish law, which has not been used for many centuries. Koran is basically a forgery; not that Christianity or judaism are any better but at least they have gone through "Reformation" and "Englightenment".

Islam is also one of the most racist and supremacist religions in the world. If you consider Islamic Ummah as one race and the Infidels (who are all non-muslims)that need to be exterminated...It's Dar-Al harb (region where Islam doesn't dominate) vs. Dar-Al-Islam. That is what I call covert racism.

More on Dar-Al-Harb vs. Dar-Al-Islam:
//atheism.about.com/od/islamicextremism/a/dar...


jamshid

Re: Islam and women slaves....

by jamshid on

Excellent references Khashmgin. Here is another. This one directly from Koran. It shows what a brutal barbaric religion EVEN IN THOSE TIMES Islam really was and still is.

 

      ایه 50   سوره الاحزاب

اى پيامبر! ما همسران تو را كه مهرشان را پرداخته‏اى براى تو حلال كرديم، و همچنين كنيزانى كه از طريق غنايمى كه خدا به تو بخشيده است مالك شده‏اى و دختران عموى تو، و دختران دايى تو، و دختران خاله‏ها كه با تو مهاجرت كردند 

 

If you can't read in Farsi letters, it says: ey peyghambar! ma hamsarAne to rA ke mehreshAn rA pardAkhtei be to halAl kardim. va hamchenin kanizAni ke az tarighe ghanAemi ke khodA be to bakhshideh ast va mAlek shodei va dokhtarAne amooye to va dokhtarAne dayi va .....

 

kaniz (=woman slave). It is a well known historic fact that moslem conquerors once victorious in a battle against the infidels (koffar), they would drag the women (even married ones) out of their homes and take them as a war prize. You can see that this fact is supported by an ayeh from Koran.

 

But I know what you Islamists are going to say. You will say that I fabricated the above "ayeh". So here is an Iranian-Islamic link from which I copied the text, to prove it is authentic:

//www.aviny.com/Quran/Farsi/chapters/QP033.aspx

 

These are the words of Allah. He is allowing his victorious followers to "enslave" and "possess" women from the tribes that lost the war against moslems. I am not surprised that such "god" would not mind his 52 years old prophet having sex with a nine years old gril. I am not surprised at all. Are you?

 

There are many many more ayeh from Koran like this one. If interested I will provide more of them. The problem with most Iranians is that we don't read the Koran to realize what a barbaric religion it is.


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The basis for the 3

by khanumhana77 (not verified) on

The basis for the 3 monotheistic religions that have the same root is pretty much the absence of freedom. Adam and Ever are kicked out of heaven for thinking on their own and making a decision on their own and defying authority, and tasting the fruit. I think that's how the story goes. Isn't there a snake that tells them to be individuals and make a decision?

Now, if you take away freedom of thought and freedom of natural human needs, you better promise 72 virgins on the other side!!!!

I've read the old and the new testament but not the Ghoran, yet. They too are filled with the kind of sexual imagery you have mentioned. Song of Songs and some of Psalms.


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Khashmgin jan: Not only

by 1800 (not verified) on

Khashmgin jan: Not only that, what kind of Allah's or religion's heaven will be a brothel filled with big breasted virgins (72 of them) to satisfy the sexual need of martyrs in a continuous orgy, which is forbidden on earth...what kind of spirituality is this? Taking earthly pleasures to heaven? This religion is filled with lust and sexuality; from polygamy,pedophilia, temporary marriages (sigheh), to heavenly sexual objects of desire up in the sky in after life...how tragic that some idiots buy the stuff without using their god given gift of reasoning.


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mohamad sex offender 2

by Khanum Hana 7 (not verified) on

Khashmgin I just just read parts of link 4. What amazes me is that people with logic and average or above average IQ just can't bring themselves to admit something is wrong. The most illogical excuse, mentioned below, is about the norms of society 1400 years ago.

Either we consider something wrong or we dont.
wrong: we shouldn't follow nor should we justify.
right: accept and defend it. don't be shocked if people living by today's norms find your actions dispicable.

I don't think anyone here is out to defend islam. But those who are using racism bla bla as an excuse not to admit the truth and not to judge the truth are cowards.


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mohammad the sex offender

by Khanum Hana 77 (not verified) on

Khashmgin...thanks, I needed to puke this morning. I can't believe there are people who find this stuff holy. Thanks for the info, I for one care about my history so I will look up your sources. Tashakor...

Before anyone says anything about time and space. Nothing justifies this. Before you open your mouth or start typing anything...think. You are reading this today in 2007 and judging it today and praying to it (oh god I will puke again) TODAY! If something (marrying a 6 year old) is unacceptable by today's norms of society, then it cannot be relevant. Today, we would want to tear this ahole to pieces.

For those of you who will rant about hatred toward islam: Yes! people are going to swear and be mad at this stuff. It has nothing to do with racism. We are so full of hatred for centuries of oppression. WE ARE MAD! Look at what western countries did to us for a few decades and our rage to them...now imagine oppression for centuries and it's still going on! You expect us to be civil and mohtaram???

I have nothing again anyone and freedom of religion is very important. But Islam PEDAREMUNO dar avaorde. One day..shaaaaaaaaaaaayad ke ayande


khashmgin1

Proof that Mohamad was a child molestor....

by khashmgin1 on

You want evidence that mohamad married a nine years old? I'll give it to you, and I'll give it to you from pro-Islam sources. Just click on the links:

 

1. Sahih Bukhari was a moslem scholar from the 9th century. He is one of the most well known and respected moslem scholars among moslems. Here are extracts about Aisha from his most famous book:

5:58:234   5:58:236  7:62:64   7:62:657:62:88

 

2. طبری   Yes OUR own Tabari! The Persian moslem scholar and historian of the 9th century. Sorry no links, but go buy his book. They sell his book even on Amazon. I have included the Volume and the page numbers where he refers to Aisha being nine years old when married to Mohamad:

Taarikhe Tabari, Volume 9, Page 131

Taarikhe Tabari, Volume 7, Page 7 

 

3. Khomeini frequently used Tabari's work in his own books. Here is one example in which Khomeini references Tabari with high regards:

//www.irib.ir/worldservice/imam/speech/21.htm

 

4. Ayatollah Montazeri (yes, our own Montazeri!) defending and justifying Mohamad marrying a nine years old girl:

//old-islam.blogspot.com/2005/04/6.html

 

Let me know if want more proof.

 

 


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Divaar

by NB (not verified) on

Har kasi shakhseeyate khodesh ra inja neshoon mideh! Maa agar nemidoonim ki hasti matrah nist, khodet keh midooni. You have a lifetime ahead of you to live with yourself... (why bother explaining things to you)... I imagine this is like talking to a Divaar, but a divaar-e kharab!


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Mohamad

by anonymouse (not verified) on

Mohamad should have been tried for genocide, rape, theft and preaching evil on earth. He was a "mofsede fel arz" (corrupt man on earth). The sentence should have been hanging. Although beheading was his choice when he delivered sentence against his own enemies.

I feel bad that Iran is a moslem country, but that is changing. Just look at all the comments against Islam in this site alone. But guys, anti-Islam sentiments is even worst in Iran. The only thing is that, unlike in USA, they can't express their feelings about Islam in Iran.

be omide rooze bar chideh shodane eslame kassif az Irane aziz.


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Mohammad died from syphilis.

by Not Stupid (not verified) on

Mohammad died from syphilis. Many stupid Iranians still fall for this piece of crap while they forget their real heroes. No wonder Iran is in state of shit and hell.


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THE CUN ARTIST, MOHAMMAD THE ARAB RELIGION PROFIT

by XXX (not verified) on

ACTUALLY, MOHAMMAD THE SO CALLED PROFIT OF THIS ARAB RELIGION, WAS JUST A SHROUD, BASTARD BUSINESS MAN AND CUN ARTIST.

WHEN HE WAS YOUNG AND WORKING AS A SHEPPARD, HE SEDUCE KHADIGEH, THE RICH WIDOW WITH LOT'S OF MONEY AND CAMELS AT THE TIME.

MOHAMMAD MARRIED HER FOR THE MONEY AND SHE GOT INTO IT FOR SEX.

SO AFTER MOHAMMAD TOOK OVER KHADIGEH'S MONEY AND WEALTH, IT WAS THEN, WHEN HE STARTED TO SCREW AROUND WITH YOUNG CHICKS. HIS LAST WIFE WAS JUST 16 YEARS OLD...

AND THE STORY GOES ON...


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