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13-Dec-2007
Twenty-one year old Ali Mahin Torabi's case has received extensive attention inside and outside Iran. According to Amnesty International he has been convicted of a murder committed when he was 16 years old and is now at risk of imminent execution in Tehran, though Iran is a state party to international treaties including the Convention on the Rights of the Child (CRC), which expressly prohibit the execution of child offenders.
Walls, only walls. I am surrounded by walls. I cannot forget any of the terrifying moments of these last few days. I don't want to think about how time is running out. Only a few more days...
From the first day of my arrest, five years ago, until now, the sky is all I can see. During all these unbearable moments, I can only stare at the endless fences of my prison. I can only see its towers and its barbed-wires which pierce my heart. Do you hear the bleeding of my wounded heart?
I am sick. I am cold. The essence of my youth has been shattered. Every moment of my tedious life is filled with rancor. I am tired. These repetitious days pull my existence apart. It's to live or to die -- it's†the only thing I can think of. The only thing that slowly destroys whatever is left of me.
Every time I remember the pain that I am putting my parents through, I just want to die. I have already written my will. I have accepted my destiny. But I am going to pray, before they put the noose around my neck. I am going to put my hand on the Koran and I will pledge that I haven't killed Mazdak, my classmate and my friend. It is true that I had a knife in my hand, but I didn't kill him.
The weakness of my defense and the lack of a complete examination of the evidence have brought me here, into †this hopeless situation. I have heard that Mazdak's mother has forgiven me, but I don't know why his father doesn't want me to live. I am trapped between life and death. During all these years the weight of the sin I haven't committed has been on my shoulders. I am tired. All days are all the same. I look at the sky and pray.
Yesterday, someone showed me a copy of the Iran newspaper. It seems that now people are praying with me. I read every line and every word†expressing the compassion of these ordinary people, and I cried. I felt relieved, as if I could see an approaching sunrise.
Yes, my instincts tell me that at the end of this black night, a warm sun is going to shine in the sky. At the other side of my prison's high fences there is a mountain and the mountain watches over me. No, even closer! God has enveloped my heart. God is calling my name. I call him to prove my faith to him. To show him that I still do exist, as long as he is with me. I still believe that God, from behind the bars of my cell, is observing my frozen hands. I am not leaving. I can hear him. I still believe that my sole share of life shouldn't be living this way; living in a cage. I still believe that God is hearing my prayers. I truly believe it.
It is fall and I have almost forgotten how the trees look now. I miss the free world. I miss the fall and every moment of my life is full of passion. But there is no more time left. I have to go. And I don't want to. Even my cellmates pity me and pray for me. The nightmare of death doesn't leave me alone, but for the past few days I just try to hide my agony. If on my day of execution, Mazdak's father forgives me, I promise I will be like a son to him
My mother brought me a book of Hafez. "My Ali will survive," she said. Now I dream of her and what she said every night.
I miss the smell of my home, the smell of my notepads and my books. If you found my computer notepad, please write on it: "I wished I could have become an engineer." But I didn't. Today I opened my book of Hafez and made a wish. It said: "I have vowed if one day my sorrow and unhappiness ends, I will sing and I will dance forever".
If I am forgiven, each cell of my body will celebrate the gift of life. But for now, destiny and the will of Mazdak's father and mother still own my youth.
Translated by Azarin A. Sadegh
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Have you
by Azita (not verified) on Thu Dec 20, 2007 09:31 AM PSTthought about making a documentary about childern and women executions in Iran. I think this would be great idea to widely spread the barbaric act of iranian government.
P.S. My boyfriend is an american producer and can help you and give you directions how to go about all this.
To Mr. M (for Moderation)
by Rosie T. on Thu Dec 20, 2007 08:33 AM PSTPlease see my posts under Jahanshah Rashidian's recent article on "Justice" in answer to questions regarding the moderation process, and also JJ's replies under "Brilliant", the photo on top of the home page for the Iranian of the Day physicist.
The post I flagged for deletion on this thread we're on now called Azarin a "freak." It is gone, as it should be. The posts I flagged on Rashidian's blog contained similar abusive language. You can see for yourself what remains there. The discussion is not exactly a Boy Scout Meeting. Rest assured the deleted posts contained EXTREMELY offensive language, basically hate speech. directed toward specific individuals.
Best regards,
Robin Jayne Goldsmith
To All of YOU
by Mr.M (not verified) on Thu Dec 20, 2007 08:15 AM PSTJust curious as to why the post are getting deleted here and who is contolling it. I thought the reason for these blog is the right of idividuals for freedom of their opinion. To Zeba/Life I agree that he is not innocnet but don't believe in capital punishment either. Good luck to you all.
To Zeba/Life
by Rosie T. on Wed Dec 19, 2007 06:35 PM PSTPrison in life without parole is not the death penalty. Also please stop directing comments to me regarding Ali's guilt or innocence. I already told you my positon on that.
I'm a lot of things but I'm not a fake. You also called me a "bitch" before which I didn't flag, butI flagged your recent comment for deletion (one only) because you called Azarin a "freak." Did you mean "fake"? You wrote "freak." It was very offensive.
You don't even recognize violence in your own language when it is clear as a bell. And yet you want to be an arbiter of justice....Go figure...
to LIFE (or Zeba):
by Azarin Sadegh on Wed Dec 19, 2007 05:32 PM PSTLIFE (or Zeba),
Two hours ago, I saw a similar post from Zeba that got deleted. So I assume Zeba and you are the same person (both of you made the same mistake writing my name, as Azarian!)
But in that post, you were telling you were so happy Ali is going to die. I see that in the last two hours you have already changed Ali's verdict from the death penalthy to the life without parole!
It seems that somehow you believe you own the whole truth and you even know why Mazdak was killed. Actually as much as I know, Mazdak was Muslim, because his father is a respected Darvish. So your accusation about Ali doesn’t fit.
The "whole truth" that you own has some misinformation in it... But you know what? You are free to think whatever you want to and Rosi and I, we are free to write whatever we feel we have to write...We are all so lucky to live in a free world, but Ali is not.
Besides, what you think about me and Rosie is irrelevant to Ali's execution. As long as we manage to bring attention to Ali’s case, it doesn't matter if we appear totally “fake” or like complete “freaks” or any other label you like to give us. The only thing that really matters now, is the truth and it is all we are asking for, on Ali's behalf; innocent or not.
Peace,
Azarin
TO AZARIAN AND ROSIE
by LIFE (not verified) on Wed Dec 19, 2007 03:36 PM PSTYou two are so fake...He killed Mazdak because Mazdak was not muslim. Stop trying to hide all these facts. I wrote two other reaponses but it got eliminated... Azarian for your info I have supported and donated money for few cases...Murder is murder and it was premediated by accepting the knife. So get a life and stop putting the title of Innocent. He is guilty and deserves to be in prison for life without parole.
Thanks Azarin
by Rosie T. on Tue Dec 18, 2007 09:22 PM PSTfor the update. I didn't contact you at first because I was just in shock, and then I had a feeling it might not be so, but I didn't want to give you false hope. So I just waited.I'm glad it's not as bad as it sounded there for a while but I agree, being in the hands of the IRI justice system is frightening (being in the hands of ANY justice system is frightening, but that one...) and one feels very helpless. You need to support the family, as you know, and in order to do that you need to keep doing the things you love to do, like your writing, to keep yourself sane. Feel free to contact me publcly or privately any time you need to. I am here for you.
As for Zeba, I wax optimistic. I never assume a person won't hear me, if not now, maybe later, because Truth is Truth. And people have to wake up one by one, on their own time. That's why I spend so much time answering sometimes very short comments, often rude ones. I also feel that even if I fail to influence that person, someone else may read it and be influenced and it's worth it to me to try. Also every time I write it helps me to refine my own thoughts and then I express them better later. So nothing's ever wasted.
Which brings up another issue which is what will my commitment to SCE be now. Because I really do feel that my writing to individuals to try to change hearts and minds about assumptions they hold which I feel perpetuate the death culture we live is my call. And I do see it as my peace activism. And it's time-consuming,...so...I have to think about it. .
Keep the faith,
Robin
To Rosie and Zeba: About the land of one-eyed mad men
by Azarin Sadegh on Tue Dec 18, 2007 08:53 PM PSTDear Rosie,
Voila the latest news: Yesterday I was contacted by my friend and she was very worried that it could be a ruse after all Ali went through.
But then I contacted SCE, and they contacted Mr. Mostafai. Fortunately he hadn't heard of this possibility and he also said that normally if they decide to execute Ali, still they should let his lawyer know about it at least 48 hours in advance. So, I assume that Ali's file is still being reviewed and his appeal isn't denied yet.
But what worries me is that from now on, there isn't much we can do. I think we did our best to inform the public opinion about Ali, but from now on it is the Iranian justice system's turn to prove itself to its own people.
So let's hope together and let's forget about those who refuse to join us (like Zeba).
There is nothing new about her point of view. I am sure that she is voicing the majority of people in the history.
"An eye for an eye" has always been the definition of an unfair "Justice" inherited to us from the past. And those who still believe in it --living in the obscurity of their raw blindness--, would never be able to see the world the way we hope --one day -- to see it. A world brightened up through the light of empathy and forgiveness of the mankind.
Cheers,
Azarin
Zeba - CAPITAL PUNISHMENT
by Rosie T. on Tue Dec 18, 2007 07:11 PM PSTI never said Ali was innocent. Other people did. I didn't. I said there are four groups of people against this execution: those who are against capital punishment in general, those against execution of minors in particular, those who are appalled by violations of international law, and those who believe Ali is innocent (or not guilty of murder but manslaughter). I also said there is overlap among the groups. My particular interest in the case stems from the first and third reasons more than the other two. That's just me. There are serious questions about Ali's guilt but you're quite right, I wasn't there. BUT NEITHER WERE YOU.
Anyway, to repeat, Quranic return to "an eye for an eye" was a huge historical and spiritual regression even in the 7th century. Not to mention Iran (or the US) in the 21st And you find Islamic law to be "barbarian". But you're happy about an execution. And I think you NEED a history lesson to understand fully that your views on this are paradoxical. "Eye for eye" is BABYLONIAN. What could be more "barbarian" than that.
Capital punishment never brought anyone back to life, and it has been over and over again proven NOT to be a deterrent to crime. It has not infrequently executed innocent people. It discriminates against the poor and minorities. It says that killing is wrong, yet advocates killing as an antidote to this wrong. This is logically unsound, ethically hypocritical, and continues the cycle of violence in society that we have been prisoners of for our entire human evolution. And I hate it. I hate it the same way I hate war and I hate torture. Maybe that's why I sound like such a "bitch" to you. Because I truly hate it.
With no exceptions. None. I hated it for Saddam Hussein. So you can just imagine how much I hate it in the case of these mostly poor minors represented by SCE.
My basic philosophy is that for five thousand years of civilization, we have done almost everything wrong. Nothing has worked and now humanity and all the plants and animals are in danger of extinction because of our constant violence, to each other and to nature. We need a fresh start. Capital punishment has to go. It is interesting that the vast majority of member nations of the UN agree with me on this but their attempts to pass a resolution against it have been continually hijacked by a coalition of mostly Shariah countries headed by the IRI, China, and George W. Bush's Amrikaaaa.....
Think about it for a minute while you're out there celebrating. IRI, China, and George W. Bush.
EYE FOR AN EYE
by Zeba (not verified) on Tue Dec 18, 2007 05:20 PM PSTRosi, stop being such a B***...Yes IAM HAPPY and secondaly I'm not muslim and nor I believe in Islam. You don't need to give history lesson...for your info I was asking whether the guy that was killed by Ali was Zorasterian. After all these are the rules according to Koran, the wholy book which is nothing but bunch of laws of barbarian. Why are you getting so worked up about this...He killed someone and now he is paying for the crime plus none of you people were there so the truth is compermised. P.S. Nobody twisted his arm to accept the knife from his friend. He should have known that morally it was wrong and that tell us about his upbringing.
To Zeba...Who is Happy...on the name "Mazdak"
by Rosie T. on Tue Dec 18, 2007 04:37 PM PSTI'm so happy you're happy...it nurtures my soul...For your information:
MAZDAK was the name of the founder of a separate religion under the Sassanids, the Mazdakis, who believed in the abolishment of property and communal living, a kind of spiritual proto-Communism. They flourished at the same time as the Manichaeans, who created a world religion based on a synthesis of Zoroastriansim, Gnosticism, Christianity, and Judaism. Both religions were expressions of the tireless fertility of the genius of the Persian mind. However, both the Mazdakis and the Manichaeans were tortured. exiled and exterminated under the Sassanids. Does that make you happy?
So you subscribe to "an eye for an eye." That is Old Testament and Babylonian. Haven't you heard the news? Since two thousand years ago, starting with Christianity, innovative religions in the Middle East abandoned "eye for an eye" for "mercy." In scripture, at least, if not in implementation. Does that make you unhappy?
Fortunately for you, however, the "Prophet" revivedthe concept of "an eye for an eye" from his remote desert outpost in Seventh Century Arabia. Does Shariah law make you happy? Just wondering.
Robin
PS Azarin, any news?
Call from death row
by Zeba (not verified) on Tue Dec 18, 2007 03:52 PM PSTI'm glad that they are going to execute him..I think jistice can finally be served. At age 16 you are hardly a child. Did you know even after age 12 if you are supporting yourself financially you are cinsidered an adult and treated like one? What about Mazdak and his family. I truly believe in an eye for an eye. I think he got enough publicity.
P.S. I gather from the name Mazdak that it is not a typical muslim name. Was he a zoroasterain by any chance?
Latest news...Not a good one.
by Azarin Sadegh on Mon Dec 17, 2007 05:08 PM PSTI just got contacted by my friend (Ali's aunt).
It seems that Ali's mother has been told that the halt of the execution might just have been a ruse to calm down the public opinion in Iran. She said that they are going to announce that the file has been reviewed in detail and Ali is still guilty, so at the end, they will execute him after everything he had to go through.
Ali's mother thinks that we all have been fooled by them...again.
I have already contacted SCE and I am waiting for the confirmation from Mr. Mostafai.
I really don't know what to think. I am lost. Let's hope it is not true and they are not going to follow such a diabolic plan.
Azarin
To Piruz: Thanks but...
by Azarin Sadegh on Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:22 AM PSTDear Piruz,
Thanks a lot for your kind words, but I think you are exaggerating about what I have done. As I have told from the beginning, I am nobody with any particular connection! So there is anything extraordinary about me. The beauty of Ali’s story is the extent of this circle of hope, formed by a bunch of ordinary people. Ali is still in jail, we haven’t won yet, but I am sure as long as we don’t give up, there would be always hope for him.
Cheers,
Azarin
Your story brought tears to my eyes!!
by Pirouz (not verified) on Mon Dec 17, 2007 02:35 AM PSTYour story brought tears to my eyes. I just wanted to thank you for your selfless work on behalf of this poor soul, Ali. Wow! This is amazing. Even your translation is done so well. I just wanted to congratulate you. Thank you! Thank you very much for being such a fantastic human being! Thank you! I have been supporting Amnesty International financially now and then, but I wish I could do more. Please tell me what I can do. Your story has inspired me so much, and I cannot fit in my own skin any more! I want to do more than just teaching a college course. I wish I could get on the mountain top and scream -- free all the innocent souls! End all your stupid wars! End all your tyrannical regimes. End all these senseless acts in the name of religion and god!...But I would like to do more than just utter pretty words. I want to DO something -- anything -- as long as I can join hands with wonderful people like you to make this crazy world a little better for someone.
Please guide me as to how I can help....
THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
Pirouz N.
Northern California
Time for celebration
by Azarin Sadegh on Sat Dec 15, 2007 04:18 PM PSTToday is Saturday and it is a day of celebration! Ayaotallah Shahrudi halted the execution.
Today Ali Mahin Torabi is alive and he is getting a new chance at life. because of the overwhelming response from the Iranian people.
It is the greatest news! It is all we asked for all the way from the beginning.
Thank you so much SCE! Without you and without the help of your amazing lawyer, Ali wouldn't be with us anymore.
Thank you so much Mr. Mostafi! You are unbelievable. Thank you so much for your passionate and tireless efforts and for never giving up hopes, when everyone else (included Ali and Ali's parents) had lost it... You are one of the best kind that the humanity can ever offer.
Ali is alive today because of you and because of the fearless Iranian people who turned into Ali’s best hope.
I have to express my joy and my deepest gratitude to SCE, to Ayatollah Shahrudi, to the Amnesty International, to the EU, to the UN, to UNESCO, to Iranian Medias, to Nazanin, to David, to Nikoo, to JJ, to Rosie, to Sasha, to the mother who wanted to be executed instead of Ali, to the one who couldn't forget Ali's eyes,...to everyone who felt Ali's agony and to everyone who believed in Justice.
Today is a new day and I just can't stop the joy, pouring like tears, giving me back my faith and trust in humankind. Ali is alive today and we learned to be alive as human beings through our struggle for him.
Thank you!
Azarin Sadegh
Yes, there is hope..
by Rosie T. on Sat Dec 15, 2007 04:04 PM PSTnow we have hope for Ali, and hope that the groundswell movement grows. I agree. The campaign is far from over. It is only the beginning.
But hope must also be celebrated. Have a cigar. Drink champagne. Love your loved one. Dance.
Then get back to work. Tomorrow.
Or Monday.
To: 'moved by your words' and everyone
by Anonymous- (not verified) on Sat Dec 15, 2007 03:28 PM PST"EXECUTION HALTED FOR REVIEW!..."
This was what I saw written by Rosie.T when I clicked on Iranian.com today.... Yay,Yay and then another Yay I shouted to myself...
This morning I was afraid to click on the site for fear of hearing awful news.
But here it was in black and white saying the execution had been stayed and for the time being there is Hope. Ali may get to have a fair trial with a good lawyer and proper defense.
That is awesome!
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Breakfast tasted sooo good. The same as usual, cereal and milk, but myyy it tasted good today!
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...and
Dear "moved by your words":
What I wrote about "Ali's Eyes" was exactly how I felt, I'm glad it moved you enough to help, we all know every effort counts.
So now I feel there is hope to see Ali's eyes smile again... and the eyes of all those in the same boat as him riding the stormy seas.
There is Hope.
No time to celebrate now, perhaps later....
by aaj sr (not verified) on Sat Dec 15, 2007 03:27 PM PSTCertainly, this is a good news that Ali's file sent back to lower court for re-examination, however until we hear stay of execution, we have to continue our campaign. REMEMBER; THERE ARE OVER 80 MORE UNDER AGED OFFENDERS AWAITING EXECUTION. Their names and particular are listed in SCE www.stopchildexecutions.com
WE ALL WILL CELEBRATE WHEN BARBARIC LAW IS ABOLISHED FOR EVER, EVERYWHERE, AND UNTIL THEN, AS A RESPONSIBLE CITIZEN OF THIS WORLD WE MUST CONTINUE OUR CAMPAIGN.
SPREAD THE GOOD NEWS!
by Rosie T. on Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:18 PM PSTEXECUTION HALTED FOR REVIEW! UNPRECEDENTED VICTORY OF PEOPLE OVER JUDICIARY! See SCE blog (link below).
I want to thank Azarin Sadegh for asking me to participate in this campaigna and JJ for his enormous support, and everyone who did whatever you could. It's only a beginning, but a beginning not only for Ali but for the future of a groundswell of opposition to the injustices that go on in the IRI on a daily basis.
I ask you to please ignore the posts of those who would sabotage our communications even in this most moving moment. They prove themselves either indifferent to Ali's fate or quite simply out for blood. THis is a time for celebration, not debate. PLease drown out their toxic voices with your good thoughts, good words, good deeds. ***********************
Ali-joon: YOU ARE A CHILD OF THE UNIVERSE LIKE THE TREES AND THE STARS, AND YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO BE HERE.
--Desiderata (author anonymous)
Re: Rosie
by Au. (not verified) on Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:01 PM PSTYou say: "
Sasha voiced extreme sorrow for Mazdak in her blog, as well as for his parents.
It is inappropriate to use the word "concerned" for a dead person. "Concern" means "worry". She can be concerned about Mazdak's DEATH, and she has expressed her concern. But she can't be CONCERNED ABOUT MAZDAK.
Last person I heard who was widely reported to be raised from the dead was Jesus Christ. Hanging Ali won't accomplish Mazdak's resurrection.
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Use of sarcasm is inappropriate on a serious subject!
I mentioned that the punishment addresses not only the dead victim (Mazdak) but also the future victims of this type of crime.
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Rosie, what I read from your view is that you would rather sacrifice social justice for individual liberty. Please prove me wrong.
You say: "hanging Ali will not resurrect Mazdak"
I say : A punishment that fits the crime will deter further teen rage and violence.
I'm in no way encouraging execution but looking for a way to address the "Justice".
Peace;
Rosie
by Conned (not verified) on Sat Dec 15, 2007 11:49 AM PSTRosie,
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You sound like a mullah. They refuse to answer your legitimate questions and when their argument falls short, they invoke God.
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How about engaging in a meaningful debate and trying to answer my question?
On Children:
by Rosie T. on Sat Dec 15, 2007 11:18 AM PSTMy reply to "Conned" in light of the UNPRECEDENTED victory of the PEOPLE of IRAN over the ATTROCITIES of the IRI REGIME:
regarding his concerns about the nuances of the nomenclature of the definiton of CHILDREN:
WE ARE ALL GOD'S CHILDREN.
ALL GOD'S CHILLUN GOT WINGS!
LION AND LAMB SHALL LIVE IN PEACE AND A LTTLE CHILD SHALL LEAD THEM.
ALONE. A STRANGER AND AFRAID, LOST IN A WORLD I NEVER MADE.
SOMETIMES I FEEL LIKE A MOTHERLESS CHILD.
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YOU ARE A CHILD OF THE UNIVERSE, NO LESS THAN THE TREES, AND THE STARS, AND YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO BE HERE--Desiderata
Ali's file sent for review. Execution halted:
by SCE Campaign on Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:49 AM PST//iranian.com/main/blog/sce-campaign/alis-file-sent-review-execution-halted
Stop Child Executions Campaign
Definition is lacking
by conned (not verified) on Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:48 AM PSTArticle 37 simply says that capital punishment shall not be applied to offenses committed as a child. It does not define "child execution" as execution of an adult who committed a juvenile offense. Nice try though.
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Why I am I being seemingly picky. I normally would sign petitions for a good cause. However, when organizations use Orwellian language it points to a hidden agenda and since I don't know what that agenda is, I refuse to sign.
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Defining "child execution" as execution of an adult for juvenile offenses is Orwellian because no child is being executed and is therefore misleading. If you want to push for a good cause, avoid such language and you get my vote.
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Why are you avoiding my question?
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What do you call an execution of someone who actually is a child at the time of execution? and How do you distinguish the two situation?
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Still awaiting an answer.
Anonymous, Ali's Eyes
by Moved by your words (not verified) on Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:44 AM PSTThank you so much for your deep felt thoughts and words. You are in pain about ALI and I feel it now too. You are willing to talk about it and it convinced me to do whatever I can and try to help Ali.
CONNED: Article 37 UN Convention for Rights of the Child states:
by Rosie T. on Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:29 AM PSTParties shall ensure that: (a) No child shall be subjected to torture or other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment. Neither capital punishment nor life imprisonment without possibility of release shall be imposed for offences committed by persons below eighteen years of age.
You don't need a link. Just google the words and it will take you right to the sources.
To repeat: no chid...capital punishment...for offenses COMMITTED... below eighteen years
for offenses COMMITTED... below eighteen years
for offenses COMMITTED... below eighteen years
for offenses COMMITTED... below eighteen years
MY ANSWER TO YOUR FIRST QUESTION IS, NO YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUSLY AGAINST CAPITAL PUNISHMENT AND WISH TO HAMSTRING THE PREVENTION OF AN EXECUTION WITH YOUR HAIR-SPLITTING ANALYSES OF LANGUAGE AT THIS TIME, UNDER THIS YOUNG MAN'S SAD EYES AND WORDS!
MY QUESTION TO YOU IS WHY DO YOU NEED ALL THIS WORDING METICULOUSLY ANALYZED TO HERMENEUTICAL EXHAUSTION RIGHT NOW?
MY SENSE IS YOU ARE MASTURBATING WITH LANGUAGE FOR YOUR OWN PURPOSES OF EGO CONTROL BECAUSE YOU JUST CAN'T STOP AND THAT IS SAD BUT I AM STOPPING. I AM FINISHED WITH THIS DISCUSSION WITH YOU AS OF RIGHT NOW.
linguistics
by Conned (not verified) on Sat Dec 15, 2007 09:59 AM PSTRosie,
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Can one be against capital punishment and also against abuse of language at the same time? Are those mutually exclusive?
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Please provide a link from UN website where it shows that execution of an adult for juvenile offenses is defined as "child execution".
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My question to you and all others still remains unanswered. If you insist on calling the above situation child execution, then what do you call the execution of a person who is actually under 18 and how do you distinguish these two situations?
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UN TREATY DEFINES CHILD (I.E. MINOR) EXECUTION AS:
by Rosie T. on Sat Dec 15, 2007 09:47 AM PSTEXECUTION FOR CRIMES COMMITTED AS A CHILD (MINOR).
IRI DELAYS SUCH EXECUTIONS SO THEY WILL GO UNDER THE RADAR OF HORRIFIED WORLD OPINION.
THEY ARE SUCCESSFUL IN THIS SLEAZY TACTIC AS LONG AS SOMEONE WHO CLAIMS TO BE AGAINST THE DEATH PENALTY IS ARGUING THE SEMANTICS OF THE SITUATION OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
AS THE MEDIEVAL EUROPEAN CHURCH "SCHOLASTICS" ASKED:
HOW MANY ANGELS ON THE HEAD OF A PIN?
WHO CARES???
David ET
by conned (not verified) on Sat Dec 15, 2007 09:37 AM PST"How about ... for those who get killed before the age of 18 such as"
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Do you even bother reading my posts before replying?
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What part of my post did you not understand so I can explain it to you better?
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B) Someone kills a person at the age of 16 and gets executed at the age of 16.
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In my books B is child execution.
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Did you understand this? If so, why do you have to ask the above question?