Iran's Comprehensive Scientific Plan Unveiled-Iran Today-04-12-2011-(Part1)
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15-Apr-2011 (31 comments)

an's comprehensive scientific plan unveiled-Iran Today-04-12-2011-(Part1)

Iran has the fastest/highest scientific growth in the world.

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Onlyiran

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Afshin Ehx

Onlyiran

by Afshin Ehx on

She cannot remove the posting. I guess AMIR1973 will have to read the same thing twice.

Glad to know that my blunder provided you and your Sepesh buddy/username with some teen-agish and  immaturish fun.


Onlyiran

Indeed shepesh jaan :-)

by Onlyiran on

This is indeed a "LOL" moment. :-))


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by Shepesh on

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Afshin Ehx

Onlyiran & MIR1973

by Afshin Ehx on

OOPS!

Sahar Naaz is my wife. She had not signed off last night. I forgot to sign her off  before I logged in. I will ask her to remove the posting under her name when she gets back.

Meanwhile, I copied and pasted the post under my own username.

Onlyiran: What I wrote to AMIR1973 about throwing insults and epithets at opponents applies  to you as well.

 


Onlyiran

So, why re-post under your other username?

by Onlyiran on

:-)


Afshin Ehx

AMIR1973

by Afshin Ehx on

Thank you for revealing your intelligent and sincere side by providing reasons for doubting the veracity of reports about Iran’s recent scientific-technological strides. I am not going to respond to your arguments since you have said that you don’t have the time or the interest to continue with this exchange.

However, I am going to take issue with your first paragraph. You say that “First of all, I don't care what you think of me or of the terms which I correctly apply to you”. I can understand you not caring about what I think of you since we are not friends or colleagues. However, the part of the sentence which says that the disparaging terms that you threw at me in your earlier posts “correctly apply” to me is problematic. In your capacity as a physician, you need to know everything about the patient and his/her illness in order to come up with the right diagnosis. With this analogy in mind, and based on the news items I post, and also going by the content of what I have written in my posts in this particular string, you have no foundation upon which to conclude that I am a staunch supporter of, and/or a propagandizer for, the IRI. Moreover, assuming that I am what you suspect I am (just for the sake of argument), it does not entitle you or anyone else to throw insults or disparaging epithets at me.

In order to have a genuinely democratic government in Iran, we need to learn the democratic political culture. The most rudimentary element of this culture requires that one should not demonize or slander one’s political opponents. We won’t get there until we start practicing some elements of this culture right now (at least in the educated classes). It is the poverty of our political culture that made IRI possible, and as long as we have not learned the right culture, we will not get a democratic system….

Again, thank you for caring enough to respond in a positive manner. I look forward to exchanging ideas with you on other occasions.


Onlyiran

I think we have a live one here!!!

by Onlyiran on

Well, "Sahar Naaz," Amir's comment was directed to "Afshin Ehx," but all of a sudden you appear and say in response that you are offended when he told you that he doesn't care about your opinion.  Busted!!!

Waht is with you IRI supporters and multiple ID usage?  Do you think that we will think that the IRI has more supporters if you post under different usernames?  :-) 


Sahar Naaz

AMIR1973

by Sahar Naaz on

Thank you for revealing your intelligent and sincere side by providing reasons for doubting the veracity of reports about Iran’s recent scientific-technological strides. I am not going to respond to your arguments since you have said that you don’t have the time or the interest to continue with this exchange.

However, I am going to take issue with your first paragraph. You say that “First of all, I don't care what you think of me or of the terms which I correctly apply to you”. I can understand you not caring about what I think of you since we are not friends or colleagues. However, the part of the sentence which says that the disparaging terms that you threw at me in your earlier posts “correctly apply” to me is problematic. In your capacity as a physician, you need to know everything about the patient and his/her illness in order to come up with the right diagnosis. With this analogy in mind, and based on the news items I post, and also going by the content of what I have written in my posts in this particular string, you have no foundation upon which to conclude that I am a staunch supporter of, and/or a propagandizer for, the IRI. Moreover, assuming that I am what you suspect I am (just for the sake of argument), it does not entitle you or anyone else to throw insults or disparaging epithets at me.

In order to have a genuinely democratic government in Iran, we need to learn the democratic political culture. The most rudimentary element of this culture requires that one should not demonize or slander one’s political opponents. We won’t get there until we start practicing some elements of this culture right now (at least in the educated classes). It is the poverty of our political culture that made IRI possible, and as long as we have not learned the right culture, we will not get a democratic system….

Again, thank you for caring enough to respond in a positive manner. I look forward to exchanging ideas with you on other occasions.


AMIR1973

Afshin

by AMIR1973 on

First of all, I don't care what you think of me or of the terms which I correctly apply to you.

The IRI has a life expectancy and infant mortality rate that is not even in the top 100 among states in the world (lower even than many nations poorer than Iran). It has an abysmal record of safety in terms of auto and plane accidents and air pollution (among the very worst in the world). One has to be very sceptical that a regime which, despite 32 years of very high oil and natural gas revenues, still has such a pitiful record on such basic measures of wellbeing and advancement is "making great strides" (whatever that means) in various high tech and scientific fields. The IRI cannot even do well the one thing it should be able, i.e. produce and refine oil and natural gas (its oil production has fallen to nearly half what Iran's production was in the 1970s). Whereas Qatar is a leading LNG producer, the IRI has little presence on the world stage.

 

The IRI has a rich record of lies and fabrications (including empty boasting of "self sufficiency", photoshopping its "missile launches", phony promises of freedom, democracy, equal rights from Khomeini, outlandish lies about "freest elections and media in the world" by Ahmadinejad, etc, etc) for 3 decades, and no one should take the claims of their official media at face value -- especially in a regime where there is no freedom of speech or press to challenge the official media. The things it is proficient at are leading per capita executioner in the world, the leading killer by far of Iranian men, women, and children of any regime in recent Iranian history (20,000 to give a rather conservative estimate), major source of brain drain, leader in opiate addiction, leader in execution of underage offenders, executioner of folks for non-violent "crimes", etc

I am a physician, and I can tell you that in my field, i.e. cancer, I have never seen an article in a reputable or "high impact" journal published from the IRI. I have seen firsthand the level of cancer treatment there, and I can tell you that it is behind that of Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and the UAE and arguably behind that of the better cancer clinics in Egypt and India (yes, India. The Tata clinic in Mumbai, to name one, is more reputable than any cancer clinic in the IRI). The level of medical technology and to a large extent the knowledge for applying that technology leaves much to be desired. Simply publishing some papers in some marginal and rather "low impact" journals is not a sign of advancement. I can go on, but I have neither the time nor inclination to continue this exchange.


Afshin Ehx

AMIR1973

by Afshin Ehx on

I am wondering whether I should continue liking you; you sure do make it difficult. It would be helpful if you put aside your sardonic and insincere attitude when you write. Besides, branding me with phrases like “West-residing IRI Groupie” or as a person who propagandizes for IRI does not endear you to me. I know you throw these things at me in order to discredit and disparage me, so you don’t have to deal with my arguments. The sort of approach you take towards me is often referred to as committing the “ad hominem”, which is a logical fallacy. Simply put, it means attacking or disparaging the person who makes an argument instead of dealing with the argument itself. In other words, you attack the messenger instead of dealing with the message.

Also, thank you for pointing out my spelling error. I should not put too much faith in my spell-checker. Having thanked you, I want to add that you didn’t have to do it in a contemptuous and patronizing manner. This way of dealing with other people's errors only reveals the flaws in one’s own character. A little respect and sincerity can go a long way.

Finally, I want to let you know that I can think of a few phrases that I can throw at you in order to brand and disparage you, but I won’t. I am still interested in hearing your arguments as to why I should doubt that Iran has made great strides in science and technology in recent years. I know you are capable of presenting intelligent arguments. I look forward to hearing them. Please don’t disappoint me. 


AMIR1973

Afshin Joon

by AMIR1973 on

I like you too, my dear West-residing IRI Groupie. I also like Press TV almost as much as I like Al-Manar and the TV stations of N. Korea and Syria -- they are wonderful voices of free, just, prosperous, and "independent" regimes, just like the IRI that you propagandize for.

Also, if I may suggest, please stop spelling “Jews” as “Jooooz”; it comes across as anti-sematic. 

BTW, learn to spell the word "anti-semitic". Otherwise, people will think that the quality of West-residing IRI propagandists is as poor and pathetic as the quality of their many astounding scientific and technological "achievements". Cheers  :-)


Afshin Ehx

AMIR1973, Roozbeh-Gilani, and Reality-Bites

by Afshin Ehx on

 AMIR1973: I am beginning to like you. You did take my advice and lightened up a bit. It would be a good idea to balance the material one sees/reads on CNN, BBC, VOA, and the Jerusalem Post with views expressed on Press TV. Also, if I may suggest, please stop spelling “Jews” as “Jooooz”; it comes across as anti-semitic. Not every Jew is a Zionist, and not all Zionists are Jews.

Roozbeh: You referred to what I have posted as “this pathetic, poorly written, piece of propaganda”. This tells me that you have not seen my post. It was not a written material; it was a video. Moreover, see Soosan Khanoom’s post who spoke in the capacity of a person who works in scientific and technical field. She gave a positive response. Finally, Press TV is not the only source that has reported on Iran’s scientific-technological progress in recent years. If you tend to only believe non-Iranian sources, then check out the following:

//www.newscientist.com/article/dn20291-iran-i..., //www.engadget.com/2010/07/05/irans-got-a-wal..., //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surena_(robot)

By the way, I like your Red Star and your motto: "Personal business must yield to collective interest." I also like your first name which reminds me of the Iranian national hero Khossrov Roosbeh.

Reality-Bites: No, that was not my advice. What I said was that you should stop watching “too much” CNN, BBC, and VOA. These are not just neutral “international organizations and media” as you have referred to them. Rather, they are the propaganda organs and “mouthpieces” of IMF, World Bank, and the imperial-colonial powers which project themselves as representing the “International Community”. If you really believe that these organizations and media give you the truth, and what they report, or how they report, or the way they analyze things are unbiased, then you need to read Noam Chomsky’s Necessary Illusions and Manufacturing Consent. Press TV is also biased, but in a different directiion.

Moreover, working with the assumption that everything IRI does is wrong or evil shows flaws in one’s grasp of the reality and his/her thinking-reasoning ability. Not every regime does everything wrong. During the cold war, the countries in the soviet bloc, especially the soviet union, were subjected to devastating criticisms, and were made to look like evil incarnates. Now that they are gone, poll after poll shows that the overwhelming majority of the people in these countries think that the old “evil” regimes did a lot of good things, and life was better under them. (The latest poll shows that 75% of Hungarians now miss the old regime. Keep in mind that Hungary is in a better shape than other countries in the former soviet bloc, and polls in other countries are higher.) The fact that these regimes were politically repressive and economically inefficient was used to portray them as evil. The whole point is that Iranian diaspora is now engaged in similar patterns of thinking and reasoning towards IRI.

Having said all of these, if you want to live your life thinking that everything IRI does is evil, and everything Press TV says is a lie—and by contrast, if you want to believe that everything the so-called “International Community” does is good, and everything the “international organizations and media” say is true—then go ahead and enjoy the bliss that this way of thinking gives you. It is your business.


AMIR1973

Thanks Afshin Joon

by AMIR1973 on

I will stop watching the Zionist-occupied media controlled by the Jooooz and start watching Press TV, Al-Manar, and the official mouthpieces of North Korea and Syria. Good enough for you?

BTW, please keep posting garbage from IRI's Press TV (while living in the West, naturally enough!). Cheers  :-)


Roozbeh_Gilani

another laughable pack of lies from IRI sponsored "pressTV"

by Roozbeh_Gilani on

There are many readers of this site who work in scientific and technical community in US and Europe who'd simply laugh at ridiculous claims made in this pathetic, poorly written,  piece of propaganda.

That's all I'm prepared to say about this trash piece of propaganda by the islamist regime of Iran. 

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."


Reality-Bites

So Afshin

by Reality-Bites on

Your advice is that we should ignore the news from international organisations and media and instead listen to what PressTV has to say, right?

Well, try to forgive if some of us don't buy into the mouthpiece of this repressive clerical tyranny. You see Afshin, sometimes things actually ARE good and evil, black and white. It's sad you can't see that, especially as you say you are a proud Iranian

But regarding your point about cheering Iranian scientists. Of course I would cheer and take pride in not just Iranian scientists, but also business people, economists, healthcare workers, social workers and others who work in the service of the people. If you'd read my previous post more carefully, you would've noted that I talked about Iranians who do good work for the country.

But many of these people have to work within the unacceptable constraints, corruption, nepotism and mismanagement of the regime. Their work would've been far more effective and Iran would've progressed considerably faster and farther if we had regime that truly cared for its people (ALL its people) and allowed an open, free and democratic society to flourish.

I pointed out the Iran's economic data just to highlight what a mess the country is in. If you want to ignore that and live in the make believe world of PressTV, that's your choice, but you won't be doing your country any favor.


Afshin Ehx

AMIR1973 and Reality-Bites

by Afshin Ehx on

I got a kick out of reading your posts. Lighten up boys (or girls)! And open your minds. You’ve got to give up seeing the world in terms of good and evil, and black and white. Also, stop watching too much CNN, BBC, and VOA, where you get this simplistic mindset from.

Stop muddling the question at hand. As Iranians (I am assuming you are Iranians) you need to cheer Iranian scientists’ achievements even if you hate the IRI.

P.S. Where do you get those “facts”? From IMF, World Bank, or from the “International Community”-Dominated UN agencies?


MRX1

Good

by MRX1 on

now with all his technology,can they do some thing a bout water shortage that is a serious problem over there and while their at it fix the planes so they don't fall from the sky every week.


Reality-Bites

Gotta love it...

by Reality-Bites on

IRI supporters reduced to posting propaganda from IRI's own foreign service mouthpiece, PressTV.

No doubt there are many talented and able Iranians, many of them educated overseas, not least in the land of the "Great Satan", who are trying to improve things in Iran, despite the misrule of the IRI. However, let's get this straight, if there is any good work being done in Iran, it is in spite of the IRI's rule, not because of it.

Leaving the aside the misery of life of Iranian people in general, in terms of lack of democracy, freedom and continuing gross violations of Human Rights, the dire economic situation in Iran, thanks to mismanagement of the IRI has also added to people's woes.

Even according to IRI's own figures (likely to be to doctored to present a rosier picture), Iran has an inflation rate around 13%, unemployment of 15% and about 20% of the people live under the poverty line, with many more close to it. The country has 2million registered drugs addicts and, again, the real figure is likely to be much higher.

And all this despite the historic record levels of high oil prices, which should've meant that the country with 10% and 15% of the entire World's proven oil and gas reserves respectively, not to mention so many able, entrepreneurial and educated Iranians, should be one of the wealthiest nations on the planet with one of the highest standards of living.

Instead the country's per capita GDP (at $11,200) ranks at 86 in the world table. Turkey, a neighboring country with a similar population level and none of Iran's huge quantities of natural resources ranks at 82 (with a per capita GDP of of $12,300). In the 1970s, Iran per capita GDP was on a par with South Korea. Now, South Korea, at $30,200 (nearly 3 times Iran's) ranks at 40 in the World table. How's that for comparison of economic progress?

But never mind all that, let's talk about what PressTV thinks of how Iran is doing.


AMIR1973

Afshin Ehx

by AMIR1973 on

Also, if you truly believe that life expectancy is higher (or life in general is better) in the West Bank and Gaza Strip than it is in Iran, then you deserve to live in those two regions so you can enjoy Israeli occupation as much as Palestinians do.

First of all, my dear IRI Groupie, it is a fact that life expectancy in the West Bank and Gaza, bad as those places are, is higher than it is in the IRI. Second of all, it is rather rich for you to be praising the many "achievements" of the anti-Western and anti-American IRI when you yourself would rather live in the Great Satan or one of the Little Satans. In other words, you are another typical leftist hypocrite who spreads the IRI's phony propaganda claims but cannot actually be bothered to live there.

Keep posting the garbage of Press TV, the official mouthpiece of a regime that has executed tens of thousands of Iranians.


Afshin Ehx

Afshinazad

by Afshin Ehx on

Dear Afshinzad,

I hope I have not offended you with my comments. Surely, that was not my intention. I apologize if I have. I probably grouped you with some on Iranian.com who all they do is to criticize everything about Iran. They see Iran in black and white terms, and since they politically oppose IRI, they reject and criticize anything that might remotely portray it in a positive light, even for a second.

I or the video never claimed that Iran is first at anything, or it has made a huge scientific invention, in science and technology. The point of the video is that Iran has made huge strides in science and technology in recent years.

Did you watch the video entirely? You will find some of your questions or concerns answered there.

Please check out the following sites: //www.newscientist.com/article/dn20291-iran-i..., //www.engadget.com/2010/07/05/irans-got-a-wal..., //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surena_(robot)

Moeover, not everything the IRI and Press TV say is a lie. I would argue that more lies come out of Washington and CNN than come from Tehran and Press TV.

Finally, I never said that I regarded you as an Iran-hater, and never claimed that I loved Iran. If you read my first response to your comment, you will see that I am highly ciritical of IRI. The point is that these things are not black and white. 


afshinazad

Afshin Ehx

by afshinazad on

Afshin Ehx, Just what makes you think I am not proud of my country or less patriotic?

Since I know for fact what is going on in Iran and I know exactly how poor is our science and technology compare to other countries. Do you know that our professors in Iran are mostly with master degrees and most of them even have fake master degrees from Azad University, because some of them were my class mates and they never continued education.  

Seems you are either out of touch or you just think that articles are scientific achievements!

Name one think that Iranian have invented and I am not talking about Iranian who are living in western country.

Everything in Iran is imported and anything that we built in Iran is copy from others and sad part is even we can’t make a descent copy.

You see I could continue, but your mindset is to love Iran and my mindset is to hate Iran!?

 


Afshin Ehx

Onlyiran, MIR1973, Soosan Khanoom, and Afshinazad

by Afshin Ehx on

Onlyiran and MIR1973: Thank you for your comments which validated some of the claims I made in my earlier post directed at Afshiazad:

Your comment is very typical of a lot of Iranians’ mindset who show inability to be proud of what their country has achieved in recent years

People with the mindset expressed in your comment…find fault with everything.

Also, if you truly believe that life expectancy is higher (or life in general is better) in the West Bank and Gaza Strip than it is in Iran, then you deserve to live in those two regions so you can enjoy Israeli occupation as much as Palestinians do.

Soosan Khanoom: Thank you for sharing your experience and opinion as a scientist, which are very relevant to the matter at hand.

Afshinazad: What lies are you talking about? Iran’s scientific achievements have been acknowledged recently. See //www.newscientist.com/article/dn20291-iran-is-top-of-the-world-in-science-growth.html.


afshinazad

afshin ehx

by afshinazad on

My comment is not to insult my young Iranian, who I think they are very smart and if they had an opportunity they could have accomplished a lot. But my point is making a documentary base of lies is an insult to you and me and every Iranian. And if you think we have to cheer for all the lies coming from IRI, How about economy propaganda and fooling public and really you think we should cheer when they lie. As I said, I am very proud of my young Iranian and telling the truth is good for our society and enough of lies.


AMIR1973

Dear Soosan,

by AMIR1973 on

The link posted by this particular individual is for Press TV, which is the official media outlet of a regime which has directly killed at least 20,000 Iranian men, women, and children in the past 3 decades. It is literally the mouthpiece of the IRI's ruling gang, which includes many killers, rapists, torturers, and thieves.


Soosan Khanoom

come on you guys .......

by Soosan Khanoom on

come on you guys ....... step by step ........ Iran is a mess we all know but when you hear a good news you should be happy and proud anyway.  I know I would be regardless of who is running the country .....  

Being away for so long I am not aware of everything in Iran but I know they are doing pretty damn good job in Embryonic Stem Cell Research. Unfortunately, the researchers are underpaid and as I mentioned like any other Iranians life is a constant struggle for them ...... Meanwhile places such as MIT and Stanford are willing to do anything to have them as part of their research team. I am saying these based on facts ..... 

 


Onlyiran

And how do you explain this Afhsin Ehx?

by Onlyiran on

This is a comment by AMIR1973 on your co-worker's (IMF) thread:

 "The average life expectancy in the West Bank is 74.5 years, and in Gaza it is 73.4 years -- neither of which have much oil or natural gas. In the IRI (which has the 2nd largest natural gas reserves and 3rd largest oil reserves in the entire world), it is 71.1years.


And why do Gaza and the West Bank have lower infant mortality than the IRI -- about half the infant mortality rate as the IRI!?"

So, it turns out that people in your beloved Palestine (for which you shed tears here day in and day out) have a better standard of living in some areas than the people in Iran.  How do you explain that away with all your "scientific achievements" and Zionist this and occupation that?

PS- go tell this nonsense to someone who  doesn't know.  IRI's "scientific advances" are like its "military power": all lies and propaganda.  We saw how it was a coward when the Saudis rolled into Bahrain.  It didn;t do jack s**t with all its talk of being a "supeer power."  Likewise, if it had any "scientific achievements," it wouldn't be forced to buy 1950's junk from North Korea, and its best universities wouldn't be ranked in the 300's.

Boro baba.  Een tanlighaat ro ghablan ham deedeem va shenideem.    


AMIR1973

IRI's great achievements

by AMIR1973 on

Among the IRI's great scientific and technological achievements are being ranked not even in the top 100 in the world in life expectancy and infant mortality -- no doubt these are among the great achievements frequently praised by West-residing Groupies and propagandists of a regime that they cannot be bothered to actually live under. One would think that a regime that has managed to make such astounding scientific and technological advances wouldn't see its population have shorter life expectancies than many poor and miserable developing countries. Curiously enough, the West-residing, self-styled "anti-imperialists" choose to remain  in the Great Satan (or one of the Western Little Satans) rather than in the IRI. It just shows you how little they believe their own propaganda. Cheers  :-)


Soosan Khanoom

Afshin Ehx .

by Soosan Khanoom on

Right on points Afshin Ehx .........

It seems that some people here in IC are against Iran's scientific advancement and any world recognition in that matter while at the same time they cheer Iranian football players as well as any singer who sings over there ....... I just don't get it ........ These scientists are also people of Iran with the same struggles and hardships that the football players and the artists are going through in that country .........

As a scientists myself I can not be more proud of them .. so I thank you for your post as well as for your thoughtful comments ....


Afshin Ehx

Afshinazad

by Afshin Ehx on

Your comment is very typical of a lot of Iranians’ mindset who show inability to be proud of what their country has achieved in recent years, and instead try to feel good about the “glory” that their distant ancestors supposedly achieved some 2500 years ago.

Those running the Iranian government are much smarter than people who like to despise and criticize them left and right. Notwithstanding their glaring shortcomings in many areas, and despite of some of their grave misdeeds, they are at least good in one thing: they believe that they can produce scientific and technological achievements, even under sanctions. People with the mindset expressed in your comment, on the other hand, like to find fault with everything. I can understand you having serious political problems with IRI (I do too), however, fairness requires that you should give credit to those who built the scientific infrastructure of the country, and to those scientists who made this progress possible.

If you are concerned that Iranian scientists are not getting patents for their works, you might want to help by contacting various Iranian scientific institutions, and offering them suggesting and information that would help them do so.

Finally, it is time that we should start believing in ourselves rather than waiting and hoping that Uncle Sam will overthrow IRI, and give us democracy, science, and technology—so we can live happily ever after under blessings of its domination.