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Fearful

You support for the Iranian regime and its fascistic laws brought on this discussion. You said you would support following any law no matter how barbaric and fascistic it be. And I countered by saying that I don't agree with that because that's fascism and barbarism.

Secondly you claimed that IRI is capable of evolving. I disagreed with that by referring to two laws which I see as obstacles to any kind of evolution in IRI's system towards a democratic and non-barbaric system. Incidentally these two laws have not only not evolved for the better during the past three decades but also they have devolved and are now even more authoritarian. 

So I am debating the issue just fine; you however seem to dislike free debate and follow an Islamist mindset. But I should remind you that this is Iranian.com not Keyhan.ir!!

Pahlevan,

Again,

We were not talking about the entire characteristic of IR and whether its a fascist state or not.  You just changed the entire topic.

We were not even debating on whether this system can evolve or not.

Our debate was about Sakineh's death sentence and you started the debate after i replied to Comrad. Your focus was on the law itself. When i tried to address your point, you even claimed i am missing your god damn point in the next fucking post. Then i explained my position further while sticking to your gameplay. Then all of the sudden you changed the entire playing field by getting emotional and calling fascist and etc etc.

This is not how you engage in debates. Stick to the fucking point. Afterall, you initiated the exchange and it was your topic point ( the law itself ) that we were arguing.

Fearful

Wow a little pressure and your ugly Islamist nature starts to surface!

IRI system almost perfectly matches the definition of a fascist system which according to American Hertiage Dctionary is:

"A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a
dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the
opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of
belligerent nationalism and racism."

The only thing you have to change in that sentence are the words 'nationalism' and 'racism' which have to be changed to 'Islamism' and 'Islamist bigotery'. Essentially IRI is based on an ideology which is a form of religious fascism, Islamofascism to be precise.

By the way Velayeh Faghih and Shoraay-e Negahbaan laws have a lot to do with this discussion; because, they are the reasons why this system cannot evolve.

P.S. What happened to your previous avatar ... you know your real face!

Pahlevan,

What does Fascism has to do with this? How did you draw similarities between fascism and IR?

Did you just use it because it sounded pretty to use?  what the fuck? Should i just ignore your emotional rants or should i take them seriously as your views ? 

God damn you ... you completely threw me off the topic. Why did you bring in " shoraye negahban" into this?  How does VF fits in our debate of civil laws implementations? Do you even know VF responsibilities? Why did you try to expand this debate into a completely different area?

Go find VPK for your intellectual exchanges.

NF, that's what is called fascism

If you believe that a fascistic law should be followed just because fascist regime says so then don't be angry if someone calls you an Islamofascist!

I, on the other hand, believe that people should resist fascist regimes and their constitutions and try to overthrow it and replace it with a democratic one.

I also believe that this regime is not reformable and is incapable of evolving into a democratic system. And I am proven right by the 31-year history of this regime. Fascistic laws such as Velayeh Faghih and Shoraay-e Negahbaan laws, during the past three decades were reformed ... but not for the better! they became even more fascistic and undemocratic!

Pahlevan,

Yes, i am a firm believer in the rule of law even if i don't agree with the law itself.

While i agree with " stoning " to be barbaric, if that was the law of our land, then it should be obeyed and respected until our law makers change the law based on more civil laws.

I am not looking at this issue  emotionally. This is strictly from the legal aspect of it and you can expand my view on this to the entire constitution of my country.

See ... I believe in changing the law, not breaking it.

Which it falls perfectly under my main ideology of evolution instead of a revolution.

So, just because i accept the law, or decided to work within the frame of the constitution of my country, it doesn't mean that i am agreeing with every single laws in my country.

But in order for me to be pro active, we all have to agree with the current framework.

NF, You obviously missed my point!

You were so assertive on demanding that "the law" must be followed! so if you believe that IRI's law must be followed properly then you should also believe that, at least for now, all adulterers and apostates must be stoned to death or executed. You as a believer in IRI's system might try to reform some laws but until those laws are changed whatever is in IRI's constitution must be followed ... after all it is the law isn't it?

Pahlevan,

As i have said many times before, i am in favour of the introduction and implementation of modern civil laws in our current penal laws.

Does that address your question?

Also, it might help for you to read some of my earlier blogs to better understand my point of view without me repeating myself and you passing judgement so easily.

Fearful!

Fearful!, Sakineh Mohammadi was initially sentence to death by stoning , by IRI courts only and only for the 'crime' of adultery. After her case got International attention the changed the 'crime' from adultery to 'murder'. So if you do support IRI's fascistic laws do you support death by stoning for the 'crime' of adultary?. How about death by execution for the crime of leaving Islam as is the case of a recent christian convert. why are you so fearful of saying she was sentenced to death by stoning because of adultery and not murder?

Comrade,

I never defended the Judiciary decision to free Ashtiyani. If Ashtiyani is guilty of murdering her husband, then by law she should be executed. 

If she is not executed, then there is a problem with the law ( assuming that she is guilty ). Therefore, the law must be changed ( which i support the implementation of civil laws in our penal laws ).

But until then, we are all equal under the  current law and if you kill someone, you must prepare to pay back with your life.

Desparate Islamist regime using it's own citizens

as bargaining chip for nuclear talks. Pathetically hoping to win some favours or reprieve from the "great Satan"! I am however happy for the poor woman.

BTW this pathetic and public  bowing to "foreign imperialists", by the islamist regime should hopefully clear the minds of the few liberal-lefty gullibles who still buy the islamist regime medicine beliving despite all it's brutality, corruption, etc is "independent".

Independent my ass... 

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

No Fear

The point is - and you know it- you are all HOT AIR.

I dare to "thesis"

Why is that our learned friend who has no fear of being the staunch supporter of A.N is out to defend a decision of IRI which is supposed to be that of the  judiciary branch? What did happen to the farce claim that there are three different, independent branches in IRI?

Can't you at least pretend that it was a decision of judiciary branch and you don't know anything about it?

This Pavlovian attitude of the IRI gang(no insult intended) only reaffirms what we already knew about the dictatorial nature of the IRI.   

Never increase, beyond what is necessary, the number of entities required to explain anything.

Simorgh5555,

Speaking of balls, where is yours?  Why not going back to Iran and fighting the regime directly?

(If you want me to engage you in debates, please simplify your post and focus on one point. I usually ignore posts which expand in all directions without having a " thesis sentence". sincerely.)

No Fear

Your beloved Islamic Republic know who to take their orders from. Time and time again  Ahmadinejad and his hardline cronies have threatened to remve Iran from the nuclear non-proliferation treaty but they have been slapped back into their place when the reality of sanctions and military action comes crashing in. He was forced to reveal the whereabouts of uranium enrichment sites before the Americans revealed it to the Atomic Agencies.

Ahmadinejad has also shown to be a coward on the international front on a number of other occasions. It has previously threatened to send a floatila to Gaza in defiance of the Israeli blockade but at the last monent it bottled out. It gets its Lebanese and Hamas proxies to do their dirty work for them simply because they have no balls to confront Israel directly. 

Add to that the whole history of cowardice by the IR: Khomeini's dramatic and sudden U-Turn when he called for a ceasefire in the war against Iraq which he put down to God speaking to him in a dream when every body knows it was because the Americans downed an Iranian civilian airliner just weeks before. Infact, Khomeini became so desperate he actually brought weapons from Israel! Hah! 

Despite all the rhetoric, Ahmadinejad is all hot air and no action. He can go to the Lebane border and call for the destruction of Israel but he doesn't have the balls to follow up his words with muscle. 

No Fear No one Told You it Ain't Polite to Point a Finger ? ;0)

Samad Greatest Moments

Quite True:

Ashtiyani's release is due to internal issues.  

Thank you for proving my point ! 

He Who laughs ... Last Laughs ... 

That's right, the IR doesn't consider anything from any other

nation.  The IR is, indeed, the Shaaban Bimokh of planet Earth.  That's why our country has been under sanctions and in a clusterfuck for the past 31 years. 

International pressure ? LoL

Since when did Iran under international pressure did anything?

IR doesn't even blink when the 5th fleet is in the persian gulf and it continues with its enrichment.  Isn't that enough pressure for you?

Ashtiyani's release is due to internal issues. Whether the verdict is over turned by the appeal court or as a result of internal politics, remains to be seen.

The International Community should keep up the Pressure on IRI

This proves that the IRI is sensitive to the International Public Opinion.

They should Not allow them the slightest opportunity to rest.

And Iranians in the Diaspora should remain active in denouncing, demonstrating and attacking the IRI Embassies worldwide in Proves at Every given Opportunity.

DOWN WITH THE IRI ! 

Good news

I am very pleased for Sakineh's release. This is clearly the way to deal with the Islamic Republic - pin their ass to the wall and do not tolerate their crap. However, I suspect Sakineh's release may have been part of a bargain struck between the terrorists occupying Iran and the West in order for them to go easy on their terror nuke project. I hope I am wrong although I doubt it. There must be no deals with the terrorists occupying Iran behing closed doors. These terrorists have always understood a carrot and stick policy.

 As for you Sargord, still playing your 'American' card are you? When are you going to realise what a fool you sound like each time you mention that word. 

SPink Jaan Kheir Nabeeni Hamomi ...

Evah ? Kheir Nabeeni Hamomi ... 

Hamomi

Cheshmeh Hassood Koor ! 

LOL

Amazing, ain't it? Roxanne

Amazing, ain't it? Roxanne Sabieri who was clearly guilty of possession of a top secret defense document is set free. Now a convicted accessory to murder is released?

If this were happening in the US, there would be a whole lotta people up in arms. 

Anyway, let's wait and see what the explanation is for her release. Maybe an appeal overturned the verdict. 

I dare to talk on behalf of the victim

Needless to say it's a great news, as I'm against capital punishment. But I'm just wondering what happened to the serious charge of being accessory to the crime in the killing of her husband?

Never increase, beyond what is necessary, the number of entities required to explain anything.