مشایی: هدف ما از اين پس معرفی مكتب ايران است نه مكتب اسلام
Parsine / Parsine
05-Aug-2010 (21 comments)

دريافت ما از حقيقت ايران و حقيقت اسلام، مكتب ايران است و ما بايد از اين به بعد مكتب ايران را به دنيا معرفي كنيم.

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More indications of the nationalistic qualities of Ahmadinejad's team.


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NP, ( Election predictions )

by No Fear on

I am almost certain that from the traditional conservatives ( which can be called Khamenie's party ) , Gholam Hossein Elham would be a candidate. Keep this guy under your radar. He is a rightwing which appeals to Ahmadinejad but also he supports Khamenie religiously. I am gathering info and materials on him lately.

Mashaie's candidancy is doubtful since Khamenie never had a positive opinion about him.

However, the recent Fatwa by Khamenie which set the standard on the acceptance of VF doctorine, could see many others or groups to " re qualify " for entering the race again. Many of those who were pushed aside by Ahmadinejad's team , can re enter politic by simply show their dedication to uphold and acceptance of the VF doctorine. May i remind you that after the traditional conservatives, the reformists in Iran have ALWAYS defended the VF doctorine with the same tenacity.

Mind you it was Ahmadinejad's team that opened the VF doctorine to all sorts of interpretations which led Khamenie to make a move.

Forget Larijani. As a conservative, he has lost in election before and this camp never bets on a losing horse twice. Elham can represent them better and he is getting coverage on this camp newspapers.

I bet you the reform followers will cast there votes to whoever gets the endorsment from Khatami or Mousavi. This group holds so much power in Iran yet they can't even manage themselves, let alone managing my country. I am so worried of a reform win in the next election. ( Parliament is sympathetic to reform, Guardian council consists of pro reform Judges and reformists also have the support of the Expediency Council which is above our constitution headed by Rafsanjani).

This is how i see it. Three major groups competing in Iran, with other smaller groups making strategic alliances with one of the above.

Ahmadinejad has lost some of its conservative supporters, but he has gained many from the secularist and pro reform movement.

 


Niloufar Parsi

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by Niloufar Parsi on

very interesting points. in general, there is not all that much opposition to family monopolies in iran. we have a long history of it! but i hope you are right about larijani's chances. the bigger problem perhaps is the head of judiciary. it's been my long held conclusion that the greatest hindrance to reform in iran is the judiciary, not the legislature or even the military. 

mashaie may get a chance to participate if they don't see him as someone with a credible chance of winning. my feeling is that both khatami and ahmadinejad won in this way. few people (in power) expected them to defeat nouri and rafsanjani. i lived in tehran when khatami won. even some of the diplomatic corps wished for nouri's victory then, foreseeing a period of chaos if khatami won.

the rabbit you refer to could be détente with the west. ahmadinejad is clearly open to this. my guess is that obama might wait till soon after the next us presidential elections to make such a move. they will have a one-year overlap then if i'm not mistaken. right now, détente could be a vote loser for him, especially because of the way he has handled the situation.

Peace


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احمدي‌نژاد: منتقدان مشایی رابه مناظره بخوانند

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رئیس جمهور گفت: همه باید کمک کنند که فضای زیبای آزادی اندیشه در کشور گسترش یابد و هر کس هر حرفی دارد بزند.
 

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MM

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by MM on

A selection doesn’t…….

Exactly.  Just because people come out to vote for the lesser of the evils as opposed to the candidate of their choice, it does not mean that the elections are true elections.

The president has some powers……

Yes, true.  The president has some powers as long as he does not violate basic rules concerning the VF and fundamental Shari’a.  If he does, he will end up in the same hole as Bani-Sadr where Khomeini asked the Majlis to issue a vote of no-confidence / impeachment.  Until the powers of the VF, the councils (the religious elite), Majlis and the judiciary are completely separated, we will not have independent thinking and justice.  Come to think of it, why do we need VF and religious councils?  Are we yateem?

Human rights and religious elite…..

The religious elite will never voluntarily abolish their influence since that will violate the basic rule Khomeini set forth: Shari’a takes precedence over any civil law.  But, I hope you are right.

Decisions of one religious sect over everyone…..

Iranian people were always thought as being very tolerant over all other religious / racial minorities.  However, during the last 31 years, the ugly face of prejudices has come out and some ordinary people are just misusing the power bestowed to them.  This has to change, almost immediately if Shi’aism has a chance to survive as a religion in Iran.  As you have seen, many are turning to Christianity and our traditional Zartosht.

Evolution vs. revolution……

IRI had a chance to bloom in the past 31 years, and many do not think that it is reformable.  It is time to ask the religious elite to come off their high pedestal, either with words or forcefully, but soon.


No Fear

MM,

by No Fear on

you said;

"As I eluted to earlier, I have a big problem with elections when there is a pre-screening of the candidates to IRI's mold, which makes the whole process a selection and not an election."

(A selection doesn't need people's vote anymore.) While i don't like the candidates screening either, i am able to accept it if this election brings out the majority of eligible voters to the poll. I am not going to sit on the sideline just because a representation of %5 of the Iranians is not present in the selection.

"Even so, when Khatamni or Rafsanjani won, they were basically figure-head (tashrifati) presidents and the power resided elsewhere (see below)."

Its not all that. The presedent does have certain power and Ahmadinejad has proven that so far.  As the head of administrative body, a president can be effective. He just needs to be gutsy. Your arguement does make sense about the two clowns you mentioned.

"the government has to agree to treat her citizens with respect and according the well known UN human rights charter, which IRI will never agree to, since the religious sect will lose its grip of Shari'a over civil laws. "

Stop thinking in black and whites. I like to see the UN charters respected in Iran too. But that is for the future, we are talking about today. Before we even get to that point, we need to reduce the religous entities grip on our politics. Lets take the first step first and worry about the future later.

از قدیم گفتند ؛ سنگ بزرگ نشانه نزدن است. 

"I cannot imagine that one religious sect decides what is kosher for a whole society as diverse as Iran, thinks that they are the chosen ones and everyone else has to conform to their mold. "

Get the majority on your side if you wish to be successful. Ironically, if you remove the "religious" from your sentence, it also explains all other opposition approaches to our problems. Do you see my point when i say, let the majority decide?

I am NO expert on Iranian politics and i really do not know where Ahmadinejad is taking us. But he has broken many taboos and has publicly and openly discredited some of the founding members of IR. He has broken IR ver.1.0 to the point of beyond repair. Never before in IR history we have seen so much openness and relative freedoms. Unlike all the clowns before him, he does have an economical plan and he is not afraid to make the hard decision. He is bold and Gutsy and has No Fear. The opposition abroad should learn leadership qualities from him.

If the events leading to the next election are normal events, then that would be the end of the modern rightwing era headed by Ahmadinejad. Unless the unexpected happens, a sudden death, a crackdown on the oligarchic class, or an internal military intervention.

But that possibility of that is very unlikely since Ahmadinejad has shown in two terms his responsibility and dedication to uphold the law which he has sworn to protect. Any illegal attempt at holding on to the government would make me and millions like me to stop our support for his faction. We are not Green and we don't believe in revolutionary approaches. We believe in evolution.

 

 

 

 


MM

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by MM on

As I eluted to earlier, I have a big problem with elections when there is a pre-screening of the candidates to IRI's mold, which makes the whole process a selection and not an election.  Even so, when Khatamni or Rafsanjani won, they were basically figure-head (tashrifati) presidents and the power resided elsewhere (see below).

Secondly, even if there were true elections, an Iranian president needs to worry about VF, and several other powerful committes who can take away any small power that the president feels he has.

Thirdly, the government has to agree to treat her citizens with respect and according the well known UN human rights charter, which IRI will never agree to, since the religious sect will lose its grip of Shari'a over civil laws.

And lastly, I cannot imagine that one religious sect decides what is kosher for a whole society as diverse as Iran, thinks that they are the chosen ones and everyone else has to conform to their mold.

You seem to have some ideas on where AN is going.  So, please tell us how to "fix" the problems I touched on, unless they are not problems for you, in which case, we are at odds on how a government should be run. 


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NP,

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Ghalibaf was a candidate in the 2005 election. He claimed that Khamenie suppoted his presidency ( wiki ). I personally think he is an oppurtunistic politician who has refused to clearly speaks his mind in critical times. ( He is a good manager it seems ). I would not vote for him simply because of his dealings with Rafsanjani & Co. by giving the metro construction contracts to firms close to Rafsanjani.

It would be odd if Larijani becomes a candidate for presidency. Less than a year ago when the parliament was electing a speaker, many newspapers and political commentaries were questioning Larijani's candidancy by arguing the wisdom in having two brothers as the heads of the parliament and the Judiciary. To have him as presidential candidate will face strong criticism. The problem is that he is also sympathetic to Rafsanjani and almost facilitated the legal ownership transfer of the azad university to Rafsanjani and Mousavi a few weeks ago. He is also very close to VF and a believer in the doctorine. He does have good negotiating skills. But he is NO secular, quite the opposite in fact. I would NOT vote for him.

Since after the parliament election which sent three reformist judges to the guardian council ( whom will join three appointed judges by VF ), I have lost any hope to see a person like Mashaie being validated by GC. I have to wait and see who will become available from my camp to give him my vote. But unfortunately, Ahmadinejad has pissed so many off and i doubt we will have a representative in the next election. I believe the stage is set for a reform win. ( Not the real reform though, if you know what i mean ).

With the removal of the subsidies by Ahmadinejad, I doubt you will see any ordinary Iranian casting their votes to our candidate , even if we had one. We are goners by the looks of it.

Hopefully, until the next government, we can break a few more taboos and challenge the status quo. Hopefully we can make it harder for any new government to push things back to the pre Ahmadinejad era. Hopefully we will make those hard economical corrections. We can still do a lot in three years, not like the incompetent reformists...

Its a bit early talking about election now. I hope Ahmadinejad pulls a rabbit in the last minute and pushes the oligarchy aside. who knows... I wonder about this myself.

 


Niloufar Parsi

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by Niloufar Parsi on

yeah it all seems to be about fred and fascist and their gang today!

what about ghalibaf? does he have secular leanings too? am wondering who might be the next pro-secular presidential candidate. larijani is certainly preparing to go for the post, and will probably be difficult to beat.

Peace


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NP,

by No Fear on

Unfortunately, the understanding of Iran's internal politics is very limited among IC members and their main source of information is mostly foreign media which adds to the problem as well.

I thought this piece of news which has been explosive in Iran , would generate some attention here, but i guess i was wrong.

Anyway...

Almost all of the politicians who have critisized Mashaie's comments belong to the rightwing conservatives camp who are strong advocates of VF. This faction is controled by the Larijani brothers. Clearly the rightwing camp is divided and the gap among them is widening. Ahmadinejad's team are more nationalistic and secular while the traditional conservatives are about political Islam. Almost all those who condemned Mashaie's comment are very close to Khamenie. This to me is indication of the deep differences between Khamenie and Ahmadinejad.

PS: Esfandyar Rahim Mashaie is my most favourite current Iranian politician and i follow his news and interviews. The other presidential advisor , Mr. Kalhor is also a shrewd politician and his comments are quite interesting. 


Niloufar Parsi

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by Niloufar Parsi on

this is a clear example supporting your long held argument about the more secular character of ahmadinejad's team. this is exactly the kind of discussion we should be having more of on this site. something that is really relevant to iran's internal politics and nuances that most of us are unaware of.

good job!

Peace


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واکنش حدادعادل به اظهارات مشایی

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رئیس کمیسیون فرهنگی مجلس مکتب مورد نظر حضرت امام را تنها اسلام دانست و نسبت به هرگونه زاویه ای از این دیدگاه انتقاد کرد.

//khabaronline.ir/news-82630.aspx


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MM,

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What if , there were NO election fraud?  All indicators point to Rafsanjani who mastermined the riots and the traditional ruling class which wanted its old grip on power.

Why did the riots mainly happened in Tehran? If this was a grand fraud, shouldn't all cities display same developements with the same intensity?

If the reformists win the next election, ( which they probably do since the three newly elected judges in the Guardian council are all reformists and they can disqualify other candidates ),  then what? Would you be happy that justice was finally served?  When Khatami and Rafsanjani were in power, they won with 90 percent votes. Do you like to see one heavy sided results like that?

What if you are wrong and there were NO fraud?

 


MM

امام جمعه تهران: ملی گرایی شرک است

MM


Who wins?

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If AN wanted to show his true patriatism, he would have joined the Iranian masses in demanding an accurate ballot accounting of the 2009 presidential elections.  Unfortunately, no one can believe that all ballots were counted 2 hours after the voting was completed, especially when Khamenei shut everyone out.  And, that will remain a dark stain in any efforts by AN to re-define himself.


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آيت‌الله يزدي: آقاي مشايي در مباحثي كه در شان وی نیست وارد نشود

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آيت‌الله شيخ محمد يزدي نائب رئيس مجلس خبرگان رهبري كه در واكنش به سخنان اخير اسفنديار رحيم‌مشائي در خصوص معرفي مكتب ايران به جاي مكتب اسلام اظهار داشت: بار ديگر آقاي مشايي در بحث‌هايي كه در شأن وي نيست، وارده شده و اظهارنظرهاي غلط و نابه‌جا كرده است.

//www.asriran.com/fa/news/129896/آيت‌الله-يزدي-آقاي-مشايي-در-مباحثي-كه-در-شان-وی-نیست-وارد-نشود


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اعتراض علی مطهری به اظهارات مشایی

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دکتر علی مطهری، نماینده مردم تهران به اظهارات اخیر مهندس مشایی رئیس دفتر رییس جمهور واکنش نشان داد.

//www.tabnak.ir/fa/pages/?cid=112511


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انتقاد سيداحمد خاتمی از طرح مبحث "مکتب ایرانی"

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يك عضو هيات رييسه مجلس خبرگان از طرح مباحثي مبني بر « مكتب ايراني اسلام» انتقاد كرد.

//www.asriran.com/fa/news/129777/انتقاد-سيداحمد-خاتمی-از-طرح-مبحث-مکتب-ایرانی


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آیت الله کعبی: برخی منصوبان رئیس‌جمهور، اندیشه‌های انحرافی را ..

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 عضو جامعه مدرسین حوزه علمیه قم، با انتقاد از سخنان برخی از افراد در خصوص ایران و اسلام تاکید کرد: اندیشه‌ای که در پی اسلام ایرانی و دنبال مکتب سازی ناسیونالیستی برای اسلام است، اندیشه‌ای انحرافی و در امتداد تفکر نهضت آزادی به شمار می‌آید.

//www.khabaronline.ir/news-81793.aspx


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انتقاد شدید توکلی از اظهارات اخیر مشایی

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رئیس مرکز پژوهشهای مجلس با انتقاد شدید نسبت به اظهارات اخیر مسئول دفتر رئیس جمهور مبنی بر لزوم ترویج «مکتب ایرانی» به جای «مکتب اسلام» ، ضمن بیان اینکه مجلس در قبال این مواضع سکوت نخواهد کرد، از رئیس جمهور خواست تا تکلیف خود را نسبت به مشایی و موضع گیری هایش روشن کند

//www.khabaronline.ir/news-81805.aspx


No Fear

huh?

by No Fear on

Where did he mention anything about shi'ism?


comrade

Shrouded mission

by comrade on

He meant the Shi'a sect of Iran, not national things of Iran. Are you, OSTAAD, still kidding us?

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