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MKO = Communists

Anybody seen the MKO Communist flag?  White backround and Red Sickle and Machine Gun?

They would replace the Lion and Sun or Allah with A Machine Gun and Sickle.  Enough Said... 

Thanks for reminding me

Mr Kazemzadeh

Your words reminded me of an incredibly identical feature of your "Imam", Mossadegh, and their Imam, Khoemini:

"If our intellectuals and scholars in 1978 told the people about Khomeini’s policies in 1963 such as his opposition to the land reform, to female franchise, then it would have been almost impossible for Khomeini to deceive the people."

Now here is the question:

What was common between Mossadegh and Khomeini:

• both were opposed to land reforms
• both were opposed to female franchise

(your words, not mine)

BTW - all you could come up with against my earlier comparative factual lists was some farcical comments. I hope you do better this time.

The list is not exhaustive.

Dear Masoud

Good news is that right now we have plenty of knowledge. Of the Shah; Khomeini; the left and the JM. That goodness for that. No one is able to claim ignorance. In fact thanks for 30+ years of exile we are well versed in many political systems such as USA; UK; various other European and Australia. I hope we stop being so easily impressed with ideas from big dictatorial charismatic leaders on left and right.

Instead use the well tested ideas from the rest of the world. Pick the parts that work and integrated them into our own culture. Then provide an Iranian system which is both free and Iranian.

Dear Fooladi

Dear fooladi,

I agree with everything you wrote. I would add that in addition to a lack of knowledge about ideologies, our people also lack knowledge about our history. BOTH are caused by the ruling regimes (monarchy and the fundamentalist regime) in Iran being afraid that such knowledge would threaten their rule. So, they wanted the people to only have basic education so that they could be used as mere producers.

If our intellectuals and scholars in 1978 told the people about Khomeini’s policies in 1963 such as his opposition to the land reform, to female franchise, then it would have been almost impossible for Khomeini to deceive the people. If our scholars would have asked Khomeini about his support of Sheikh Fazlollah Nouri, then our people would have learned about Khomeini’s absolute dictatorial and reactionary nature.

What still amazes me is how little the world knows about the utter reactionary nature of Khomeini. That is our fault. We need to do our job.

You are right that the fundamentalist regime’s mass slaughter of the leftists in Iran was celebrated by the Reagan and Thatcher administrations. What is weird is that the agents of the fundamentalist regime use the leftists in the U.S. and in Europe who know very little about the fascistic and reactionary nature of the rulers in Iran as "useful idiots."

I hope that you post your ideas here. It is essential that Iranian leftists communicate their knowledge about the reactionary fundamentalist regime to the world.

Best regards,

Masoud

Thank you!

Thank you so very much all for participating in a most interesting discussion.  I am indebted to all of you for taking the time to comment and to shed light on what has always appeared like a mystery to me.  Thank you for helping to put together a good source of information and thoughts on the subject for others to use.  I have learned a lot and I thank all of you for your kindness and good spirit.

Masoud agha, Thanks for the response.

Yes, the communists were effectively decimated by Islamic regime. I believe that was the main objective of CIA/MI5. Hopefully, one day, in a democratic republic of Iran, the citizens would have the right to join any political organistion without fear of persecution, jail, torture and execution. Then we would know for sure the real support level for any political organisation or ideology.

I was hoping to invoke a general discussion about the political groupings in Iran and use that to try to gain a common understanding of recent historical events in Iran, from different ideological perspectives. I failed on that. Instead accusation of "treason" started to fly. I wish I knew what it means to be a "traitor"? maybe I start a blog on that!

But this lack of discussion of political ideologies has created a vaccume of political awareness amongst the iranian masses , which has enabled likes of Khomeini to gain power at such relative ease.

Europe at it again

There is only one thing worse than IRI and that is the PMOI. Europe will do its best to assist another religious dictatorship get to the helm in Iran. It's time for secularism. 

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Benross,

Your words clearly indicate that you are a fascist who wants to impose a one-party dictatorship.

Freedom includes the freedom of the Iranian people to have political organizations including the JM (Iran’s oldest and largest democratic organization). Democracy means the people can vote for whatever political party they want. It is NONE of your business to restrict the Iranian people’s choice for parties.

You are a fascist monarchist, according to YOUR own words. This fascist Rastakhiz project has been implemented and failed. You have a terribly dictatorial mind. Fortunately, the majority of the Iranian people are too advanced for your reactionary dictatorial project.

MK

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Farah Rusta and IRI’s Ministry of Intelligence Torturers

both are reactionary

both are anti-democratic

both hate Dr. Mossadegh

both are dictatorial

Farah Rusta and SAVAK Torturers

both are reactionary

both are anti-democratic

both hate Dr. Mossadegh

both are dictatorial

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mahmoudg,

Freedom includes the right to be against any religion and exercise this. Freedom also includes to be religious and exercise it. The only things forbidden are those that are criminal such as killing others, threatening others, or physically harming others.

In the post-fundamentalist Iran, you will have the right to publicize your views on Islam. In the post-fundamentalist Iran, others have the right to worship as they see fit in their mosques, churches, synagogues, temples, etc.

This is not rocket science. We should have a system that exists in the democratic world. For example, in the U.S., you can practice your religion or be atheist. Live and let live. No one imposes their views on others. Each freely propagates his/her views. People can choose to accept, reject, or ignore them.

MK

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Dear Rea,

Thank you for the clip. The crowd shown on the video is smaller than 30,000. From what the video shows, it appears that it is about 1,000 to 2,000.

Best,

MK

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Professor Mammad,

Mammad: Why do you think that the 85% of the students that want a republic actually support the National Front? The NF is not the only organization that supports a republican system..

MK: Did you actually read my post? This is what I wrote.

The 85% of course includes JM, communists, ethnic parties (Hezb Democrat Kurdestan Iran), PMOI, and other republicans who say they, too, want democracy

Mammad: In my opinion, the first principle of any politically-active person is to be realistic.

Do not get me wrong. I adore Dr. Mohammad Mosaddegh, and I believe, presumably like you, that a nationalist democratic republic is the best possible way of governance for Iran. Dr. Mosaddegh is my hero.

But, in your writings here, you often overlook part of the history of the NF. For example, some of the NF members participated in the Bazargan government.You can sa, well they l;eft quickly. True, but so did also Bazargan, as soon as he recognized that he could not continue.

The trip of Dr. Sanjabi to Paris in the Fall of 1978 and his declration of support are well-known. The fact that Dr. Shapour Bakhtiar was expelled from the NF, as soon as he accepted to be the Shah's PM, is well-known. The whole history of how the NF handled and approached the Revolution is well known. During the fall of 1978, the NF often called for general strike and demonstrations. But, you make it sound like the NF was just an innocent by-stander. I do not believe that these are things to be ashamed of, or that by not mentioning them they can be forgotten. 　

MK: This post was on the PMOI. In a posting at i.c, this is what I wrote:

//iranian.com/main/2008/fatal-attractions

After the 1979 revolution, about one-third of cabinet posts - including foreign minister, defense minister, labor minister, and minister of treasury - were held by INF members. On April 15, 1979, Dr. Karim Sanjabi, INF leader and foreign minister, along with other INF ministers, resigned in protest against arbitrary arrests, gross violations of due process in revolutionary courts, and mass executions by revolutionary courts operating outside the provisional government's authority and under the direct control of Ayatollah Khomeini.

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In June 1981 INF was declared apostate by Khomeini and consequently was severely repressed..

Mammad: P.S.: Some of your statements regarding the MKO, Dr. Shariati, Ayatollah Taleghani, and Freedom Movement are wrong, but they are not the issue here. But, just so that others who read this threat to earn, if they do not know it, I quote the first sentence of the first statement that the FM issued in 1341 (1962):

We are Iranian, Muslim, Constitutionalist, and believe in peaceful struggle.

The defined what the FM was. It stayed loyal to it. It is still loyal to it.

MK: If any statement in my post is wrong, you should quote the statement, so that I and others know what you are referring to. This is what I wrote about Nehzat Azadi:

"Nehzat Azadi was an Islamist organization. This means that they transformed Islam into their political ideology. Nehzat Azadi did not use violence."

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Dear fooladi,

I quoted one internet poll by the DTV in Amir Kabir Univ of the students there. DTV that conduced that, itself was fully with the reformist wing of the fundamentalist oligarchy (which got 4% of the support of the students).

Of course what the students think is not what the whole population thinks. But it is an indication.

According to that poll, the whole fundamentalist system (hard-liners and reformist combined) constituted about 10% of the population.

According to that poll, the monarchists constituted 5%.

The democratic republican (jomhuri democratic) option was supported by 85% of respondents.

I made a guess about the relative size of the various groups whose supporters would vote for democratic republic.

The communists were very active in the 1970s and 1980s. It is a simple fact that we do not witness much activities by the communists. Just look at this site. How many posts do you see that posts a link to what various Marxist groups say and do???????? Compare that with posts by Mossadeghis, monarchists, the agents and supporters of the fundamentalist terrorist regime (open and not-so-open posters).

In my opinion, the communists would get somewhere between 1 and 5 percent of the votes. Please share with us, YOUR opinion.

Thanks,

MK

Don't worry VPK. It was just

Don't worry VPK. It was just a test and shortly they will realize that the test has failed. West can not regroup the opposition. It can only look and see what is out there. Being regrouped is our job.

Benross

I am afraid you are right about West being dumb and giving MKO a go. Bush did give  Chalebi a go until it was so obvious even CIA had to take note. There is an immense degree of stupidity in American analysis. I suspect it has to do with the nature of its analysts.

USA policy makers base their actions on "advisers". They almost always have divided loyalties. Brzezinski to Poland; Kissinger to Israel and so on. Thus while smart are not working for the USA. USA should pay more attention to the advisers than their degrees.

VPK

MKO is by far the

MKO is by far the most useful espionage entity to the West

It's a good guess. Their organizational structure is very efficient. But with millions of Iranians, many of them dissidents, abroad, I don't think the West has shortage of venues for espionage.

My guess is that the West is dumb enough to give a go to MKO to evaluate its potential acceptability as the backbone of an alternative.

MM jaan

Well said. Yes, we should accept the low ranking MKO and give them a good bath. Then accept them back into the human race. In fact IRI would be wise to do the same. Deprive the MKO leadership of its troops. Anyone who supports MKO needs help. The low rank types may be saved; the leadership deserves the mercy of IRI.

If IRI

did one thing right it was to destroy MKO in Iran. Remind me to thank them. These garbage wanted to give away Khuzestan to Saddam. Their members are insane with their self burning. Now compare that to Reza Pahlavi and ask yourselves whom you rather have? Heck even Mousavi and Karroubi are more sane that it.

My guess on Western support for MKO

The low ranking MKO are suffering

For years, the low ranking MKO members have wanted out, but either could not because of camp Ashraf or they were marked as un-wanted.  The way to deal with MKO is to give amnesty to the low ranking MKO members (after apologies to the Iranian people) who have been wanting to get out of that stink-bath for a long time, welcome them with open arms to the Diaspora and make them our ally instead of advesaries.

MKO garbage

MKO is a rotten Islamits cult worse than the IRI.

They are anti democratic and anti human. Anyone who knowingly goes to an MKO rally is either an ignorant moron or a traitor or worse. 

Just see who shows up: John Bolton the most rotten of all US neocon "ambassadors". The same people who gave support to Khomeini i.e. the EU and France are behind MKO. If there is one way to unite Iranians behind IRI it would be the thought of MKO ruling.

That is probably why IRI supporters i.e. EU are scaring us with MKO. So that we fall in line behind the IRI. No to EU; No to MKO; No to IRI. Yes: to real secular democracy.

MM

I said you are mostly wrong but it doesn't matter. Meaning what you just said is a snapshot of what anybody can perceive in this information age. This snapshot doesn't give anybody depth of view, but a clear choice. And that's good enough. It doesn't provide a perspective on how to deal with this group in unpredictable future events, but I suppose you don't foresee such dilemma in your future. No big deal.

benross - I am mostly wrong?

I said MKO

* is a cult

* MKO wants to put their "own version" of Shai'a as the law (the definition of Islamist) with the Rajavi duo at the helm

* was in bed with Khomeini and Saddam depending on what served them the best.

* was as brutal as IRI, if not worst.

But, I guess I was wrong?  Hummmm.

Dear DK

I signed the petition. But please don't try to trivialize the issue at hand. If after 30 years, the best thing we can do is to click on 'sign' of an electronic petition, it is simply because we still have some unfinished business which is fundamental. I'm not here for popularity contest. 

Was Mossadegh a reactionary?

Apparently this question has engaged a few readers on this blog and no answer is yet provided. I thought perhaps I can help.

Before I begin, I must say that I do not expect to convince people who view Mossadegh with a pair of rose-tinted glasses or those who use highly emotive language (like I adore him) when refer to him. I can't imagine such language to have a place in the age of political correctness.

I leave the judgment to the dispassionate/objective readers.

FR

DK: your humble opinion is appreciated....

"There are Much More Urgent Matters at Stake for our compatriots back home"

Masoud agha; thanks for your "Condensed history of Iranian left"!!. Please share with the rest of us mortals the sources of your data on support level (5%, 10%, etc) for political factions in Iran. Otherwise we assume these were your wishful thinking.

Niloofar Parsi: Welcome back! Yes, TRAITOR is the word, next time you look at your reflection in the mirror......

Benross, Oktaby: So long as we recite Mullahs accusations against their enemies, there will only be a divided opposition and Iran will be in the same mess as she has been for the past 31 years. I am glad to say that young people in Streets of Tehran seem to share my views, and that is why the islamic regime is so frightened and shaken. We all have the choice of reading the history in it's "condensed version" as presented by our friend Masoud agha, or we can read it from multiple, "uncondensed" sources and view and interpret it accordingly.

This is My humble opinion. and with DK's humble opinion in mind, I move on...

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No one said you cannot express your opinion. You have full rights and freedom to do so, and you do, and you should.

But, by the same token, once you expressed your opinion publicly, you can also be criticized by those who exercise their right, just like you. Do you see a problem with that?

And, instead of using a complex language and deviating from the subject, explain, if you will, why Dr. Mosaddegh is a nagging, reactionary, irritating icon. Enlighten the people. Perhaps, those who still believe in him may revise their thinking after reading your explanation.

And, while slogans are fine at a certain level, Iranian.com is NOT a vehicle to talk to Iranian people INSIDE Iran. Just try to hook up with many extensive social networks that have been formed in Iran through the internet and e-mail. See whether anybody quotes this site. Many of these social networks publish daily summaries of the most important articles published on the internet both inside and outside Iran. See whether one from the IC is ever even mentioned.

Mammad

Dr. Kazemzadeh

Why do you think that the 85% of the students that want a republic actually support the National Front? The NF is not the only organization that supports a republican system, and with all due respect, it is not what you try to picture it here as a powerful organization appealing to the Iranian youth. Many of their leaders in the US who live in southern California are my friends, including members of the provisional council of the NF in the US, and none makes the claims that you make. In my opinion, the first principle of any politically-active person is to be realistic.

Do not get me wrong. I adore Dr. Mohammad Mosaddegh, and I believe, presumably like you, that a nationalist democratic republic is the best possible way of governance for Iran. Dr. Mosaddegh is my hero.

But, in your writings here, you often overlook part of the history of the NF. For example, some of the NF members participated in the Bazargan government.You can sa, well they l;eft quickly. True, but so did also Bazargan, as soon as he recognized that he could not continue.

The trip of Dr. Sanjabi to Paris in the Fall of 1978 and his declration of support are well-known. The fact that Dr. Shapour Bakhtiar was expelled from the NF, as soon as he accepted to be the Shah's PM, is well-known. The whole history of how the NF handled and approached the Revolution is well known. During the fall of 1978, the NF often called for general strike and demonstrations. But, you make it sound like the NF was just an innocent by-stander. I do not believe that these are things to be ashamed of, or that by not mentioning them they can be forgotten.

Mammad

P.S.: Some of your statements regarding the MKO, Dr. Shariati, Ayatollah Taleghani, and Freedom Movement are wrong, but they are not the issue here. But, just so that others who read this threat to earn, if they do not know it, I quote the first sentence of the first statement that the FM issued in 1341 (1962):

We are Iranian, Muslim, Constitutionalist, and believe in peaceful struggle.

The defined what the FM was. It stayed loyal to it. It is still loyal to it.

only when people like me can have the freedom to speak

my views, which is Anti Islam, but for freedom, can we truly say democracy has arrived.  if they want to kill or imprisone, people like me, then we are back to yet another form of dictatorship and things would have changed little if any,

Common...

Neither, Mousavi, nor Mosaddegh dye(d) his hair. Well, Mosaddegh had not much reason!

I am not trying to trivialize this blog which has generated some valued comments; my silly remark points out a dictator's need to look young forever.

BTW: He was, unjustifiably, called Masoud soosool back then.

Never late to learn....//davidharvey.org/reading-capital/

Ladies and Gentlemen Mohtaram While we are Fighting eachother

There are Much More Urgent Matters at Stake for our compatriots back home:

MKO, is a traitor to Iran & its own forming intentions

Almost as big a traitor as khomeini & islamic regime.

MKO wants power and at any price and will sink as low as needed to get it. Even with islamists he never had a chance; He just did not know it. Had MKO not been outmaneuvered & smarted by khomeini et al, they would have created something as oppressive but possibly less mortaje' than IRR. But only possibly. I think trying to define various scenarios of MKO vs. IRR or khomeini vs Rajavi comparisons is an exercise in futility. Scum is scum.

As for followers, those who in the west support MKO are an even sorrier groupthan those supporting IRR's various forms in Iran or on IC. 

OKtaby

They can't be all cult followers

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjwTdc9ubzc

What is common between ...

Rajavi and Mossadegh

• both used Islam for political gains
• both claimed were cheated in elections
• both were tried in military courts
• both received the clemecy of the Pahlavi justice
• both had their followers used and later dumped by Khomeini

Rajavi and Bakhtiar:

• both were recipients of Saddam's generosity
• both tried and failed to secure American support
• both were targets of Khomeinis death squads-one a victim
• both were one time Parisians
• both remarried in exile (Rajavi twice) to much younger wives

Rajavi and Mousavi:

• both were one time Khomeini' supporters (one still is)
• both mislead their followers
• both are happy to sit back and let the followers martyred
• both are outsmarted by their wives
• both of their wives wore non Islamic dress before 1979

These lists are not exhaustive. Contributions are welcome.

FR

Thank you for quoting

Thank you for quoting me.

For those who can't read Persian, this is my take.

In my fascist mind, I want freedom of expression and freedom of association for Iran. I don't allocate this freedom to pre-fabricated reactionary groups like yours which were the main obstacle to achieve that freedom. It's so generous of you to set-up your 'multiple parties' in your back-room negotiations. But I don't recognize these existing political formations. A political project that wants to implement freedom of expression and freedom of association, is only speaking to Iranian people. It's for them to decide, once freedom achieved, what they want to associate with. This is the difference between you and your icon arbaab mentality about pluralism, and the true pluralism of all Iranian citizens. They are not ra'iyats. They decide for themselves how they want to be politically organized. They won't let you decide for them, as they didn't so far.