Can Obama escape the dominating influence of AIPAC?
Payvand News of Iran / Debbie Menon
12-Feb-2009 (16 comments)

No one in Mainstream US media, is addressing the real problem which is, the fact that nothing contrary to Zionist, Israeli and American Jewish lobbies, AIPAC and other Pacs interests, which are all-dominating in the American political scene, will go very far.  Anyone who supports such a move will have no tomorrow in American politics or business. They will be Finkelsteined to death by the Zionist assassins.

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Farhad Kashani

The only problem and

by Farhad Kashani on

The only problem and challenge the world, not only Obama, faces is your beloved Fascist IRI regime.

 

The first result of the collapse of the IRI regime is the fair and permanent peace between Arabs and Israelis.

 

Everything that Israel does when it comes to the IRI regime is in self defense against IRI’s aggression. Nothing more, nothing less. IRI started irrational animosity between Israel and Iran, Israel didn’t.

   

Until IRI is in power, the world will never see peace.

 


Asghar_Massombagi

The United States

by Asghar_Massombagi on

is at best a circumvented democracy.  There has always been a ruling class that sets the general framework for political change.  The ruling class, about %2-5% of the population, owns most of the wealth and the media.  It bankrolls universities and think tanks.  It owns polling companies and PR firms.  It hires the lobbyists and finances politicians campaigns. They're the captains of the industries.  They have the ear of the politicians.  The rest of us have to operate within the parametes they set.  No one can become the president of the United States unless it is approved at least by segments of the ruling class.  Remeber Ross Perot or Ron Paul? It doesn't matter what the people vote for. If it can't pass through the ruling class the chances are it won't be implemented.  Only major social upheavals can upset this applecart, say the antiwar and counter culture movement of the sixties.  The proof of this is that AIPAC which at most can claim a base among 3% of US population (given all American Jews are pro-AIPAC which is not the case) controls American foreign policy like no other vested interest in US history.  Mind you, as Noam Chomsky once noted this is only so because US interest in the mid-East has been closely aligned with that of Israel.


Abarmard

Chakerim ostaad

by Abarmard on

:)


Ostaad

Abarmard, when it comes to political assasintations, AIPAC...

by Ostaad on

is not just "like the Mafia", it IS the Mafia. Sorry I didn't get your point in your original post. I thought you're referring to secrecy and things like that.


Abarmard

LOL

by Abarmard on

I did not understand your comment at all!

Good, I am what you say I am, good for you to realize. Make sure that you won't be fooled as I have been. Now be happy and continue LOL.


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To Abarmard: Clueless

by LOL (not verified) on

I couldn't believe my eyes when I read in the other thread last week or so how you shamelssly tried (ALL IN VAIN as usual) to exonerate/whitewash the entire IRI establishment in spite of all the incriminating evidences out there some even put forward/revealed by the regime's own offical news media.

If I were ignorant, I would certainly "bah bah va chah chah" to every bs you spew in here.


Abarmard

anonymous fish

by Abarmard on

I am not from Qom nor Salt Lake City.

Did you read the article? Perhaps that would help you see the Mafia tactic, [political] assassination!


capt_ayhab

my 2 cents

by capt_ayhab on

One of the contributing factors for loss of credibility of US in the ME and entire world is his blind support of everything and anything Israel does.

If New administration is to gain any trust and credibility that they have lost, they must stand up against all the lobby groups, including IRA lobby and AIPAC.

capt_ayhab [-YT]


anonymous fish

laughing...

by anonymous fish on

i hear you and i agree with you in theory.  and i'll admit i don't read everything abarmard puts out there.  so maybe he's just as IRI as it gets.  he could be a flag waving turban wearing mullah with 20 wives for all i know.  i'm just saying that he didn't say anything that most americans don't already know... except the mafia tactics comment. :-)


Abarmard

anonymous fish

by Abarmard on

Yes it's the Iranian "thing" :)

Clueless people. I guess to some, ignorance is bliss. Not worth explaining more.

 


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To Anonymous Fish

by LOL (not verified) on

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it certainly is a duck.

I don't know if you've been to Iran lately or follow up the news on Iran but if somebody can comfortably in clear conscience close his/her eyes and ears to all that is going on in Iran and pretend (big time!) that everything is dandy and always la vie en rose over there and that there ain't nothing wrong with what's going on there justifying all that shamelessly by hypocritically saying that we should not see things over there as black or white, then I am either insane, or have an agenda. I don't think he is insane.


anonymous fish

it never ceases to amaze me

by anonymous fish on

never never never never

you're either one or the other.  how is anything abarmard saying making him an IRI supporter?  i don't usually agree with him but damn!  is this an iranian thing or a guy thing?  :-)

the article makes some good points.  i'm very much pro-jewish (or pro-israel if you've GOT to make such a declaration) but i don't think anyone in the US would really deny that the apron strings need to be cut.  it could easily be iran next time if the iranian-americans start putting some real muscle behind THEIR voice.  it's a fact that it's been allowed to happen.  and it's time to focus on the US.  i personally think israel can take care of herself without this much help from us.

i don't think my kid is a bad kid when he spends too much time and money on his girlfriend... he just needs to curb it.

 


Ostaad

AIPAC working like the Mafia?!! nah...

by Ostaad on

Aarmard, I'm not sure where you live, but if you were in the US and interested in the ME politics, you'd know there's nothing secret or bellow the radar about AIPAC and its activities. AIPAC maintains well funded offices, albeit funds come from the right wing Zionist groups and individuals, its lobbyists roam the halls of power in Washington, DC and the who's-who of the US political echelons attend its annual meetings to be wined and dined (kosher, of course) to deliver passionate speeches about how proud they are to support Israel as an "ally". The latest dinner featured Obama, Hillary and so on.

AIPAC does not shy away from boasting its power because that's exactly what attracts powerful and wealthy right wing Zionist contributors. It is a registered lobby organization just like any other political lobby group. What has changed is the political realization by a lot of American, although to a lesser degree by their politicians for now, that AIPAC represents very hard core right wing Zionist Jews in the US who represent righ wing parties like Likud, whose policies do jeopardize the US national interests (see my post about Steve Rosen, Keith Weisman and Larry Franklin. Three people accused for spying for Israel in the US against Iran).

The American Jews, who do not susbcribe to the Israel-first and right wing Zionist groups polcies of no-questions-asked support for Israel's policies of occupation and war crimes, have created an alternative lobby group which is by no means as powerful as AIPAC, but the last election showed they have a good chance to become as ,or more, powerful as AIPAC. This new lobby is called JStreet and here's the link to their web site.

//www.jstreet.org

Ba dorood-e faravaan 


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To Abarmard

by LOL (not verified) on

Go fight the whole U.S. establishment, no the whole world for all anybody cares to save your beloved IRI from its unavoidable doom ... lol


Abarmard

Alborzi

by Abarmard on

I believe that's the point the article makes. There is no scape. I found it very informative to know how the power of AIPAC grew.

To me they seem to operate in a mafia style tactics. AIPAC is only successful because no one really hears about them. I believe it's time to change that.


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No it will not

by Alborzi (not verified) on

Its very interesting, the stimulus shows that even though Obama was elected in a landslide and the democrats control the congress, he is helpless facing the forces. The only thing is that he may not pursue stupid policies, yet he cannot make a substantial policy change either. The US foreign policy, AIPAC have an inertia that Obama cannot halt.