'We Could Destroy All European Capitals'
26-Jan-2009 (9 comments)

An Israeli professor and military historian hinted that Israel could avenge the holocaust by annihilating millions of Germans and other Europeans. Speaking during an interview which was published in Jerusalem Friday, Professor Martin Van Crevel said Israel had the capability of hitting most European capitals with nuclear weapons. "We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets of our air force." Creveld, a professor of military history at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, pointed out that "collective deportation" was Israel's only meaningful strategy towards the Palestinian people. "The Palestinians should all be deported. The people who strive for this (the Israeli government) are waiting only for the right man and the right time. Two years ago, only 7 or 8 per cent of Israelis were of the opinion that this would be the best solution, two months ago it was 33 per cent, and now, according to a Gallup poll, the figure is 44 percent." Creveld said he was sure that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon wanted to deport the Palestinians. "I think it's quite possible that he wants to do that. He wants to escalate the conflict. He knows that nothing else we do will succeed." Asked if he was worried about Israel becoming a rogue state if it carried out a genocidal deportation against Palestinians, Creveld quoted ... >>>

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rosie is roxy is roshan

It is a good question, what does he mea by it? The

by rosie is roxy is roshan on

I am not sure why he doesnt just advocate non-intervetion and stopping the settlers and normalizig relations and so forth, since the rest of his politics is pretty progressive. That is a very good question since his politics seem to be reasonable. Maybe you need to read him, he has actually several books.

Now here is a funny thing about the poster of this blog, he posted several good feeds from sources that you or I would probably use too yesterday. So I don't know where that one before it, the anti-Semitic one came from. People are funy.

Talking about people being funny, if you write me your e-mail address to rjgoldbird@aol.com with your name in the subject line, I can explain to you a little furter about the moderation issue. Thx,



It wasn't a waste of time, Rosie

by Mehrnaz (not verified) on

Thanks Rosie, for the search, it wasn't a waste of time at all. We both learnt and it is a relief to see that there is a mad powerful person less! It put things on a rather different perspective. What he says about Iranians being mad if they didn't make a bomb, just reminded me that of course, I do know him, I had forgotten the name. Although he still makes assumptions about Iranian bomb, but I think the idea behind it is perceptive and fair. I have not read him, but according to your extracts, when in relation to the conflict between Palestinians and israel, he says, there is nothing that can be done, I am not certain whether he means that, or whether he is talking about that sort of dilemma if nothing else changes in the equation. Because of course in relation to the Palestinians, things can be done to achieve peace ... and I think that has been the crux of the matter because of the Zionist project of expansion.

It is good to see someone one thought was a mad enemy is neither mad nor an enemy :)

rosie is roxy is roshan

Okay, so here goes: He is not a crackpot, he is one of the most

by rosie is roxy is roshan on

 respected military theorists and historians in the world, w/an article in wiki. He did say it in 2003 to make a point about the capability of the Israeli army which he does not want to use (see first excerpt below). Next time I will google before I even open my mouth. Here are some other things he's said around and since 2003 (w/one commentof mine in paren, the rest from wiki, emphasis mine):

His book argues that we are seeing a decline of the nation-state, without a comparable decline in organized violence. Moreover, in his view, armies consistently train and equip to fight a conventional war, rather than the LICs they are likely to face. Consequently, it is imperative that nation states change the training of their armed forces and rethink their weapon procurement programs.

(In other words, THEY SHOULD NOT BOMB, etc.-me)

In a TV interview in 2002, he expressed doubts as to the ability of the Israeli army to defeat the Palestinians:

They [Israeli soldiers] are very brave people... they are idealists... they want to serve their country and they want to prove themselves. The problem is that you cannot prove yourself against someone who is much weaker than yourself. They are in a lose/lose situation. If you are strong and fighting the weak, then if you kill your opponent then you are a scoundrel... if you let him kill you, then you are an idiot. So here is a dilemma which others have suffered before us, and for which as far as I can see there is simply no escape.

In the August 21, 2004 edition of the International Herald Tribune van Creveld wrote, "Had the Iranians not tried to build nuclear weapons, they would be crazy."].

In 2005, van Creveld made headlines when he said in an interview that the 2003 Invasion of Iraq was "the most foolish war since Emperor Augustus in 9 BC sent his legions into Germany and lost them", a reference to the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest, (which actually took place in AD 9). His analysis included harsh criticism of the Bush Administration, comparing the war to the Vietnam war. Moreover, he said that "Bush deserves to be impeached and, once he has been removed from office, put on trial." [8]

In 2007, van Creveld commented that

 Iran is the real victor in Iraq, and the world must now learn to live with a nuclear Iran the way we learned to live with a nuclear Soviet Union and a nuclear China....


C'mo, Mr. (Ms.) Poster, how much time will I have to spend discrediting your a-s non-news feeds? I will get very quick at it if I have to, but why bother? Can't you just find REAL news? There are enough terrible things the Israelis do without having to comb through the catacombs of the I'net to prove that "Jews have horns" as the medeival Europeans would sometimes say, thinking of course of the devil..




How is it digested in Israel, is the question

by Mehrnaz (not verified) on

I saw this posting elsewhere and its relevance is whether it is shared by a constituency and how it is received within Israel itself. I would wonder whether such dangerous lunatic who seems to be suffering from paranoid delusions would continue as a Professor in an Israeli university or will be discharged. Of course the idea of hitting the EU is insane both in its genesis and its consequences, but so is the idea of hitting Iran, which is pretty mainstream ... I think such postings must also be viewed in the context of frequent - and unquestioned - postings regarding the threat Palestinians or Iran pose to the world and such lies so deceptively put in quotation as one of the postings here: "our Islam will take over Europe"... and "all non muslims are sub humans"... However, these virulent rubbish go down easily and unquestionably because they are attributed to the leaders in Iran and fit in with the mainstream Islamo/Iranophobia. The aforementioned Professor is not an exception in virluance, he is just taken it too far threatening 'friends'. When Alan Dershowitz, the distinguished Harward Professor, said in relation to the 2006 Israel's invasion of Lebanon (Huffington Post) that all Lebanese are legitimate targets of Israeli violence, paying the price for supporting terrorism, it did not raise eyebrows. However, when Hamas in the midst of Israeli slaughter of children said "now you have made your own children the legitimate target" and "your people anywhere in the world are now the legitimate target", that caused some shrieks of fear and disgust. It was of course immediately interpreted as meaning Jews, although the word Jew was not used.

Anyway, we should attribute relevance according to how it is taken where it comes from, and whether it is manufactured or the truth.

rosie is roxy is roshan

To the fish below, The professor..

by rosie is roxy is roshan on

 is alunatic. There are and have always been apocalyptic lunatics on fringes of all sides of all major geopolitical discussions. He is no exception to the rule that there are always exceptions. Do you reaaly think it is the intention of even the Israeli extremists to wage war on the EU?

Bring it on as you know is what Bush said in Iraq and boy did they bring it on. What do YOU hhope to accomplish, "the greatest" ,by reiterating the dastardly and stupid phrase?

The last "newsfeed" posted by the poster of this feed was some article with random quotes from various Jewish texts over two plus millennia which portray Jews as seeing non-Jews as subhuman. It wasn't even news and it was no different from the current stupid blog being featured on Islam and Surrender which makes all Muslims out to be idiots who are themselves prey therefore to apocalyptic agendas. Same ol same ol. Yawn yawn if it didn't have such tragic consequences, this kind of rhetoric. I have seen it over and over again on this site. Muslims ARE this way because Islam IS this way...over and over since time immemorial on these threads. Now it is the Jews too. This feeder believes these things.

That is why I ask the feeder where he comes up with these things? (S)he ust work pretty hard at it...and what could the motivation be except the "a-s" word?

Chill out, will you, "The greatest"? Have a beer and watch a video of an old Muhammad Ali goxing match, you will feel better. The situation is bad enough worldwide, we don't need you going ballistic too.

--Non-Zionist Jew


Zionism at its worst!

by the greatest (not verified) on

To all those Zionists, occupiers, filths, necons, scums of this earth represented by this mad professor - I hesitate to give him title of professor! -.........


Farhad Kashani

At least Israel said "we

by Farhad Kashani on

At least Israel said "we could" and this is the first time. IRI has been saying non stop for 30 years that "our Islam will take over Europe"...and "our faith will destroy all Kafars in the world"...and "all non muslims are sub humans"...

Who are you tryin to fool? Even after the Gaza war and as upset as people are with Israel over what it did, in the eyes of the world, Israel has a zillion times more respect than the barbaric regime of IRI, a regime that you are betraying Iran with by supporting it.

rosie is roxy is roshan

If he really said it and meant it in the way this feed

by rosie is roxy is roshan on

implies, he is such a wingnut, like neo-Nazis and Iranians who wanted neocons to carpet bomb Iran. Whatever he says is irrelevant, he's a lunatic. SMBB you seem to be intent on portraying Jews in general as dangerous people anathema to humanity judging from your last feed on Judaism itself, now this one on an Israeli who is so flagrantly out of the loop of even the worst extremists...Where do you come up with these feeds of yours? Ingenious...


May be...

by sadroups (not verified) on

IRI should have the nukes after all...