Racism at Stanford

Veiled Prophet of Khorasan
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan
04-Jan-2011
 

This man confuses IR with Iranian people. He is so short sighted as to not even realize there is a sizeable number of Iranian Jews. Here is an exerpt from a letter he wrote to an Iranian student . I took it from a letter from NIAC:

In one email to an Iranian graduate student, the professor responded to an inquiry about admission to his department saying, “even if I were in a position to help, I will not help Iranian students until Iran recognizes and respects Israel as the land of the Jewish people.”  The professor went on to write, “If Iranians want the benefits of Stanford and other institutions in the US, they have to respect the values we hold in the US…” 

This idiot thinks that Iranian students somehow set IR policy or are responsible for it. In reality Iranian students are the main power opposing IR. Regardless what does Computer Science have to do with support for Israel? Is this guy an American or Israeli? Maybe he should move to his REAL country and open up room for an AMERICAN professor. 

Below is a link to the full NIAC posting

//www.niacouncil.org/site/DocServer/Stanford_Discrimination_Letter.pdf/

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Parthianshot91

Parthian, why'd you have to copy my cool name? huh?

by Parthianshot91 on

 The "Liberal" (whatever that means) are usally the people who suck up to the anti-Iranian american crowed and start pointing fingers at their own people out of self-hate and insecurity. The "conservative" Iranians are usally the one's who stand up and defend Iranians no matter where they may be, cause they actually got some balls and common sense. Further more, us "conservative" Iranians who are nationalists and secular would be considered as liberals in Iran under this regime, so don't confuse the two with the American meaning of liberal or conservate.

 

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"They are not afraid of the ideology alone, but of the detemination and will of the men behind it"


Fesenjoon

Doki joon

by Fesenjoon on

Yes,

Everyone should come here only to exchange ideas and discuss. Nothing more. 

As it happens, that is exactly what Ive been trying to knock sense into these people.

To some people here, either u agree with them, or theyll start calling you names and slander, like mr VPK here is doing to me and the prof or whomever else disagrees with him (like Ms Souri just last night).

Someone has to knock sense into these people that: just because I dont agree with you doesnt make me an "anti-Iranian racist". Ad hominems do not happen where a free exchange of ideas and civil discussion takes place. That's my whole point.


Fesenjoon

Doctor Mohandes

by Fesenjoon on

Youre right. Unfortunately there isnt any way of knowing who will turn out how once theyve experienced America. Even if u did know their intentions, people might change while living here. Ive seen cases where a pro-America student comes here, and because of certain circumstances, gradually shifts to a pro-IRI identity while living here.

Still, harf-e man eeneh:

I dont appreciate people who hate this system, coming here, using it, then sitting down and writing shit about, or going back to Iran, and being ghadr nashnaas, and an active anti-American. I mean wtf?

I had to go thru hell to get here, and these fuckers are sitting here talking trash about zameen o zaman while enjoying its benefits 24/7.

And if we're the hated scum of the earth, like in the eyes of this Stanford Prof, well, maybe instead of calling him "racist", we should prove to him that we DO value American values like Freedom. I did it. My advisor used to look me in the face and say "we have a right to bomb the shit out of your country". But in the end, I had gained so much of his respect that he financially helped me move out of my apartment, donated me valuable books from his perosnal library, and took me to see Smokey Mts Natl Park (which I was a big fan of at the time) for a few days, with his own son.

See, VPK's method of namecalling others and giving sho'aar is precisely the kind of crap that has made Iran into what it is.

Anyway, have a good one.


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Fesenjaan

by Doctor mohandes on

Knocking sense? You starting off with the wrong premise baba. That is not what you are here for. Bebin, MIge.. Feereee eksschange Foroom:)) You share, You give your opinion and hear from them, we will dicuss things and that will be the end of that!!

Funny you mentined this, But shiraz is owned by the ex-wife of an ex-friend of mine , whom i don't think would be particulary pleased by seeing me:0 Hey man. We are getting our fair share of some ass freezing fronts here!!

Like i said, you are not here to preach the WORD. You are trying to take on a heavy load and that is not how things work around here. Just relax and exchange:)

ohhh.. shannonn.. Oh.

Yeah so. where was I?:) yeah man, Take her easy (and if she is easy take her twice)


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Fesenjoon

by Doctor mohandes on

Wait a second There . Hold it there Partner....

You would not Grant a visa for a student who would have come to applying for an F-1 with a Valid I-20 at hand? Or you would not issue And I-20 to someone knowing that that person has been cleared by the Reeshsefids of The institution and academically qualified to start his studies?

 

 See your problem is that YOU are putting the whole gang in a same boat (not the same one VPK had in mind... In yeki High teke:) male VPK hanooz Rang zadanesham kamel nabood))

 Vali Lobe Kaloom ine ke How can you or anyone of those officers at the embassy really and deeply and honestly and sincerely KNOW for Sure who is gonna turn out to be a bad apple and who is gonna end up serving this country and loving it like there ain't no Tomorrow?

So far that seems to be the only logic Your are going by!!! and Looks Like you and those who don't want haters to find their way into the country are going to go back to the drawing board and somehow magically come up with a potion or a system wherby they can connvincigly determine everyone's intentions. and who is gonna be exploiter and who is gonna be a productive one.

 


Fesenjoon

Doctor Mohandes

by Fesenjoon on

Man,

Im quitting this Iranian.com shit for a while. It's not worth it. It's not my job to knock sense into these leftist bloggers.

Dude I envy the place you live. The rest of the country is freezing their asses, but you guys? :-) Next time I come down there, we should go out to "Shiraz". I ate there 2 years ago. The food was definitely good.

Im tired of saro kalleh zadan with these people. Let them learn the facts of life themselves. And if they dont? Oh well. There's always Shannen Doherty :-D


Fesenjoon

VPK, do u even read the links u post?

by Fesenjoon on

VPK's writes:

"You have been promoting anti-Iranian racism for months."

And you have been shamelessly using such ad hominem statements to defend the mullahs and the twisted country theyve created.   

"He would have you in the same boat as the other Iranians."

Youre wrong. Because Im an American. His writings are khataab be Iranians, not Americans. Didnt u read his writings? He's addressing ppl writing to him from Iran.

"You just do not get it: Who cares about Felesteen? Who said anything about it?"

He did, khengollah! Dont you read the links you post yourself? He said:

"I will not help Iranian students until Iran recognizes and respects Israel as the land of the Jewish people."

He's talking about Israel. Helloooo?

No VPK, that's not racism. If I were an F-1 or I-20 officer, I also wouldnt give visas to morons who come here to study and end up becoming hateful American flag burning losers like ParthianShot91. I also wouldnt give admission to IRI kids who come here to study, then go back to Iran, and 15 years later, become aghaye vazir. Ive seen that so many times, Im sick of it. People who hate America shouldnt come here and use the system's tax money of the rest of us that do value and respect her freedoms.

You want racism? This is racism. In fact, racism is so fucking prevalent in Iranian contemporary culture that Ostad Shahriyar had to say something about it.

 


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Fesenjoon

by Doctor mohandes on

Hmmm. she is a hottie ain't she:)))

Would you make clear the specific location they were sniffing about?:))


Fesenjoon

When will u stop trying to acquit/whitewash IRI?

by Fesenjoon on

VPK says:

"I am trying to prove that brainwashing used by IR is ineffective. I pointed out that the techniques used by IR  are incompetent and ineffective."

Right. The plastic keys they gave kids like me to go and blow themselves up in the early 80s was "incompetent and ineffective" brainwashing. And these kids here arent brainwashed either. Theyre just bearded paparazzi sniffing the aroma of Shannen Doherty at Beyt Rahbari.

God u people dont know jackshit about Iran. No wonder.

Man this has been a huge waste of my time.


Rea

Didn't read the NIAC link but utter nonsense

by Rea on

Why shall Iranian students in the US pay for what IRI does or doesn't do ?!

Konsidering Kosovo as the US protectorate, the unfortunate prof. might've as well said: "I will not help Iranian (Israeli) students until Iran (Israel) recognizes and respects Kosovo as the land of the Kosovars". (sic!)

PS. wouldn't call it racism though, rather stupidity. 

 


hass

Ullman is a moron

by hass on

Ullman's claims on his Stanford webpage about Iran, that the Iranian airliner shot down by the US was not carrying a transponder and had taken off from a military airbase, are so laughably false.

 According to the ICAO report, the airliner had the transponder, which was set on the right frequency.

And if military airplanes use the Bandar Abbas airport, the same can be said about Dulles airport.

Iran Air 655 was shot down while it was still inside Iranian airspace, and crashed into Iranian territorial waters.


Sargord Pirouz

Parthian

by Sargord Pirouz on

Decades ago I considered applying to Stanford as an undergraduate. But for personal reasons and my acceptance of a public scholarship, I decided upon a different university. I've always been happy with the decision I made.

If I remember correctly, back in the 1970s Stanford had a Physics professor that stated black people were intellectually inferior to white people.

Whatever the case, this Ullman character has the company of Milani in being anti-Iran, so it's not like this is anything new. 


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Fesenjoon

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

Once again you are confusing what I say:

"If you want real brainwashing look to the West. Where poor people actually defend the right of rich to not pay taxes! Now that is the real thing."


Are u trying to whitwash Iran's crimes by drawing a comparison?

Not  at all. I am trying to prove that brainwashing used by IR is ineffective. 


Are u trying to justify the actions of IRI by making a comparison to USA?

Not at all. I am just proving that there is a right way and a wrong way to do something. That includes brainwashing. IR does not even know how to do that right. So the results are a youth that hates Islam and IR. As well as a weak regime.

Now to your other points:

  •  I did condemn the torture of Sufis in an earlier post on another blog. What does that have to do with anything?
  • Regarding brainwashing: I pointed out that the techniques used by IR  are incompetent and ineffective. They use the same approach as Soviets that was proven to not work. I was simply saying that there are better ways at brainwashing. But you seem to take anything that smacks of American criticism as a personal attack. I have and will criticize both IR and USA when I see appropriate. It does not imply I support IR. In fact I have far more respect for the American system than IR. But it is still broken.

I was at the CVS pharmacy yesterday. I started a conversation with an elderly woman trying to explain the "Medicare Donut Hole" to her. She was very upset at the US government for its poor support of elderly. Does that mean she is also an IR agent? You sir see IR agents at every corner. 


PS:

  • I don't know when you moved here. But I noticed some recent arrivals are very afraid to criticize America. Maybe they are too thankful to be free of IR. Or still think that if you say something against the government they will come after you. I have lived here a long time and feel it is my DUTY to crticize.
  • I hear SP has two eyes and one nose; so do I. Does that prove that I am a supporter of SP and IR??

Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Dear Humanbeing

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

There is no need for you to apologize for this professor. No more than I need to apologize for IR. We are only responsible for our own actions.

That is by the way my point. Iranian students are like anyone else. Responsible for their own actions not those of the oppressive terrorist regime known as IR.  Unfortunately many of my conservative friends do not seem to understand "Personal Responsibility".

PS:

  • I do support right of Israel to exist. But that was not my primary point
  • I have worked with a number of Jewish Israeli and never felt discrimination. If anything I felt more comfortable with them because of cultural similarities between our respective cultures. In fact one of my friends is an active member of the Labor party.
  • The problem I have is with this particular individual professor.

Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Re: Veiled Idiot of Khorasan.

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

So person with the name "Parthian" NOT to be confused with Parthianshot99 wrote this about me.

Veiled Idiot of Khorasan.

JJ: Does this qualify for a personal attack? Are you going to ban this guy? {I don't seriously want him banned this is a rethorical question}.

I have tremendous dislike for these too goody shoes Iranian liberals that label anything said against them that may hurt their feelings as "racist" or "fascists". Get over  it. Let the men speak. I read all the exchanges, and there is nothing racist about it. There is nothing in the content that suggests one race is superior to another, or any reference to race. 

This poster NOT to be confused with Parthianshot99 goes off:

  • First with an insult
  • Uses dirty language "F***" and so on.
  • Promotes hate against Iranians.

Sounds like a wonderful guy!  Well I have tremendous dislike for those who promote hatred of Iranians. Be it IR; this Prof  or some Iranian. Blaming a whole race for actions of a few is just exactly what racism is. Now if you are too far to the right to get it that is not my fault.  

Now to the point:

  • When some professor demands people of Iranian origin be singled out iti s racism.
  • When he demands they take oath of loyalty to Israel that is simply over the line. Why should an Iranian student be forced to take this oath.  We  not talking  about University of Tel-Aviv we are talking Stanford.
  • Does this logic then allow Chomsky to demand his students be "anti-Imperialist"?? I bet you won't like that.

Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Fesenjoon

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on


I agree with what the professor says, except for the 1953 oil nationalization thing, which he has no clue what hes talking about.

You have been promoting anti-Iranian racism for months.  So I am sure you agree with the racist prof. Except for one thing. He would have you in the same boat as the other Iranians.

You just do not get it: IR is not the same as Iranian Students. Who cares about Felesteen? Who said anything about it? I am talking about racism against Iranian students. Mixing of politics with admissions. 


humanbeing

i am ashamed

by humanbeing on

i have not read the primary sources, but shooting from the hip,

as an academic (underling, not professor)

i apologize for the many many professors and other mortals, be they jewish/israeli/zionist/non-zionist/iranian/non-iranian or of any identity; thinking people who would never make a linkage or discriminate, in private thought or in public expression. 

 


Parthian

Sometimes VPK should be changed to VIK

by Parthian on

Veiled Idiot of Khorasan. I have tremendous dislike for these too goody shoes Iranian liberals that label anything said against them that may hurt their feelings as "racist" or "fascists". Get over  it. Let the men speak. I read all the exchanges, and there is nothing racist about it. There is nothing in the content that suggests one race is superior to another, or any reference to race. 

At the very worst, some of the exchanges could be labeled as "discriminatory" which is a legal term to begin with. Last time I looked, Iranians in Iran are not entitled to the rights, and priviledges states in the constitution of the United States. U.S embassies selectively filter people based on their political beliefs all the time. Can't have those who hate the United States come into this country. The guy may be an idiot for making a broad statement. But it is not "RACISM". Thank goodness black people got their rights before too many VIKs landed in the U.S, otherwise the real racism would have been diluted and reduced to these kind of nonsense. Get over it Iranians, many people around the world don't like us. When we free country may be people will start having respect, until then, stop yelling wolf every time a poodle barks.  


Disenchanted

His racist views ain't uncommon but stupidity to express them...

by Disenchanted on

 

    ... so explicitly in public is kind of unique.

While Not all Americans share his Zionist views, this incident goes to awaken naive Iranians that deny the fact that discrimination against Iranians is alive and well in this country. Those holier than thou Iranians blame their compatriot victims of discrimination instead of the bigot perpetrators in all cases. They attribute misfortunes of those victims to their own low self-esteem and even paranoia.

      I recommend our naive compatriots to read this professor/idiot comments again and again to realize we all have an uphill battle in this society and a couple of examples like Omidyar and Amanpoor etc does not mean Iranians have a level playing field.


Parthianshot91

Typical american

by Parthianshot91 on

 Sadly, they are as stupid as they come. The more you confuse the islamist regime with the Iranian people, the more we get pissed, so don't be surprised if some Iranian comes to your house and beats your ass.

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"They are not afraid of the ideology alone, but of the detemination and will of the men behind it"


Roozbeh_Gilani

The professor is obviously wrong VPK, but his views

by Roozbeh_Gilani on

are unfortunately shared by a vast spectrum of westerners. Although the uprising of Iranians agaisnt the regime two years ago went somewhere to differentiate ordinary Iranians from these thieveing terroristic islamist criminals ruling our country. Ultimately we  Iranians are put in this position of being subject to this type of discrimination, only and only due to likes of loud mouth islamist thug, ahmadinezhad, who having cheated his way to the "presidency" of Iran, is now behaving as though the whole phucking country belongs to him. His constant empty  threats against Israel has given excuse to every racist anti Iranian bigot to knowingly or not equate Iranians with this tiny, hateful islamist bunch who have hijacked our country for the past 31 years.  

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."


Bavafa

VPK jaan & Eroonman

by Bavafa on

One thing that we need to keep in mind is that stupidly and bigotry exist in all walks of life and even university professors are not immune to it if they choose not to.

This [moran] professor obviously wants to impose his personal view and take what ever grudge he has with IRI specially vise a vie Israel on Iranian students.

Eroonman,

I do believe vast majority of Iranians believe in Israel right to exist, much like much of Arab states as there has been a peace initiative by Arab league which will recognize Israel but only within 1967 boarders. Sadly, Israel has never taken Arabs on that peace offering. The accusation of "Israel's right to exist" is mostly based on a systematic campaign of misinformation rather facts.

Mehrdad


J.S.

asadabad

by J.S. on

Condemning Nazis good. Anything moooohhhhslem bad.

You need to watch more movies. ;)

6 billion plus a year in handouts, in for of welfare, good. Unless you are antisemitrailor (or whatever) you should always support 60+ years of welfare.


asadabad

Israel is a blight unto the nations

by asadabad on

This "professor" is showing his loyalty to Israel comes first.  What the hell does Israel have to do with anything?  At least he should have said, I will not help an Iranian until Iranians apologize for 1979 hostage taking for example. 

IRI has a better human rights record than Israel yet Israel is held up as a model for middle eastern countries.

 


asadabad

that "professor"..

by asadabad on

is absolute scum.  Even if the student was supporting the IRI he doesn't have any right to discriminate against students based on national origin, race, ethnicity, or political affiliation. 

It is surprising that he probably condemns Nazis for seeking/establishing an ethnically pure state in Germany, yet he supports Israelis for doing the same thing in the Holy Land.

Then the idiot contradicts himself by saying that mullahs are different from the average Iranian yet he decides to vent his anger at an average Iranian!!!!


Fesenjoon

Actually

by Fesenjoon on

I agree with what the professor says, except for the 1953 oil nationalization thing, which he has no clue what hes talking about.

He's right: Iran doesnt have any moral authority to point fingers on anybody else as long as its own house isnt in order.

Mazloom Felesteen my ass.

When my own fellow Sufis are being arrested and tortured in Iran, it's so fuckin pathetic to have to sit and listen to all these parrots here talking about Israeli crimes and whatever.


Fesenjoon

biya, nagoftam?

by Fesenjoon on

VPK said:

"If you want real brainwashing look to the West. Where poor people actually defend the right of rich to not pay taxes! Now that is the real thing."

Are u trying to whitwash Iran's crimes by drawing a comparison?

Are u trying to justify the actions of IRI by making a comparison to USA?

Then who gives a flying fuck if people in Kansas or Zimbabwe are brainwashed too? Is that supposed to make me feel any better about what goes on in Iran?

Isnt this the same EXACT shit that Sargord keeps trumpeting every day? ("hey I see Siberian Tigers dying of donkey virus every other day in San Fransisco too!") Are you guys colleagues or something? Cuz youre saying the exact same thing day in and day out! Who cares if people here are brainwashed by FOX! The rape that happens next door doesnt justify the rape that happens in my house! Comprende?

That's why youre (inadvertently or whatever) supporting IRI! Because youre playing right into the mullah's hands by bringing up anti-American shit all over the place. Do u think Khomeini et al got up one morning and decided to hate America just like that? Hameen Joori? There's method to his madness! The culture of pointing fingers at others is a perfect way to distract attention away from the faults and errors at home. Theyve been doing it for 31 years by encouraging ppl like you to put the blame for all evil and misery on America! This, is the god damn philosophy of saying Marg Bar Amrika!

Therefore,

I dont give a smelly shit if ppl are brainwashed by Wall Street mouthpieces on Dianne Rheme's show justifying CEO bonuses. I do give a shit if IRIB has been systematically brainwashing people in Iran for the past 31 years to support the Nezaam that's been killing them, and all it's policies.

Why is it so difficult for people to understand this? 


J.S.

If and when israel commits

by J.S. on

If and when israel commits genocide (documented post 1982 invasion:Sabra and Shatila ) it is okay because they are just defending themselves.

 Use of chemical agents on a civilian population in Gaza, is fan-o-freaking-tastic. Whom ever objects must be anti-semitrailer or tic or whatever...


Sargord Pirouz

Looks like Stanford has more

by Sargord Pirouz on

Looks like Stanford has more than one Iran-related quack on the faculty.