خاكِ پدران است كه دستِ دگران است

The world is a prisoner of Judeo-Christianity?

Yes, it is a bad thing. But yes the world is a prisoner of these myths. I will add Islam to it. The Abrahamic religions have brought us nothing but pain. Lets ditch them and get on with a normal life not messed up by Khorafat and nonsense.

The IRI Challanges Iran; But Even to Iranians, Israel/US is the

Greater Threat

boom shakalaka

Thanks for the history. 'Religious Leaders',  in conjunction with the rulers of the day,  have had a synergistic effect on people's lives since time immemorial, not always for bad, not always for good.

Charles Adams, in his "The Emancipation of Massachusetts", documents the untold story of the 'dark side' of the Puritan theocracy in New England; the things they did to eliminate the competition of Quakers and Catholics, and to dictate to the political leaders of the day have been a lesson plan for any who wanted to follow in their footsteps.

The Hell-fire and Damnation (to Muslims) Christian Fundamentalist allies together with the rabbis in the settlements who subscribe to the 'Greater Israel'  movement have been outrageously useful to the government of Israel in fanning the fires of hatred towards anyone who has stood in the way of Israel's hegemonic designs.

So should it be said

The world is a prisoner of Judeo-Christianity?

NP

I will speak for myself: I condemn the attack on the Gaza bound ships. I don't know of any reasonable people who do not condemn it. The issue has been that some don't want it to overshadow the IRI actions. However once more: the attack was wrong and the perpetrators should be punished (like we are gonna see it in this world but that is another matter). Who is not condemning it? Please be clear. I really do hope that this tragedy will bring peace.

It will at least give some meaning to those lives that were lost.

Please be clear on what it is that you are opposing.

Thank you in advance.

VPK

i will repeat

as i said to oktaby, i will repeat for you, fooladi and all the other racist aipac apologists here pretending to be iranians:

luckily your brand of xenophobia has currency with a tiny minority of iranians.  such an islamophobic and warmongering ideology could only ruin iran's chances of ever having peace. you need to question your own
values.

amg

This site is for Iranians...it is NOT arab.com, or islam.com.

For those sites I suggest you visit one of many peace loving web sites that preach hatered and bloodshed practicing the very essence of what you believe in.

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IRAN FIRST

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amgw4 = angara manya

Shame on you and your Jew bashing. It is sickening to the max. 

• IC is not one person. It is a multitude of opinions.
• Most people here are good caring people. Even those I totally disagree with.
• If you don't like it take your hate and move on.

Iranian.com = jewish propaganda site

fyi

oktaby, true to form )ktaby= Keyboard Commando

GUTLESS

Baba, why don't you set the example and show the way to all those IRI apologists?

Why don't you remove your mask and tell us who you are and that you are ready to fight for freedom?

Is that really too much to ask?

Until them, be quiet and stay in line, and let others pay the price. You, hmmm are good for...hmmmmmmmmm Do you think you can fetch me an Aftabe?

Oktaby= KEYBOARD COMMANDO

Mort Gilani,

Perfectly put: "Well, Mullahs were directly responsible for the failure of Constitution Revolution and standing in every way of progress and modernity in the past 1400 years."

Indeed, the perverted, profiteering mullah, Akhund Nouri, undermined the liberal democratic spirit of the Constitutional Revolution in 1906, and ended up hanging at the gallows for it. However, the evil bastard managed to sabotage the whole process, whereby post-1906, all Iranian laws had to pass "Islamic muster," which gave the clergy a significant presence to shape modern Iran.

In fact, exactly 100 years before Mossadegh, in 1851, the mullahs, hand-in-hand with their benefactors, the British, joined forces to bring down the first modern Iranian leader, Amir Kabir, and that sinister trend continued with Reza Shah, Mossadegh, and the late Shah, God bless his soul. 

Every time we have had a modernizing leader in Iran, the reactionary mullahs have manipulated the scene so as to not only destroy our homegrown progressive leader, but modernity itself. After all, religious profiteers can only succeed in an enviornment of backwardness. In a modern, enlightened society, mullahs would be as relevant as American pastors and priests.

That's the very fate that the mullahs have tried so very hard to avoid in Iran by poisoning our minds with superstitious desert fairytales and bedouin balderdash for centuries, and the British have been the biggest winners, and more than happy to help the mullahs, for the success of their own perverse agenda: to rape our natural resources.

No, I'm not dayee jaan Napelon, I'm just the guy telling you the way it's been in Iran for the last 200 years, if not 1,400 years as Mort Gilani says. America interfered with this faustian racket post 28 Mordad, and the British and the akhunds joined forces YET AGAIN to bring down another modernizing (albeit American-leaning) leader in 1979 so as to hand the nation back to the forces of darkness: mullahs/British.  

Iran is a prisoner of IRI 

Oktaby,

A very nice blog... keep it up, pal!

Iran is a prisoner of IRI 

Dan, I appreciate your points on israel, American foreign policy

and related concerns. Your other blog is linked here so all can see and judge its merit for themselves. Points you raise are not within the context of this blog but I'll indulge a little.

IRR is the product of the same macro policy that you talk about. It just got away from U.S. and is in China/Russia camp. It is the same murderer but in a different gang. As you correctly point out Clinton et al do not have the best in mind. For Iran or even U.S. as they are following the same old failed policies but that does not change the fact that IRR is a criminal regime as bad or worse than israel, with the qualifier that israeli's don't kill israeli's but IRR kills Iranians, to the tune of 200,000+ so far. Never mind the close to a million in unnecessary and 7.5 year IRR extended Iraq war. 

"When you say you don't recall meaningful support for Iranian people in the Muslim world, are you dismissing the efforts of the Turkish leadership to protect the Iranian nation?" It sounds like you get your news from CNN. Turkey profited immensely from Iran/Iraq war directly and via complicity with U.S./Nato. Just recently, it confiscated 18.5 Billion of stolen Iranian money, and to this date won't even recognize Iranian refugees as such. Its current policy of supporting Iran has its own motives that include the central asian connection, and pandering to its own islamists as well.

So israel is a problem, so is U.S. foreign policy. The gaza incident is a cluster f%$# for israel and they deserve every bit of all the crap they get. None of this changes the fact the IRR is a criminal regime and certainly the global attention is on that 'incident'. At a HR level it is yet another disgrace but Iranians on IC that blow that horn while ignoring much worse crimes in Iran are as I described. Since last year, or for that matter for all of last 30 years, the number of those murdered by IRR exceeds that of palestine by orders of magnitude. 

OKtaby

Oktaby: The timing of your blog was not coincidental

It was aimed at defending Israel as victim and not as abuser in the Gaza aid attack.

There is a silver lining at the end of this tunnel

as the palestinian cause gets global attention, yet again; zionism and israel's draconian policies get attention, yet again. It gets that 60+ year old conflict closer to a resolution. Hopefully this year. Taking away the biggest lie and propaganda tool of IRR.

Meanwhile, the suffering of an older, culturally richer, more populous and diverse Iranian nation has now been ongoing for half as long as the isr/pal conflict. And is ongoing as we speak; at scales much larger and deeper than the aid convoy incident and most other incidents in palestine combined.

Even in relative terms Iran's dilemma is a much bigger and more significant human rights violation.

OKtaby

Re:Mr. Zion(fool.), ask zionists 2 stop hating arabs & iranians!

I hate inhumane actions of the zionists, baby killer israeli regime! Any jew who condomns the israeli atrocities is a friend of mine! I know it is hard for you to belive, but I have many jewish friends who share the same thing! Sorry to disappoint you pal! REAL ORTHODOX JEWS ARE AGAINST the state of ISRAEL! Don't mix up jews with zionists!

Keep your shallow personal attacks! Diversion tactics that is always used by the zionists!

Neither Sanctions nor Entrapment/Occupation are a Hoax

Have no fear. America is paying a lot of attention to Iran. The track 1 people of the dual-track have SOS Clinton as their point person. She evidently wants to sanction and blockade. Tell me, OKtaby, which do you believe will do more damage to the Iranian people and the Iranian quality of life in the next twenty years? Do you believe the Iranian people on their own can deal with and improve their government, or do you believe it would be better for the people if the US and Israel brought Gaza-type improvements, or Iraq-type improvements (through bombing, etc.) to the country? I am interested in your opinion.

I think my points that you referred Bavafa back to, in my blog <//iranian.com/main/blog/dan-huck/iranian-national-reformation-depends-defeat-israeli-nuclear-ambiguity> regarding the ambiguity lie, which is the Israeli 'story' regarding their nuclear arsenal, were addressed in an appropriate and effective manner at the NPT Conference. This is of importance to me, and I believe it's important to  Iranian people of every persuasion, because I believe the Nation of Iran (the people of Iran) have a right to an independent nuclear energy program. The conference came out squarely for a 'weapons of mass destruction free Mid-East', and they let Israel know they are expected to sign on to the NPT. What could relate more directly to the Israel/US attempted intimidation of Iran than movement on this issue?

The Israelis' have been attempting to weasel out from under the bright light shining on their lawlessness by scapegoating Iran, but unfortunately for them, their behavior keeps getting in their way.

Many nations of the world unfortunately indulge in their fair share of HR abuses. Some indulge block by block, some by drones, some by torture and bone breaking. My country specializes in the macro versions. What my country does and what Israel does are supported by myself and my fellow Americans. I am sickened by the brutality and over-kill we engage in. I am sickened by those who appear to live by denigrating others.

When you say you don't recall meaningful support for Iranian people in the Muslim world, are you dismissing the efforts of the Turkish leadership to protect the Iranian nation?

The issue for me is to address the problems closest to home. By close to home, I mean where is my tax money going? Do I have to be supporting the killing and mayhem, or is there a possibility lives can be saved?

user ID "obama", stop hating jewish people

Listen Son, Just because you had a bad experience with a jewish person at some point in your life it does not mean you should go through your entire life hating jews. This hateful attitude is bad for you, could lead to sexual impotence (unless it has dome so alraedy....), then the wife runs away (perhaps with a jew...), and baldness sets in. Besides, just look at what happened to the biggest jew hater of all time, Adolph Hitler......

Re: hg, I stand by what i said! You guys always try to attack

anyone who is against Israeli atrocities! Israeli regime is racist & baby killer and whoever defends it is defending their inhumane acts!

Okteby, you were going to ignore me because I am too ignorant for highly intelligent people like you? You and your buddies, cannot defend your bias arguments that's why you guys always go after personal attacks! You want everyone to agree with you, otherwise, we are your enemies! Twisted mentality! So much for self proclaimed ROSHAN FEKRA! No wonder Iran is in trouble!

I don't need to be reminded by you mr. smarty! I don't forget when i wrote it within hours knowing the same people like you are reading and commenting on the same blogs! man, you would be a smart prosecutor for IRI! That's all you could say?! 

IRI and israel both can go to hell, as far as I am concerned! two evil regimes who are nothing but hell for people!

HG, I was going to ignore the ignoramus

but thanks for pointing the ever expansive contradictory, possibly drug induced, tirade. Hopefully, ebema can come up with something coherent one of these days.

OKtaby

obama

weren't you accusing people of being zionist and working undercover in the other blog?  let me refresh your mind:

//iranian.com/main/blog/q/gaza-attack-news-and-open-threadby obama on Tue Jun 01, 2010 11:58 AM PDT

…There are 4 people here (who are either under cover, or zionists)whose jobs alwayas is to divert our attentions from the real issue being discussed here, Israel, and they want to make some of you to focus on IRI.

are you trying to be funny or just contradictory?

Okteby, shame on you for accusing people for being IRI agents!

So, anyone who condones the israeli attack including the Boble Laurets are supporters of IRI? Very wisted logic, proving what your real agenda is!

If you consider yourself a liberal, then how can you accuse IRI for being anti-democracy and human rights? Arent' you doing the same by your acccusations? Do you really know who we are? Who are you judging us like this? God?

I find you to be hypocrite, if you pick and choose the human rights abuses based on your biases! BANI ADAM AZAYEH YEK DIGARAND KEH ........... We are Persian, not Arabs, or israeli racists!

If Arabs, or Israelis are racists and don't care about us, does that mean we the persians who claim we are above it all, shall become the same as them? Then, you are the same, and you deserve what you get.

I am not standing for those ignorants who are for or agaisnt us, I am standing for those innocent children who cannot defend themselves whether they are arabs, israelis, or iranians! If you can stay silent when these atrocities are occurring, then you could well be one of those who stayed idle when hollocust happened!

Sorry to say that, but you don't sound as human rights defender, you sound racist against arabs! I refrain about writing about IRI's atrocities, since I would playing into the hands of those who are trying to dilute the water and avoid the issue of the day which is israel, not IRI! Write an article about IRI, and you are going to see how we would support you! Peace on earth!

Bavafa, I think you know by now that I do address

points directly and unambiguously. So give me the same courtesy. Right now your comments add up to nothing. I certainly do not engage in sophistry and name calling. And if attacked won't leave it unanswered. This is the blog you are referring to: b//iranian.com/main/blog/dan-huck/iranian-national-reformation-depends-defeat-israeli-nuclear-ambiguity  so let the readers decide.

You did point comments at me and I responded and then you used curse words as well so please I do not need advice about unity or protocol. 

You have also ignore all my comments and points and harp on irrelevancy and as you can see I don't take it kindly. However, again, I'll give you the courtesy of not doing the same again and when you come back address the topic or do not engage my blogs:

  "your painting every body with the same brush here (Palestinian supporters = IRI supporters)". No I did not.

"that if Gazan don't cry for Iranians, therefore I should care less about them".      No I did not.The blog has not changed. Your interpretation has little to do with my statements or comments. I do suggest that supporters of a rapist regime somehow bleed for palestine.

"that some how Palestinians want the status quo of the current conflict and "they play along" ""  No, I did not say that either. I stated the state of affairs and how it is playing out. I did not project into what palestinians think or want. No one in their right mind would want to go through or live the way palestinians do.

"misrepresentation and not worth a response.."  there was no misrepresentation. I acknowledged that picture from Google may not be what it says based on midwesty and Ari's clarification and removed it. I also had before that included a palestinian link with many many pictures, good and bad. So your inference here is also less than sincere. 

OKtaby

Oktaby: Damn if you do, damn if you don't

You asked me for specific and I brought to you. With the sprit of unity, I made notes not to dual about the past. Apparently it was not received as it was intended, perhaps my bad.

As to your blog, I disagree with your view points on

- your painting every body with the same brush here (Palestinian supporters = IRI supporters)

- that if Gazan don't cry for Iranians, therefore I should care less about them

- that some how Palestinians want the status quo of the current conflict and "they play along"

Of course I had refrained on commenting until your acknowledgements on the pic which I had viewed as misrepresentation and not worth a response till you rightly corrected the mistake.

Mehrdad

Mort, that is a famous statement

From Sadegh Hedayat, if my memory serves right (anyone remembers the original person please add). That is not a statement to imply or suggest we actually owe anything to the mullahs. It was meant to indicate that the mullahs have always been meddling in various forms and until they govern once, to show their own true nature (as they have with IRR), we won't be able to get rid of them forever.

I do not keep posting but have used that statement within context exactly twice.Hope that clarifies it but I am not sure if I appreciate the relevance to this blog.

benross, thanks for the links. I blogged this earlier as a sign of my amazement. It is almost like we don't have june 4th, June 12th, a potential war, and half dozen other critical issues as we speak that the israpal.com fans are all over IC and then wonder why we want to keep focus on Iran with every explanation including 'human rights'. I saw that concern actually make a roasted chicken fly like an eagle earlier today.

OKtaby

Great blog oktaby

Before Iranian.com becomes Israel.com or Palestine.com again and again, and just by few degenerates who couldn't care less about Iran, I cross-post this as a sign of where things stand over there. So that we can focus again on our own country and keep this place as Iranian.com

Israel politics is changing and Palestine politics has the same old challenges.

Haaretz editorial of June 1st, 2010

Gaza real story, May 23rd, 2010

Just An Observation

Oktaby,

You keep posting “we [Iranians] owed a government to mollas." Well, Mullahs were directly responsible for the failure of Constitution Revolution and standing in every way of progress and modernity in the past 1400 years. So, why Iranians owed to the Mullahs in 1979 and not vice versa?

Darveesh, that picture if from the link I included

I am sure you think or been told that Gaza looks as you have posted in your blog.

reader 1, premature statement & no track from you to qualify

making the statement you are making. Once you have sufficient amount of independent contribution then we can engage. 

The picture was from a google search and I did update but reverted based on midwesty's comment and added several links and have provided further context in several comments. As for your inaccurate statement it shows you did not bother to read the content of the blog or comments. IRR is also worse than hitler but I don't see IRR supporters bleeding for Iranians. There is no discussion of pal/israel issue in my blog or reference to who did what or in defense of israel so until you can copy/paste my statement defending israel, from my blog, you lack any credibility by attributing statements I did not write or even infer. NP et al already tried.

Oh, an Israel/zionists (not equal to all jews) are not at risk of, but have become abusers and pariahs. But again, that is not the discussion point of this blog. 

Darveesh, take the time to read the blog, review the links I added and look at all the pictures. 

OKtaby

Oktaby: You have put your credibility at risk by ...

But Bavafa, you are are doing what you say you don't want to

Your first comment on this blog is essentially a reference is to past and off subject. I leave the other blog for the readers to judge if you care to include the link.

I mentioned the context and corrected the picture along with a link that has hundreds, good and bad from a palestinian source. So, even now you are beating a dead horse and have yet to address anything on the contents of the blog and relevant comments.

As for potency of a piece, given the speed and frequency of blogs, there are different types and objectives and this one was in the contexts of so many bleeding for palestine, not a research paper on a topic as complex as israel/pal issue. I stand on my digital footprint as you and everyone else has to.

Do you agree/disagree/have views on many points in the body of the blog/comments 

OKtaby

OnlyIran - UR right - we need to compare to something better

 and strive to reach that better society.