Jaleho

Jaleho. I am neither pro or

Jaleho.

I am neither pro or anti isreali. But the following excerpt of your note to iranian jew completely throw me off and i don't understand it at all, as in i don't get what you are trying to say. It seems that you are agreeing with iranian jew but.....

2. No, Israel does not like a strong Iran. But, the same neo-cons who advocated the Iraqi war, were thinking that US will immediately attack Iran also, and they were DREAMERS! No one anticipated such a huge quagmire in Iraq.

????????

Regarding Israel being the sole benificiary of the Iraq war, that is true. We're talking about COUNTRIES. Naturally there are a lot of people in arms and oil industry who'd benefit from the Iraq war.But, Israel was the ONLY COUNTRY in which there was pro-Iraq war demonstration. Everywhere in the world, including the US, there was only anti-war demonstartion.

Right! a lot of demonstrations because many of them, presumably supported the war...ok... so what is the problem here then? again, you are re-iterating IJ's point!

Jaleho one twisting of fact after another

1) As to Lieberman was running on Clinton's legacy of economic prosperity- Are you kidding? Gore was avoiding Clinton and his legacy at all cost because there was an attempted impeachment against Clinton due to the Lewinsky affair. How many rallies did you see Gore and Clinton campaigning together? ZERO! People were sick of Democrats as evidenced by the Change in Senate and House. As a result of Clinton, Democrats lost the majorities they had for over 30 years in the Senate.

2) As to: "the fact that a large number of Arab-Americans found Lieberman agaisnt the Palestinians and stated openly that they'd vote against any ticket containing Lieberman"

Yeh and look who they got. Bush who has been killing Arabs left and right. Regardless, Arab Americans do not determine elections in this country. Its the electoral votes that do. Can you name one state the Gore lost because of Arab American vote or Muslim Vote?

3) As to "the fact that many ordinary Americans did not like to have the possibility of a Jewish president in case Gore got assassinated, and in fact many had this conspiracy idea that Lieberman is meant to become first Jewish president by default in such a case... "

And the same "ordinary Americans" just voted for a black man in the office. Americans can some how vote for many Jewish Senators and Congressmen, as you complain below by stating that Jews are only 2% of the population but have to much power in the Congress by saying that they have "over bloated representation", but you think they can't vote for a Jewish President? Try again.

4) As to "But most importantly, my claim is corroborated by the fact that when Lieberman ran alone, he was a pathetic failure! No one voted for him, sorry."

You do not need to be sorry. This is true but Biden was also a Pathetic failure but he just became the vice president. The fact remains that Vice Presidents do not make much of a difference in presidential elections, if they did, than how can you explain the retard by the name of Dan Quayle?

5) As to "Regarding Israel being the sole benificiary of the Iraq war, that is true. We're talking about COUNTRIES. Naturally there are a lot of people in arms and oil industry who'd benefit from the Iraq war.But, Israel was the ONLY COUNTRY in which there was pro-Iraq war demonstration. Everywhere in the world, including the US, there was only anti-war demonstartion."

Ok we are talking about countries and I told you that Israel was NOT the only beneficiary COUNTRY. YOUR STATEMENT THAT ISRAEL WAS THE ONLY BENEFICIARY IS 100% FALSE. The Islamic Republic of Iran is also a beneficiary. You now have another Shiite run country in the region for the first time, IRI's arch enemy Saddam is out of power and Iran's military is the strongest in the region. Another country that is a beneficiary is Syria. Go look at the record. The Syrians and Iraqis were arch enemies and hated each other and their ruling Bath parties were in competition for dominance. Is Syria in the Arab axis or the IRI axis of influence? Israel had already benefited as a result of the 1992 war WHICH HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ISRAEL. Iraq was already nutralized in 1992. The NEOCONS, had already tried to convince Bush 1 to get rid of Saddam and he refused. Bush II was able to do so and sell it to the military and senate only after 9/11.

5) As to In "3 and 4 you make a lot of wrong conclusion since you start from the same wrong premise of equating Judaism and Zionism. Zionism is a colonial scheme by Europeans to colonize Palestine in the same line that colonized many places in Africa and Asia. I have gone through that in length, so if you want you can refer to my previous writings here. Or, I'd be glad to provide links of it. But, Zionism is a racist colonial design which uses Judaism and anti-Semitism to promote its agenda."

Jaleho, you are avoiding the issue. Assuming "Zionism is a Colonial Scheme" I told you that 95%+ of world's 14 million Jews support the existence of Israel. And I asked you specific questions which you conveniently avoided.

I asked you if you considered these 95% of jews were Zionists or not. Well are they or not and why yes or no especially since almost 50% of the world jewish population now lives in Israel and supports Israel? How do you distinguish between Jews and Zionists when 95% support the idea of a Jewish state (what you call a "Zionist Scheme)?

The majority of the websites you listed below ARE Zionists sites RUN BY ZIONISTS WHO SUPPORT THE EXISTENCE OF THE STATE OF ISRAEL- These are Zionist jews who appose Israel's policies in the occupied territories but agree that Israel has a right to exist as a State.

You tried to distinguish between Zionism and Jews but almost all the sites you listed are run by JEWS WHO ARE ZIONIST.

For example:

1) Gush Shalom States: "Putting an end to the occupation, Accepting the right of the Palestinian people to establish an independent and sovereign State of Palestine in all the territories occupied by Israel in 1967"

2) "Jewish voice for peace states as part of its mission: "An end to the Israeli occupation of the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, and East Jerusalem" So what happens to the rest of Israel?

3) The Jewish Peace Fellowship States that it has "always strongly supported Israel's right to exist"

4) Yesh Gvul- Is an organization of Jewish soldiers who will fight to protect the 67 border and refuse to serve in the occupied territories.

5) Btselem: Is a site run by Zionist jews who are against Israel's violation of Human rights

6) Oz Shalom is a site of "religious zionists" against occupation.

I am not trying to equate Zionism & Judaism. I am trying to show you that your attempts at separating the two are meaningless.

So again Jaleho, how can you distinguish between Jews and Zionists when 95+% of the jews in the world are supporters of Israel?

Finally, why you avoided addressing my questions re your statements about the Jewish "over bloated representation in the congress"? Why do you have an issue with this? Do you think its another Jewish conspiracy? Have jews cheated their way into power again like they did in Germany?

All the Jews in Congress, except for 1 or 2 from Virginia, are liberal Democrats who have nothing in common with the Christian Zionist Rednecks from the south and do not get any of these christian Zionist votes.

Iranian Jew,

1. No one can claim with certainty what caused the Gore/Lieberman defeat, but one can always make logical conjectures. The fact that Gore had not only the incumbent advantage, but he was running on Clinton's legacy of economic prosperity...

the fact that state of economy is one of the most important determinant in US presidential elections,

the fact that a large number of Arab-Americans found Lieberman agaisnt the Palestinians and stated openly that they'd vote against any ticket containing Lieberman,

the fact that many  ordinary Americans did not like to have the possibility of a Jewish president in case Gore got assassinated, and in fact many had this conspiracy idea that Lieberman is meant to become first Jewish president by default in such a case...

all harmed Gore/Lieberman ticket.  But most importantly, my claim is corroborated by the fact that when Lieberman ran alone, he was a pathetic failure! No one voted for him, sorry. Now you want to deny that he was a losing element in Gore ticket, fine, but that doesn't make logical sense.

2. No, Israel does not like a strong Iran. But, the same neo-cons who advocated the Iraqi war, were thinking that US will immediately attack Iran also, and they were DREAMERS! No one anticipated such a huge quagmire in Iraq.

Regarding Israel being the sole benificiary of the Iraq war, that is true. We're talking about COUNTRIES. Naturally there are a lot of people in arms and oil industry who'd benefit from the Iraq war.But, Israel was the ONLY COUNTRY in which there was pro-Iraq war demonstration. Everywhere in the world, including the US, there was only anti-war demonstartion.

In 3 and 4 you make a lot of wrong conclusion since you start from the same wrong premise of equating Judaism and Zionism. Zionism is a colonial scheme by Europeans to colonize Palestine in the same line that colonized many places in Africa and Asia. I have gone through that in length, so if you want you can refer to my previous writings here. Or, I'd be glad to provide links of it. But, Zionism is a racist colonial design which uses Judaism and anti-Semitism to promote its agenda.

Finally, you made light of my comment that many Jews are in the forefront of fight against some evils of Zionism. You wanted example, here:

Not in Our Name Coalition
//www.nimn.org

Jewish Voice for Peace
//www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org
E-mail to get on mailing list

Gush Shalom
//www.gush-shalom.org

Jews Against Occupation
//www.angelcities.com/members/jato

Jewish Peace Fellowship
//www.jewishpeacefellowship.org

Truth, Justice, and Human Rights
in the Middle East
//www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/7891

Neturei Karta
//www.netureikarta.org

Jews NOT Zionists
//www.jewsnotzionists.org

Yesh Gvul, The movement for IDF men
refusing to serve in the Occupied Territories.
//www.diak.org/Haayesh-gvul.htm

Israeli Committee Against Home Demolitions
//www.salam.org/activism/home_demolitions.html

B'Tselem (Israeli Human Rights Group)
//www.btselem.org

Bat Shalom, Israeli Women for Peace
//www.batshalom.org

"Occupied Territory"
//www.occupied.org

Rabbis for Human Rights
//www.rhr.israel.net

Oz v'Shalom - Netivot Shalom
(religious Zionist anti-Occupation)

Jewish Alliance Against the Occupation
//www.opentent.org/jews.html

Association for Civil Rights in Israel
//www.nif.org/acri

Prominent Jews writing articles in Haaretz
//www.haaretzdaily.com

Alliance of Middle East Scientists & Physicians
//www.keck.ucsf.edu/~yoram/amesp.html

Visions for peace with justice in Israel/Palestine
//www.vopj.org

Middle East Crisis Committee
//www.thestruggle.org

Search for Justice and Equality in Palestine/Israel
//www.searchforjustice.org

Iranian Jew

Yes you are a Zion. And you have to ask yourself how far you are willing to go to have your "state".

Zions are similar to Nazis, they think that they can kick the innocent Palestinians out because they had "no technology" and take their land.

Jaleho you have no idea what you are talking about!

Here are some comments that are totally off:

1) Blaming Lieberman for Gore's loss in 2000. Gore was behind by 7 points the week before the election. Lieberman almost- almost gave him Florida had it not been for the Supreme Court's intervention in the recount. Show us proof that Lieberman was to blame instead of making blanket statements not supported by any facts.

2) As to your statement: "Third, it was not clear to many people what a dirt Lieberman really is until he worked so hard for Iraq war whose sole beneficiary was Israel at the cost of breaking American economy and blood of many of its children here, and tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of Iraqis."

Really? So Israel likes the idea of a strong Iran now as a result of what happened in Iraq? Israel was the Sole beneficiary? The military industrial complex did not benefit? All the international companies who are reselling the same things to the iraqis 20 years later because of all the wars are not beneficiaries? The French, The Russians the Germans are not beneficiaries. The IRI is not a beneficiary? Were there elements in Israel who were happy and supported this war? Sure! Was Lieberman, a supporter of Israel happy? Sure. It was Saddam who was shooting scuds at Israel for no reason in 1992 when he invaded Kuwait. Why did Saddam shoot scuds at the Israelis when the rest of the world was liberating Kuwait? Because of Palestinians? Bush II would have gone into Iraq with or without AIPAC or Israel. Did AIPAC support Bush? Sure they did! Again, Saddam was a threat to Israel. Should Israel or AIPAC OR LIEBERMAN oppose getting rid of an enemy? Wasn't Saddam Israel's enemy?

3) As to the following Anti Semitic Statements: "I guess one problem is that you don't assume people to have enough intelligence to distinguish between Judaism and Zionism, most do. See, you start from a wrong premise:

The reality in the US is opposite of this! In fact, the Jewish population is less than 2% in this country and they have the most over bloated representation in the congress, and all of the political and legal instruments of the US, the one and only minority with such a powerful over-representation. "

Here we are again like the IRI's Statements: "We don't hate jews we hate Zionists". Jaleho, there are maybe 13-14 million jews in the world. 6.5 Mil in Israel and 6 Mil in America. Do you have Stats on which ones are Jews and only jews and which ones are Zionist Jews? How should we separate the evil zionists from the good jews. What is your test Jaleho?

For example: I am a Jew who believes in the right of Israel to exist, am I a Zionist? I also believe that Israel abuses Palestinians and that Palestinians deserve their own state. Am I a good Zionist or bad Zionist? Are there any good Zionists Jaleho? If you ask Jews if they support the idea of an Israeli State, 95%+ will say yes and almost 50% of the world's jewish population lives in Israel. Are they all Zionists? Unless you have other statistics or different ways to separate Jews from Zionists? Please let us have the Stats. My point is that your attempted separation between Jews & Zionists are meaningless.

As to American jewish population of less than 2% and its "over bloated representation" in congress? So we figured out the system, are successful, have lots of money and power and because we happen to be jewish, use the system to further our causes and it is not a good thing. Its OK when jews, who are the most liberal in America, use their power for ending racism and sexism in this country but not OK for them to use their power to support Israel.

Jaleho, do you ever complain that the Mullahs in Iran, who are less than 2% of the population, control everything? Why do you pick on us jews when your own Mullahs have such great power in Iran and control 100% of Iranian affairs? Is this "Justice" for you?

Have Jews used illegal means to get this power in the Congress? Should we put quotas on How many jews can serve? Should we put quotas on Muslims and Christians?

How do you distinguish between Jews and Zionists when the overwhelming majority of Jews support Israels right to exist as a Jewish state. I guess there are about 200,000 Jews who are good "jews" for you in the world because the rest must be Zionist for their support of Israel.

4) as to the following "and many Jews are in the forefront of fight against Zionism"

Can you tell us who these many jews are? Neturei Karta? Finkelstein and his friends? Chomsky? Can you tell us how many are "many"?

In sum you make it seem as there is some type of Jewish conspiracy going on in America without any proof. Jews come from all walks of life with different opinions. Not all agree with every Israeli policy, Some are on the left, Some are on the right, some are communists, anarchists; but the overwhelming majority support Israel's right to exists precisely because of people such as your self throughout history.

Does AIPAC have a lot of power? Yes? So does the NRA? Is it illegal? This is the system of this country. Did the Jews create this lobby system and democracy? Lobbies are allowed to operate and support their political causes. You have every right to disagree with the AIPAC lobby but to try to mix and mach them as Zionist instead of jews when convenient or Jews instead of Zionists where convenient to support your arguments is disgusting. This is the type of political behavior that leads to wars. Sounds to me that you are looking for a scapegoat because your opinions are not popular and people do not give money or support to the causes you believe in. Who does Jaleho blame? The world Jewish Zionist conspiracy. Sound very familiar. Ahmadinejad does the same.

I Have a Crush on Alex Trebek

Lieberman reminds you of es-haal?
lol
priceless

Thanks Kaveh, I hope it

Thanks Kaveh, I hope it wasn't my post that plunged the thread into oblivion.

Oh Well

I guess I spoke to soon.

The moment I mention that there was an intellgent comment, the thread deteriorates.

I know nothing lasts forever, but jeez.

This is a better site

Now that we know what the site "Say No to Joe" is all about, I think this offical website of the Steering Committee would be a better site for those interested.

//democrats.senate.gov/steering/index.cfm?pg=6

You can simply click on each member's picture and use the email or phone provided to contact them. The responses I have gotten so far was very cordial. I did mention that Lieberman has betrayed the party which came to power with a mandate to change, and removing Lieberman from chairmanship of Homeland Security would be a good change to start with.

Bijan, I think I came to

Bijan,

I think I came to this conclusion after Lieberman's Mid-East stance became more evident.  During the RNC Lieberman's speech endorsing Mccain was painful.   I understand as an Orthodox Jew he needs to stand with a party that supports Israel, but the major supporters of Israel happen to be Evangelical Christians.  Their support of Israel I believe is a selfish, creepy end of days fantasy that wouldn't bode well for Jews anyway, so frankly I don't get why the Jewish community would accept a dime from these people.  Lieberman jumps ship from party to party hoping to find some recognition somewhere.   For this I think he's a turncoat and a panderer.  I voted for him on the Gore ticket because I've been a registered democrat during the last 6 elections.  As feeble minded as this may sound.  I also thought that a Jewish American in the executive branch would be a progressive move.  I was naive in knowing how much of a Zionist he truly is.  I make a huge distinction between a wonderful faith and an ideology that spawns separatism.  I also believe that by drumming up hostilities for "surgical strikes" on Iranian nuclear facilities plays straight in to the hands of the IRI.  200 dead American soldiers in Iraq allegedly by the hands of Iranian weapon's suppliers in my opinion is tragic and disgusting.  However that will pale in comparison to an Israeli strike on Iranian soil.   As for Obama's judgement,  well that remains to be seen.

I wonder if people know that Israel is just as dingy as Iran

Their leaders are just as corrupt and stupid as Iran's. They are not anything special. Remember that Iranian PM who raped a girl? I think the shocking part was that well he was not 40 years old.... the man was freaking old!!!in his 70s!!! what 70 year old man can rape? A horned up Iranian-Israeli! Scary thought.

So this image of Israel and its leaders as special and smart is not true. These people are just as dysfunctional and stupid. 

Bijan, you said,

"I know diddly squat about Joe Liberman’s character but I find it extremely ironic to see this crowd who practically are willing to give their lives to prove that Bush stole the presidency in 2000 from their love of lives  the Al Gore/Joe Liberman ticket. "

First, I am very happy that this forum would let you get a better idea about Lieberman, just listen to the videos provided by Marge and Irandokht, if you don't want to bother to read anything else.

Second, most of the democrats voted for Al Gore despite Lieberman. And, although Gore was a favorite running on the legacy of Clinton's  fantastic economy prosperity, his easy win became a loss to an idiot, party because of Lieberman!

Third, it was not clear to many people what a dirt Lieberman really is until he worked so hard for Iraq war whose sole beneficiary was Israel at the cost of breaking American economy and blood of many of its children here, and tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of Iraqis.

The anti-war democrats also hated him more when he practically cheated in his last election by overruling their wish to win an election by a sudden infusion of capital from a small group in NY, and collaborating with Republicans who sent Lieberman as a tie-breaker AGAINST democrats.

Finally, he is one of the most ardent advocates of waging war against Iran, using the same lies and the same group of neo-cons that initiated Iraq war. American people are sick of wars for the sake of Israel at their expense.

I guess one problem is that you don't assume people to have enough intelligence to distinguish between Judaism and Zionism, most do. See, you start from a wrong premise:

"As long as you have one drop of Jewish blood in your system and say a single word for existence of Israel you are doomed."

The reality in the US is opposite of this! In fact, the Jewish population is less than 2% in this country and they have the most over bloated representation in the congress, and all of the political and legal instruments of the US, the one and only minority with such a powerful over-representation.

And, that is not because of a love affair of Americans with Jewish blood, many typically uneducated red state republicans, are in fact real anti-Semites. But, that gets compensated with the pro-Israel Christian-Zionists who would like to hasten their own going to heaven by helping Israel, helping Jews to gather in Israel so that they could once and for all convert about 1/3 of Jews to Christianity and kill the other 2/3! That's is, like those fanatic Shias who want to fast forward the return of Mahdi, the Christian Zionist would like to fast forward the Second Coming of Jesus Christ and have a nice bloody Armageddon in Israel, and go to heaven themselves!

The point I am trying to get at is that in the US what is important is Zionism and Israeli Lobby, otherwise no one gives a hoot about Jews, and many Jews are in the forefront of fight against Zionism, like anyone else who cares about justice. So, now that we can safely take that drop of Jewish blood you were talking about, let's see why so many hate Lieberman:

Lieberman was brought to political prominence with the dirty finances of father and son thieves, Sol (mafia figure red McGee), and his son Michael Steinhardt. The latter, after making $600 million by cheating on treasury notes, paid $70 million of stolen money as fine to SEC and used the rest to become a trendy philanthropist and created dirty Zionist politicians, his top protégé being Joe Lieberman.

 These in turn would use their political power to advance the cause of Zionism in the US and return the favor to thieves like Steinhardt or his similar buddies. They are very common, actually Steinhardt is the small version of Marc Rich, the billionaire thief who bought Clinton.

So you see, they are neither religion nor party sensitive. But,Americans are becoming more vigilant in particular since the advent of internet is allowing the flow of information to all, rather than a smaller group who can control who gets what kind of info.

Obama wants Liberman to stay with democrats in senate

What a joke! Is he for real or is he already in the fangs of Israeli lobby? I am not an anti Obama voter and voted for him but he disappoints me. First he chooses a well known right wing member of Israeli lobby (Rahm Emanuel)as his chief of staff and now he wants the most outspoken member of Israeli lobby, Lieberman, to keep his position. What a disappointment! If Israeli lobby is permitted to run this country again we are going to see another 4 or more years of war and destruction in Middle East and financial/political bankruptcy here.

IranDokht. Droopy is perfect. Actually, droppy is cuter

Joe Lieberman reminds me of eshaal. It's awful and you want him to stop. I can never watch a full interview with him.

Souri anything Reza Pahlavi touches turns to fake, crappy gold

He promoted McCain because Republicans give him hope to latch on to that they might install him in some fashion to a "throne". His throne is his leather chair in front of the tee vee with dancing with the stars. 

Ok so it's Joe or IRI now? HA Ha ha! Get a grip people (person)

It's so funny that we have to say "ok I hate IRI FYI." before every statement. I think some of you are posting anonymously several times because Iranians aren't that dumb.

IranDokht

I don't like Liberman either and he is not on my favorite list but I have problem with people that support IRI regime. It is a brutal, immoral and disgusting entity. When someone cheers it, then I know what the real deal his. Don't let off these criminal off the hook. They denied liberty to all Iranians and whe should treat themh the way they treat others.

Not sure....

But it seems that even Reza Phalavi, the favourite leader of the IRI opposition, promoted McCain, Is it true ?

So what to do with this ? I mean, I'm still looking for the porteghaal froush. I don't understand. Many of the Obama lovers here, are also for Reza Pahlavi. But, could  they explain the fact that Reza himself, is for Mccain ?

I have been looking for the right information on the web but couldn't find anything which prove that he actually voted for Mccain, but all the monarchist and Co., always promoted Mccain and the Republican.

Just wanted someone who is well informed, to give us more information please.

Smile Marge!

I got another video of him right here 

IRANdokht

Desi

Thanks for your post. You are talking to a novice and virtually illiterate when it come to the matters of security. I have no clue what influence does the role of Chairman of Homeland Security have on the true security. And when it comes to Mr. Liberman I am not advocating one way or the other. For all I know you can put anybody in that role and it will work the same.

All I care about is that I don’t want to collect body parts in grocery stores, movie theaters, sporting events, schools, etc…

But, this really was not the point of my post. If I understand your comment correctly, Mr. Liberman should not be in that role because he is a pandering tool, a poser, and has identity issues and anyone with those characteristics is not qualified to fill the position.

I do appreciate your response and respect your opinion. However, the question will remain as “did he acquire these characteristics after the 2000 election, or are those in his nature?”. And, what does that say about Mr. Obama’s judgment if it differs from yours.

IRI apologists are paranoid

sickofidiots:

I've never heard anyone asking Bush to Liberate Iran. Where is you source?

Do you believe Obama will attack Iran??

Joe Lieberman hearts Iran

He loves talking about this subject.

Bijan, I will try again azizam

You see. It's not that Joe is Jewish. It's that Joe wears his jewishness on his SLEEVE. It's tacky and I can see through it like my grandpa's socks from 1965. So did Chuck Hagel. This guy is a sanctimonious creep. 

Blue haired

Would you come back later and post when you are sober?. You don’t make any sense.

I don’t give a hoot and care the least about Mr. Liberman. That does not answer my questions about the noise your friends are making.

I ignore your Rush Limbaugh or Sarah Palin remarks because you are WUI (Writing Under Influence).

Bijan isn't hard to please. Lieberman is THAT good?

Joe lieberman = deep knowledge of the Middle East. Excuse me while I laugh my ass off. He knows the difference between Sunni or Shia, or at least that they exist. He's a step ahead of McCain. Woo Hoo!

He has really been effective on that Homeland Security committee? HA! BTW In politics, loyalty is important. People who helped get the party where it is now deserve a promotion. Lieberman, for his disloyalty, deserves a demotion. In any business, that's how it goes.

With Democrats like Lieberman, who needs Neo-Conservatives? 

Home land security are you

Home land security are you kidding me?  He's as intimidating as my chocolate lab.  The only way our enemies will fear us is if Leiberman bores the shit out of them.  I dislike the man because he's a pandering tool.  He has serious identity issues.  He's one of those lost kids I remember back in high school who couldn't figure out what club he wanted to be a member of.  A follower, a poser.  It has nothing to do with his jewness.  I voted for him on the Gore ticket because he was a Jew.  He's the most non-jew, jew I've ever seen.  Let's face it.  The man is a nadless turncoat.  

Bijan, of course I will rescue you

I'm here for you my fellow prisoner!!

How are you? I agree that one is satan and one is messiah. The world is so much more interesting in black and white terms. Keep fighting Rush Limbaugh's fight!

P.S. As a thai masseuse once said, "I love you long time", or in my case, until 2012 when i will have to stalk your blogs and fight you to the death of Sarah Palin once and for all. 

How about Homeland Security?

Would someone please talk about homeland security for one second, instead of who is qualified or not qualified for that position. I know diddly squat about Joe Liberman’s character but I find it extremely ironic to see this crowd who practically are willing to give their lives to prove that Bush stole the presidency in 2000 from their love of lives  the Al Gore/Joe Liberman ticket. What happened?  Did he all-of-a-sudden become the incarnation of satan? I guess in the eyes of these people 9/11 never happened.

As long as you have one drop of Jewish blood in your system and say a single word for existence of Israel you are doomed. Doesn’t matter what you think and what you suggest to protect the homeland, the land that all you guys are enjoying the freedom it offers you.

Mr. Obama can say and believe the exact same belief as Mr. Liberman, but one is the messiah and the other one is the satan.

I sincerely beg some help to understand this. Would someone please come to my rescue?

Anti-Lieberman

Lieberman is absolutely positively one of the worst US Senator. Show me one major piece of legistlation that he has sponsored or co-sponsored, aside from those that have to do with starting a war. 

His goal is nothing but to start a war with Iran. It is widely believed that McCain's gaffe of "bomb, bomb, bomb Iran" was actually Lieberman's idea. The man believes in nothing. He has no loyalty to his Party. After he ran as a Democrat in the 2006 primary and was rejected by Connecticut's Democratic Party and beaten by Ned Lamount, he ran as an "independent" and with the help of right-wing Republicans won. Even Connecticut's Republican Party, while having its own candidate on the ballot, urged Republicans to vote for him. He aspired to replace Rumsfeld at Defense so that he could help start the war with Iran, and he almost got it. He sponsored the Kyle-Lieberman resolution.

He is a snitch, a turncoat, a scabb.  

Mammad

In the mean time...

First things first! Let's first get the rid of the most vicious enemy of IRANIANS, the mullas, who brought nothging but misery from the time that they took over iran by deceit, who staged a war on iranian culture, iranian fleshes, and iranian souls: stages a war with Iraq which led to 500,000 iranians dead, executed 50,000 youths, fought against anything iranian, enslaved the sacred iran for islam, and have constantly conspired to enjoin iran and islam together to cover up the true ugly face of their religion with the beauty of iran. Never forget that IRI has been the single most brutal enemy of iran and iranians and iranian culture for the past 30 years.

Let's focus on the job at hand and get rid of the biggest enemy of iran first, the islamic republic of arabestan and their supporters, the colonizers, the occupiers, the enslavers, and the oppressors of iran, iranians, and iranian culture.