BoosBoos

Amir Parviz

As I said before, and with all due respect, I wish you paid attention. Yes, the West aided and abetted in the revolution but do not forget the stupidity of our own people including the so-called Iranian intelligentsia and Leftist crooks. It was not like the US pulled a lever and all of a sudden a revolution happened. 

Do you remember Black September in Jordan in the nineteen seventies when Israel and America tried to push a Palestinian state withing Jordan itself? It did not work because King Hussein resisted it. We never saw another attempt to divide and rule again. On the other hand instead of crushing the revolution like King Hussein our Shah decided to leave. Maybe he did not want to put up a fight or spill the blood of his people. That's a different story.  

What has this got to do with American plans to divide Iran? Civilizations are dynamic; they rise and fall; they divide and merge. And, as any student of history knows, civilizations disappear and are buried in the sands of time. 

This has been happening since the dawn of time! You don't need rocket scienctist to work this out and even if the US were to lose its position as the superpower of the world other countries will do the same. The same way as Persians divided and conquered; China divided and conquered; the Romans divided and conquered. So what's new about it?

It remains a theory  or supposition that this is part of a large US plan. An earthwauke might happen tomorrow, another iceage or a commet would hit earth. 

Simorg, there is a smarter way that will remove mullahs

and end islamists, instead of replacing one group of smelly mullahs with another and thats not war, but embargo of their ability to sell oil using the sea.  Cutting off regimes cash for real, then supporting reza pahlavi to organize forces to knock out the regime loyalists.  Then have elections for the fate of iran within 12 months.

What do you say?????????

War only serves the nefarious western interests, if this plan doesn't work, then you have my vote for war, as a last resort if iranians can't take care of the IRI.

AIPAC (ISRAEL LOBBY) Not Run by "Mullahs"

AIPAC members & Congresswoman Harman are Zionists-&-of the Jewish faith: They're Not "Mullahs."   Any one that wants to QUOTE me ... copy and paste the QUOTE.  Harman's statement is in the body of the article above. 

“by RostamZ on Sat Aug 27, 2011 06:50 PM PDT I rather to have a separate than to live under stinking Mullahs ….”

Yes I said it and I am proud

I'll copy and paste it for you several times if you want!  

 by Simorgh5555 on Fri Aug 26, 2011 01:33 PM PDT  Anyother reason to hesitate against waging war on the IR? For the sake of LakeUrumieh, for the thousands of trees cutdown in Kurdistan, for the Caspian, forthe Alborz mountains please support military action.  MilitaryAction can save Lake Urumieh.”

  by Simorgh5555 on Fri Aug 26, 2011 01:33 PM PDT  Anyother reason to hesitate against waging war on the IR? For the sake of LakeUrumieh, for the thousands of trees cutdown in Kurdistan, for the Caspian, forthe Alborz mountains please support military action.  MilitaryAction can save Lake Urumieh.”

  by Simorgh5555 on Fri Aug 26, 2011 01:33 PM PDT  Anyother reason to hesitate against waging war on the IR? For the sake of LakeUrumieh, for the thousands of trees cutdown in Kurdistan, for the Caspian, forthe Alborz mountains please support military action.  MilitaryAction can save Lake Urumieh.”

  by Simorgh5555 on Fri Aug 26, 2011 01:33 PM PDT  Anyother reason to hesitate against waging war on the IR? For the sake of LakeUrumieh, for the thousands of trees cutdown in Kurdistan, for the Caspian, forthe Alborz mountains please support military action.  MilitaryAction can save Lake Urumieh.”

  by Simorgh5555 on Fri Aug 26, 2011 01:33 PM PDT  Anyother reason to hesitate against waging war on the IR? For the sake of LakeUrumieh, for the thousands of trees cutdown in Kurdistan, for the Caspian, forthe Alborz mountains please support military action.  MilitaryAction can save Lake Urumieh.”

And here is a a new quote!  

The Islamic Republic must be destroyed and all those who serve to defend it will persih and will be nothing but collateral damage. All Basijis and revolutionary guards need to be obliterated. Quote me 

Rostam & Simorg

I am not saying, keep mullahs to prevent iran from getting carved up, those traitors are what I am saying cause iran to be weak and in a position to get carved up just the way the west wants it.  West keeping mullahs in power proves they are stll on the path of creating a weak iran.

Does that amke sense?????

I denounce all anti-iranian mullah foreign policy.

I think we need a secular constitutional monarchy for iran, but the west doesn't want that, it has its own interests to pursue. 

QUOTES BY DISHONEST WAR MONGERS / DISHONEST TACTICS

• “ by Simorgh5555 on Fri Aug 26, 2011 01:33 PM PDT  Anyother reason to hesitate against waging war on the IR? For the sake of LakeUrumieh, for the thousands of trees cutdown in Kurdistan, for the Caspian, forthe Alborz mountains please support military action.  MilitaryAction can save Lake Urumieh.”

• "  by Simorgh5555 on Sat Aug 27, 2011 06:43 PM PDT Azari Turkish roots I have said there are 24% Iranian Azaris 
• "  "by Simorgh5555 on Sat Aug 27, 2011 04:31 PM PDT more than 50% percent of Iranians claim to be of Azari-Turkish roots." 

Boos Boos

1)Are you going to condemn Hassan Abbasi and Ravazadeh or not?  

2) How many other congressmen have supported Jane Harman's position and echoes the sentiment that Iran should be divided?

Just 'one'. Is that the basis of your shock-horror controversial take on ME politics?  

Interesting

The IRI basijis for a long time tried to excite people about West bank, Israel, U.S.A, U.K. and etc. The hit a dead end and no one bought their lies. Now they are coming up with this new fiction that Iran is going to be divided if Mullahs don't run it. I rather to have a separate than to live under stinking Mullahs Islam and their disgusting ideas. The only foreigner in Iran are the Mullahs and their parasites who support them against the will of the nation.

Simorgh the clash of civilizations is an explanation

of what they are trying to create.

Their arc of crisis policy was enacted (shah removed for a unknown radical mullah), the islamization of north africa and the middle east is being implemented today, I don't have cia data, but I can tell you they must be spending billions a year to fund and organize all these muslim brotherhood groups and people ready to die for Sharia islam.

He does create unrealistic generalizations, but he went much further and created and is implementing policy based on those unrealistic generalizations.  So far the USA has not deviated from his plan.

The reason you don't see carving up of countries is that totally goes against the UN and the USA still needs to use the UN until it has a captive, weak, backward radical audience.  Stuck in sharia countries.

It is only as a result of a major war that the USA will go in the name of protecting Americans to start phase 2, this phase is expected to happen after 2020 when the USA can afford to discard the UN.  Its not in that position now.  This even may even coincide with ww3.

US hasn't shown in any way its changed its general path.  And they are not out announcing secret tactics lets be clear about that, the tactics will change but the end goal has not changed in my view.

How Libya is handled will give me a better idea of where we are in the overall process.  I doubt it will reveal any changes in the end goal, if it does I'll be the first person to celebrate the news with you.

As for Russia/China yes they want a weak islamic govt in power, but its ridiculous to say that china wants iran carved up the same way as the USA.

The whole point of carving up iran is so the USA gets the resources and not china or India!  They want there to be 3 to 4 countries between the energy and china/india to block the pipe line.  And by 2020-2030 china and india will be in no position militarily to do anything about the USA's war in the region.

Iran owns one of the largest gas reserves in the world, almost untouched but worth more than 50 times the vaue of oil it has.  That energy according to jimmy carter is mine, the usa, and the iranians need to get their filthy hands off it.

Boos Boos

Azari Turkish roots  

I have said there are 24% Iranian Azaris. This is a fact. They still are in this category. 

Amongst those classified as ethnically Persian are those who are also ethnically Azaris this includes most of the rulers of Iran who are considered 'Persian' but are actually Azari of origin. Are you goint to deny that Persian Safavids were from Ardabil?  This is also mirrored in Iranian society where most Persians also of Azari roots. 

Even if we don't agree on statistics then Azaris are undoubtedly the second largest ethnic group in Iran? Why are they not overwhelimingly supporting Azari sepratists? Because they are patriotic Iranians and you are deliberately  inflating the danger posed by separatists to Iran and try to pin it on outsiders. 

Again, true to your tacit support of the Islamic Republic you take the speach  of just one  member of the H of R and retired liutenant colonel of the US military to represent US foreign policy whilst overlook and treat with skepticism the real anti-Iranians in the Islamic Republic.

You fail to condemn Hassan Nasrollah for saying there is no such thing as a Persian Civilisation because there is a voice over

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=m30FcZU-9nY

but say nothing about Hassan Abbasi who made similar comments disparaging Iranian history as being Jews

//www.flixya.com/video/1695445/Jewish-influence-on-Achaemenid-Empire

Or how about your friend 'Doctor' Ravazadeh who said Cyrus does not exist?

//iranian.com/main/2011/jun/cyrus-invented-zionists

Which is worse and more anti- Iranian Boos Boos, a has- been Us Senator calling for Iranian partition or the wackos in these videos who insult the entire Persian civilisation?

Your looney Jewish and Israeli conspoiracy theories are exactly that of Abbasi and Ravazadeh. Truly, is there any difference between you and them? 

Your silence and defence of the Islamic Reoublic is deafening Boos Boos.  

Amir Parvis

I have read Huntington's book but he draws broad and almost unrealistic generalisations of civilisations in my view. However, it was a good book. These puppet governments owe their existence to China and Russia as much as to the West. Furthermore, Huntington's theory (and it is only just that and not fact) does not take into account how the world and states will shape themselves as a result of global warming and depleting world resources especially water. Many conflicts based on religion, race and ideology will in future be based on basic commodities and rights of water as the world consumes more and more. 

Dear Amir Parviz

You covered a lot of ground in your comment, so I just express my opinions about one of the topics, the late Shah. We can spend hours on him, but here is my short version. Shah was the victim of his shortcomings and the geopolitical calculations of the late 70’s.

Shah was sick and dying and his condition was known to him, his doctors in NY, Jimmy Carter and his wife. The late Shah had a meeting with his military brass and told them that in the case that he dies from a plane crash (he did not reveal his illness), Shahbanoo would be in charge, but he did not provide her with any meaningful authority, because at the end of the day, he thought that he will live and will be saved by a miracle or whatever. There was no Plan B for Iran when it came to the late Shah.

With the Russians in Afghanistan, unrest in Poland and Brzezinski in charge of US foreign policy, Iran was a side-show; the demise of the Soviet Union was front and center. So what if Iran was ruled by the anti-communist clergy. And so Khomeini came to power.

They thought that Khomeini would be more like the Saudis or Pakistanis. They learned their lesson for sure.

War Mongering Against Iran / False Statistics

• “ by Simorgh5555 on Fri Aug 26, 2011 01:33 PM PDT  Anyother reason to hesitate against waging war on the IR? For the sake of LakeUrumieh, for the thousands of trees cutdown in Kurdistan, for the Caspian, forthe Alborz mountains please support military action.  MilitaryAction can save Lake Urumieh.”

And some push false statistics that they can't substantiate and back-peddle on: 

• "by Simorgh5555 on Sat Aug 27, 2011 04:31 PM PDT more than 50% percent of Iranians claim to be of Azari-Turkish roots." 

• "by Simorgh5555 on Sat Aug 27, 2011 05:34 PM PDT Azari Turks SOAS -The respected Circle of Ancient Iranian Studies states, as well as most other reputable websites that ethnic Azaris make up to 24% of the Iranian population."

How quickly your unsubstantiated statistics change - but the real point is you're a war monger against Iran.   

Read clash of civilizations by Samuel Huntingdon

He's not a nobody, but the head of the US foreign policy in , 70's, 80's under different administrations.

Step 1 (40 years), by various means take entire middle east and north africa and install islamist regimes/sharia constitutions (being done now) by 2020, step 2 (another 40 years) (divide the weakened backwards countries) time frame by 2060.

Please patience is a virtue,.

Get the book and please read it.

Amir Parvis

The issue here is whether the USA intends to fragment Iran on ethnic divisions. This is the point we are arguing about and not whether the USA is intending to set up another criminal Islamic government as it did in 1979. 

The US invaded Afghanistan - still in one piece

The US invaded Iraq- still in one piece

The US invaded Panama - still on one piece

The US invaded Granada- still in one piece

The US boombed Serbia - still in one piece

The US bombed Libya and supported rebels - still in one piece

The US acts in its own interest and with the de-listing of the MEK it may have plans to establish another Islamic regime. This is arguable but prove to me - show me the Balfour declaration - that the USA intends to separate Iran.  

Boos Boos-responses

"NO ONE takes this jerk seriously."  

• False:  A Congresswoman and AIPAC did - the speech calling for Iran to be divided into pieces received tremendous applause by the Israeli lobby. 

So let me get this straight Hassan Abbasi who claims that Achamemenids were Jews  //www.flixya.com/video/1695445/Jewish-influence-on-Achaemenid-Empire

//www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Iran/basic_statistics.htm

But hang on.......

Furthermore, many Iranian dynasties such as the Saffavids, Qajars, and even Pahlavi's all have Azari roots. So most of our monarchs which we associate with being Persian or Iranian have Azari roots which justifies what I said that 50% (approx) of "Iranians are Azari or of Azari roots". This is a fact.

I totally agree with you that Iranians ethnicities of all kinds Lors,Kurds  Azaris and inseprable of in terms of DNA and origin (if you want to make an Ahmad Kasravi argument)  but ethnic groupings are not based on genetics. Indeed, we are the same origins as people from Turkmanistan or Afghanistan.

I did not say that you supported Hamas or Hezbollah by any means. You simply make blanket statements such as Israel encourages ethnic tensions in Iran without ever once asking why Israel engages in such a hostile activity post 1979 and not during the time of Shah. I think you know the answer to that question very well but you deliberatelty refuse to discuss it.  

Finally, a war on the IR is not a war on the Iranian people. But those of you who wish to enlist and fight for the IR are welcome to it. 

Simorg, Faramarz, Ayatoilet, please smell the roses.

I respect that you have your own view. 

This is the strategy I have read about, it seems to fit with what they are doing today, as in right now.

The Plan...

I like to remind you that  USA oversaw the new constitutions in Iraq and
Afghanistan. Why did it not give them a secular one? The USA today is
not that of 1945. It used to be a lot more benevolent, but things happen and today they are malevolent, expansionist and neocolonialist on both sides of the isle, republican and democrat alike no matter what they say.

The dems gained so much credibility with people for being against george bush and today they are playing a similar strategy in Libya with the same ultimate goal, imposing sharia on the people.

They want Islam in govt because they know it 100% keeps countries weak and backwards, look at Libya's new  Sharia
constitution, they don't want to help progressive elements but to
suppress them, thats why even with Unity I doubt iranians can succeed against
that.

Weakness gives them an opportunity in the future to be able to start profitable civil wars (weapons sales to both sides),
reconstruction projects (big business items) and then dividing up countries based on resources for
multinational exploitation. Just because divide and rule is old it doesn't men its not happening 100% right now.  It is happening now via imposing islam.

They only have such policies for oil rich countries, who can pay for reconstruction, weapons and have something worth controlling.They are the source behind the clash of civilizatons like helping khomeini against the shah.

They absolutely don't want shah, for the reason he caused progress and development and was not manipulateable like other 3rd world countries, ofwhich iran was stiil one.  Read their current policy
papers and what they write to educate their own University
faculty and NGo's.  Its all done in the name of promoting democracy,
freedom and justice.

They are geniuses in their own corrupt way.  They are not at all about the values they say, that is the key to their deception... they couldn't care less about human rights like they advertize. 

Libya is not about the protection of the people against a murdering tyrant, it's about this policy... //www.ukcolumn.org/articles/who-enemy

and that is where they found most of the rebels, does that make sense?

That's why I say Shah needs all the help he can
get from iranians as the west is against him totally like they were his father and his grand father, as it conflicts with their
long term aims for Iran, The Middle East and North Africa.

Thats just my view.  Not sure what it will take to get others to see it.

War Mongers Against Iran - Aided by AIPAC

 To Simorgh5555 (I quote you - the points are my reply):

"more than 50% percent of Iranians claim to be of Azari-Turkish roots" 

• False - Give a source for the 50% figure.  And most Azaris are not Turkish - they speak a Turkic-dilaect in addition to Persian (their original language before the Turko-Mongol invasions was an Iranian-language).  I am familiar with the demographic studies of Iran and the Azari community - what are your sources? 

• False:  A Congresswoman and AIPAC did - the speech calling for Iran to be divided into pieces received tremendous applause by the Israeli lobby.  

  "Hamas and Hezbollah"  

• This article isn't about "Hamas and Hezbollah" and I certainly hope you are suggesting that I have ever supported either of those 2 groups. 

• Now let's take a look at who has openly supported war against Iran, and I quote: 

“ by Simorgh5555 on Fri Aug 26, 2011 01:33 PM PDT  Anyother reason to hesitate against waging war on the IR? For the sake of LakeUrumieh, for the thousands of trees cutdown in Kurdistan, for the Caspian, forthe Alborz mountains please support military action.  MilitaryAction can save Lake Urumieh.”

Faramarz

Precisely. She is a has-been. There may very well be other sinister forces who want to see Iran fragmented but the greatest threat to Iran's existence is the Islamic Republic itself. 

Harman and Peters do not kill 8 Iranians every hour. Harman and Peters do not provoke Azaris by comparing them to cockroaches "who feed on shite".

Harman and Peters are not the one causing an environmental disaster in Lake Urumieh and refusing to provide funds for replenishing water. 

These are all the works of the IR Terrorists occupying Iran.

'nough said.  

حالا یک ننه قمری یک چیزی گفت!

No need to get all excited.

Fact Check:

Jane Harman was the congresswoman from Venice Beach (LA, Muscle Beach, Arnold, etc.) Her father was a holocaust survivor. She quit Congress and is now inconsequential.

Ralph Peters

Firstly Liutenant Colonel is not the same as Commander in Chief of the US Armed forces.Whilst the post of Liutenant Commander is a  senior position in the US military Ralph Peter's views, though despicable,  do not necessarily reflect the views of the current or even past US administrations, policy or lobbyists. 

This is like saying General  Stanley McChrystal's statement about the War in Afghanistan is indicative of the governemnt's opinion on the course of the 'War on Terror'. It is not. 

Second, Ralph Peters is retired  meaning he no longer serves in the armed forces 

Third, Peter's is a nut and an extremist who called an American soldier Bowe Bergdahl taken prisoner by the Taliban a 'deserter' and called for the assassination of Wikileak founder Julian Assange. 

Fourth, As his article "Blood borders: How a better Middle East would look", the man is a fantasist to put it mildly, who has spent too much time playing Risk. The man is about as influential on American policy as Glenn Beck is on American politics. 

Apart from talking crap in the Washington Post and Wall Street Journal he sees himself as Tom Clancy and writes hack spy novels. No one, I repeat, NO ONE takes this jerk seriously. The fact that he is a regular on Fox TV says everything

In relation to Harman. She made a stupid speach at AIPAC which she later retracted and apologised for. AIPAC did not pass a motion approving her statement. 

If Peter's had his way then Iraq would have been fragmented with the Kurdishethnic cleansing, shia-sunni sectarian violence and killing of Marsh Arabs/  

Although, I appluad Boos Boos for reminding us that there are forces who want to fragment Iran it does not mean that we should refrain from taking military action against the Islamic Republic Terrorist Regime occupying Iran. 

As far as I know, more than 50% percent of Iranians claim to be of Azari-Turkish roots and their views do not reflect a small band of vociferous Azari Separatists. I have also not come across any Pan-Turkish or Azari violent resistance movement and given the size of the Azari community in Iran they would have been able to wage a destructive  violent war on Iran if they enjoyed popular support which they do not. 

Although Israel may very well lend support to Kurd or Pan-Tukrist groups, this is neither US or Israeli policy. At no time does Boos Boos address the fact that under Mohammed Reza Pahlavi ethnic tensions of the kind we are witnessing today never existed and our borders were never threatened.

Niether does Boos Boos explain how Israel should react to the countless relentless provocations by the Islamic Republic and the support of Hamas and Hezbollah forces in Lebanon which are fighting Israel on its territory. So according to Boos Boos, Israel should be expected to turn the other cheek and if it supports a handful of Turkish and Kurdish separatists it is because the Jews have developed a bloodlust for Iranians.  

USA wants to divide Iran into Pieces

• "by ayatoilet1 on Sat Aug 27, 2011 04:16 PM PDT I had not realized she was out of congress ...and is heading the Woodrow Wilson Center!! Does that carry influence?"

  Unfortunately not.  The views she espoused are frequently circulated among  AIPAC and branches of the U.S. military.  She was just the one that got caught publicly doing it.

Harman Resigned in Feb!!

I had not realized she was out of congress ...and is heading the Woodrow Wilson Center!! Does that carry influence?

Harman is an idiot

Iranians in San Francisco should work to get her off the next baallot. About Medians, yes you are right, but the core point I was making is valid ....Medians predate muany of the nations in the region.

with respect to harmon

//mondoweiss.net/2009/05/jane-harman-urges-et...

what do you expect?  its US Policy!

AIPAC Conference: 'Divide up Iran' ... 'cause civil war.'

American-Israeli Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) speech of U.S. Congresswoman Jane Harman:

"The Persian population in Iran is not a majority, it is a plurality. There are many different, diverse, and disagreeing populations inside Iran and an obvious strategy, which I believe is a good strategy, is to separate those populations." 

//mondoweiss.net/2009/05/jane-harman-urges-ethnic-division-in-iran.html 

P.S. @ AT: "a play on the old Turkish/Persian empire called Medes " ... There were no Turks in Iran during the Median empire nor did anyone speak any form of Turkic dialect in Iran during the Median empire, you're going to have to brush up on your history.

This concept is official US Strategy and Policy today

It is unfortunately supported by both Republicans and Democrats and is really a reflection of the power of the Industrial military complex, the oil corporations and wall street in having US politicians in their pocket.

Khomeini was officially brought to power to weaken Iran to the point where this goal could be realized.  

How to change this policy is not clear if it is even possible as the USA/UK/France are united on this goal.

One thing is clear we are heading towards a big war.  Either with Russia, or with Iran.  And neither is out of the question.  They both constitute the biggest obstacle to western hedgemony.

For now if we look at the hundreds of billions China has been allowed to invest in Iran ad the pipeline to China/India by Chinese companies it seems that iran may be off the hook and Russia is target #1.

But all the papers by Amercan Foreign policy makers at Ivy league schools like Harvards, Kenedy School of Govt suggest Iran is #1, either way the future looks bad with the multinationals leading the West.

This is a ridiculous and OLD idea..

In a world where countries are uniting to for regional entities like the European Union, African Union, Mercosur, Asean etc. this is pure bullshit ... The balkanisation of Central Asia is an old idea that fortunately hopefully will not have legs.  We Iranians must resist it.

If the US. Military had any sense, they would actually consider the exact reverse: the creation of a supra regional entity in Central Asia with all the 'stans, Iran, Turkey and Azerbaijan (maybe Goerga & Armenia too) with  Afghanistan, Pakistan, Tajikestan, Turmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan .... A new Central Asian Union that is prowestern and a counter balance to China, India and Russia in the region. A new unified state that could be "guided" to explode economically forming a new growth engine for the world's economy pulling everyone out of a recession.

I call this entity "Media" - for Central; i.e. Central Asia Union; and a play on the old Turkish/Persian empire called Medes.... at the cross roads of the world ..connecting Europe, to China, India, Russia, and Arabia...

If would be home to close to almost 1 Bn people, have a 1.3 Trillion dollar economy off the bat, and manage something like 1/6th of the world land and resources. We are in a new age of "regionalism", where regional unity will end up address the majority of issues facing states.... Ultimately the UN, will be a combination of a dozen or so regional groups - that sit arround the table ...not nation states. More like "United Unions".

This concept is stupid and old.