Amir Parviz for secular monarchy

کتاب "آیات شیطانی": نوشته استاد سلمان رشدی

Tabarzin I'm done with him, please take over.

Tabarzin I can't wait for you and Hakim to have a live debate on Khomeini's scholarly works. Help JK with the Paedophile pages in Arabic please.We have verified it to the world, just these shiites spread doubt about it as if it's not true what we say and we have something to be ashamed of for their leaders works.  Well no more.

Isn't it odd that now JK won't tell us when the discredited and shamed Hakim will be available for the live debate? Having proved the below quote is true by giving him a lnk to the original copy of the book from a shia foundation as well as the number of a store that has a copy available does he show he's ready to get hakim to debate with you?

Rouhollah Khomeini Founding Father of IRI:

A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, although he should not penetrate, sodomising the child is OK. If the man penetrates and damages the child then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl however does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl's sister.

-- Ayatollah Khomeini in Tahrirolvasyleh, fourth volume, Darol Elm, Qom.

Those Opposed To Ayatollah Khomeini Would Benefit Tremendously

... if they just produced the book (Tahrirolvasyleh), and verified to the world that the quotes that they claim are in it are in fact accurate.

Then you wouldn't have people like me spoiling your party with inconvenient questions. 

Why haven't they done it? 

What's preventing them from putting the book on exhibit in full view of the world, and letting everyone see for themselves that the claims that they're making about it are true? 

Jahan Khalili, I'm just going to ignore you from now on

I should have known you were all talk.  We Got you the book, from a credible shia foundation and you are now trying to get out of a Live discussion between hakim and tabarzin our resident arab speaking iranian authority.  I see why some people feel like your making yourself look so unbelievably %$#^%$^.  You said you wanted to have your own expert, we have ours. Lets debate!

Yallah!

Don't Any of You Find It Odd...

... that there are no scanned copies of this book, or physical examples of it on display somewhere?

... i.e. nothing that could be shown to an expert who could then verify whether it is genuine or a forgery - ala the Hitler diaries that Stern claimed were genuine?

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_Diaries

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

That's a link to some html on a website.

Its not a scanned copy of a book.

But I'll humor you.

Direct me to the relevant passage so I can get it translated from Arabic and see what it means. 

Yallah yourself. 

JK

Resaleh is not really a book as much as it is certain number of pages put together from questions that people have and the answers that the clergy can provide them with. After revolution, if one wanted to get a job or even enter the university she or he should have known all about Khomeni's resaleh no matter who that person actually would prefer to follow.  Besides reading Resaleh does not increase the level of one's knowledge not even a bit.  Now are you suggesting we all should go and read Resaleh?  ok which one ?  you know a person who is a  " shei " can choose and pick any clergy he or she prefers and thinks is the best not necessarily khomeni.   Now there are many of them out there  with many Resalehs ... no one can read them all ... besides what is in it to read?   

Now do us a favor go and get yourself busy reading resaleh, have fun and do not ever read Quran cause God forbid you may actually learn something...

Here's the book

//shiaonlinelibrary.com/%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%83%D8...

where's Hakim?

Yallah!

Jahan Khalili- Which book

are you talking about?

So I Guess You're Not Going to Make An Effort To Get It...

... with the well-organized Iranian expat community that is so effiecient at spreading rumors but mysteriously unable to get a damned book scanned and posted on the internet - ALL THESE YEARS.

You're asking ME to disprove your claims, instead of accepting responsibility for them and proving them.

So I really can't take any of you seriously any more. 

What was I thinking?

People who are anonymous are not taking responsibility for their views just through the fact that they are anonymous. 

Why Are There No Scanned Copies of This Book?

Iranians have been circulating the claims about the book for years.

They had all this time to show the book to the public, and to have it verified by experts.

They didn't do it - and neither have you. 

Its Up To You To Prove Your Claims

You guys are claiming that there are these quotes in this book.

Prove it. Show the book. 

I have no claims to prove.

Please don't change the subject. How Quickly?

When are you getting hakim Live to discuss the contents with Tabarzin?

Whats wrong? Haven't you got hold of him yet? You scared? Yallah!

JKh

There you go arguing a fallacy again. You made the assertion the book doesn't exist. We've shown you it does - twice. I have challenged you to bring your "Hakim" to debate me live publicly, and now you're running away. If I don't know what I am talking about, then you have nothing to lose and everything to gain by meeting the challenge for a live debate.

Ball in your court.

You Guys Should Have the Book

You're quoting from it. You're discussing it. And you DON'T HAVE IT?

That's actually normal for Iranians to talk about things without making any effort to find out about it directly. 

They know all kinds of sh-t about people and things without even laying eyes on them.

They must be psychic! 

All These Iranians Claiming They Know What's in Tahrirolvasyleh

... and none of them can get the book, or have personal access to it.

Why am I not surprised? 

If You Guys Were Any Good

You'd have a copy of the book yourselves - at least one of you.

Then you'd scan it and post the pictures.

If you don't have the book, how do you know what's in it? 

Keep arguing back and forth all you want. 

Jahan Get the original book,get Hakim, live debate with Tabarzin

Here is a message I got regarding it in the USA, you need to pursue this.  I am not in the usa and don't have a scanner.

We have it in stock.

Price: $125.00

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Iranbooks, Inc.
5809 Massachusetts Avenue
Bethesda, MD 20816
Phone: 301-320-5600
Fax: 301-907-8707
info@iranbooks.com
www.iranbooks.com

For debate, scan the book and upload it to the site for Tabarzin and me. And do not forget, to put on your prettiest dress for the occasion. : )

Non sequitor

Brother, you are reasoning based on a huge fallacy. Whether people have heard or not heard of a book, whether it is obscure or not, is immaterial to the actual content of the book. There are libraries filled with books with subjects many consider to be obscure yet they exist. What is your point?

For me Hakim Family's credibilty is in question big time

Anything he says I take with a grain of salt and lots of whiskey, our goal was credibility, but do what you want.

please take up Tabarzins offer for IC, that will help us all.

The shop that has the book ready to ship for you, also says you can get them online at used sites by requesting them on first available option for cheap.  I don't which sites sell used islamic books cheap though, anyway to get it cheap you will have to wait a long time (a year) since it's old now.  Another easy option is to go to any islamic library locally and they will have many copies available, he said its old, but not rare, it was mass produced and every library has several/multiple copies of every volume and every edition, so for that reason it does not make me too suspicious.

This Is Why Iranians Didn't Write This Book About Their Own War

As usual, it takes a foreigner to get to the bottom of anything in Iran.

//www.amazon.com/Iran-Iraq-War-Air-1980-1988-...

Why didn't Iranians write their own book about their own damned war?

Because, they're incompetent.

They're so obsessed with politics that they can't even think about anything else or do research.

They can't admit that they don't know something. 

Nonsense

You can't simply dismiss the Hakim family, because you don't like them or their politics.

That has nothing to do with their knowledge of Shi'ite Islam or Ayatollah Khomeini's writings.

Why are Iranians so obsessed with politics?

Enough, already. 

Yeah, Why Aren't Those Things in Ayatollah Khomeini's Resaleh?

Why are they only supposedly found in an obscure book that most people had never heard of, and that no one seems to be able to get a hold of and show to anybody?

Doesn't that sound suspicious? 

JahanKhalili

Brother, you have made yourself look stupid. Stop this nonsense before you embarrass yourself any further. If you are inclined, invite your hakim here to IC and let me debate him live publicly. I know Arabic and I know Islamic texts, especially Shi'a ones, and I can show that Khomeini was full of it all around.

VPK Look at ths 1 min movie on Awareness

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=THGh4IcSeb4&feature...

It helps explain WHY Iranians made a mistake in 1979.

The people were not aware what was going on and that they were gooing through a foreign backed coup.

Yes Amriparviz

The CIA does what it is told; produces "intelligence" as demanded. Then takes the fall if requested. Did you see how CIA took the fall for Bush and his "WMD" thing? The agency has one purpose: do the presidents bidding.

It is sort of sad that they are not independent. It would do USA a lot of good to have one. But just like anyone: you do what the boss says or get another job! I would never work for those guys. 

SK how can any one be a fan of Kh Kh Kh KhaakbarSaremoon?

That's an oxymoron. I refuse to believe it Unless JK out right says it, no one with a brain who doesn't have a gun to their head can be a fan of that thing after 33 years of first hand taste of IRI.  The Akhoonds are smarter than that.

Their recipe has 2 steps 1) Lie to people, tell them nice things they want to hear to get them on your side 2) After you've got them under your control never let them breathe and if they dare think differently terrorize them, rape them, torture them, bully them and humiliate them.

They are representatives of Islam after all, they have to act this way, it's the path to heaven and away from hell from them.  A self perpetuating nighmare.  Akhunds are fools who are busy fooling others in a never ending process of taking people from good=free knowledge toward evil=ignorance and closed study. 

It's all about submission.  The purpose of this post was to help people free themselves, by seeing who the bad guys are wearing the black hats, versus who the good guys are wearing the white hats that want the best things for them, their freedom, happiness, love, peace, growth and education.

VPK Did you mean Gah-ter?

Some people like Carter have no vision, it's a democracy and big oil brought him to power not the people so the little nobody did his job and it caused him his position and reputation in US History, hard luck for him. He was looking for reasons that he could get rid of the Shah and asked his national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski could the shah ever betray America and hurt us if he just decided too and turn all the help we have given him against us. 

He said it was not possible that is one reason why the Shah is such a good ally for the USA.  So Carter was left without a plausible excuse.  He then was forced to pull strings to get the CIA to invent a fake profile of who they thought the shah was, mike wallace even interviewed the shah on it, and the reason for that was purely political, to give Carter a get out of jail card.  Just like today when the USA has no intention of bombing the mullah regime their political powers want for Iranians, so they produce a CIA National Intelligence estimate that says Iran stopped nuclear weapon research on xyz date.  These are political decisions not scientific ones, CIA does what its told by the head of the cia that is always put in place by each president.

What a Gah-ter!

JK

some of the things you are going to find in his " Resaleh " with no doubt are going to make you sick anyway.   So,yes, you better seek a doctor beforehand ....   lol

besides I think you are a fan of him, you sure sound like one. Cause this doctor comparison is an old trick.   

Anyway, another simillar book that I can refer you to is " Talmud ".  

You should know that untill the last century we did not have anything call " Resaleh " in Islam.   This is the latest import from Judaism.. Now, best of luck in finding anything close to logic in both of those books. Do  you know clergies are same reagrdleass of their religions. They kind of like to emphasis on things that are stupid rather than things that are mind blowing.

But if you are as clueless as you suggest, then i just recommend you read Quran and take a few courses in college on Islam . This way you may keep your sanity and actually feel very good.  No need for any doctor. 

: ) 

JK Anglophile is making a legitimate point too. As are you.

He's saying Hakim isn't just any "expert" or doctor as you are analogizing.

He says he was literally bedfellows with Khomeini and the Islamic regime and the drive to bring him to power. By the way do you have anything to share about the truth of that?  If anglophile is right and I have never seen him be factually wrong so far, he's doesn't make careless errors I sometime have, he's been accurate whenever I researched his claims, then you should find someone else. Disgraced people have motives to defend their mistakes.  This blog's about errors and he would be guilty of leading the biggest error in the entire history of Islam. No Joke.

It's like asking bernie madoff give you advice on whether he pursued good security practices. I get his point. Don't go there if it's true.