Last January I went to Germany and I had a chance to visit one of the biggest concentration camps in Europe: Sachsenhausen.
The camp was operating between 1936 and 1945. It was named after the Sachsenhausen quarter, part of the town of Oranienburg. The camp is sometimes referred to as Sachsenhausen-Oranienburg.
From 1936 to 1945 it was run by the National Socialist regime in Germany as a camp for mainly political prisoners; from 1945 to spring of 1950 it was run by the Stalinist Soviet occupying forces as "Special Camp No. 7" for mainly political prisoners.
On the front entrance gates to Sachsenhausen is the infamous slogan Arbeit Macht Frei (German: "Work makes free"). About 200,000 people passed through Sachsenhausen between 1936 and 1945. Some 100,000 inmates died there from exhaustion, disease, malnutrition or pneumonia from the freezing winter cold. Many were executed or died as the result of brutal medical experimentation.
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Dear Robin
by Zion on Wed Oct 22, 2008 04:22 PM PDTThanks for the feedback. Sorry I didn't check here till I saw your comment in the Chomsky thread just a few moments ago. I like your version. Yes, "skies" is a better translation than "sky". Luft is german for air and sky and skies. It is more the context that gives it those connotations.
Toda.
It's a very good translation...
by Rosie T. on Sat Aug 09, 2008 07:30 AM PDTA few years ago I translated the beginning on my own because I didn't like the translations I'd seen. This one does most of the things I did, ESPECIALLY keeping "Deutschland" as "Deutschland".
But I still like mine better here:
We are digging a grave in the skies, there we won't lie cramped in.
Lufte I was told means much more than just air or sky...it's like the heights of the sky...the skies...and so "da" is there, someplace further...and my rhthym is better. The other differences are up for grabs, I think.....
My ex-husband and I years ago had a musical duo called Black Milk.
Robin
WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN SMOKING" ROSIE"
by sam I am (not verified) on Fri Aug 08, 2008 11:55 PM PDTYou must be on drug ,cause you contradict yourself times after times,
I LOVE YOU
Thanks Zion!
by Azarin Sadegh on Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:04 PM PDT"...you'll rise up as smoke to the sky
you'll then have a grave in the clouds where you won't lie too cramped..."
...Such a powerful poem!
Thanks for sharing,
Azarin
Azarin
by Zion on Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:40 PM PDTIt was hard o watch as always, but a very poignant and beautiful music video. Thanks.
My favorite poem about the Holocaust is Celan`s `Todesfuge`. Have you read it?
//www.celan-projekt.de/todesfuge-deutsch.html (original German)
//www.nortonpoets.com/ex/celanp.htm#todes (English)
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c-hRmW0r-c
Anonym7, Thanks.
Disturbing video
by Azarin Sadegh on Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:19 AM PDTAs I was looking for some nice and nostalgic French songs...instead, I found this video.
Totally heartbreaking. Totally inhuman: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=dey3HRTJKEM
Azarin
good to see you back Zion!
by Anonym7 (not verified) on Fri Jul 18, 2008 06:57 AM PDTAlthough I disagree with you by default, it is good to see you back. BTW Zion, I still don't know if you are Iranian or not, otherwise I would tell you welcome in Isfahni accent (which as you may know is heavily influenced by the Jewish heritage of this magnificent city).
-- great to see you back
KADDISH ((The Hebrew Prayer For The Dead)
by Rosie T. on Fri Jul 18, 2008 06:13 AM PDTYis'ga'dal v'yis'kadash sh'may ra'bbo, b'olmo dee'vro chir'usay v'yamlich malchu'say, b'chayaychon uv'yomay'chon uv'chayay d'chol bais Yisroel, ba'agolo u'viz'man koriv; v'imru Amen
Y'hay shmay rabbo m'vorach l'olam ul'olmay olmayo.
Yisborach v'yishtabach v'yispoar v'yisromam v'yisnasay, v'yishador v'yis'aleh v'yisalal, shmay d'kudsho, brich hu, l'aylo min kl birchoso v'sheeroso, tush'bechoso v'nechemoso, da,ameeran b'olmo; vimru Amen.
Y'hay shlomo rabbo min sh'mayo, v'chayim alaynu v'al kol Yisroel; v'imru Amen.
Oseh sholom bimromov, hu ya'aseh sholom olaynu, v'al kol, vimru Amen
* * *
Blessed, praised, glorified, exalted, extolled, honored elevated and lauded be the Name of the holy one, Blessed is he- above and beyond any blessings and hymns, Praises and consolations which are uttered in the world and say Amen.
May there be abundant peace from Heaven, and life, upon us and upon all, and say, Amen.
* * *
Silencio. Silence. Ruhe
Khaamoosh
IROCKY EXPOSED THE CRIMES OF ZIONISTS PS Abermard
by Rosie T. on Thu Jul 17, 2008 09:12 AM PDTRocky, in various places below.They are too well-known by Anti-Zionists for me to have to expose them here in detail because the thread is inhabited by anti-Zionists, because THEY DROVE AWAY THE ZIONISTS AWYABY CALLING THEM NAZIS repeatedly. I explained this too. WHY SHOULD I PREACH TO THE CONVERTED? Expose what to who? x
I SAID in a thread below that there are and have been unscrupulous Zionists in echelons of power who have manipulated Zionism and the Holocaust for their own Machiavellian reelpolitik power agendas. I spoke of the Holocaust Industy. I spoke of George Bush expediting weapons to Lebanon last year that were used on civilians, from his POWER CENTER IN WASHINGTON.. x I SAID these things you claim I didn't say.
IF THIS THREAD WERE POPULATED NOW BYZIONISTS I'D BE TALKING TO THEM EXACTLY THE SAME WAY I"M TALKING TO YOU GUYS. But they were driven away.
AND I DIDN' TELL YOU TO HUG OR KISS ANYONE. I told you to talk to people. You are GROSSLY MISCHARACTERING MY WORDS with a VERY distasteful facetious hyperbole which TWISTS them and misrepresents my character, intelligence, words, work and ideology. AFTER I HAVE TIRELESSLY SPOKEN OF THE PRIMACY OF CARE WITH SEMANTICS IN POLITICAL DISCUSSIONS BECAUSE SLOPPY LANGUAAGE LEADS TO PROPAGANDA WHICH LEADS TO COERSION.
And coersion leads to totalarianism. And the Nazis were totalitarians.As are the Israelis and their allies in the power centers elsewhere toward the Palestinians.
You are treadin gon VERY thin ice. You are becoming what you most deplore. This is aa VERY common human phenomenon. Be careful not to fall into the freezing water.
Rosie
PS Abermard, Thanx
Well said Rosie
by Abarmard on Thu Jul 17, 2008 08:48 AM PDTRosie I also believe in one state solution. That is the most humane way. That would work for all. Why not be a country and take advantage of all the people, have diversity and be an example to the rest. What a dream ha?
Thanks
Zionists have manipulated the world order and I am not talking
by rocky-1 (not verified) on Thu Jul 17, 2008 07:01 AM PDTabout some conspiracy. They do it outright in the open. American foreign policy towards Middle East has become a joke in the eyes of the world. Almost no politician in the United State and European countries have the heart to disagree with the zionists. Even the small non-zionist jewish minority is attacked viciously by zionists' attack dogs.
You expect us to hug and kiss them and patiently wait for them to change their mind while their crimes against humanity continues? Are you kidding?This approach will never work.
Now that the zionists have the absolute power politically, economically and militarily they act like any other vicious, greedy, blood thirsty power. Forget about your grandmother or your mother. They are the silent followers of this destructive, racist idealogy that has enslave a whole nation of Palestinians and has been attacking anybody who resist it.
Pay attentoin to the real zionist power centers in Washington and every other corridor of power in United States and elswhere. Jews are losing the world's sympathy on a large scale and they don't care just like the Nazi Germans who didn't care about other peoples' opinions. It doesn't matter how many Schindlers Lists they make or how many times a month they publish some pictures of the Hitler's atrocities. Their atrocitis is the on going atrocites now while Hitler has been dead more than 60 years.
Why don't you start to expose the zionist about their crimes in your jewish community? Why don't you publish the pictures of the Palestinian childrens on the jewish websites and give us the link to go and check it out? All we get from you is "Let my people go". Well it's the other way around, the zionists should let the rest of the people in the Middle East have some kind of life.
TO ALL: ALL PLEASE read
by Rosie T. on Thu Jul 17, 2008 06:58 AM PDTDo you know how many Israeli soldiers became "refuseniks" after returning from duty in Palestine? Do you know that the Israeli governmnet incarcerates them for about a year and then RE-DRAFTS them so they can be RE-INCARCERATED? Do you know that they KEEP ON REFUSING TO SERVE and spend YEARS of their youth, the best years of thier live3s, when they should be having FUN and STUDYING and having SEX and getting MARRIED and startingCAREERS, going in and out of jail? Do you know that for the brief time they ere out they spend it all in the Peace Movement? And do you know that for all this SACRIFICEn to the Palestinian cause, quite a few of them still remain Zionists believing i n a two (now three) state solution because they still believe in a JUST Jewish "homeland" because of fear of extermination,due to the horror of their recent history?
Do you know how many German soldiers in World Woar II went MAD over the horrors they saw? Do you know Hitler had to allow soldiers including members of the SS to refuse to serve in the concentration camps because of the psychological damge inflicted on SO MANY them? x?
YES GENIUSES QUITE RIGHT ZIONISM AND NAZISM ARE THE SAME BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH SPELLED WITH A Z. x
And do you know what that means?It means that even under the most hideous depredations imaginable, there are still humans with HUMANITY on the "side" of the perpretrators.. TALK to them patiently. HELP them. PERSUADE them.
I HEREBY DECLARE MYSELF A NAZI, A ZIONIST , A FOLLOWER OF THE GANG OF FOUR. I am a follower of Cheney. Of Khomeini. Of Pol Pot. Of Stalin. Pinochet. And do you know why? BECAUSE I AM A HUMAN. ASK JAHANHAH, HEWORKED TEN YEARS FOR KHOMEINI.
HELP them. PERSUADE them.
Zionists! Israelis! Nazis! Germans! Tahitians! Bangla Deshis! Seventh Day Adventists! Members of the Elks Club!
And you have these "debates"s on HIS website predicated ont he principles of free speech and democracy. STOP THE HATE. Or you are hypocrites and you should leave his website right now. Because it is run by a follower of KHomeini.
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I'M NOT LEAVING THIS THREAD UNTIL ONE PERSON TELLS ME: I HAVE CHANGED< EVEN IN THE SMALLEST WAY. I will stop calling ALL Zionists Nazis. I will stop calling Zion a Nazi publicly even if I still think he is.because I know it will drive him away from the threads and I will no longer be able to publicly challenge him. OK, Rosie, I grasp the difference between "You ARE a Nazi" and "You are LIKE a Nazi". I will mind my semantics.
I twill try to find one nice colleague at work who is a Zionist amdnd dialog about Palestne ONCE in a FRIENDY way. I will write to ONE Israeli refusenik and congratulate him or her. I will websearch and find ONE attack on Jews initiated by Pallestinians, ONE, however TINY, that was not immediately and directly provoked by Jews BEFORE 1946, from a reliable NON-Zionist source whom I trust.
I am not leaving this thread until ONE person makes ONE small concession.
I CAN'T ASK THE SAME THING O F THE ZIONISTS ON THIS THREAD BECAUSE THEY AREN'T HERE. THAT'S HOW I STARTED. GO DOWN THE GTHREAD AND SEE MY FIRST POST TO ZION. I ASKED HIM TO MAKE ONE SMALL CONCESSON. BUT I COULDN'T CONTINUE OUR CONVERSATION BECAUSE SOME OFYOU DROVE HIM AWAY BY CALLING HIM A NAZI ON A THREAD OF DEEP MOURNING FOR THE VIXCTIMS OF SACHSENHAUSEN.
ANd I am not a Zionist. And I DEPLORE his politics.
And I don't blame him for leaving.
Robin
NO ROCKY ZIONISTS DO NOT FIXATE ON THE HOLOCAUST AT
by Rosie T. on Thu Jul 17, 2008 04:42 AM PDTTHE EXPENSE OF THEIR OWN DEPREDATIONS AGAINST THE HOPALESTINIANS FOR EVIL REASONS. I ALREADY EXPLAINED THIS BELOW. I WISH PEOPLE WOULD READ UP THE THREADS AL LITTLE> I WILL EXPLAIN AGAIN/
It is a common psychological mechanism resulting fromEXTREME trauma. What has beendone to the person is so terrible that they keep re-living it but they can't relive it oowith themselves as the victim because it's so unbearble they'd go mad,so they inflict it on others. I believe it ahappened because the Holocaust survivors did not get the intensive psychiatric help they should have been given
Of course there were depredations before 1946, but nothing like today. I do admit that there were ALWAYS unscrupulous Zionist leaders in the high echelonms of power who EXPOITED the Holocaust purely for reasons of personal gain through Macchiavellian reelpolitik strategies. But this can be said of anywhere. For example (agree or not) many people believe that BUsh is an idiot and Cheney is the Machiavellian one).
Now you may say what about the Zionists world-wide who support Israel, they weren't necessarily traumatized by the Holoocaust experiences personally. But they WRE. My mother was not a victim of Hitler, her family came here from Moldava in the 1880's, they were POGROM victims. But my mother in the 1970's one hundredyears after the emmigration of her family and 30 years after the Holocaust had nightmares every night about the Nazis.
Trauma. Help them. Understand them. Explain patiently. IF YOU KEEP ON VILLIFYING THE ORDINARY ZIONIST WITH NO UNDERSTANDING OF THIS TRAUMA YOU WILOL NEVER WIN A SINGLE HEART OR MIND AND THEN YOU ARE PART OF THE PALESTINIAN PROBLEM NOT THE SOLUTION.
rOBIN
I wonder why we never see any pictures of the Gaza concentration
by rocky-1 (not verified) on Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:23 PM PDTcamp? Gaza concentration camp has more than 1.2 refugees, they're being starved, bombed, attacked, terrorized and humiliated on a daily basis in the present moment. But the jewish propaganda machine always shows us events as old as 70 years old.
Why is it? Is it because they want to distract people's attention from their own genocidal acts against the people inside the Gaza concentration camp? Jews of the world are not winning any new friends or sympatizers among Iranians while destroying another nation.
It's amazing to see how roles people play change. Jewish people have changed from being victims to victimizers.
ZioNazis, masters of public smear campaign
by Mehdi on Wed Jul 16, 2008 09:16 PM PDTYou really practice that well, don't you? All the fanciest elements of smear campaign present. Our kind Rosie is actually falling for your treachery. What snakes!
in defense of Zion (to mehdi)
by Anonym7 (not verified) on Wed Jul 16, 2008 07:19 PM PDTMehdi, it is very rare that I agree with Zion. I have criticized him many times for his war warmongering politics and a few times for his racist statements. I don't intend to get into details of the exchanges you have had with him, however I must tell you that despite my disagreements with Zion, I have found him to be much more reasonable and interesting than many extremist anti-Iranians (MKEs, Imanies, Rashidians, and even Muslim anti-Iranians). Zion's politics is bad but by no means I have found his personality to be bad. It is one iranian.com and there is one like Zion in iranian.com we need more of him to engage with us not fewer.
No, Mehdi! I'm NOT politcally correct! I'monly correct to what I
by Rosie T. on Wed Jul 16, 2008 02:10 PM PDTIbelieve in, the truth as best I can perceive it. And I believe STRONGLY in semantic correctness in the political arena, where misuse of language breeds propaganda which breeds coersion. So even if out of this whole discussion here ALL you do is stop saying Zion IS a Nazi or subscirbes to the Nazi ideology (which is FALSE) and you start saynig he resembles...or displays traits of...however many traits...I think that's a good beginning. And I'm happy. :o)
But I ain't politically correct, Mehdi. I'm just a PEACE activist. What do you expect me to do as such? Berate people in the name of a hopeful fbright future? IT WON'T WORK
Zion knows DAMN WELL what I think of the Zionist machine (not of individual Zionists btw such as my sweet 82 year old mother in Miami). He used to tell me that I'd betrayed the entire Jewish people and he no longer believes this and we have learned to respect eahchother. AND I LIKE THAT! The more respect, the better people HEAR each other. And, look, he's NOT Netanyahu. He's just NOT.
Do you think Netanyahu would spend so much time hanging out here? And dialoguing with people who have utter distatse for all his political beliefs? And as far as not dialoguing with you today Mehdi....well why would he? You kept calling him a Nazi!
Can't you find ONE SINGLE THING to respect about this man? Even if onlythat he keeps coming back here?
Sigh...
Rosie
x
Robin
Shiny Head Neocon Me! / Malekeh Confusion
by Rosie T. on Wed Jul 16, 2008 01:20 PM PDTMalekkeh, for some reason I was confusing you with Shiny Head and the Japanese internment camps. I didn't mean to say I was drafting a reply to you. Did I? I don't think I was supposed to, was I? If yes, say yes, if no, no need to say anything.
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SHINY HEAD: Why yes, you guesed it! I AM a favorite among Iranian Neocons. And I also plan to have dinner with Maryam Rajavi in Amman next week with Queen Nor. And Kamenei is my special "john." I charge him $10,000 for an evening and he ferries me back and forth on a private jet. And oh the blast I had last year in Nice ..I am a favorite of MANY diverse factions on the international Iranian political scene in the higher echelons of power.
Ya know, SH, I was drafting you this whole post encouraging you to really write that article about the Japanese internment camps during World War II but on second thought...maybe you'd best not publish ANTHING in a public forum until you...until you....
have your shiney head examined. Unless you were just joking. And I just didn't "get it."
Rosie
Oh god, oh god, I'm SORRY Alireza, I simply could not resist....
"x
Robin
by Zion on Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:19 PM PDTSorry but I just won`t denigrate myself by tackling such a dirty mob regarding this particular topic.
I am writing this comment itself only out of respect for you, and for Alireza, Azarin and a few others who have proven themselves as decent and respectable individuals.
Rosie: Show me a difference between Zion and a Nazi
by Mehdi on Wed Jul 16, 2008 08:23 AM PDTHe advocates violence against "Arabs" and justifies it based on his daily "never again" brainwashing that these arabs are apparently Nazi leftover or have Nazi mentality! This is PRECISELY what the Nazis said about the jewish people - that any problem in their society was because of the them. Zion claims that Israel is justified in their killing because "certain amount of violence" is "necessary" to counter the Nazi leftover that lives within Arabs - I guess he and his infamous Mosad decide what is "certain amount." I look very hard and see no DIFFERENCE between Zion's mentality and Nazism. What is the point of mourning for the victims of Holocaust if we are going to legitimize an identical activity? Isn't that the ultimate hypocricy? Zion is welcome to make some statements and denounce the failure of Israel in 60 years to take ANY step towards improving conditions (no, buying more advanced weapon system does not count). I think you are getting too wrapped up in the BS known as political correcness which is there to help the criminals do whatever they want to get away with it because "we all need to be sensitive" or some such nonsense. I refuse to be sensitive to a criminal who has the most advanced weapons and ready to shoot. If that makes me insensitive, maybe I should wait for the ZioNazis to kill everyone and not hurt their feelings. After all, it seems they need to murder and we should all be sensative and understand it, ha? They have been a victim and I guess now we should let them murder a whole race so that they will feel better, ha? Would that then make me a sensative person?
Alireza, Azarin Mehdi/Zion
by Rosie T. on Wed Jul 16, 2008 08:17 AM PDTAlireza, Azarin, I suspect you share my opinion that it it is an abomination to politicize this thread of mourning. . Ihad intended to ask Jahanshah if he thought it was appropriate to shut it down for blogging on these grounds, WITH AN EXPLICIT COMMENT SAYING WHY.
But then Mehdi replied to me and made a small concession on hate speech so I'm going to wait and see if these two, him and Zion,might engage in some constructive exchange, HOWEVER INFINITESMAL
I am moved by but do not agree iwth Azarin's statement that the voices of fools should be ignored. First of all I believe in the triumph of human reason over foolishness with time and patience. Second of all, it is individual voices such as these that are responsible for these attrocities ultimately. Did you know that the reason the INDIVIDUAL voice of Hitler had time and space to deveklop his power bas was that he was so ridiculed by the vast majority of German people as a CLOWN that Hitler was ignored?
I do not agree that thee voices sohuld be ignored. I believe htey should be RESPECTED as voices of ILLNESS tha DESERVE and NEED to be CURED.
It has happened before, and I HATE TO TRY ON THIS THREAD OF MOOURNING BBECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY THIS IS WHERE THESE VOICES AR RIGHT NOW.
ON BOTH SIDES OF THE MIRROR. Yes, MEHDI, ZION, I SAID MIRROR.
I apologize Alireza. Thank you for making our pilgrimage to Sachsenhausen (I made one once to Auschwitz/Birkenau myself) and for giving us these photos. Shalom.
Robin
Ahmed x
by Rosie T. on Wed Jul 16, 2008 08:37 AM PDTAhmed, thank you for the link. I'm very aware of all of this. I KNOW the Palestinains can't work. I KNOW about the checkpoints intentionally olaced so those few who still had jobs in Israel so they couldnt't get there and the hours they have to stand there and the humilliations they endure. I know about the shootings of teenagers. I know about the wholesale razing of civilian houses, of Rafa and Jenin. ABOUT THE WALL WHICH INMHO IS NOT SO MUCH LIKE A KONZENTRAZIONSLAGER (VERNICHTUNGSLAGER--extermination camp, i.e. Aushcwitz) as like the WARSAW GHETT BUT LIKE THE WARSAW GHETTO. Intenment, however brutal is NOT the same as extermination.
And I know about what happened in Lebanon exactly one year ago, How willages were warned that if anyone did not evacuate they would be considered Hezbollah and killed. how those who could evacuate encountered trees blocking the roads and then were shelled, the use of chemical weapons--on CHILDREN, sthe destruction of the entire Lebanese infrastructure JUST REBUILT within two days WITH GEORGE BUSH EXPEDITING THE NECESSARY WEAPONRY.
On my dime.
BUT STALIN'S PURGES EXTERMINATED 20 MILLION PEOPLE. THE HOLOCAUST HOW MANY MILLIONS-JEWS AND MANY OTHER GROUPS? WHY AM I THE ONLY PERSON ON THIS THREAAD TALKIGN ABOUT THE GAYS< THE GYPSIES< THE DISSIDENTS< THE RETARED THE DISABLED, THE POLES, EVEN CWERTAIN PROTESTANT GROUPS?
YOU QUOTED ME OUT OF CONTEXT. I WAS SIMPLY POSTULATING A HIERARHY OF ATTROCITY IN THE TWENTIETH CENTURY BASED ON SHEER NUMBERS OF PHYSICAL HUMAN SUFFERING, TORTURE AND MASS MURDER. It wasn't a VALUE JUDGEMNET. It was just ARITHMETIC
So if you want to debate me, please do the math. STALIN: TWENTY MILLION. Should I ask Foaad to reinstitute the Captch a Quiz for registered users so we can practice arithmetic once again?
Ethnic cleansing, apartheit, cultural genocide and actual genocide are four closely related but not equal things. The Palestinain situation at this point IMHO is an ethnic cleansingapartheid now so threateniing to livelihood, life and limb, that it VEERS toward genoicide.
But it ain't gotten there yet.x. ANd I DOUBT VERY MUCH IT WILL. The world will not permit it. And believe it or not, I doubt very muchthe Israeli people will either.
They are cpable of blinding themselves to many things (as are we all btw, me, you too), but one thing they are highly allergic to is the stench of incinerated corpsesfollowing mass executions.
Shalom Salaam. May peace be upon you.
Rosie T.
Re: Azarin
by Alireza Ajam on Wed Jul 16, 2008 03:58 AM PDTthanks for your comment and kindness and you are welcome.
Rosie's posting stated
by Ahmed from Bahrain on Wed Jul 16, 2008 02:55 AM PDT" Even the horrendous situation of the Palestinians cannot be compared to
the Holocuast (OR Stalin's purges) in level of attrocity. It iis
depredation but it is not an attempt at extermination."
With respect to your background which I have read very carefully and your fine logic, I take offence at the last para. Take a close look at the numbers: whether number of villages, people, prisoners or olive groves. Israel has sytematically culled Palestinians off the map of their own country and turned them into villains for defending their turf. This is just a small example of what is available for study:
//ifamericansonlyknew.com/
If that is not systematic I wonder what is? It is more like a slow death; a cancer.
Today's victim is tomorrows perpetrator, unless one breaks the cycle spiritually and I mean spiritually not just some fancy academic words. For a starter: let go of this victimhood mentality that is taught from Exodus, Pogroms, Holocaust and now to terrorist Arabs wanting to throw Jews int the sea.
Peace be upon all Creation.
Ahmed from Bahrain
Nazi Hunt: :Nazi fugitive sought in Chile
by Darius Kadivar on Wed Jul 16, 2008 01:43 AM PDTWatch BBC Report:
//news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7497611....
DAMMIT ZION DAMMIT MEHDI IT MATTERS! PS Malekeh
by Rosie T. on Wed Jul 16, 2008 01:28 AM PDTZion, it matters! It's about language.
and God said, Let there be light!
Good thoughts, good words, good deeds.
In the beginning was the Word.
Mehdi made a concession, Zion. Yes, it's a small one, yes, he was flippant, but if I undertand him correctly he does not intend to say that you or another Zionist are Nazis. At least not on this thread. And it's something. It's a small something, but it's something.
Mehdi, please, I'm serious. I want you to ask him. Do you support the complete extermination of the Palestinian people except for those children used for medical experiments? Please, do it for me, for all the work I've put into this thread.
Zion, please, I want you to answer him. Please, do it for me. As a friend.
Please, both of you. Do it.
Robin
PPS Malekeh, I haven't forgotten. I'll get backthothe Japanese in a day or tow.
This space of disappearance...
by Azarin Sadegh on Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:54 AM PDTThanks a lot Alireza for posting your wonderful pictures!
You have grasped so hauntingly the horror and the silence of that space of disappearance.
I am going to show these pictures to my kids so they would know. So they would remember.
Please don’t worry much about some of the nonsensical comments in this thread. They're pretty irrelevant compared to the horror that the victims of Nazis had to go through, and compared to the weight of the darkness in your shadowy images telling the story of our inhumanity in such an unforgettable way.
Thank you!
Azarin
Robin
by Zion on Tue Jul 15, 2008 09:56 PM PDTWhy do you waste your time with these pathetic jerks here? Leave them free and let them reveal the ugliness inside. No every pile of crap needs an answer.
Moni, your`re sick are you? What`s the matter? Don`t want to be reminded what your kind did back then?
As Robin said, why do you click here in the first place. You said your crap, now just F* off.
Dear Moni, if you're so SICK of the Holocaust, why did you view
by Rosie T. on Tue Jul 15, 2008 09:12 PM PDTthis photo essay?
Did you come here to convince others that WE should be sick of it too? If that is your intention, don't you think your comment is inadequate to change anyone's mind.
I don't get it, Moni. I just asked Mehdi the same thing I'm gonna ask you:, what do you hope to accomplish?
Rosie
Mehdi, yes and no. It's a real improvement.!
by Rosie T. on Tue Jul 15, 2008 09:06 PM PDTBut there are still problems with language. Words create. Words destroy. I'm serious. So we have to be very careful with language especially here because it's all we have, so:
1. You CAN"T say Zion supports Nazism per se because Nazism is a specfic racial and political ideology prevalent mainly between 1932 and 1945 n Germany which targeted Jews among others etc. etc. . Zion is not affiliated with this party.
2. You say he displays ALL the characteristics of a Nazi. Are you sure? Have you asked him, for example, whether he supports the total extermination of the Palestinian people through gassing, non-treatment after massive exposure to cholera, etc? Medical experimentation on Palestinian twins?. I don't know. You'll have to ask HIM. If he says no, you'll have to take out the ALL.
And then I'll be happier.
The OTHER major problem is tactical. You'll never change him, not one iota, if you use that word so often and so loosely. It won't WORK, so why do it? Iaalready asked you that downstairs on this thread. What do you hope to accomplish? Win hearts and minds or warmonger? Perhaps you think Zion is such a tough old bird. that he's intractable. So much the better. Practice on him. It'll help you win the hearts and minds of Zionists who are not so intractable.
Oh, I HOPE Zion comes back here! I can't wait.
Rosie