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Worthwhile to examine "election" vs. "appointment"

A straight technical answer to the Mossadegh election vs. appointment issue is that a member of the Majles nominates someone to be recommended to the Shah. The Majles votes on the nomination (this is the election part) and submits the recommendation to the Shah who either approves or declines Majles' recommendation (this is the appointment part). The hard part is that quite a lot of chicanery seem to have been at work in every step of the nomination, election, and appointment process. For example, it was Jamal Emami, an on-the-surface anti-Mossadegh Majles member who brought about the nomination of  Mossadegh in the first place! During an anti-Mossadegh Majles speech Emami challenged Mossadegh to take the helm of state if he thought he could do better. This seemed like a rhetorical device, but Mossadegh took it as a nomination and said he would gladly accept the challenge. Immediately there was a vote and Mossadegh won 79-12. The Shah then accepted Majles recommendation against the will of the British, on the apparent motive that Mossadegh was too popular and he had to accede to the Majles. As a condition for accepting Majles nomination, Mossadegh demanded immediate ratification of his oil nationalization bill.

From one perspective it looks like the Shah favored oil nationalization (what Iranian wouldn't?) but wanted to make it appear to the British that he had no choice about it one way or the other. Arguable, but the point is that the issue is quite tangled and needs a lot more research. For example the motives of each of the 72 members who voted for Mossadegh and the 12 who didn't needs to be researched. What were their political inclinations and what level of support did they have for the Shah at the time of the vote?In other words, did the Shah secretly engineer Mossadegh's primiership so that oil could be nationalized, but was double-crossed by Mossadegh when Mossadegh used the opportunity to also go after control of the army?

HG

in contrast to the prime minister, the president is directly elected by the people.*

Not always it all depends on the particular nation. In United States President is NOT directly elected by the people. It is elected by the "electoral college" which is a set of people sent by each state. They are free to vot for anyone they want.

In practice they vote based on how their state voted. But states delegates are not proportional to their population. They are the sum of Senators and Representatives. Therefore Montana get 3 even though it has a low population. 

Other nations have presidents who are appointed. Please with all due respect learn the systems before writing. 

isn't that how it works?

isn't that how it works? the majles is supposedly elected by the people.  (emphasis on supposedly)  then the majles elects a prime minister.  hence, the prime minister is supposedly and indirectly elected by the people.  but afshin is right, the shah circumvented the constitution and selected everyone with consultation with his advisors.  i agree that is a far-fetched to say mosadegh was democratically elected since there was no democratic institution in iran.  however, for whatever it's worth, one can safely claim that mosadegh was popular among the people (then and now).

in contrast to the prime minister, the president is directly elected by the people.*

* in countries with actual democracies. 

Kazem

I don't know how things would have been in Mossadegh remained. I do know he did not hold to power and is none now. People around him made a myth and used it to raise hate against the Shah and install the Khomeini regime.

No Shah was not perfect and I have criticized him big time on IC. But what is worse than "Character Assassination" is the myth. What did it do for us? All it managed was to get more anger and discontent. For better or worse he is gone now.

Isn't a better use of our time to think about the future? Or should we be good Shia and find another Imam Hossain? This time named Dr. Mossadegh and beat ourselves over him. I rather work for the future than debate an event over half a century past.

Choghok: Lesson number two about systems

Iran did not have the same system as Germany or Sweden. It had its own system and in Iran PM was not elected. It was an appointed position. You need to realize not all Parliamentary systems as the same.

Germany has no "King" to appoint a PM. Do you think all Parliamentary systems are the same? FYI: they are not; each one is different based on its own nation. Once again: go read the Iranian Monarchist Constitution and learn something.

Mossadegh served as an elected  member of Majlis.. But as PM by Shah's appointment.That means Shah could toss him out of PM any time he wanted. Believe me I am truly sick of talking about Mossadegh. But these lies and this myth has to stop.

Not all great men are elected

Not all elected men are great.

Was Gandhi elected?   

Why Mossadegh’s Ghajar dynasty roots must make him a Ghajar  like politician?  There’s no clinical or biological evidence for such claims.

No one can be certain of the outcome if Mossadegh had stayed.   Although in my opinion he would have introduced elections to the then Iran which had very little if any exposure to what we call elections today.

This kind of pointless hate ridden character assassination is unnecessary and only strengthens the Akhoonds, pasdars  and Khamenei.

Lesson number one about prime ministers

Prime ministers are not voted for by people anywhere, it does not mean they are not elected. In Britain or Germany or Sweden or Denmark, nobdy votes for a specific person to become pime minister, but the prime minister is always called elected by the people because the parliament has chosen him from a majority that people have voted.

So Mosadeq was elected by the people, and his oath was with the people and not Shah. And he also did not betray Shah, Shah betrayed the people when accepting Englands deal when it was not in his power or rights to do so.

Please learn about parlamentary system before calling names. 

Re: Democratically ELECTED???

Afshin is right this whole myth of "Democratically Elected" is bull. He was elected to the Majlis not to PM. The problem is both Western and Iranians lie about it. They don't know or pretend not to know. To all who do not know this:

• If you do not know about this educate yourselves and stop the myth.
• If you know but are lying about it shame on you.
• If you know and tell the truth then good for you.

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We still in the past

How long do we want to dwell in the past; how about now. Yet another move to the past. How about we have a new Ashura for Mossadegh? With people screaming "Ya Mossadegh"; then hitting themselves on the head and chest.

Looks more like Yoda, IPad users look for Project Ajax

For those with Ipad, look for project Ajax on App Store, it is a great animtion book about the subject.

 Trivia:His screenplay,

 Trivia:His screenplay, "The Apology", co-written by Amir Ohebsion and Babak Shokrian, took first place in the 2004 Slamdance Film Festival Screenplay Competition, announced at the Writer's Guild of America in Los Angeles.See more »

A state of war only serves
as an excuse for domestic tyranny.

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Born December 11, 1918

David Diaan

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Actor (18 titles):

2010
Nose Job    LOL @ title

2011
NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service

2011
Mossadegh

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Mossadegh

Hope  it is real story about him.Rest we will judge. Do not care about our noise.This is Iranian culture to beach all the time, if they do not like it.

Thanks to Ari for the info and apology to Mehrdadm ...

... who posted this piece for being  such an ungrateful b..s..rd of a reader! I am a lazy, inpatient and irritable reader who just could not get enough caffeine in his 10 mins break between  the jobs.

Re the make up

Without any intention to sound superficial, this is one of the worst make up jobs I've ever seen! It's not just the gigantic nose that seems out of proportion and character (though Dr. Mossadegh's nose was not small either), but rather the whole package that seems more befitting of a villain than a protagonist! Perhaps it's the actor himself that can not fill the character -- particularly lacking the calming effect that inherently existed in Mossadegh's demeanours!

Donald Pleasence

He looks like Donald Pleasence the guy in the early Halloween movies.

Oh yes, he did also play  007 head of Specter with the white cat //www.imdb.com/media/rm2619783936/nm0000587

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Tks Ari For The Link To "Fb" .....

Look Forward To Seeing It - Should Be Interesting ..... !

Now, that’s what I call a real Persian nose.

He’s look like one of those bad guys in 007, he is just missing a cat.

I wonder why Islamic republic hasn’t made one about him yet? 

Next screening: Irvine California

Saturday January 14. 12:30 PM. Irvine International Film Festival.

Website of Festival.  This film is a "short" (24 minutes).

You can keep track of screenings on the Facebook page. Looks like there may be a screenig in Germany in the next few months.

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Good luck

Looks like a professional effort. The nose does look distractingly large (if it's a prop) but I hope the story and acting will cover it up.

An incomplete and unprofessional reporting of an otherwise ...

...  interesting and newsworthy cinematic event.  The person who submitted this article could not even be bothered to provide answers to some very basic questions that a reader expects from a professional media reporting website :
By whom  and where this movie was produced? Who funded it?  Who is going to distribute it ?  When and where  is it due for screening?

Sometimes one wonders whether there is an editorial  intervention or supervision when events of this nature is selected for publication.

Darius jaan as long as Ben Kingsley plays an Iranian icon!

I am not bakhil he can play Khomeini or Shah (although Sean Connery would play Khomeini better ;-) but Ben Kingsley was always the top choice for Mossadegh from day 1 = as soon as he played Ghandi! 

Everything is sacred

Esfand Aashena Jan I'm afraid you were Too late ... ;0)

He is already taken ... 

Crash of 79

But your right I agree Ben could be a good choice for Mossadegh

Ben Kingsley should've played Mossadegh, Darius jaan u agree?!

I'll be looking forward to this movie but I wished Hollywood would've made this movie, not an Independent one.  Perhaps someone like Clint Eastwood, Oliver Stone, Mel Gibson of someone like those.  Ben Kingsley would've also be more known to Iranian audiences per House of Sand and Fog. 

Everything is sacred

Cyrano de Mossadegh ... ;0)

Other than the fact that David Diaan Is a Fine, talented and good looking actor in his own right although without that "Cyrano" Like Nose they put in spite of his face ...

Although I wouldn't call Mossadegh a Beauty Queen:

pictory: Mossadegh The Gentleman (1950's)

But he definitively wasn't as ugly With that make up I mean ...

Although I am sure he was as competently Funny ...

YES, PRIME MINISTER: A Step By Step Guide To Mossadegh's Premiership and the Coup of '53 ...

LOL

Sorry Couldn't help myself ...

Cyrano de Bergerac (1950) -"Nose Speech" & "Fencing Ballade"

à La Fin de L'envoie Je Touche !

;0)

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MOSSADEGH: David Diaan In New Film On Mossadegh's Last Days

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AMERICA SO BEAUTIFUL : Babak Shokrian's bitter sweet film on the Iranian diaspora by Darius KADIVAR

I can't wait to watch it...

Hope it won't be a disappointment

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad