Iran shows film of captured US drone

Appears without major damage

BBC: Iranian TV has shown the first video footage of an advanced US drone aircraft that Tehran says it shot down near the Afghan border. The film was captioned "RQ170 - advanced US spy plane" and carried on the Vision of the Islamic Republic of Iran Network 1 channel. US officials have acknowledged the loss of the unmanned aircraft. Pentagon officials said they were concerned about Iran possibly acquiring information about the technology. The drone, known as a Sentinel, is the first such loss by the US >>>

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Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

We don't know

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

No matter what anyone says we don't know what happened. The  media does not tell us what happens. It is a war of deception and I don't waste a minute watching news. I rather watch Gilligan or something intelligent.

Face it: unless you are inside you don't know and you won't know. The only people who know are the military and high ups in America; Iran and maybe Russia. Otherwise keep making up *** just to feel like you know something. 


yolanda

...........

by yolanda on

Right now, all the RQ-170s are probably grounded. US has to make sure their drones won't get hijacked (taken-over or commandeered) again!


Jeesh Daram

It's a Trojan horse

by Jeesh Daram on

بچه اونقدر انگولکش نکن اسباب بازی که نیست،  تخم جن هی اون دستگیره رو چپ وراست میکنه.  آقایون و خانوما لصفا راه رو باز کنین تا آقایون سفرای روس و چین بتونن بیان و از نزدیک هواپیمارو ببینند.  رعایت حجاب را هم بفرمائید

farzad53

US Drone

by farzad53 on

I was reading all the comments regarding this issue and it is funny that we Iranian are the nation of conspiracy.did someone said that it was given to Iranian by Hekmatyar...??? I just had a good laugh.for what ever reason they have this Drone OK it is a very sufficticated system,even if Iran has the know how and the talent it will take few years before they can do anything with this.The west is about to attack Iran and the regim is also praying that this be done sooner so they can once again escape from the disaster that is awaiting them.They(AKHONDS) exactly know that the same future as GHADAFY is about to happen to them as well so the only way out is a war to stay in power for another 30years,(who knows how many years ).We better wakeup and stop it before it is to late.


Roozbeh_Gilani

جناب ‌خرس، چرا توهین میکنی‌؟ جهان سوم چیه؟

Roozbeh_Gilani


ما جهان دوازدهمیم!

ما سیلی‌ مثل دوره امام (ر‌ه) که هیچی‌، ما مشت می‌زنیم تو دهان این امپریالیست‌های امریکایی. درست مثل مشتی که به پوزه چنگیز مغول زدیم! اگر هم این اوباما کاکا سیاه، مثل چنگیز عصبانی‌ شد و حمله کرد به ایران، بمب اتمی‌ زد و از این حرف ها، بی‌ خیال، ما پاسپورت و گرین کارد آمریکائی و اروپای داریم، امن و امان.


Esfand Aashena

Last night this was in evening news and more news to come.

by Esfand Aashena on

This is major news in US and as usual "some" Iranians can't even see the "evidence" for what it is!  It is for sale, it is a fake, drones land themselves in enemy territory when there is a "malfunction", they have auto destruct sequence, an old Timsar said unmanned drones are less risky than manned planes!  duh! AND if it wasn't because of the 1979 revolution IRI would not have come to power, another DUH and blah blah blah!

Wasn't there a discussion here on i.com recently that we should collectively take responsibility and view the facts?  Didn't we blame Saadi and Hafez for all our problems and such?!

Yet the non-Iranian attitude by the American themselves is that this IS their drone and it IS a highly sophisticated drone and it WAS in a mission in Iran and they do NOT know how it ended up intact and it WAS used in highly prized missions such as capturing Osama Bin Laden and the list goes on and the American press will pursue it until they find out more about this incident.

If this was a show (like the photo shopped multiple Iranian missle  launches) the US officials would have said so immediately.  Suddently i.com has gone from a Dead Poet Society to drone Experts!  Or better yet, Experts on ALL angles except what the REAL answer may be!

So the FACT as at least in the words of the CBS Evening News was "this is a score for Iran".  One score yet we can't even see it!  Oh well, "some" Iranians will never learn and always turn a blind eye to whatever it is they don't "like", no matter what.  No Matter What! 

Everything is sacred


Khers

واقعا که چقدر بدبخت هستید

Khers


که پس از ۳۲ سال هارت و پورت و عربده کشی‌ و داد و بیداد که این را نابود میکنیم و آن را نابود میکنیم بزرگترین دستاورد انقلاب بزرگتان دزدی یک هواپیمای بدون سرنشین سقوط کرده و بالا رفتن از دیوار سفارت هاست.  به خدا که به شماها گفتن جهان سوم توهین به بقیه ملت‌های جهان سوم است.  شما‌ها مال عصر حجر هستید بد بختها.  


amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

Picture of Iranian agent who worked with mahdi to capture drone

by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on

//www.flickr.com/photos/jaxxon/93296381/

It's likely any day now for there to be a ceremony of the IRI agent receiving a medal, apparently his father is also Khameneii, so there will be much pride among supporters of the regime regarding the ever expanding capabilities of the IRI in the face of sanctions.


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Amirparviz

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

I know it is just frustrating to see all the other non sarcastic remarks. This is just what IRI wants to mke a big deal out of nothing. As I said if Americans start losing drones one a day then I be worried.

Meanwhile all this speculation is not going anywhere. For all this could be a model or a the real thing. It would be 100% fabricated or 100% true. American and Iranian authorities both know the truth. 

No one else does and we probably will not know. Yet another forum that people vent their anger and hate. Yet another place to rants and rave about things that which make no difference.


amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

VPK the comment was sarcasm about

by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on

the brain washing religion imposes on iranians, in place of providing knowledge it breeds ignorance.


MeyBokhor_Manbarbesuzan

I can see the logic!

by MeyBokhor_Manbarbesuzan on

Looking at the comments of the IC community experts on the subject, one can see why the Iranians are not capable of bringing down the drone.

The experts are all here so they cannot be in Iran!

Brain drain indeed. So many brains gone to drains -- literally. 


Joubin

Reviewed and Rebutted (@Disenchanted)

by Joubin on

//news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3331308

[Just in case you are not familiar with ycombinator's Hacker News, this is a forum where uber geeks (including sometimes famous geeks) of the SV startup tech scene gather to chew the fat.  It is a very tough tech audience and they call bs when they read it.] 


Disenchanted

Check this:

by Disenchanted on


Joubin

I really liked Timsaar ..

by Joubin on

"These drones have been in operation since 1915."

"UAVs have been under development since the beginning of flight." [source: //www.uavm.com/uavindustry/historicalbackground.html]

Early American drones: 

//www.vectorsite.net/twuav_01.html

 


Joubin

BBNaftee Jaan

by Joubin on

"If nothing else, I just found a new friend."

 :)

 "BTW I just did another scale measure of a known picture of RQ-170 (against the height of a deck crew which again I assumed to be 1.80m) and it came to 21.6m (wing span). ... nothing like the 9m wing span you get from the Iranian pictures."

Interesting. But imho it really doesn't matter. I have reached an analytical conclusion (but prefer not to share it).  As Bono says, it's better than the real thing ... 

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_bias

I suggest that you consider each dimension of this puzzle in isolation, and apply the Occam's razor. (Sorry for being cagey!)  Do not burden yourself with pondering the impossible, but to fully consider the possible.

 


BBNaftee

Joubin Dear

by BBNaftee on

If nothing else, I just found a new friend. I am sure we will follow this together. It will be interesting to see what is behind all of this. BTW I just did another scale measure of a known picture of RQ-170 (against the height of a deck crew which again I assumed to be 1.80m) and it came to 21.6m (wing span). ... nothing like the 9m wing span you get from the Iranian pictures.


BBNaftee

Joubin Dear

by BBNaftee on

If nothing else, I just found a new friend. I am sure we will follow this together. It will be interesting to see what is behind all of this. BTW I just did another scale measure of a known picture of RQ-170 (against the height of a deck crew which again I assumed to be 1.80m) and it came to 21.6m (wing span). ... nothing like the 9m wing span you get from the Iranian pictures.


Joubin

BBNaftee Jaan

by Joubin on

+1 to you!

 "Let's read the news over the next few days. It will be interesting indeed."

Indeed.

 


BBNaftee

Joubin Dear

by BBNaftee on

OK. you win!

The Aviationist Expert clearly says "Update: for those asking if it is a fake. No, I think it’s real. If it was fake they would do it in dark grey (as in all available pics to date)."....I had clearly missed that important detail (that if it was fake, it would be in dark grey)

and Debka says they are shocked!

Let's read the news over the next few days. It will be interesting indeed.


Joubin

So you don't have the spec?

by Joubin on

Here you go - Hi res pics.  I suggest you model this in CAD. That should be a standard issue gym, brick height would be std., and I am sure you can take it from there. 

//theaviationist.com/

And where is the spec?  You said "compared to the real RQ-170"

IMWTK. 


Joubin

"Israeli intelligence shocked"

by Joubin on

//www.debka.com/article/21550/

 [//bit.ly/uvHtsH]


BBNaftee

Definitely a FAKE

by BBNaftee on

Video commentary says the wing span is 26m, if you assume the taller uniformed guy is 1.80m, use him as scale, this aeroplane has a wing span of exactly 9m i.e. 34% of what they are claiming (totally out of scale). Wiki reports its estimated wing span between 20m and 27m. 9m is way short of any of these predictions.


Joubin

Its even better than you think ...

by Joubin on

"This thing is a fake. Air intakes and many of its other features are all wrong and dont make any sense compared to the real RQ-170."

(You have the specs of the real RQ-170? (!))

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrch66gdjjk


BBNaftee

Fake

by BBNaftee on

This thing is a fake. Air intakes and many of its other features are all wrong and dont make any sense compared to the real RQ-170. This raises several possibilities. 1- Mullah's have hidden away the real thing in a lead lined bunker somewhere underground (so it cannot sen back location info, cannot be bombed, cannot receive self-detenation signals). 2- The real thing had a really hard landing and is in small bits. 3- The real thing is already on its way to either China or Russia (swapped for something else they really need like S-300).

The TakeOver theory is for romantic fools. Even if you could "take over", the control and transmission systems would rely on security keys prior to accepting any control or navigation streams. Avtobaza can jam but cannot possibly work out the appropriate security key's (and there are likely to many and possibly rotating ones, on the fly (real time). So the end scenario could only be, Avtobaza jams, link is lost with home base, drone switches to auto-pilot, runs straight or circles till it can re-establish link. Either way, soft landing in a very mountainous terrain (such as Afghanistan or the border areas close to Iran would shred the drone in to pieces.

Take over is also unlikely because this drone is clearly aerodynamically unstable (requires fly by wire). FBW software will not normally sit on the drone computer but on the home base computer i.e. you would need to take over the home base computer + video feed (not likely since upon loss of link, operators would be alarmed , would identify a hijack condition of their own computers and take action (switch to back up control computer / transmission system etc.

 Have a very strong feeling that some one here is playing a game of some sort. Wait for a twist. It will come soon.


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Fesenjoon

by darius on

 

 

Before , I answer your question , is that a real thing on display or

a mock up build by IRFI within last 10 days of drone  missing? 

 

 


IranFirst

IRI already has Stealth Tech,It doesn't need this Aircraft(Pic)

by IranFirst on

 

IRI already has advanced Stealth Technology, It doesn't need this Aircraft. Thanks to Emam Hossein and Islam, IRI has implemented the following highly secret technology. These IRI forces are completely stealth. Please see and judge for yourself

 

//www.khodnevis.org/persian/%D8%B9%DA%A9%D8%A...

 


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Amirparviz

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on


This is what at least 75% of Iran believes to be true.

Which 79% the mountains or the deserts or is it the rocks. Iran is not a person to "believe" anything. Iranians are people and unless you did a survey you don't know. But of course all the people here are all knowing and never wrong.

This site is a gold mine of opinions without basis. This blog is a fine example. I have read many opinions claimed to be facts. It is almost as if there is a race to see who is the silliest and posts the most absurd.


amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

Most iranians know exactly what happened......

by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on

What really happened is the Mahdi gave the IRI advanced tractor beam technology from Allah to pull the drone from Afghanistan to their secret death star location in the mountain near Qom.  This is what at least 75% of Iran believes to be true.  Considering this, I think we should all support democracy for Iran.

 


yolanda

............

by yolanda on

Here is the title of an article in Mehr News on Dec 7:

China, Russia want to inspect downed U.S. drone

//www.mehrnews.com/en/newsdetail.aspx?NewsID=1478316

Thank you, Ari, for your funny post! LOL!


Fesenjoon2

darius

by Fesenjoon2 on

RQ-170 is a stealth plane. It cant be seen by radar, even the best Russian ones. All American stealth aircraft are designed around defeating Russian military radar systems. So there is no way it couldve been "hacked", because they couldnt know ahead of time where the drone was, and they cant see it.

//deepbluehorizon.blogspot.com/2011/12/did-iran-hack-our-secret-drone.html

The plane probably malfunctioned, and Iranians just got lucky. They have the drone, but the one in the IRI video is not real (see my previous post).