Iranian of the Day

Does anyone know when the funeral service for Nasrin will be?

I had posted something about her on my facebook and a friend who lives close to Toronto wanted to know where funeral service will be so she can go to it. If you read this and know about funeral time/place, please post here, so I can let my friend know. Thanks.

"Psychiatrist" not a "Psychologist"

Effective communications are weak in Iranian communities in Toronto mainly because most are new immigrants and are not familiar with the subject of insistancy in the Canadian society.

Kaveh had to be treated by a "Psychiatrist" not a "Psychologist" at such a dangerous stage of his mental health.  A Psychiatrist was able to take care of his unbalanced hormones.

p.s. I keep talking about Iranian communities in Toronto because we are in Iranian.com.  All have their own challenges. 

Two promising lives were destroyed

Rahaii

By my information, Nasrin was a hard working lady who was able to stand on her feet and take good care of her two beautiful daughters after divorce. It is so sad that people are making judgments about this case. As a person who works closely with abused women there is no excuse to harm and alternatively kill any women because they no longer wish to live with their husband. Kaveh was a depressed man who could not face the loss of power in his family. If Iranians, such as the wife’s best friend did not report the case it was perhaps because she did not know any better. Iranians are so proud that they barely ever ask for help mostly when it is about their personal family’s relationship. It is obvious that Kaveh needed to be under the care of a reliable psychologist to asses his level of depression. The first questions that should be asked from depressed people like him is; if they are capable of hurting themselves or others. This tragedy could have been prevented from happening? “No one knows for sure.” Should some precautious steps have taken place when alerting signs demonstrated by Kaveh’s behaviors? That could have been recognized if he was under care of a specialist. What do we learn from this tragedy? “To be more conscious when we know of another family dealing with the same issues. All that is in my mind at this time is that two promising lives were destroyed and two innocent girls will suffer until the end.

There is no excuse for murder

Specialy murdering mother of you own kids. If he couldn't have her as his wife, he could have had her as his best friend, and mother of his kids. Eventualy he too could find someone else to continue his life with. He needed more help than she did. Too bad he didn't get help, and his mental sickness got the better of him.

Azadi, my problem is with your wording

I like to know details too but whatever details turn out to be, we have to be careful about how we form our sentences. Actions per se don't lead others to reactions. When discussing reactions,we also have to discuss the other person and their way of thinking and responding to actions of others. Again, you write about what drove the man to kill.  My recommendation to you is to do some studies about domestic violence and its causes. Read about people who are prone to violence. Just do some studies.

Anahid, I stand behind my statement

As in there is always more to a murder than what you hear on the news and your perception of it. Police are still investigating this thing. I would rather know what drove that man to kill his wife and learn something from it than just form an opinion based on limited information.

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Wikipedia says Markham is one of most affluent municipalities in Canada. Chinese are the #1 ethnic group with 63,000 people, less 6000 Iranians live there!

Apparently the guy killed his wife and refused to surrender....now their kids are scarred for life!

Where was Mrs. Shiva Maghsodi's Persian pride?

Mrs. Shiva Maghsodi proudly introduced herself to the reporter, and explained what Nasrin had told her.

The minimum she could have done to dial the case worker phone number, and ask her friend, Nasrin Toreihi, to repeat the same sentences to her case worker. Or she could have used email after helping Nasrin to organize her thought with some examples reasoning why she had thought her husband was going to kill her.

Responsibility never had an appropriate meaning in Iranian culture. I assume all Mrs. Shiva Maghosid had done entertaining herself by telling 100 other Iranians rather than to care and take a responsibility.

Child

What happend to the daughter now? So sad.

Horrible sentence azadi

You wrote:" Who knows the real story behind what lead him to kill her." Your kind of thinking is the kind of troublesome thinking that Iranians have to get rid of. You are implying that there was something that she did that led him to kill her. The only thing that would justify the killing would be if the woman was going to kill the guy and he defended himself. Nothing else could possibly lead him to murder her. I hope you see how your sentence is twisted.

when women are "weak"

obsession is not particular to Iranians or Muslims but when you are taught by family, society, religion and the government of the Islamic Republic that women are weak and men have the right to dominate women, the probability of this kind of tragedy happening multiplies.

I dare.

I dare someone to follow the case and take "good" care of officials who were taken care of this case.  I have no doubt they were a few powerless opportunistic Iranians.

Very sad for the daughter.

This is the main problem with the Iranian community in Toronto.  They show extreme resistance integrating to the society in the real Toronto.  One should ask himself the reason 90% of Iranians live in Markham or Richmond Hill.  They speak Persian when they go to a coffee shop, grocery store, doctor or a restuarant.  Your eyes are always stay close if you choose one culture out of so many others.

No wonder whenever I watch the 2-hours Persian shows on a Canadian channel on the weekends, 90% of ads are about awareness about women abuse.  Who listens if they live in the Iranian community and never take it seriously. 

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So both of them are dead......their daughter witnessed the murder.......now the kids are orphaned! Super sad!

restraining order

he had threatened her many times and based on that she could have gotten a restraining order. breaking the order could have put him in jail, and made him think. it's just one step that reduces the possibility of physical violence. better than nothing.

sad to hear

when i heard this on the news initially, i was hoping that the couple were not Iranian. As it has turned out, they were. Who knows the real story behind what lead him to kill her. Iranian couples/families who immigrate to Canada (or other places for that matter) face a lot of challanges. I have seen a lot of them come unglued. There are a lot of issues with them adjusting to their new home. For the most part, there are a lot of conflicts between old iranian traditions and the freedom that they experience here.

I hope not to see it come to this type of ending again.

where can they turn to for help?

we hear about domestic abuse way too often in the Iranian communities abroad. these women need help and support from an organization who understands their culture and real fears -- before tragedy strikes.

" If I can't have her, nobody can"

"I throw acid on her face."

"I can't just get a divorce. I have ghayrat. I kill her."

Would this ever change with us?