Reagan: We let the Shah down

Reagan regrets lack of support for the Shah

Early 1980s: President Reagan talks about why he objected to Jimmy Carter abandoning the Shah of Iran.

06-May-2009
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Fish...fish...fish!

by feelingoflove1302 (not verified) on

First off Fish...are we not a country based on freedom of religious freedom? Do we not believe in freedom of speech? do we not have the right to pick, believe in and creat our own political parties? Why should this be true and upheld in our country, but not when others outside of it speak it.

Geesh...talk about being hypocritical. Let those who disagree with our nation speak their mind. If they choose to condem us for our views then that shows how close minded they are.

You have just closed your own mind by not allowing others to speak, not considering other's opinons, and just shutting them down.

This is the problem with the world today and why there is so much hatred. prrove your views with logic and proof.


anonymous fish

curve ball...

by anonymous fish on

so much so that i spent several minutes trying to read something into it.  obviously there had to have been some clever rejoinder intended that i just didn't get...LOL.

just found out the youngest won't be home tonight.  trying to figure out if i can maximize on that BY doing something special or just the opposite... doing as little as possible.  i'm whipped.

perhaps aziz will read this and have mercy on me and have a nice cold margarita waiting.  to be followed by a lovely footrub.  to be followed by my favorite sushi.  to be followed by...

"to be continued"

:-))


Kaveh Nouraee

Threw a curve ball, didn't I? LOL

by Kaveh Nouraee on

When I read the "you....you.... Republican" line it was the only thing I could come up with. Imagine that....me at a loss for words.

Friday didn't come fast enough.

 


anonymous fish

i was expecting MUCH more...:-0

by anonymous fish on

i have decided to replace all generalized insults (ie. zionist, apologist, ignorant american, monarchist, etc. etc.) with a nice simple little "you...republican". 

can you just imagine the rage felt by some democrats. i shudder to think.  lol

davood.  i gotta ask.  i SO do not get who you are and what you're about.  what do you mean when you say "That is the only way we as Americans will get free oil"?  that's for starters...:-)

 


Kaveh Nouraee

you... you... republican you! :-))

by Kaveh Nouraee on

oh yeah?


anonymous fish

oh, happy the delusional... :-))

by anonymous fish on

carter inherited that inflation!  carter caught a growing inflation from ford, a little parting gift of the worst economic times since the depression. and let me also point out that reagan had far less to do with any economic success than did volker who was appointed by carter!   almost the entire bottom half of americans paid MORE federal income taxes in 1988 than 1980, plus they incurred higher social security and medicare taxes.  but.... BUT...the 1% richest saw a drop from 34% to 29%.

don't believe everything you hear.   that "trickle down effect" you're talking about... there is a saying something like...

if you feed the horse enough oats, some will pass through to the road for the birds.

otherwise known as... shit.

you... you... republican you!   :-))

 


Kaveh Nouraee

wait a minute you

by Kaveh Nouraee on

Under Carter...inflation was at 11.3 % in 1979 and 13.5% in 1980.

Mortgage rates were at 18% ....that's if you had EXCELLENT credit.

The poverty rate has remained unchanged in large part to the social programs implemented by the Democrats years before doing absolutely nothing to get people out of poverty. The programs merely provided them with enough to "get by".

Even Reagan himself said that his biggest regret was not getting the budget under control as he would have liked. But he started that trend which Bill Clinton was smart enough not to mess with too much.

The GOP philosophy that you're talking of is the blather the Democrats want people to believe. In a free-market economy, the wealthier will always see the results first, whether they're positive or negative. It truly is a "trickle-down" economy. When things started going sideways at the end of 2007, the wealthier were hit first.


anonymous fish

wait a minute now...

by anonymous fish on

for starters, the tax cuts busted the federal budget. the federal deficit went from 2.7% of GDP in 1980 to 6% of GDP in 1983, the largest peacetime deficit in history, and was still 5% of GDP in 1986.

lower income families paid more in federal income taxes in 1988 than they did in 1980.   that is and continues to be typical GOP philosophy... feed the rich and starve the poor.

the proverty rate remained the SAME after his two terms.   social programs have YET to recoup from the reagan years.

Highest unemployment rate under Carter 7.1%
Highest unemployment rate under Reagan 9.6%

Lowest unemployment under Carter 5.8%
Lowest unemployment under Reagan 5.5%
(this was after reagan changed how unemployment numbers were calculated so as not to include people who lost their benefits)

just the facts jack... just the facts.  :-)

and yes, i agree.  differently, but not maliciously.  a HUGE difference.


Davood_Banayan

President Reagan was an Actor reading a script

by Davood_Banayan on

Americans for a Democratic Republic in Iran.

Let us not forget it was the same President Ronald Wilson Reagan that sold Arms to the same theocracy he refers to as executioners.

Iranians should never forget the Iran-Contra Affair.

Iranians should never forget that it was and is the American Republican Party that supports, aids and abets the Theocracy in Iran.

Any Iranian who supports the Republican party is not Iranian.

An Iranian who supports the American Republican party should be put on trial and done away with in the court of justice and history.

President Hussein Obama supports direct talks with Ayat'Allah Khamenei. That is the only way to get things done.

Uncle Sam must meet and sit down with the Iranian theocracy.

That is the only way we as Americans will get free oil.

In the Shah's time, both Qajars and Pahlavi Iranian Oil was free for Americans.

With direct talks with the Theocracy in Tehran America can once again get free Oil from Tehran.

Let us all bow our heads and give an Iranian Allah'u Akbar chant. For 99% of Iranians are Moslems.


Kaveh Nouraee

Fish Darling

by Kaveh Nouraee on

Au contraire, when Reagan took office in 1981 unemployment was over 10%, and at 5% when he left office in 1989.

As to the other matter, you weren't the liberal I was referring to. You should have known that by now. We view things differently, but not maliciously.

With everything that has been going on lately, I thought that this would be appropriate. It's 45 years old, but it's amazing how relevant it is in the present day.

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt1fYSAChxs&feature=related


anonymous fish

kaveh kaveh kaveh

by anonymous fish on

mo chara! 

did or did not the deficit increase massively under reagan?  was or was not his administration the most corrupt ever?

reagan made the weathy MORE wealthy.  do you remember the HUGE unemployment numbers during the reagan years? 

that's just a start.

and one more thing... don't call me a an arrogant and ignorant liberal or i WILL come down and open that can.  damn it.  you of all people should know better than to start that bullshit!

stop with the friggin' name-calling people!!!!!


anonymous fish

OH

by anonymous fish on

please... lose the bullshit insults.  they pathetic at best.  dude... i'll match my education against yours any day of the week...:-)

i'm going to assume for a moment that i misunderstood your FIRST comment.  but to reinterate, whether iran likes it or not...or whether you personally like it or not... the US IS friends with israel and it's my fervent hope that it remains so.  plus, israel is hardly our "only" friend.  :-)

in that your comment made no reference to a relationship to iran at all, i could hardly have assumed to know your position on that.  i'm glad to hear that you wish for a mutually respectful relationship with iran.  i'm aware of much, maybe not all, but much of the source of animosity between iran and the US.  and dude... it ain't all the US's fault.

stereotypical comments?  no... those were pretty specific and real events.  i made NOT ONE stereotypical comment about iranians.  not a one.  and i don't think i even mentioned iran by name.  those lovin' feelings have been expressed by the middle east in general, thus my continued prayers for an alliance with israel.

now.  before you go getting all worked up.  i'm right up there with you and your hamvatans in wanting peace with iran.  i have a vested interest there as well.  i've never denied US culpability.  what i DO deny is the ever-present sentiment that it's ALWAYS the bad americans who have screwed someone over. 

nothing comparable... screw the brits.  :-))


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To OH

by Nothing comparable (not verified) on

Iranian nation has no animosity toward the U.S. in
fact Iranian people love America and American people and any American who's visited Iran lately can testify to that. The enemy of both the U.S. and Iranian people is the ideological unelected Iranian government and the entire establishment.

America and Britain have a long history of direct or indirect intervention/involvement all over the Middle East but that is no excuse and does not give any right to the citizens of those countries to take Americans or the British citizens, specially their diplomatic corp, as hostage for 444 days to vent off their grievances where as in 1979, those looney ideologues as the so called Iranian students with the full blessing of the IRI government did.

Reagan was a great politican and a great president for the U.S. I dont't have to belabor the issue and explain as to what shape America was in 1980 and what she looked like in 1989 when he left the office! can you say the same about any of the so called presidents of the Islamic Republic


Kaveh Nouraee

There's nothing mythical about Reagan

by Kaveh Nouraee on

He was a very good president. Certainly better than most.

Reagan's economic policies helped create a level of prosperity and growth. That's not a myth. That's fact. But you arrogant and ignorant liberals refuse to recognize the truth, despite the fact that many of you enjoyed that very same prosperity.


IRANdokht

the myth of Ronald Reagan

by IRANdokht on

With the Gipper's reputation flagging after Clinton, neoconservatives launched a stealthy campaign to remake him as a "great" president.

How Republicans created the myth of Ronald Reagan

IRANdokht


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We miss President Reagan!

by Arash Kamangir (not verified) on

Those of us Iranians who believe in Freedom and Democracy miss Political leaders like Ronald Reagan more than ever. In times like now in which someone naive like Obama talks about making friendship with enemies of Freedom, we miss very much the strong leadership of Reagan. He understood that freedom has to be defended and stood to his friends when they needed him the most.


Kaveh Nouraee

Had Reagan won in 1976

by Kaveh Nouraee on

I wonder how 1979 in Tehran would have been different?

Like Carter, Ronald Reagan was a man with deep religious faith. So, how is it that Reagan could see through the Indian and his gang of thugs for what they were and are, while that moron Carter praised the Indian as a "man of God"?

Has anyone else noticed that since Carter left the presidency, he has had little to say about the human rights abuses in Iran?

Think about it.


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America's friendship

by OH (not verified) on

To Anonymous fish!

I believe you are one of those people who watches Fox News alot (judging by your uneducated comments). Read the history of US involvment in Iran and you MIGHT figure out the source of the animosity between these two nations,however; I be the first person to admit that Iran's government is not a perfect government, as a matter of fact it is far from it, but I have no problem admitting the same about the so called "leader of the free world".

If you open your eyes, you will easily see the amount of guilt that the US government bares as well.

Also, all the stereotypical comments you made about Iranians could be made about your people. After all you are very good at killing in the name of Democracy.

I love Iran and I love USA and I can not wait to see these two countries become friends and allies with mutual respect for each other.


Anonymously

"carried our load"!!

by Anonymously on

he said the shah "carried our load"

heh heh!!! that sums it up quite succinctly.


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Go Ronnie! I agree with you, but....

by farrad02 on

His facts were not 100% correct but who can disagree with the spirit of what he was saying here?!  I would take the Shah over the currently ruling zealots any day of the week and twice on Sunday!

Of course, the same President ended up dealing with the Mullahs later on in his presidency and gave them arms to free the hostages in Lebanon!

This means (as President Reagan learned later) that judgement and decisions in politics can not be strictly based on the distintion of black vs white. And in the real world, you have to recognize and work with many shades of GRAY! This same principal is why George W. Bush failed spectacularly in his foreign policy; because of his "You're with us or against us" stance! You have to learn to work with some shady characters if you want to be effective in foreign policy!

 


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Family of Secrets (Bush Dynasty)

by futurist (not verified) on

Greetings,

There is a new book out called Family of Secrets. BUSH DYNASY was involved in removing Shah of Iran for rejecting Zionist Lobby. He got Reza Pahlavi the US Air Force job who is now campaigning for secular democracy. Their ancestor, Prescott Bush, was a World War I veteran and supported Hitler and Nazi Party to stop Soviet Communism. They did not come into political scene following JFK Assassination and Johnson was a from Texas followed by Nixonian Bushes and being Reagan's vice-president. OBAMA has to follow the Zionist rules regardless of his roots.
www.familyofsecrets.com


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What about the cake and Koran he sent to Khomeini later on?!

by I wonder (not verified) on

I wonder what kind of cake it was!


anonymous fish

OH

by anonymous fish on

i wonder why that is?  or perhaps you think the US should embrace those who call us "the great satan"?  or those who hold hostage US citizens for over a year?  or those who behead our journalists?  or those who bomb the twin towers?

with friends like those... who needs enemies.


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God Bless Reagan. It was

by RZ (not verified) on

God Bless Reagan. It was during his time that saddam was turned into such a war machine, all of which the poor people of iraq are still paying; Reagan was a great man, ask the people of halabja...


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American have one friend and

by OH (not verified) on

American have one friend and one friend only, Israel, and as I have always said, not even the Shah was their friend. The rest is history.

I hope we the great people of Iran learn our lesson once and for all.


Manoucher Avaznia

چیزی

Manoucher Avaznia


چیزی که آقای ریگان مانند هواداران شاه ادعا می فرماید ادعایی نادرست است.  شاه زمین را به خرده مالکانی داد که از طرف ارباب زمینها را اداره می کردند ونه به کارگرانی که بصورت روزمزد یا برای سهم خاصی از محصول کار می کردند. خود آن خرده مالکان این کارگران را چه پیش و چه پس از صلاحات دستوری آقای کندی، که کشور رابه بازار مصرف کالاهای کشاورزی آمریکایی و کانادایی و بعدااسراییلی تبدیل کرد، استثمار می کردند.همین خرده مالکان هم باید  بهای زمینها را به دولت می پراختند  البته، بچه شهریهای روستا ندیده اینها را نمی فهمند. البته شاه برای ارتش و کارمندان نور چشمی هم خانه های رزان داشت و هم فروشگاههای مخصوص وارزان.  


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Javid Shahanshay Iran

by khoram din (not verified) on

25oo years and well go on.. Payandeh Iran.


mahmoudg

A good friend of the Shah

by mahmoudg on

He made at least two trips to Iran while he was the governor of California, my father used to say.  He met him on one of these trips at the Imperial court, when the executive staff were being introduced to him.  Shah pledged a lot of support, monetary and otherwise to his campaign on one of these trips too.  Mostly he was lobbying on behalf of the California defense industries, at the time the biggest being Douglas, for purchases of various fighter aircrafts.  Although he was a Republican but bless him for supporting the Shah.


Bavafa

Didn't he have alzheimer?

by Bavafa on

Was he really talking about Iran? Because what he described did not fit the Iran and the Shah that vast majority of Iranians knew of. Or perhaps it was his Alzheimer kicking in.

Mehrdad


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yes, THAT'S why you sold weapons to the same Ayatollahs!

by Anonymous8 (not verified) on

"taking land away from the Mullahs" what an idiot!