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david i'll write you an e-mail to explain what happened with the

link. wait a bit.

Letter to Ayatollah Shahrudi

//iranian.com/main/blog/sce-campaign/letter-ayatollah-shahrudi

thank you

I too wish you the best in this temporary journey of life

by the way if you or anyone know or have keyboard to type a letter in persian let me know I would appreciate it. the handwritten in persian and english is available.

letter is addressed to shahrudi

rosie: I share the same view as Parham that not enough is being done about prisoners of conscious. our disagreement was over the issue of juvenile executions but I believe that is already discussed and we both addressed our points in details already.

ROSIE : LINK DOESNT WORK
peace

Oh don't go yet..

i was just about to ask you to hop on my new thread. Please.

//iranian.com/main/blog/rosie-roxy-roshan/i-dont-sce

Right...

Okay baba, me bully, you victim.
I said what I wanted to say. Closure long overdue. The rest is up to the intelligence of those who would bother.
Have a nice campaign!

wrong AGAIN!

one name you asked: Jaleho

and my name is no secret and was even mentioned on this thread if you had bothered to truely read the comments

The one who has been "telling everyone" what to do or not to do has been you and if they disagreed you attacked with best words of dictionary and a chomagh attitude

I may be even be charlattan and a sunday afternoon sofa activist in your mind

but that doesn't make you any less of the :
new Iranian.com bully

and sorry some of us can NOT be bullied get used to it or change your way of communication
peace 2

Dige rooto kam kon

There isn't a single person who calls IR a democracy who sided with me. Provide only ONE name.

And what even if they did? You would be wrong and they right -- in this argument.

There you go with one more attempt to lure the conversation into your "agent" bull.

All you know to do is create "maghlateh" -- if you're a lawyer, it shows what type you are now. I was so right to call you a charlatan from the get-go. You are one.

And more, have some balls and fight the IR with your real name now that you're such a man as to be so pompous to go around and preach everyone all the time. You're nothing but an armchair Sunday activist, and a p... at that, too.

good

then do something "for" them
instead of arguing others

fight IR not the ones who are fighting them

see how those who call IR democracy sided with you ...that should give you a hint ....if what everyone tried to tell you did not

peace

Look..

... bury your head in the sand as much as you like. I maintain that the cases of the real dissidents are times and times more pertinent to the cause.
Shame that those poor people fight for a load like you.

David ET

Agha jan.

Let them rant and rave all they want. Lajbazi is a tough thing to get rid of. We need to be doing what is right and we mourn delara and everyone else for as much and as long as we should. Bahs be in joor adama bifaydas:)

ah her!

and I thought this was not about SCE and individuals... how soon we forget!

tell her riize khooni is wrong because its about 1400 years ago not when a emotionless person rudely questions people's feelings ON THE DAY a girl gets executed illegally.

no this was and is personal or heartless

stop playing with light switch in dark you may hurt yourself

Yah...

.. get out.
And yah, they are voices in my head. Look who I'm debating!.. :-/

You really think I need to make something like that up? For you?? Not only paranoid but delusions of grandeur too, eh, Monsieur?

Quote:
"

Parham,

I was away on holiday for the past couple of weeks and
returned recently to read some of the comments on the Darabi blog.

I
have limited the number of comment I leave on threads, but just wanted to
let you know that I completely get your point about the Imam Hussein Style
rozeh khouni.

More power to you for bringing up the
marketing-driven-style 'Campaigns' and putting certain someones in their
place.

Best wishes,xxxx"

Want more?

hmm let's see

I think your quote was referring to Delara's cause as "marketing driven Campaign"

mm...looking around ... who...which...where ?

right
we are not intelligent enough to get your words anymore... so far you have been all over and in fact nowhere

effective last comment you have started to mumble !

could the private messages may be voices in his head?

Click
out of here....I am

lights off

Political fishing beyond sensibility

Dear mazdak.

Both you and parham are basically preaching to the choir and i think it is you two, respectfully and no pun intended here, that are muddying the water and are trying hard big time to get "political fish" out of it.
I don't precisely know what you mean by "safe personalities" here. Seems like you would like to play the role of the tough guy here, who thinks that to a certain logical extent it is okay to mourn for these young kids, but once we reached that limit... it is time to find a real solution! How can we find this nice and dandy solution without luring as much attention as we can to the issue? Lately it has become a new tradition that amongst us iranians, everytime there is a conflict of opinion over a certain issue, one side tends to accuse the other as "melodramatizing" that issue.

There is a difference between feeling abhored by watching and hearing about one's actual hanging, versus that of merely wishing death upon someone. There is no logical basis on which you can unleash your personal anger and insult on any individual (in this case THEmrs) who makes such statements.

That is what parham has been doing and that is what you did in your most recent post. I don't even care nor expect an appology from either one of you guys, you are entitled to your opinions for sure, But it needs to be kept in mind that it was parham who initiated "getting personal" not that anyone is keeping score or anything but just so you know and he made it particularly clear, when at the end of his post upon hearing the news on Sina paymardi, he thumbed his nose at everyone by challenging them in the most childish and immature of ways, in an attempt to lend legitimacy to his claims. The way i see it .that it is all based on a special kind of lajbazi.

Quick replies

Mr. E.T.

Honestly, and despite your ill-minded insistence, the first time I posted on this thread I had no idea it was related to the beauty queen Nazanin Afshin-Jam or the SEC campaign.

A a matter of fact, I used to look at the blog headlines and see there's someone posting under SEC Campaign and think how nice someone is thinking about such things on this web site, without really looking at the cases that were talked about in the blogs!

It was only when your paranoid mind mentioned that I was here on an agenda to destroy Afshin Jam and SEC that I looked at the SEC blogs in more depth!

The other day, the person behind that moniker made a statement about the IR killing children under 15 for boys and under 9 for girls for political reasons. I challenged her (I think it's a "she" behind the SEC posts) to provide support for that claim, but all I met was silence.

Now tell me, do I discredit her work there, or does she do it herself by making an exaggerated claim that she can't live up to?

It's the same principle here. You all just discredit yourselves and the causes you say you uphold. As plain and simple as that. All you can do is come in and accuse others (in this case me) of having agendas, being agents, and what have you. Well don't you think there are actually a couple of intelligent people reading and understanding what you are all about?

Look, iranian.com is not really the serious web site it used to be in terms of opinion. Most of the good writers and generally people "whose head was worth their body" in terms of stating something reliable or readable have left this site, mostly because of all these attitudes that seem to be so deep-rooted in so many of our compatriots such as yourself.

Give it a rest! You didn't even say one word about what I stated regarding the case of the mentally-ill boy. Instaed, you accused me of having called his lawyer a charlatan!

Well, Mickey Mouse debate rule number one, even though it's a Mickey Mouse rule: You have to be able to substantiate something you claim! If you don't, it won't be worth anything!

Let me know if we can take it from there Mr. Attorney. :-)

Concerned Iranian

Seems like you insulted me more than I had ever insulted you! If there's anything you want to discuss besides me in your messages, let me know. So far they all seem to concentrate on me and me alone. Until then, thank you for allowing me to insult you as much as I want, you @&%ç!
And oh, psychlogist my arse. :-)

Mazdak

Thank you for your opinion. What's funny is that I'm getting private messages here on how people are glad I'm giving some a piece of my (/their?) mind, but no one really publicly posts their opinion! I sometimes wonder...

rosie and azarin

you both are right and both so elegantly express it. In fact it is the extremes in life of these children that makes their destinies so humane.
on one hand they are kids representing innocence and on the other they have committed or alleged to have committed the highest of all crimes : murder!
on one hand they are sentenced to the least hopeful sentence of all: death and on the other the same alleged criminals express the purest of humanity with their flutes paintings poems and writings
at core it shows how a society can create both extremes in youth .
they become murderes either by unintended action of their own in an instant or by being alleged. either way they become one and thereafter they carry that with them even when innocent and then they express their innocence in all that with their music and colors of hope.
sina died but did NOT give up until AFTER he was freed. He carried hope to that point and then his body and emotions and scars took over like a cancer but his stuggle and message at the core of its depression represented hope .
these children are victims of a black and white society that has denied them colors since birth. the same black and white colorless mentality that we witness right here.
it is up to us to me to rosies to azarins of the world to carry the most colorful of flags ang brightest of torches to break the darkness...
to show and defend the color of huminity in depth of the evil and darkness...
it is that hope that kept nazanin up till 6 am this morning working on the SCE report to be presented to the world in one month...

wasn't it supposedly one of the two "children" of adam and eve who murdered the other?

rosie and azarin your fight is with the mentality the popes and the holier who have doomed humanity to sin since birth while you keep shouting we were ALL born innocent but no more
celebrate the colors and songs always even at the gallows

Azarin, listen to me

carefully. When someone represents hope, they represent hope. Hope is elusive, it's not something you can hold in your hands, it comes and it goes but it always comes back. That's why it's hope. If it were something easy to hold and grasp, it would be a concrete reality, a thing, not a human potential.It wouldn't be hope.

Some time ago, I translated a Nicaraguan song called Thank You Life. It's a song of love of life and hope and it's also a personal love song. And in googling around while I was translating it, I found out that the songwriter, Violeta Parra, had actually committed suicide at 50 over a failed love affair. It changed nothing about the song for me, I felt very hopeful, I felt grateful for life, and I was in love. The knowledge of her suicide changed nothing.

I never dreamed that the same thing could happen to me but it did. I was heartbroken and about her age and all I saw was bars like you say. And so it happened. And for quite some time that song meant nothing but hopelessness for me. But somehow after a long journey behind those bars, it means the same thing now it always had. In a different way, but the same thing.

The boy gave you a song. That's the hope. To play the flute with a noose around your neck, that's a song of the struggle of the human spirit. Now you go behind whatever bars you have to, we all have to at times, but my advice: take Sima's song with you. You may as well, because sooner or later it'll come back anyway. It always does, my dear. That's what makes it hope.

(I'm going to post a little blog for you and Sima and the others in a little while..)

Parhaam...

Your attacks and insults here toward me and others once again proves your serious lack of consciousness and EVIL thoughts, words and actions unfortunately !!!

It also proves that you get a kick out of insulting people left and right to quench your viscous and abnormal psychological thirst and malfunctions! Furthermore, it shows that you by using your big EGO and negative thoughts/pain-body energies trying so hard to falsely feel alive!!!

I will not respond to you again unless you express your sincere apologies to me and others here and stop your vicious attacks in writing.

I honestly very much doubt someone so weak in his thoughts like you would have the guts and balls to go on same level of offensive in action physically,in person and most importantly on his own and alone! Your case is very common through out history of man kind who suffered and still suffer from similar unfortunate symptoms and conditions...

It is very obvious that you are here mainly to settle your personal and sick psychological scores with others while pretending to care about human beings and about all the injustices Iranians have endured in the past 30 years by Evil I.R.

It is truly very sad an intelligent guy like yourself capable of in depth analysis and somewhat a decent debater at the end of the day can be so weak, selfish, offensive and paranoid!

You can have intelligence in your life but that does not make you a wise,strong and kind human being...

Go ahead, insult me and others here again and again if that makes you feel better about yourself behind your computer, Trust me I will not respond to you again until you sincerely apologize to all unconditionally...

Parhaam, The world and universe all do not revolve around you! You have been taking yourself way too seriously javaan...The sooner you comprehend that absolute fact, the sooner you will be FREE and in PEACE...

Meanwhile, take care of yourself and concentrate your attention and focus toward positive THOUGHTS, WORDS and ACTIONS NOW !

PS. I am truly sorry if I hurt your feeling again, I honestly tried every possible channel to tell the truth and make peace with you but you didn't stop...

Reza (Psychologist/Black Belt in Karate from Tehran!) :-)

In defense of Parham

It seems it's open season on Parham. Not that he needs any help; he can dish out pretty good. But this is my two cents: There is an agenda here. Delara and this other poor kid are safe personalities as I mentioned in another thread (please Rosie, let me finish). Of course they deserve our sympathy too. Death penalty in the liberal dose that's been doled out by the IRI is one of the worst aspects of the Islamic rule in Iran in the past 30 years. It traumatizes the society, any society. But making people into teddy bears is not the solution and going on and on with the melodrama is not productive. Now that the mourning is over, let’s see what can be learned form this situation. What I find nauseating is that some of the same people who bemoan the violent hanging of Delara, use violent and ugly language for instance against sympathizes of the MKO, wishing them death. There is one idiot who calls herself The Mrs, who wished a MKO poster a while back death by firing squad (Elahi ke tir baronet konan) What can you say to morons like this, that there is a chasm in their psyche and intellect the size of the Grand Canyon? There doesn't seem to be any alligator tears shed for instance for prisoners of consciousness if they are say left leaning. And then there are IRI apologists who either never show up on a thread like this, or keep muddying the water by pointing out that some states in the US used to put people who committed capital crimes in their youth to death also.

Mr. Parham

The first time I felt obligated to address you after reading your constant nonesense I said two things:

-You seem to have more of an agenda against the cause of SCE rather thanopposition to IR 

-Through the last 30 years, the holier than popes such as you (of all camps) inaction have actually been helping IR by attacking those who actually DOSOMETHING

In fact you even called attorney Mostafaei who has represented these kids free ofcharge a charlatan. The same man who few days ago was detained questioned andlater released by IR agents.

Youoppose human rights activists such Mostafaei's while they are doing somethingand then God forbid if they ever are imprisoned then cry for their freedom whileyou along with IR supporters are the ones who create such atmosphere that gotthem there to begin with!  

After10's and 10's of your comments all around iranian.com and after you onlychasing any post by SCE or others to undermine the efforts to stop childexecutions  , it is now more than before obvious that my 2 observationsabout you were right on the spot!

If instead of devoting so many hours and so much energy to oppose SCE, Mostafaeiand all those who oppose child executions you spend on causes that you claim tocare about may be you do something good for your people too...

Meanwhile you chase child execution articles and oppose them, same as what IR does intead of doing something POSITIVE TOO !!!

SCE's and Mostafaei have records to show that they have helped saved many such as Nazanin Fatehi , Ali Mahin-Torabi and others from execution and there are those here on Iranian.com with personal experience who can attest to that. What do you have to show for yourself? Opposition to their efforts to save a young life from hanging? 

Who are you fighting in words or action? SCE and alike or    IR??!!... your nonesense all over Iranian.com in the past week or so is a witness to the answer  

 Great achievement sir ...so much to be proud of! 

The case of Sina Paymard

Unfortunately, this is also the type of thing that makes the real battle for freedom and human rights look like Mickey Mouse and discredits what a lot of genuinely concerned people with (at least) a grain of intelligence in their head are trying to accomplish.

The death of Sina Paymard hasn't got much to do with human rights. His imprisonment did!
Even if it did have something, you'd have to go to great lengths to prove it, all when real rights advocates are languishing in jail.

Again, this is a case where there was a crime committed, not one where the person was a prisonner of conscience.

You are all just upholding the cases from the "safheye havaades" and disregarding the real cases of blatant suppressions of freedom. This case ia noticeable because of the subject's mental illness, the fact that he was taken to the gallows twice and more than anything, the fact that his playing flute allegedly saved his life (which I'd really have to be gullible to believe personally, considering the "khoon-baha" paid for the subject's victim). THAT is why you all are following it.

This is also the type of thing that turns iranian.com into a "zane-rooz" type of publication more than anything serious -- which is a shame. Having such opportunity and misusing it for an x or y reason.

There -- I said what I think again. Let's see who's unhappy this time!

And in case you were wondering if I called you stupid, YES, I DID! Call me arrogant again!

I have one more:)

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIAQCiMIEEQ

In memory of Delara... Song by josh groban...

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfxqW9QwOSI

Bale, Azarin jan

It is very sad to know that Sina Paymard is now gone. The emotional and physical scars left by the imprisoment and constant threat of execution were just too much. It took its toll.

Sina Paymard is dead.

I just read on SCE blog that Sina Paymard has passed away (just one week after Delara).

He was the young man who skipped death by his music. As his last wish, he asked permission to play Ney. It is told that the family of victim was so impressed by his music that they changed their mind.Until today, Sina represented hope...but not anymore.

I'm heartbroken and sad...It doesn't matter if they flee bars...they'll always carry those bars inside.

Azarin

3 years with Delara

//iranian.com/main/blog/sce-campaign-80

I'm talking about below, of

I'm talking about below, of course...

Actually I posted the following:

by Natalia Alvarado-Alvarez on Sun May 03, 2009 07:09 PM PDT

The last night that she lived,

It was a common night,

Except the dying; this to us

Made nature different.

We noticed smallest things,

Things overlooked before,

By this great light upon our minds

Italicized as 't were.

That others could exist

While she must finish quite,

A jealousy for her arose

So nearly infinite.

We waited while she passed;

It was a narrow time,

Too jostled were our souls to speak,

At length the notice came.

She mentioned, and forgot;

Then lightly as a reed

Bent to the water, shivered, scarce,

Consented, and was dead.

And we, we placed the hair,

And drew the head erect;

And then an awful leisure was,

Our faith to regulate.

********

by Natalia Alvarado-Alvarez on Sun May 03, 2009 02:32 AM PDT

 Driven Across Many Nations 

by Gajus Valerius Catullus

Translated by Charles Martin

Driven across many nations, across many oceans,

I am here, my brother (sister), for this final parting,

to offer at least those gifts which the dead are given

and to speak in vain to your unspeaking ashes,

since bitter fortune forbids you to hear me or answer,

O unfortunate brother (sister), so abruptly taken!

But now I must celebrate grief with funeral tributes

offered the dead in the ancient way of the fathers;

accept these presents, wet with my brotherly (sisterly) tears, and

now and forever, my brother (sister), hail and farewell.

Natalia

Don't fly off the handle I said "where she may not want it." :-)
Anyway, I didn't see you come in talking about Delara Darabi now, did I?

Goodness gracious!

Don't you ever give it a rest?

"Get it where I don't want it?" What world are we in......High School? Hey! If anyone knows about sarcastic comments.......you are the expert. Save your breath.....I don't need, nor do I require your apologies.

May Delara rest in peace.......which is what this blog and thread were really about.

Not you and certainly not I!!!

solh