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to che khabar

i don't think ANYONE is treated good in iran; Muslim or Jew. The only ones that are treated civily are the ideologue citizens of the nation. And I agree, outside the pool of ideologues, people who do choose to live in iran are people who love their country. And I think that's terrific!!  But to answer your first question. I don't think Khomeini or any cleric speaks for Islam. Quran and Mohammad speak for Islam.

so Gitdoun

Are you saying that Khomeini did not speak FOR Islam?  You seem to be making the argument that they are two different things.  Thats a pretty poor defense if you ask me.  I don't understand how you or anyone else can keep going back to the same old "what about the largest population of jews living outside israel live in iran" crap.  These people are IRANIAN first and foremost.  Their religion is second to that!!!  Why would anyone even consider that they would want to go live in jerusalem?  This is NOT a statment that jews are treated good in Iran.  It simply means that they are Iranian who want to live in their vatan.   

What He Built??

What Khomeini "built" is the second Ghadesiyeh. He had no love for Iran and nationality.

I was just about 18 years old when the so called revolution happened. I knew then that the country and her people were doomed. Why did so many wise Iranians fell for this lying anti-nationalist traitor? Because he lied through his teeth.

This blood thirsty religon has been forced upon us by the sword; become a muslim or I'll cut your head off, enslave your children and take your wife. Do we have the will to reject it after 14 centuries of brain-washing and lies? We did it once before when we kicked them out after their first Ghadesiyeh. We can do it again.

Fallacies based on myths

Gitdoun, you make wonderful arguments, but whether you have researched them or whether you have fabricated them I don't know.  The main problem that I have with your ideas is that they are based on fallacies and myths.  Do you really believe that any of this mumbo-jumbo is the word of God as stated to the alleged prophet?  How can you, or anyone else, live a modern life using as a guide laws and values that were formulated out of thin air 1400 years ago?  All followers of all religions are misguided dreamers who use myths and lies as justification for all of the evils that they perpetrate.

اوهوی مردم

بیخودی وقتتون رو با یه عرب تلف نکنین که به جایی نمیریسین. اسلام مبدا کل فرهنگ این جامعه خرپرسته. باز ما پشت پا بزنیم به دین هنوز فرهنگ مون رو داریم، فروردین زرتشتی رو داریم. اینها هیچ...

to Magen

i have read your points of concern. Allow me to briefly address them. The issues presented is of two aspects. One is political and the rest has to do with theology.  As for the one which is political, it being Salman Rushdie/Satanic Verses, this is attributed 100% to khomeini's fatwa.

now for the rest of your points of interest, I will for the sake of arguement, say they too are ALL from khomeini as well. But let us ask "who or what is Khomeini speaking about??" Well it's obvious he speaking about the religion of Islam.

very well then so then let's examine islam and see if what these purported statements of khomeini are valid within the religion itself.

Now i could get into a written dissertation on each point proving they are PATENTLY FALSE ; lies fabricated post 1979 by the iranian diaspora.  And since i know these exiles so very well like the back of my hand i know without a doubt they will accuse me of lying and that i dont know anything about islam. blah blah blah.

so i will have you ask Shia Ulamas yourself. and get the answers yourself. pretend your a devout religious shia if u suspect they wouldn't give the "truth to an outsider"

//www.makaremshirazi.org/

//www.sistani.org/

 -take care

to hateIRI

you know i read you like a book HATEIRI from day 1. talking to you, reasoning with you, is like pouring a pitcher of clean water on a cement pavement.... nothing would come of it.

but i am going to tear apart each of your lies. do not assume because i am young that you have the advantage.

your allegation #1 According to your Mullahs and that Borujerdi cockroach Jews and bahais have no place in Iran

If this was the case then how come till 2004 Iran had the highest jewish population outside of Israel in the Middle East Region?? it took the israeli government bribes of $$$ and free housing for iranian jews to leave iran. google this up yourself.

allegation #2 According to your Mullahs super role model a shaking hand with a jew must be sin.

this is false as well since the Quran allows intermarriage with Jewish people. refer to surah 5, verse 5 for details

allegation #3 According to that same Mullah if a Muslim converts to Judaism he or she will die or what those idiots say is that his blood is halal.

this is true but executive authority of this law does not lie with a muslim or a muslim cleric. authority of execution lies only with the Moshiach,Messiah,Imam. take your pick. during this period of occultation or absence of the Moshiach/imam no one has executive authority of God's Law. this is why wilayat faqhi is so problematic. and this is why MAJORITY of Shia ULAMA have never publically endorsed Wilayat Faqhi. i.e. show me 1 picture of sistani hugging khamenei.

allegation #4 The same Mullah will support the killing and murder of innocent Israeli kids and the rape of Bahai women

again this is isolated to khamenei and supporters of wilayat faqhi. and i told you this before khamenei and supporters of wilayat faqhi do not represent the totality of the Shia Ulama or the Shia World. please google Najaf and it being the historic center of shia thought and jurisprudence. al-khoei would be a good starting point for you,

allegation #5 The same Mullah will authorize the execution of ethnic minorities and the torture and stoning of women

execution of ethnic minorities?? please offer your citation or reference of an Alim sanctioning this.  Stoning of Women or Men for that matter is permissible depending on the Crime. i.e. adultery. But again executive authority of God's Law rests only upon the Imam/Messiah/Moshiach. NO MUSLIM OR CLERGY has this executive power. And when they do attempt to play Moshiach/imam ... everything goes to $hit as can be clearly seen in the IRI.

allegation #6 The same Mullah will authorize the release of Iranian annual budget to the terrorists organization such as Hamas and Hizbollah.

again this is isolated to khamenei and supporters of wilayat faqhi/IRI.

btw, you know NOTHING of Borjourdei or else you wouldn't have tied all these lies with his name. please be more scholastic in your approach if you are going to debate.

Re: What Khomeini would say? from mohsenrafiee1 11-Jul-2009

Please help me understand if truly Iran's former Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ruhollah Mousavi Khomeini  (1900-1989) made the following statements, why would any citizens of Iran (Persian, Arab, Muslim, non-Muslim....)  admire or respect him?   IMO, the below statements would be considered insulting & offensive & at the very least not something to 'compliment' a religion or a country.   Let's forget the statements attributed to him regarding people outside of Islam or Iran. 

• "The author of the Satanic Verses book, which is against Islam, the Prophet and the Koran, and all those involved in its publication who were aware of its content, are sentenced to death. I ask all Moslems to execute them wherever they find them."

• "All those against the revolution must disappear and quickly be executed"

• "If a fly gets into the throat of one who is fasting, it is not necessary to pull it out."

• "In Islam, the legislative power and competence to establish laws belong exclusively to God Almighty."

• "There is no room for play in Islam...It is deadly serious about everything."

• "A man can have sex with animals such as sheep, cows, camels and so on. However he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village, however selling the meat to the next door village should be fine." - From Khomeini's book, "Tahrirolvasyleh", fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990

• "A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However he should not penetrate, sodomising the child is OK. If the man penetrates and damages the child then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girls sister." - From Khomeini's book, "Tahrirolvasyleh", fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990 Excerpt: Page (1)

• "It is better for a girl to marry in such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven." - From Khomeini's book, "Tahrirolvasyleh", fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990

• If a man sodomises the son, brother, or father of his wife after their marriage, the marriage remains valid. (I'll bet they had "interesting" Khomeini family reunions :o)

• If a father (or paternal grandfather) marries off his daughter (or granddaughter) in her absence without knowing for a certainty that she is alive, the marriage becomes null and void as soon as it is established that she was dead at the time of the marriage. 

The above quotes are from several sources including wikipedia, //plateauofiran.wordpress.com/2007/11/14/islam-and-democracy-in-iran-read-comments/  & //g33klite.com/index.php/facts/general/299-the-controversial-tahrirolvasyleh-book

Tahrirolvasyleh, also transcribed as Tahrir-ul-Vaseela or Tahrir al-wasilah) is a book (in two volumes and four editions) authored by Ayatollah Khomeini as a guide for Muslims.

IMO, the above statements attributed to the former Iranian Supreme leader Ayatollah Ruhollah Mousavi Khomeini are much worse than any thing Salman Rushdie wrote in his book The Satanic Verses in 1989... Ayatollah Khomeini presented himself as a defender & advocate of Islam & the IRI.  These were not statements made flippantly or while intoxicated.   The above are quotes from his own book.   You would think the editor would have had the opportunity to point out some possible errors before the book went to press.   You would think some of the above would never have made it past the first proof reader.  

I always like to add that I am neither Middle Eastern (Persian/Iranian, Arab ...) nor Muslim.  I am an American Christian with a fascination with Persian history, culture, art, language, literature, music, people, fashion etc.    My fascination to learn more about not only the "Persia" of antiquity but also  the "Persia/Iran" of modernity draws me frequently to Iranian.com    It is often difficult to locate information about Persia that does not eventually take on a synonymous identity of being Arab or Muslim.   I understand there has been a lot influence between the Arabian & Persian cultures.  However, in my opinion that should not necessarily mean one should lose its identity & individuality to the other.   That's just my opinion.    I do not intend any offense to the Arabian or any culture.   My visits & inquiries to Iranian.com are only to help me to learn more about "Persia-Iran".

some respect for Israelis. By Gitdoun

5 minutes ago you were telling me about the great Borujerdi now yo are defending Israelis and Torahs, WOW big contradiction

According to your Mullahs and that Borujerdi cockroach Jews and bahais have no place in Iran.

According to your Mullahs super role model a shaking hand with a jew must be sin.

According to that same Mullah if a Muslim converts to Judaism he or she will die or what those idiots say is that his blood is halal.

The same Mullah will support the killing and murder of innocent Israeli kids and the rape of Bahai women.

The same Mullah will authorize the execution of ethnic minorities and the torture and stoning of women.

The same Mullah will authorize the release of Iranian annual budget to the terrorists organization such as Hamas and Hizbollah.

That is why I said let them go there and leave close to the Israelis.

FREE IRAN

CHEERS

Gitdoun,

Son, Bible has the same influence on the minds of many other people on this earth. But, it is not the law of the land. Why is it so hard for you to grasp the true meaning of democracy, human rights, and an adaptable constitution. There is not a single mullah, even your prophet Boroujerdi that would allow an athiest a free reign to promote his belief or a Bahaii to freely have a place of worship. 

to hateIRI

please have some respect for Israelis. why are you insulting them ?? why are u insulting the Torah ?? i am at a loss here

to Bijan

i'm NOT saying Quran is law of the land. or that it should be. what i am saying is that quran will have a measure of influence on the minds of iranian muslims either on a conscious level or sub conscious level.

khomeini, Khameni and all Mullahs and IRI supporters

You can take your religion and follower and go live in Palestine close to Jerusalem and and to the Israelis and f**k each other to death

and shove your holy books up each others ass and start teaching each other whose prophet had a bigger cock or whose had a better comprehension of god

leave the Iranian people alone
by the way gitdoun that was my masturbation for you and all your IRI supporters 

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gitdoun

It was reconquista, not inquisition!

gitdoun ver.2.0 good for you

Good that you know that Mulah Borujerdi

There were hundereds before and afterhim

Talegani, Beheshti, Bahonar,

Do me a favor and Please stop teaching me

and yes I will say big f to allof them

Velayate fagih and Sharia come on boy

what are you talking about

I actually think you should go to Iran and live there

this is my last post with you since you have shown your level of comprehension "Borujerdi" you are kidding

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Gitdoun

Why does it have to be law of the land? Who said people have to become atheist or convert to a different religion? But, why make the inflexible and inhumane rules of your holy book, the law of the land. I don't think you support that, but if you do you belong to the same hole that your imam Khomeini is rotting in. 

takavar

dear sir do u know how spain got rid of this so called "evil"  ...... it was called an Inquisition. are u implying u want an iranian inquisition ???   think carefully before you answer that.  i mean please .... toro khoda ye lahze fekr kon . 

to hateIRI

dear mister hateIRI. i have one issue with your post. and that is....

All Iranian mullahs support the Islamic law and the sharia.

Iranian "Mullah" support of Sharia law does not necessitate support for Wilayat Faqhi. those are two separate issues.

also in my blogs i have not lent any support to khomeini or khamenei. so i am at loss on why u feel inclined to point their crimes to me.

 now what i think u meant was that all these "mullahs" support the IRI.  ok very well then i have one tiny question for you.

have u heard of ayatullah syed hossein borujerdi ??? do u know who he was ??

if u can answer those 2 questions. then your whole arguement of mullahs supporting the iri falls flat on it's face.

please investigate thoroughly before replying. don't say "Phuck Borujerdi and allll those phucking molahs. there all the same $hit"

if we're going to have a discussion let it be based on facts and intelligence instead of ad hominem attacks.

gitdoun

It is never late to get rid of evil, people in Spain did it and we will do it too.

gitdoun ver.2.0

I don't want to get into lecturing with you since I can tell you are one of thos young men who is smart but still doesn't know much

According to this Imam who has released his book with so much fatwas and lectures that if an intellecual or even a theologian reads through it and nalyzes it understand that this guys IQ matches that of a parrot.

All Iranian mullahs support the Islamic law and the sharia.

Your Mom or your sister would be slaves under their rules. and you with your outspoken as well as clear haircut would have no chance living under their system.

Do whatever you think is good but please do me a favor and stop writing in support of IRI and go get a girl friend and enjoy your life while living in your comfort home.

This same Imam killed 100,000 in the first 3 years of his revolution.

Anyone who was in the oposition or part of a military. He executed the best officers and generals of Iranian army, airforce and navy. His thugs pulled out students out of universities and executed them the same day.

Then they sent their bodies in black garbage bags some decapitated so they can fit the bags and to their parents. No funeral or any sort of mouring was allowed.

So you are saying masturbation of mind.

Our family members the best and the brightes very close pulled from university of Tehran with their friends and executed. Because they were protesting against oppression. That was in 1982.

It is not masturbation of our mind young man it is the truth, facts the crimes aganst humanity, against Iranian people by these thugs.

Yes all MUllahs are criminals and thugs all IRI supporter are thugs.

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to takavar & IIAF

with this attitude it be worthless to broaden the discussion into a robust scholarly level. it would be like pouring a pitcher of clean water on a pavement of cement. Nothing would come out of it.

But i will say this. People who hate Iranians simply because they are Muslim and hate Islam because it is a religion of the arabs all i have to say.... YOUR TOO LATE !!!!! your over a 1,376 years toooo late !!! islam and iranian society has integrated for over a THOUSAND YEARS !!!   Your iran is dead and as lifeless as those ruins in Persepolis. It's been dead since 633AD.  The Quran is as influential to PRESENT DAY iranian society as much as the Torah is to the modern state of Israel.  Even if Iran becomes Democractic or Socialist or Communist the Quran will always have an influential niche in iranian society. Now i know your mad at this and are saying F**K islam and F**K that Arab Founder but Please develop some emotional intelligence and accept the realities of life.

Islam has been part of Iran for over thousand years and it's influence is here to stay.

this clip should be played for all bassijis

Some of these kids were raised to believe that khamenei was the imam and now are fighting the people they consider anti-revolutionary. Maybe playing Khomeini's voice in a few of the speeches that have come out since last month where he's talking about the "utopia" he was ceating would shake some of them back to reality. One million brainwashed and armed devoted to keep these people in power is a huge force!!!

//online.wsj.com/article/SB124726981104525893...

khoda be mardom Iran rahm koneh

IRANdokht

Religion for Arabs.

All mullahs(ulamas) are the same, worthless and anti-iranian.  Islam is not our choosen religion, it is forced upon us by Arabs.  We need to get rid of both.

All mullahs will join Khomeini in hell where they all belong.

wgm1919 : The regime Mozdour

You think,  people would fall for your stupid headlines?  Think again.

Your "rahbar" is a crook just like you.

gitdoun...

I don't know what to say !!!!.  My advices to you is educating yourself about Islam, creation of Islam and how it was forced on other people(Arab and non-Arab). A good and human religion does not need bloody sword and genocide as  tools for spreading all over the world.

i respectfully disagree with Takavar

why are "mullah's" evil ?? why are u people so hateful of islam ?? is this just masturbation of the mind for you people to feel better from your stressful day at work??

there are several high ranking ulamas that have not and still do not support a Wilayat Faqhi form government/IRI. Khomeini's own mentor Ayatullah al-uzma Borjourdee was against mixing religion and state. Infact to the last day of his life he did his best to restrain khomeini from preaching his maverick/revolutionary beliefs.  So please refrain from emotional outbursts and resort to intellectual outbursts instead. yes, there have been ulamas that have done criminal acts but to say alllll ulamas are like this. and allll of islam is like this is irrational.

His soul

Is burning up well and good down in the deepest recesses of hell.

May the rest of his filthy colleagues soon join him. 

God ......his soul

Mullahs are evil, they are the product of Arab, turk and mongol invasion. Is Faatee kommando using other names?  

God Bless His Soul

A  great revolutionary with the ultimate vision and foresight.

thanks.