Attacks from Anonystan

There is a line between attacking the argument and attacking the author


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Attacks from Anonystan
by LanceRaheem
20-Oct-2007
 

The Queen of Soul, Aretha Franklin first sang about it back in the 70s. Parents and teachers everywhere demand it. Iranians in the Diaspora think their entitled to a lot more of it and it is often nowhere to be found in the mean-spirited, nasty and expletive-filled reader responses in the comments section of iranian.com, directed at individual article authors. What is it? It’s R-E-S-P-E-C-T!

Just a few days ago, I wrote a short piece on how I felt the Iranian-American community should respond to hateful comments directed at Iranians and made by Debra Cagan, the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Coalition Affairs. Perhaps, I was hasty in criticizing Ms. Cagan’s behavior too harshly, for after reading some of the scandalously hateful comments left for a contributor to this web magazine, Ms. Cagan’s cold and callous statement about hating all Iranians pales in comparison. How can we ever expect to be accepted and respected by our non-Iranian neighbors and fellow citizens if we are unable to accept and respect our own people?

I for one, cannot in good conscience, point a finger of shame at the Debra Cagans of the world while turning a blind eye and a deaf ear to those in our community whose words are every bit as objectionable. To do so would be like the pot calling the kettle black. None among us have the right to ask others to clean their house until we have our own house in order.

The anonymity that the Internet provides is definitely a two-edged sword. It allows individuals to express themselves freely without fear of being subjected to reprisal for their beliefs and opinions, especially when those beliefs and opinions are not popular or widely held. In this way the Internet serves and important function in promoting the utility of the ‘marketplace of ideas.’ On the other hand, it provides easy cover for those who wish to perpetrate cyber-assaults on others. These kinds of people reside in the cyber-land of Anonystan. They oftentimes post the most vile and indecent comments in response to articles with which they disagree, and they nearly always do so anonymously.

The thing that really bugs me is these cyber-cowards, more often than not, fail to challenge the merits of a position or argument held by a writer, but rather launch into vicious personal attacks on the writer. Their goal is not to offer better, different or alternative points of view, but rather to bully, intimidate, disparage, and generally destroy the reputation of the individual. The perpetrators of such comments are simply cyber-thugs. From the shadows of Anonystan, they assault people they’ve never met in a way that they would never have the guts to do in the real world.

I know some will have an almost irresistible impulse to accuse me being in favor of censorship, which I am most definitely not in favor of. However, freedom of expression does not include, the right, to viciously and unjustifiably assault a person. When the only purpose underlying a particular verbal or written utterance is to demean, humiliate and disparage a person so ruthlessly that his or her reputation is completely destroyed simply because they had the audacity to hold certain views or express certain opinions on a subject, it is not only illegal, it is immoral. An assault is an assault whether it comes in the real world or in cyber space just as cyber-libel is no less damaging as printed libel.

Robust debate in the market place of ideas is not only healthy, but necessary to the vitality of any multicultural community, especially those in societies with democratic traditions. The Iranian American community is one such multicultural community. We are not a cookie-cutter people by any stretch of the imagination. We are made up of Muslims, Christians, Jews, Bahias, agnostics, and atheists.

We are made up of many different ethnic groups, each having its own distinct language and traditions. We are made up of Republicans (with a big R), Democrats (with a big D), republicans, democrats, monarchists, communists and Islamists. We are made of people born and raised in Iran, people born in Iran, but raised their entire lives abroad, people born and raised abroad, people with two-Iranian parents and others with just one, people who can speak, read and write Farsi and others who cannot. We are a very diverse group of people.

The only thing that is uniform about all of us is how strikingly un-uniform we really are. The only thing that we all have in common is our uncommon love and devotion to our homeland and our people.

With so many differences, why do some amongst us presume that we should all think the same way? One of the chief complaints that one often hears in our community is that the government of the Islamic Republic denies its citizens the right to freely express themselves, yet there are those right here in the USA who hide behind the First Amendment to launch attacks on fellow Iranians in an effort to deny them their right to freely express themselves. This is not only ironic, but disgusting as well.

Having written many articles in the past, my opinions have not been immune from criticism and often justifiably so. Not all of us are going to agree on everything, and that is the way things should be. However, there is a huge difference between constuctively criticizing a person's ideas, beleifs and opinions and attacking an individual at a personal level. Sometimes a writer opens the door and invites personal attacks on himself or herself.

The well-known, but not well-regarded Iranian-Canadian cartoonist, Hajiahga comes to mind. His salacious and lascivious depictions of not only Iranian women, but women in general justify the responses he regularly gets; but one must remember that he invites such responses by the very nature and content of his contributions to iranian.com. He knows all too well how people will react to his contributions and I think he probably gets a kick out of it.

All writers, in my opinion, can and should be legitimately and robustly challenged on the merits of their positions, and opinions. This is how any community achieves consensus and arrives at truths. When one chooses to open the door to vigorous and robust debate by submitting material for publication, one ought to have a thick enough skin to accept that others may disagree or see things differently. It’s like Harry Truman said, ‘If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.’

This is very different, however, from ripping someone apart at a personal level just because their views don’t happen to be popular. There is a line between attacking the argument and attacking the author.

This week I read several pieces written by a woman in Washington, D.C. that attracted the venom of numerous comment posters. Some posters legitimately ripped her arguments to shreds. Others justifiably commented on her very poor and rambling writing abilities. These things are fair game. She chose to advertise her beliefs in the market place of ideas and when others rejected what she had to say or the manner in which she said it; so be it.

However, many of the comments that were posted went far beyond criticizing her stated positions, or her ability as a writer. They attacked her personally and cruelly. The comments section was replete with hateful, hurtful comments of a personal nature that no Iranian woman should be subjected to. I do not know this woman and based upon her writings, I’m sure that I do not want to know her, but still she is entitled to express her opinions no matter how distasteful and unpopular those opinions might be. She should be afforded no less respect than anyone else is entitled to.

If freedom of speech is meant to protect anything, it is meant to protect the ideas that are the least popular and most repugnant to the majority. I simply do not understand those who are so shallow that instead of taking this woman to task for her beliefs and ideas, they are so underdeveloped intellectually that they must resort to the filthiest kind of personal attack imaginable. I have taken the liberty to reproduce a sampling of the comments that I personally found to be the most nauseatingly repulsive; see if you agree:


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Nazanin is enjoying another Islamic cock...
by Anonymouss (not verified)
on Mon Oct 08, 2007 01:46 PM PDT


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Band of sisters
by Fozulbashi (not verified)
on Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:09 AM PDT

Deliberations of Ghasemian are not worthy of debate. Every time and again, we get a Reborne-Mulsim-Bitch (it is almost invariably a woman) who has rediscovered Islam and is embracing it with all it assumed glory. So far we have had Nahid Shafiei and a couple of others and now we have Ghasemian. I feel seriosuly sorry for the nation whose Islamic revivalist are such morons who lack education and even finesse.


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Nobody gives a fuck what you think Nazanin...
by Omar Pahlevani (not verified)
on Mon Oct 08, 2007 05:01 PM PDT

You are not an American or Iranian, you are just a cockroach of the Islamic Republic which have infested this site. Continue sucking your masters dick since their time is comming...


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Goozidam beh gisse Iranian in DC
by Goozidam beh rishet (not verified)
on Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:35 AM PDT

You are not only a bitch but you are beesavad bitch: PROBABILITY is ONLY BETWEEN ZERO and ONE. It can't be >1 you idiot. Go eat shit now.


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Another garbage piece by Nazanin, the newest cunt of IRI
by Omar (not verified)
on Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:26 AM PDT

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That thing on your head
by Caspianseamermaid (not verified)
on Fri Oct 05, 2007 01:45 PM PDT

Could you and your friends please go back to Iran? Or better still, go to Saudi Arabia and join the burqah brigade. Get out of the Western world, please.


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Nazanin, you may need some anal sex to open your eyes..
by Yazid (not verified)
on Fri Oct 05, 2007 09:55 AM PDT


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You remind me of human garbage, Fuck your Islam
by Omar (not verified)
on Fri Oct 05, 2007 08:12 AM PDT

please do not forget your aftabeh before touching your keyboard.


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If this is the way Iranian men are supposed to address Iranian women with whom they disagree, my mother did not raise me right. In my home, my parents raised me to respect Iranian women even if I did not like them or agree with them. These comments and others like them that were meant to embarrass and demean this woman on a personal level are shameful. It is entirely possible, however, that I am the one who is out of step with the majority of the members of our community. If it is right and proper to use such coarse and abusive language when we disagree with one another, then perhaps, I should apologize to Debra Cagan, for she did nothing more than we do to ourselves.


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nazanin did NOT incriminate

by IraneAzad (not verified) on

Nothing of her writing was incriminating. If she said bad information or defaming they can sue her. People here don't like 2face facts, or use facts to show another person's argument is wrong. they talk about sex and make rude comment.


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What about her own writings

by Ari (not verified) on

What about her own writings taht attracted these repsonses? They were not presenting any ideas but were dirty, decieful and incriminating accustaions and personal attacks against certain people. If hajiagha is asking for it, so is this "lady" and her likes.
Nice try.
We are not that idiot to fall for it though. :)


Q

Anti-Iran: you're full of it...

by Q on

I don't know how much you get paid to demoralize Iranians but it's obvious you don't know what you're talking about.

 

 

And Fredy: You're right. Let's make an exception for people who "really" deserve it and let's let people decide who deserves it by using the "flag as offensive" button, OK?


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YES- BUT SOMEONE LIKE NAZANIN REALLY DESERVES IT!

by Fredy (not verified) on

Look, You maybe right. But Someone like Nazanin and her boyfriend Nema really deserve it. Especially Nazanin. She makes comments and she refuses to answer them by being rude and abnoxious. Nema is more of a lawyer. He just keeps his silence but basically never answers when he is challenged. If you make an argument, you also have some duty to be frank and answer the questions instead of trying to be a wise ass and dodge them.


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Despite who says what on this site ...

by Anti-Islamic Republic (not verified) on

the bombing of the Islamic Republic is as close to reality as the rising of the Sun tomorrow morning.

For all of you supporters of the Islamic Republic, your days are numbered!


Ben Madadi

About my comment below

by Ben Madadi on

I meant readers don't want to read comments (not articles, because that can be monitored by the admin of the site) that have no sense but to curse etc.


Ben Madadi

Reply

by Ben Madadi on

The important thing IS NOT to make the authors feel better themselves because they are not insulted. Who gives a damn about some words anyway? BUT in case people knew who I am (in real life) there would be a problem. Because I would not dare letting my mom see text like what I received on my previous article (sikim demir, gel bunu gemir). I never reported (flag as offensive) any comment, because none of them bother me personally. They are just empty words, but they reduce the QUALITY of the articles. Readers are most offended, and the page on which the article is written is being reduced to a nonesense. I don't see a big deal in letting the authors decide to let, or not to let, comments. I personally would let all of them because my mom doesn't read Latin, and she had never opened the Internet in her life ;) But I am sure real-life people think a bit harder before submitting an article. They deserve more respect. AND, the other more serious problem is with the readers. Readers don't want to read a junkyard and select one in five articles that are somehow close to human standards :)


Mehdi

Ben Madadi's solution would be great

by Mehdi on

I agree that some comments are just outride garbage. Like Ben says if someone really has a point they can do their own counter-post. So the reality is that they are not being sensored. But, I for one, do not enjoy reading people who are just rude or use foul language or make fun of the subject, etc. That's not freedom of expression - that's giving freedom to the idiocy.


Q

YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF CENSORSHIP

by Q on

Just kidding! This is a really good and long-overdue discussion. I hate to say it but these anonymous comments are making a mockery of the reputation of this place, I don't know why JJ doesn't see it this way. It's his magazine, he has a right to do be as open as he wants, but must be driving away readers by giving a playground with people who do not respect the power that they are given.

 

The problem also is that there is no good solution. If it goes to registered only, that will help but you can always start a fake account. Many non-anonymous people have anonymous names anyway. There is no way to hold people accountable. Maybe JJ is just ahead of all of us on this one.

 

 

Ben, you have a good idea. But your solution works for a blog site like blogfa or blogspot. This is supposed to be a magazine, so comments are typically uniform (either all there or not.)


Ben Madadi

My proposition...

by Ben Madadi on

When Jahanshah had just launched the new version I sensed a problem that any other contributor can probably feel. It is NOT the content of the comments that matter, i.e. when someone calls ME names either by e-mail or commenting about my articles the insults DO NOT bother me. The problem IS INDEED that the quality of the article and the arguments is being badly reduced and those who lose out are the readers. For the sake of practicality, and in order to maintain some quality, I proposed to JJ that he lets the authors choose whether they want any comments at all, or whether they want to monitor (delete or allow) the comments on their own works, or whether they want ALL the comments to be published. So, I proposed three versions, but all the three being given to authors. Afterall if someone's article need serious challenges etc people can write their own article about that article as such and argue against, or for, it. By applying my proposition the quality of the community would increase. Anyway, I know that technical issues usually matter, take time, or even get stuck. I had also written to JJ that there will also be a lot of spam (espcially on older articles) in case all comments are allowed, without notice. That has already started to happen, even with the measures about mathematics etc (that word only to prevent robots, to some extent). One single anonymous angry person can do lots of harm to an article, so it is useless to say that there are problems with the readers. It happend even with website in other languages or about other peoples.


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