Jahanshah Javid

Shame on me for wasting my time.

This is my 1st visit to Iranian.com, and this is the 2nd article. What a waste of time, will never visit this site again and will self-proxy it for good. TRUE IRANIANS, STAY AWAY. SHAME!!!

Freedom of expression...

I personally don't agree with cartoons like hajiagha's because they are openly and simply sexist, or homophobic, and that is not about freedom of expression. But I also know that even important US newspapers or blogs do some times talk about porn sites etc because they are not something to ignore. But you don't usually find homophobic or sexist stuff, cartoons or texts, on major US or UK media channels. But saying that this or that porn site exists is an important social issue :)

I have One Thing To Add

www.avizoon.com

Indecency = Freedom?

One supposes this is "freedom of expression," or "democracy" according to warped-minded individuals like Mr Javid or B. Madadi who liked watching the videos because it raised a "social issue".

To some mixing pornographic cartoons by Haji Agha is freedom, yet here in U.S. even no credible website mixes serious/funny contents with pornography. iT IS CATEGORISED as porn.

BUT, one can see how pesonal choices mix and mingle with the idea of democracy (according to me; according to you).

If one had true integrity, then one would bring-up the subject without embedding the actual URL.

Westerners see many Iranians in Iran in black chadors, then see a popular web site that publishes porn-cartoons and provides URLs to porn sites--and they erronously see a culture of extremism.

My summary Bokon bokon is

My summary

Bokon bokon is great, even epileptic style. But in my book, with or without consent of the participants, these tapes can be dangerous. Anyone who directly or indirectly circulates this matarial increases the risk of the participants getting caught. I have no problems with blame. And it has nothing to do with my Iranianess :)

Another issue

Dear Bahmani, these tapes do infact show the ineptitude of these men and women at good sex- or just sex for that matter, but in this case you are way off the subject.
The issue is not whether they know what to do or not in bed, it's other things...(don't want to repeat it all!)
But that is one perspective which can also be diccussed in depth ... in a full scale article!

Makes Harem Scene in 300 look Romantic

OK, I've had enough, there's only so much bad, incompetent, inept, unskilled, epileptic, nervous tic, mentally retarded sex a person can stand to watch before lunch. Here's my ass-essment. We have always been comforted by and largely accepted that as Iranians, it is our 2500 year old tradition to lag far behind the rest of the world in things like democracy, freedom of speech, women's and social rights, economic and basic technological advances. We were comforted in the knowledge that some things that the rest of the world has come to take for granted, we simply don't deserve to have. And we were OK with that, because we always had the tradition of intense poetic Esgh and Aasheghi, a level of passion far higher than most. The love of an Iranian used to be 10 times that of others. Or so we thought. However, what is painfully clear from this expose, is that apparently Iranians (in Iran) have absolutely no idea what they are doing when it comes to the bedroom! Has passion and the sensual respect for women become the final casualties of rule by religion? These are training videos on how bad sex can scar you emotionally.

To Azarin: a porn site isn't journalism

Compassion: I think everyone feels something icky about this site. I'm not sure it's compassion, but then again this is mostly simple sex. And apparently consensual.

Sensitive: JJ didn't glorify it. He just put it out there fr consideration. The negative responses show how prudish we have become.

Harm or Discomfort: The site owner already did that. If there is H or D, exposing this site will stop it.

Privacy: again, talk to the owner and the subjects who uploaded their videos.

Good taste & Pandering: IN this day and age, discussions about sex and a porn site are far from pandering. And I can think of nothing in worse taste than the oppressive policies of religious rule.

Juveniles and Victims: Again if any crimes have been committed by the publisher of the site, they have just been exposed.

Couple of points:   I

Couple of points:

I don't know why discussing a certain issue immediately becomes a "blame game" among us, Iranians. It is as if we sense something is not quite right (even though we cannot pinpoint exactly what; after all, Iranians' reactions are, in general, more often instinctive than cerebral.) we start looking for the person who is to be blamed. All I'm saying is, judging JJ is one thing and righting a wrong another. (Incidentally I have very strong opinions about "virtues" and "vices" of JJ.)

Secondly, some of the comment writers seem to be under the impression that had it not been for endangering the people exposed in those videos, then it would be perfectly OK to put on the web such videos of people who did not agree to be shown in public. The simple fact that such un-consented exposure alone is by itself quite unethical seems to elude us completely. Maybe some of us think that if the Iranian government didn't pose any danger for these people, then it would be just "good fun" to put those videos on web. I know I'm repeating myself here, but this repetition seems to be necessary here.

One last point about JJ's choices: I have long come to this conclusion that JJ doesn't have (cannot have?) any fixed opinion about anything. Perhaps he's too busy putting iranian.com together to think long enough to form an opnion. Iranian.com is a great mixture of all sort of ALL Iranian-related stuff. It is up to the reader to exercise good judgement in choosing what to pick and what to ignore.

I'll get back to you

I just wanted to let you know that I intend to research this site, and once I have made my thorough inspection of the situation, I will be getting back to you with my response and analysis. from the amount of material, this may take a while.

Ben Madadi: Iranian

Ben Madadi: Iranian dissidents make a choice to publish their articles or ideas. Some of the men OR women on these tapes didn't decide to be exposed. So what if Iran is dangerous? My problem is with actively participating in increasing the risk! Sure a choice was made. But I think this discussion of social phenomenon could have taken place without exposure and risk to others.

what kind of porn?

what kind of porn? as we know in Iran girls as young as 9 are being forced to marry, or seegheh in some cases. What happens if the "husbands" decide to film their "wives" and sell it to this website, or even post it free?

Other than the risk the women in this website are being exposed to, doesn't it also put Iranian.com's readers at risk of having child porn on their computers? Unknowingly.

No-one is perfect!

Jahanshah has made a choice. It may be good or bad, and might have already had second-thoughts, or not. Making the decision to post, or not, such a link is not so simple. For instance I have had NO IDEA there was any Iranian home-made porn out there. Was it important for me to find out about this? I think it was, because it is a significant social issue. So, Jahanshah by posting this link, brought us to the knowledge that Iranians do indeed film each other while having sex, and there are plenty of them out there. Iranians live in a dangerous country by Western standards, but when we visit Iran and talk to Iranians they don't seem so scared. You get used to it! This link has definitely helped the porn website but I doubt it has added to the threat those people were facing already. Iranians have long been exchanging mobile-phone videos with each other via bluetooth, and they have been using generalistic porn websites already. Let's not forget mentioning that being an Iranian dissident and writing on Iranian.com is far more dangerous than making a sex-tape and posting it on the Internet.

Marjan jan this isn't about

Marjan jan this isn't about kos or kir or sex. Something else is at stake here. If you can't see it, it's not up to me to keep talking about it.

JJ jan still luv you.

JJ has not made that website

What's wrong with you people?! JJ has nothing to do with that website and the videos. You're talking as if he has made the videos himself and victimized the women. He has just written about it and gave a link. The website has been up and running for a while and Iran's agents would find it with or without JJ's links. It seems you have lost soorakh doa. Also, it seems you have no web literacy and don't know that having the word "KOS" in your website is enough for bringing a lot of hits for your website through search engines, without the need for a link from a blog entry in Iranian.com

WE come from a background of

WE come from a background of oppression. Not just sexual oppression. Political, financial and international oppression. Never mind socioeconomical oppression etc. We all know this.

If we think that we can acheive freedom, or we can openly discuss taboo subjects without a framework, we are wrong. There is not one single subject that is sacred enough that we can't talk about it. We should talk about everything. But within a framework.

I shouldn't talk about Evin, if I give away the name of some phorogropher who may have caught some horrible pictures. This could kill the person.

I am overdramatizing but I just can't get THAT girl's picture out of my head. We can talk about sex. Taping sex. Iranian sex. Sex in ANBARI. Anything. But why do we have to put faces to it? How does that make us more free to talk?

Such sites aren't even

Such sites aren't even regulated. You can have rape scenes, underage kids etc. And now we have a link to it on this site! Why not link to some real porn that has real action and voyeur videos without endangering a life? I just don't get the BENEFIT of such a link posted here. On principle alone, I don't see any benefit. Not for the sake of sex or porn. Not in the sake of openning a discussion either (we can talk about child abuse without showing videos right?). So we could talk about this subject without the link.
Ben Madadi: JJ didn't make any of these videos (we think lol) but the link on such a popular site improves the sites viewership (is that a word, i just made it up). Thereby, increasing the risk. As for the risk of making a video. Well, my husband and I make them on regular basis. But we are sure that they won't show up on the net if we get divorced. We are also certain that if they did make it to the internet, the police wouldn't kill hang us for it. So, some of these individuals may have made these videos in situations where they thouhght there was no risk. Some may be prostitues who were paid to be on camera. But in any case, what does it matter? point is, why take part in increasing risk? And the video that I saw was very clear.

I looked at the website today

I could not see faces very well but I am pretty sure it is possible to use this kind of stuff AT LEAST for back-up in case there are already suspicions about some people. But at the same time some of these people are obviously doing it clearly knowing about the possible consequences of what they are doing. Life is riskier in Iran and people have learnt to live with it. But I'm not so sure we can blame JJ for having posted this on the website, because he has been posting articles of the Iranian dissidents for years now, which is also risky for the dissidents, i.e. being an Iranian dissident in itself is risky. The porn website was already running for some time so the authorities knew about it already.

...again

By the way there are many things in life which are sacred to me, one of them being the "Rights" of every individual... so I beg to differ on your motto of -- Nothing is Sacred!
But this site is yours ... so you have every right to choose the motto of your choice!
Good luck.

Hi JJ

Hi JJ:
I am totally appalled and flabbergasted - certainly not by the existence of such Iranian porn sites - but, by your choice!
I, personally, after having read all the comments have nothing more to add to what has already been expressed and argued by: Azarin S, Amir T, Holdon, and PT... but I have a question : would it be ok for you if you were to find a person you knew and cared for deeply , like a friend, a sister, a daughter, a cousin , a neighbour .... on one of these sites having sex with a male, boyfriend, their husband ... and unbeknownst to them either their hellish partner or some horrible other male/female /voyeur caught them on camera?
Would that be ok with you??? - Perhaps Not! Especially if they could be at risk of death and total disgrace/infamy in many societies of the world including Iran!
Do you think my aunt a British citizen (by birth)- or any parent for that matter- other than the Mrs. Hilton types! - would be ok with it if she found her daughter on the internet like this? N-O ,no, no!
But please let me know if I am mistaken and it is ok in your books.
Perhaps it was a last moment decision, or maybe not, I don't know. But for whatever reason, or reasoning in mind at the time...
Please think about it again.

Google search?

Hey Steve,
Since BerimFaza is a unique name it's the only one in the entire internet. Therefore it would be No 1 in google search no matter what -- forever in fact. So my link did not improve it's google search position.

Thanks JJ, my sex life has improved

I have been truly tired of my wife's vagina after 15 years of marriage and also tired of professionally taped porn sites. Berimfaza is not perfect but I take it anytime over my wife's tunnel or pro porn sites, now I can enjoy jerking off...

Meanwhile, over at Google...

I think that the website owner has achieved what he set out to accomplish, with regard to his request for inclusion in Iranian.com
Go over to Google, search for his website name and see what comes up first. Not sure what you call that, but this is classic "link love", in my book.

BTW, I think most people on

BTW,

I think most people on this site are aware that sex happens in Iran and it isn't such a taboo subject anyway. Most of us know that some of us get a kick out of taping it. So what? Hala chera in bad bakhta ro advertise konim? So we can say we are liberal and can sit and discuss some phenomenon in Iran? What if you saw your cousin? What if you hear that he was send to jail? This site has repeatedly posted information on stoning and executions. You are posting people's faces. That is so hypocritical.

I keep writing great

I keep writing great comments and they are deleted and not posted. What is up with this site. Last thing i wrote will be summerized:

- This discussion is worth having but could have taken place without sacrificing people in these video and endangering their lives.

- We can be open to talking about taboos but there should be rules. Having rules does not mean we are closed and we refuse to look. It just means we have a framework. E.g. journalists don't release names of victimes or eye witnesses. Iranian.com should not, or we should not, be using other people's lives in order to intellectualize sex or some supposed phenomenon in Iran.

- This is where one can see how dangerous information is in the hands of anyone with an internet connection.

- JJ jan, really bad call. If anyone from these tapes is caught, i wouldn't sleep tight if I were you. If you have a jewish neighboor that everyone knows, and has already reported to the SS. If you were to report this neighbour, does it make it right knowing they might end up in a gas chamber?. I think the answer is no. Who cares if IRI already knows about these sites, it doesn't matter if other readers already know about this site, why would you want to take part in taking someone to the gas chamber.Over dramatizing? HATMAN. But I think you get the point.

Is it time yet?

JJ if you are not convinced after the cases made by Azarin and AmirT that you made an “incorrect” call this time by adding this link to your site, then I will throw the towel

JJ writes:   "Some

JJ writes:

"Some have no idea they are being filmed... Probably none had any idea one day they would be watched by the whole world."

JJ, to my dismay, fails to understand the difference between a bona fide porn site, where all parties have agreed to be portrayed the way they are, and an utterly immoral (by ANY standards) act of portraying women being harassed on the street, or being f***ed by their "creepy lovers". I only watched one of the videos (the one in which a guy lifts up the skirt of a woman in public) and was quite disturbed. If there is a real Iranian feminist out there, they will make a lot of fuss about this.

JJ is so overjoyed by finding an evidence that the human nature is more powerful than the laws of the land that he is blind to the immorality, not of showing naked people having bad sex, but of violating people's privacy without their knowledge. berimfaza.com may be innovative, bold, and one of a kind; it may even quench our curiosity and provide ample evidence that yes, even in Iran people have illicit sex (as if we didn't know), but it's definitely not a proper, morally acceptable porn site. Get some professional actors who are willing to be filmed and publicized on the net for God's sake.

My response to JJ

Dear Jahanshah,

Of course I know you don’t own the Iranian porn site (Thank god!) otherwise my previous message would be much harsher on you! But isn’t it true that your site is the most popular Iranian site on the Web? And I am sure the number of hits these obscure sites are getting (or at least were getting until two days ago) is not comparable with the hits you get. My concern is increased by the laws of probability.

I know for a fact that Iranian.com is watched closely by Iranian regime because of the special treatment Ali Mahin Torabi received after the publication of his pictures on your site and believe me that thinking about it makes me sick of myself. But unfortunately my sickness is only intellectual.

I think, at this point, I am just trying to figure out the limits of responsibility of journalism compared to the limits of responsibility of each of us as human beings. 

So I googled "ethics in journalism" and found this link:

//www.spj.org/ethicscode.asp

This is part of the detailed list of the ethics:

"...

Minimize Harm
Ethical journalists treat sources, subjects and colleagues as human beings deserving of respect.

Journalists should:

— Show compassion for those who may be affected adversely by news coverage. Use special sensitivity when dealing with children and inexperienced sources or subjects.
— Be sensitive when seeking or using interviews or photographs of those affected by tragedy or grief.
— Recognize that gathering and reporting information may cause harm or discomfort. Pursuit of the news is not a license for arrogance.
— Recognize that private people have a greater right to control information about themselves than do public officials and others who seek power, influence or attention. Only an overriding public need can justify intrusion into anyone’s privacy.
— Show good taste. Avoid pandering to lurid curiosity.
— Be cautious about identifying juvenile suspects or victims of sex crimes..." 

Thanks,

Azarin

To Redwine. I'm with you on that

Personally, I find it really boring, but if someone wants to watch others humping, why not?

I'm much more concerned with the fact that hanging in public is OK and that's not just in Iran, but as newsfootage across the globe and the cutting up of bodies is OK in movies for 8 year olds, but watching a funny orgasm in action isn't. Screwed up world, and not enough screwing.

Jahanshah, like khodemoonim, like, ukkh like

Does this mean that now you've had one kind of growth removed, you are into another kind? (;)

Glad to read , that you are O.k..