Dream of Islam Free Iran coming true

Faramarz_Fateh
by Faramarz_Fateh
03-Aug-2009
 

Succession of the slogans during the recent protests following the presidential elections was as follows:

Where is my vote ---> Marg Bar Diktator ---> Marg bar Khamenei and now "Jomhoori Irani, Esteghlal, azadi".

That is right!  No Islamic prefix before the name Iran. 

People of Iran (are you listening JalehO and the rest of Islam-o-filth?) want an Iran, free of Islam. 

For over 13 centuries Islam has been the main source of "bad bakhti" for the country of Iran and Iranians.

People of Iran want no more "Besmellah" before speeches, no more "be nameh khoda" at the begining of the movies, no more men with beards and no ties who can't talk worth of crap on TV.  No more Ashoora, Tasooa, zarbat-e hazrate Ali ........ 71 days of soogvari each year......no more control of who can watch what on TV ....... no more hejab for women, no more 2nd class citizens in Iran.... no more rule of uneducated Islamomafia geda zadeh oghdeyee mob ...... no more reshveh to hold a wedding ..... no more basiji ..... Can you think of 1 good thing that Islam has brought for Iran and Iranian?  Just one? 

An Iran free of Islam will join the ranks of the developed nations of the world, perhaps G8 or in future G10 in less than a decade. You can take that to the bank.

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Zulfiqar110

Bahai Tactics & Techniques: CAUTION NON-BAHAIS

by Zulfiqar110 on

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BAHAI Tactics & Techniques

"Slanderous Vilification" = The Baha'i Technique - Ad Hominem, Libel, Slander, Demonize, Scapegoat, Ostracize, Shun, Banish, Backbite, Defame, Vilify, Discredit, Smear, Revile, Suppress, Attack, Bully, Intimidate, Threaten, Malign, Blackball, Deceive, Coerce, Silence, Harass... etc., etc....  CAUTION NON-BAHAIS

1. As far as possible they hold back from responding
2. Then they claim no knowledge of the given issue by feigning
ignorance
3. After the exposer has exposed they will try to divert to secondary
and totally peripheral and irrelevent side-issues
4. The exposer is then painted as someone with an axe to grind,
biased, deluded (while they, the bahaim, still have not responded to
the main issue exposed)
5. Next they relate mental instability and insanity to the exposer,
i.e. shoot the messenger
6. Then, the last tactic, is to wheel out several dubious personas on
the scene who claim to be neutral non-bahai observers who then begin
attacking the exposer as well as the issue exposed while supporting
the bahais and their issues as so-called non-bahais.

 

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Fateh, do the world a favor and croak...


Faramarz_Fateh

Dota loser be ham noon gharz midan

by Faramarz_Fateh on

Zulfiqar110, I give you some brotherly advice; adjust your meds dude....if you wanna think I am a Bahai, more power to you.  I don't have a religion as I have indicated numerous times, but I tell you I rather die than to accept the religion of my father and his forefathers, Islam.

But seriously dude, get over it.  The Bahais threw your ass out of their religion because you are a nut job. For God sake by your own admission, you have started your own religion.  Only minor problem is that you don't have any real followers.  Notice, I said real.  In your mind, you may have created imaginary followers.  But in the real world, they don't count.

Folks like you are generally admitted to an institution so that under observation and with treatment you may come out of the hallucinatory world you have created for yourself.

 


Zulfiqar110

Sasan & Anonym

by Zulfiqar110 on

I have read the Qur'an in the original Arabic, something which is usually a closed book to most contemporary Iranians who haven't bothered to learn the language. Having read it I can say that you haven't because the Qur'an is not the kind of text that lends itself easily to any concrete, end-of-story, one-size fits all kind of interpretation. Unlike the Bible, it is both a sonorous as well as an incredibly elusive text, almost impossible at times to pin down on a straight answer, and in many ways mirrors in its intent the sort of lofty elusiveness found in the Gathas, the Avesta and the Bundahishn. It is precisely because of such elusiveness and permeability of multivalent meaning that this text has been maleable to endless, creative interpretation and re-interpretation over the past 14 centuries, especially by the Sufis and gnostic esotericsts in Islam. This is a point that because of close minded bias people such as yourself refuse to look at. And because you refuse to look at such nuance it is useless trying to prove anything to you, since you don't possess a context or methodology  that one can reason with.

Now Abu-Zakkariya Razi is usually brought forward by people like yourself as an example of a historical anti-Islamic freethinker. What you fail to mention is the fact that Abu Zakkariya Razi held Plato and Hermes Trismegistus as figures on equal par with Muhammad and the Abrahamic lineage of prophets - often he elevated them even above the former. He was certainly not a freethinking agnostic in the modern definition of the word. He was simply one of many lingering figures of a pre-Islamic pagan philosophical community, like the Sabians of Harran, who found a literary voice during the Islamic period. In fact if you actually read Abu Zakkariya Razi you will find his overall views and perspective not so different from the community of the Brotherhood of Purity (Ikhwan al-Safa') of Basra, who were contemporaneous with Abu Zakkariya. And the Ikhwan al-Safa' were Muslims and often suspected of being Isma'ilis, especially given their fusing of Neo-Pythagorean philosophy and science with the Abrahamic prophetology of the Qur'an. Suhrawardi, my favourite Iranian philosopher who I am most attached to, also engaged in such creative philosophical syncretisms, going so far as re-interpreting the entire prophetology and angelology of Islam in light of Zoroastrianism and Neoplatonic Hermeticism; and by succeeding in such theological syncretism as his point of departure, he ushered a revolution in philosophical speculations in Iran, particularly amongst Twelver Shi'ites who found a particular resonance with his perspective. Suhrawardi, as a Neo-Zoroastrian Neo-Platonic Iranian Muslim, also composed a commentary on the Qur'an, particularly of its Light Verse (24:35).

That said, when you say that we cannot know for certain whether Avicenna or Rumi were real Muslims, is, frankly, fallacious reasoning born of bias and misinformation, not to mention patent ahistorical nonsense. Yes, we can know for certain that Avicenna and Rumi were Muslims by engaging with their works and reading their own words - which I bet you haven't. Rumi's entire Masnavi is a commentary on the Qur'an set to Persian verse, for pete's sake! And according to Bahmanyar, his chief disciple, Avicenna composed a Qur'an commentary of his own which unfortunately has now been lost. Nasiruddin Tusi claims to have seen parts of this Avicennan Qur'an commentary in his commentary on Avicenna's Isharat va Tanbihat. So I don't know where you're getting your information from, but you might consider finding a new source. Start here,

www.amiscorbin.com/textes/.../Hist_Iran_Phil_Corbin_part_I.pdf

www.amiscorbin.com/textes/.../Hist_Iran_Phil_Corbin_part_II.pdf

 Anonym, ditto your poignant observations regarding Faramarz Fateh. The sort of hateful malice and adamant stupidity exhibited by this creature is a fixed feature of the Haifan Baha'i community and most rank and file fundamentalist Baha'is I know. While I am most anxious to see this regime finally fall to ground and be erased from the pages of history, a word to wise Iranians such as yourself: watch these people like hawks. They have an agenda for Iran not unlike the one the mullahs imposed over us these past 30 years, if they are allowed to roam free and unchecked, that is. The whole organization (or cult) is dominated by fascist idiots and dolts like this buffoon Faramarz Fateh from top to bottom.

 


Sassan

Zulfiqar110

by Sassan on

We will never truly know if Rumi or Razi or Avicenna were devout Muslims or Muslim only in name! I don't need anyone to tell me how to think -- all I know is that Islam lends itself VERY EASILY to tyranny! And if you knew how much Rumi and Razi were persecuted in their times, then you, too, would have your doubts about anything you read from those repressive times.

But just consider Razi's quote below -- and what I wrote earlier, i.e., "More than anything, it's very difficult for me to believe that God (the merciful) would endorse men (Islamic heros) who would resolve their disputes with massive violence, which is exactly what Muhammad, Ali and Hussein did in their time! How could God sanction such bloodlust?! How could the same God give birth to a pacifist like Jesus, then sanction the sort of violence committed by Islam's prophets in the name of "surrender to Allah?"

Islam is nothing more than a bedouin belief system, and nothing more! It was written by 3 Jews and one of us, Salman Farsi, the first and most wicked Iranian to rebel against the Persian culture. Go read the Quran (without fear of being turned into a stone by Allah) and see for yourself how much filth there is in this "holy" book.


Anonym

To all decent folks ...

by Anonym on

They say when you look into the eyes of a savage dog, you challenge him. If you look away then he takes it as a sign of weakness and goes on his way, feeling victorious.

I guess some people are like that too! When you break away from them, they think you are afraid. Little they know, that this is the only way to treat a mindless person because there is no way you can reason with them. You have to break contact, let them feel victorious and be on your way.

May God guide them to the right path, but that is very much in doubt.

Long live Iran, free of religious rule. 


Faramarz_Fateh

Anony...don't run to mommy

by Faramarz_Fateh on

Listen my proud Iranian "friend" who lives outside Iran.

I hope this is your last post to me and to my blogs.  Your nonsense clutters up the space on here.

For a like of you, an Islamofacist who knows nothing about logic, reason, decency or humanity, to call me what you have takes either balls or stupidy.

I doubt you have any of the former.

I bid you goodbye my Islamiofacist "friend". 


Anonym

Framarz

by Anonym on

You just verified what I have been saying.

"Well, I as one of the so called extremest on the left would sure like have the opportunity to use guns ...

And one more thing, don't say

"First you say we are wrong to say that if Iran was not ruled by Islam it could not have been a greater country because it is what it is.

and accuse me that I said it. That is your sentence.

You are a fanatical, radical zealot. And what is worse, you are not even proud to be Iranian as you say:

"Fristly, the only thing I can ever be proud of is being a decent human being who has contributed to the well being of humanity is a meaningful way. Being proud to be Iranian, American, Japanese etc is stupid."

and lastly, there is nothing decent nor intelligent about you!

And one more thing about radical zealots that I found is always they think that the rest of people are 'idiotic' and that the zealots are just too kind to lower themselves to our filthy level. Why is it that you think so highly of yourselves? 

One can not hold a decent and intelligent conversation with characters of your kind because you just don't get it! Do you? You are just so  full of your mindless self. Aren't you?

So this will be my last post to you.

 

 


Faramarz_Fateh

Anonym, you are as usual wrong

by Faramarz_Fateh on

You say "Iran had it's greatest period during the last 1300 years." And your proof is "For those that say "IF" Iranians were not Muslims then it would be just as great. That is not so. What is, is what is. (Agaro kashtan, dar"

Now that you can sit back and read your writing, could you see how idiotic is that line of reasoning?

You continue to say " There are just as many as anti-Islamic extremist, as there are Islamist
extremists in Iran. The only difference is that the anti-Islamic
radicals (on this site and elsewhere) don't yet have the guns and clubs
to kill and hurt Iranian people. 

Well, I as one of the so called extremest on the left would sure like have the opportunity to use guns against the IslamoMafia that has ruled Iran for what seems like for ever.

So, let me reinstate how idiotic your like of reasoning is:

First you say we are wrong to say that if Iran was not ruled by Islam it could not have been a greater country because it is what it is.

Then you say if non Islamist had guns they would be as violent as the filth that DOES HAVE the guns now.

So, it is what it is does not apply here ha?

 


Faramarz_Fateh

zulfiqar110

by Faramarz_Fateh on

the psych drugs have really done a job on you.....try to adjust the dosage, maybe that'll work


Anonym

Shame is on the side of unjust

by Anonym on

Iran had it's greatest period during the last 1300 years. For those that say "IF" Iranians were not Muslims then it would be just as great. That is not so. What is, is what is. (Agaro kashtan, dar nayoomad)

There are just as many as anti-Islamic extremist, as there are Islamist extremists in Iran. The only difference is that the anti-Islamic radicals (on this site and elsewhere) don't yet have the guns and clubs to kill and hurt Iranian people. 

It's amazing that a group of mindless and radical people on this site try to compare the truth with the injustices of the present government in Iran. Or maybe its not due to being mindless and it is by design. Who knows?

Now THAT is sickening! 

Long live Iran, free of religious rule. 

 


Zulfiqar110

Islam, Islamicate & Islamism: for Sasan

by Zulfiqar110 on

Dear Sasan,

Whatever stock you put in or don't put in to the fact that personages such as Avicenna, Rumi, Hafiz, and a plethora of other significant Muslim figures of history, were or were not really Muslims is beside the point - not to mention irrelevent and a fallacy of reasoning.

It would help if we had genuine historians and social scientists amongst us here who could distinguish a whole range of different conceptual categories and concepts which the naysayers are all lumping together, since most of the arguments being presented here are completely ahistorical in an emotionally charged negative sort of way. Firstly, the erroneous assumption being made here is that a given religious civilization is a contiguous, monolithic and internally coherent static essence that exhibits no fluid evolvement or development whatsoever. It is interesting that such an argument is the flip-side of the coin of the same argument being made by Islamists themselves about the civilization of Islam, i.e. that a pristine, contiguous Islamic holon exists as some Platonic Ideal Form that has been corrupted and which they, the Islamists, embody.

Now no religious civilization in history has ever existed in a state of undeveloped stasis from its inception to the present. If one were to take the idea of a given civilization as a monad then this monad is in a constant state of internal development and flux in each moment whereby where it exists now and what it is, is no way indicative of its initial structural integrity. This has been the case with every civilization, secular or otherwise. Indeed there are coherent, paradigmatic constants to the monad, but since the monad is not stationary, it can be argued that such internal paradigms evolve with it.

That said, there is the religion of Islam as a basic archetype of Islamicity, if you would, with all this entails (which we don't need to go into here since we all know what we are referring to), and then there is 'Islamicate' (a term coined by U. Chicago historian Marshall Hodgson). Islamicate refers not directly to the religion, Islam, itself, but to the social and cultural complex or matrix historically associated with Islam and the Muslims, both among Muslims themselves and even when found among non-Muslims.”(Venture of Islam, v. 1, p. 59)

Everything under the sun that occured from the 620s of the CE (common era) to the present in southwest Eurasia (and a few places elsewhere) falls under this Islamicate rubric. That means all the art, architecture, literature, science, philosophy and what have you - especially before the modern period - is concretely and conceptually identifiable within the Islamicate orbit and not with any other. Now it is true that within Islamicate not all such advances and developments were achieved by Muslims. But it is false to then extrapolate that such advances and developments were not accomplished by Muslims, since the predominance of Islamicate is by a Muslim one.

That said, Islamicate is a largely hybrid civilization, having borrowed and integrated from a vast range of sources, and in its Persian form it is more especially so. Iranian Islam is largely a creature of 1) post-Sassanian Zoroastrian and 2) the Greco-Hellenistic syncretistic cultures of late antiquity 3) with the Abrahamic creed of Islam superimposed. So in essence in Iranian Islam we are integrally moving within the orbit of three cultures (not one) fused into a unique product.

Given this, the argument that then presents individuals such as Avicenna, Rumi and similar as being Muslim in appearance only while inwardly dissimulating and secretly holding to something else flies in the face of all evidence and is a counter-intuitive fallacy. These people were indeed Muslims and even emphatically stated so themselves. The problem here is that a specific, and very limited, notion of Islam and Muslims is being constructed and then projected as an "essential constant" at all periods of history while involving all adherents and participants equally alike. Any historian and social scientist worth their salt will disembowl such an argument presented because it is patently false.

Now, that the very modern phenomenon of Islamism occurs within an Islamicate or Islamic matrix does not necessarily denote its being representative of the entire venture of Islam, or being the essential archetype of an Islamicity, if you would. Islamism, or Khomeinism in the case of Iran, is a very specific historical development within a very limited historical context - and specifically within a very recent one. As such to say Khomeini and Khomeinism are somehow the ultimate embodiment of the Islamic or Islamicate archetype is a bold, and very methodologically myopic and narrow minded, position to hold. From the point of view of logic it is a conclusion based on faulty and narrow, inconsistent premises putting the validity and veracity of the whole proposition into doubt.

And this is precisely the sort of a-theoretical and undigested conceptual mish mash of false misrepresentations being propounded by the likes of Mr Fateh and, to lesser degree, the rest of you here.

Khomeinism might be the face of a specific manifestation of Islamism as a rationalized (in the Weberian sense) political and modernist ideological enterprise in history. But it is certainly not the whole of Islamicate.

Returning to Avicenna, let me throw the ball back in your court and ask on what concrete bases (theoretical and factual) do you assert he wasn't really a Muslim? Give me facts and coherent argument and not what a certain trendy Tehrangeles Iranian exile groupthink trend tells you to 'feel' about it.

Thanks.


Sassan

Kaveh Parsa

by Sassan on

That was a great quote. Hopefully, people like Anonym will wake up one day and stop attributing all the monumental achievements of Iranians in the last 1,300 years to Islam!

It's so silly!

Interesting, but I NEVER hear Westerners EVER say that their greatest achievments were accomplished under the banner of Christianity! It's absurd!!! -- and those in the know understand why so many ignorant Persians still adhere to this absurdity -- it's because they, too, are insecure about this bedouin belief system, they, too, have their doubts about the legitimacy of this religion, and so, this baloney about Iran's greatest achievements during the age of Islam is the only card they can play.

After all, the idea of Islam has been solidyfied in their brains since childhood and it's hard for them to believe that all these years they've been worshipping a false God, a false religion, a bedouin belief system, which has been institutionalized in our country thanks to the Arabian Trojan Horse, the Quran.

Iranians accomplished those achievements in the last 1,400 years -- and they would've accomplished them no matter what religion was practiced in Iran! Before Alexander the Great, who was Aristotle's student, conquered Persepolis and translated thousands of Iranian books into Greek and sent them to Greece and burned the Persian ones, we had a world of scientific knowledge and accomplishments in Iran -- a 1,000 years BEFORE the invasion of Islam!

More than anything, it's very difficult for me to believe that God (the merciful) would endorse men who would resolve their disputes with massive violence, which is exactly what Muhammad, Ali and Hussein did in their time! How could God sanction such bloodlust?! How could the same God give birth to a pacifist like Jesus, then sanction the sort of violence committed by Islam's prophets in the name of "surrender to Allah?"

 


Kaveh V

More infantile Islamist exaggerations……

by Kaveh V on

"Iran has produced its greatest achievements during the last 1300 years. Achievements in the fields of physics, astronomy, mathematics, chemistry, physiology, medicine, art, architecture, poetry, philosophy and much, much more during this era and all of it was due the greatness of its Islamic Civilization……."

Here is another leap of faith, or another Islamist grandiose claim. All of this (exaggerated) greatness because of the great Islamic civilization ? Right ? Or, despite Islam and lack of nurturing civilization !!?

Is this the same Islamic civilization that brought us Islamic republic in '79, the great Islamist Khomeini and his expert entourage like Khalkhali and the ensuing blood fest ?

You shameless complex-ridden bunch are sickening!


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Quote from Zakariya Razi

by Kaveh Parsa on

on the need for prophets: 

"On what ground do you deem it necessary that God should single out certain individuals [by giving them prophecy], that he should set them up above other people, that he should appoint them to be the people's guides, and make people dependent upon them?"


Anonym

The point has been made.

by Anonym on

Iran has produced its greatest achievements during the last 1300 years. Achievements in the fields of physics, astronomy, mathematics, chemistry, physiology, medicine, art, architecture, poetry, philosophy and much, much more during this era and all of it was due the greatness of its Islamic Civilization and Persian know how.

If someone can not be proud to be Iranian just because some of the greatest minds in human history were Muslim Iranians (Persians), then the point has been made.

Thanks to those who wrote in support of Iran, Iranian patriotism and the great religion of Islam.

Thanks Zulfigar110 for the information on Avicenna.

Long live Iran, free of religious rule, and all Iranians and all other good people too.


Kaveh V

Blind comments by blind people

by Kaveh V on

....."But I am sorry to see this blind hatred for Islam."

Another preposterous claim by a self proclaimed non-muslim. If you are truly a non-muslim, then you should learn some history and the Quran before making such absurd comments. In case you have been in a coma for the last 30 years, you should know the depth of barbarity of the Islamic rule in your homeland by the highest order of the Islamic scholars. Never mind the full history of this 1400 year holocaust that has befallen a portion of the human race, just search for the past 30 years of Islamic rule in Iran. Check out the imposition of the Sharia law, the absurd religious instructions about punishment, torture and death for any deviation from the true path of this criminal cult. Read their hate manual, Quran, that teaches you how to punish torture and kill from the closest of your kin to nonbeliever Kafirs. To enslave their kin, rape their women and plunder their wealth and KILL and then KILL some more.

Go and find out what they did (and still do) to incarcerated men and women. How they (still do) rape virgins before slaughtering them as kafirs so they will not end up in "heaven".  Go find out how you become eligible to receive stoning as punishment. Find out how the incarcerated and self proclaimed non-muslims were shot and hanged in the 80's, just for being non-believers. Go read, find and experience the joy called Islam before making these absurd comments because the HATE against this cult is not blind! It is well earned by their devotees and followers. Even the filthy name ISLAM; meaning to give up and surrender is an insult to human spirit and dignity.


ThePope

Captain jaan

by ThePope on

Ensaan 'rooh' ast, na 'jesm'...!!!

Yes, you're right! It is (kind of) debatable...
That's why I won't get into it too much; except that the Koran also considers Jesus as the Messiah, so Muslims too are believers in Messiah since they too believe that Jesus is 'alive' in 'Heaven' and He will 'return'...
(see sureh Omraan)

BTW, Muslims also believe that the "other guy" (as you call him :o) will come 'alongside' (or just before!) Jesus...

 

 

p.s.  Faramarz jaan, sorry if my comment is irrelevant with the subject of your blog. As they say: maar az pooneh badesh mee'aad; dar-e loonash sabz meesheh;-)

 


che khabar e

It always seems to get lost

by che khabar e on

It always seems to get lost in the shuffle but I got to say it one more time.  I like FF and a lot of things he says.  But I don't like or support this idea or suggestion about Islam (as a religion compared to a regime).  I'm not muslim so don't go off on me.  I'm just saying that it is WRONG to use these words of hate about Islam as a religion.  Should the name be (Islamic free) Republic of Iran?  100%!!!!!  But I am sorry to see this blind hatred for Islam.


capt_ayhab

Ostaad Jan

by capt_ayhab on

There is another proverb which says: More IGNORANT they are, louder they shout. Just like a laate chaleh meydoon[Ay nafas keshhhh]  ;-)

cheers

-YT 


capt_ayhab

Dear The Pope

by capt_ayhab on

Well That is debatable, unfortunately Jesus, who perhaps is one of the greatest of all men, has been elevated to something other than man.

Yes there are believers in Messiah, however I am not one of those, and even those verses you pointed out I think[not being an scholar] are being taken too literally. Qur'an does not teach him being alive literally, rather in spirit. It is a physical impossibility wouldn't you say so? In the same manner that creationism is an impossibility. But that is totally different debate.

Same goes for the other guy, called imam zaman. This one is more like old woman's tale[due respect to ladies].

 

-YT 


Sassan

Zulfiqar110

by Sassan on

I wouldn't put much stock (none, in fact!) in any quotes by Avicenna or Rumi or any ancient Iranian scholar living under the tyranny of Islam. A lot of these men of science and higher learning were under tremendous pressure, forced to pay homage to Islam and Islamic heros in order to continue their learnings and teachings!

In fact, most scholars spoke in loghatah-e-kileedee, because if they spoke exactly as they felt in their hearts, they would have their heads cut off!

It's just today -- why does EVERY diplomatic official in the UN from the IRI is named "Muhammad." For example, whether your name is Javad Zarif, or whatever, you're forced to be introduced as Muhammad Javad Zarif. Imagine what it was like 1,000 years ago! I wouldn't believe ANY quotes attritbuted to ANY Iranian scholar living under the tyranny of Islam and fanatic muslims -- it was all either forced at the point of the knife or forced for the sake of pursuing one's passions!

Just imagine yourself a literary scholar during the early 1980's, when that evil terrorist, mullah Khomeini, ruled Iran with an iron fist -- if you wanted to continue your pursuits as a scholar, you too, would be forced to pay homage to Islamic prophets in order to continue your profession! And how would you feel, if in a thousand years from now, someone presented your quote from the early 1980's, as evidence of your approval of Khomeini's dictatorship?


Kaveh V

Stench of criminal Islam

by Kaveh V on

 

These devotees of the genocidal-criminal cult of Islam most closely resemble a gang of criminals who have made a habit of breaking into neighborhood homes, murdering and brutalizing the inhabitants and their family members. Now, that many are caught "in action" after 30 years of murder and mayhem at one of the larger houses in the neighborhood, Iran, and are about to receive a well deserved beating from the household, they are crying foul. They are cornered and are calling everyone "racist" and "hateful", with a blind eye toward the teachings of their glorious criminal cult that taught us the real HATE, RACISM and so much more. What an absurd and obnoxious bunch, I'd say let them have it ! These devotees of the genocidal-criminal cult of Islam have earned it.

 


ThePope

Capt_Ayhab

by ThePope on

Why "PBUH"?!!   Even the Koran teaches that Jesus is alive (in sureh Nesaa, sureh Maryam, and more ....)

Also, Jesus abolished the Old Testament's "An eye for an eye"...


Ostaad

Faramarz-Fateh, you need to work much harder, if...

by Ostaad on

you mean what you post, "...the only thing I can ever be proud of is being a decent human being who
has contributed to the well being of humanity is a meaningful way".  So far all you've said, let alone what you've done, falls short of the minimum requirement to be considered a descent human being. A descent human being does not go around insulting other people's religion with a bunch of crap.

The first step to decency is having respect for other peoples' religions and beliefs.

Your fascination with the word "evil" gives credence to that American proverb that says, you have to be one to know one.

You just need to work a lot harder, homie. 

 


capt_ayhab

Pure Hateful propaganda

by capt_ayhab on

Pure hateful propaganda disguised, once again, under the cloak of patriotism.

One gentleman states[At least the Christians have a peace-loving pacifist in Jesus, who told his followers to "turn the other cheek," even though Christians don't always follow his preachings. Nonetheless, the precedence for pacifism is there for the finding within the confines of Christianity, at least in the New Testament]

No doubt Jesus[PBUH] was one of greatest men ever walked the face of the earth, in whose teachings every Muslim is a true believer. However the commentator conveniently ignores verses like[AN EYE FOR AN EYE] ! How convenient!!!

Analogy is being made between Hitler and Muslims. Unless Hitler was a secret Muslim in hiding the statement simply proves to be a hog wash. Not to mention the fact that most every single war in recent history of man kind was brought upon humanity by so called pacifist peace loving Christians. Namely WWI, WWII, and future WWIII.

Or when author making statement such as [ Islam-o-filth?], which ever so shamelessly and ignorantly repeated and condoned by some other commentators, only represents blind hatred of this racist gang toward Muslims. The only thing that needs to be eradicated is ugly racism such as these, where there are no tolerance, among this group, for their entire racist beings are filled by hate and pure hate only.

Most nauseating of any hypocritical statement ever can be uttered by a racist thugs are those like the ones Mr. Fateh makes[Fristly, the only thing I can ever be proud of is being a decent human being who has contributed to the well being of humanity is a meaningful
way.
]

Mr. Fateh, when you use such hatred and ugliness in your writing toward a group of people, uttering the words such as [Decent human being] just makes any true decent human sick to their stomach sir. Your best option in pursuing your agenda is to align with your own kind, namely Neo Nazi and KKK. 

Your writing has nothing to do with your ALLEGED love of Iran, It only demonstrates your deep resentment and hatred of Muslims. Becasue sir, no one with so much hate can ever love anyone but himself.

Regards

-YT 


Zulfiqar110

Avicenna (Ibn Sina)

by Zulfiqar110 on

Dear Anonymous,

Just note that the handle Faramarz Fateh is one belonging to a Baha'i apologist. If you ask these people whether they support a completely secular Iran (meaning secularized of all religious ideologies and organization, including their own) they go quiet very quickly, especially since the anti-Islamic song and dance of these sly Baha'i ideologues here is not so much about ridding Iran altogether of the influence of religion from politics and society. They are fundamentally interested in supplanting Islam with their own obnoxious Baha'i brand of theofascism. Please be aware of this smokescreen and wool being pulled over eyes here. Also note that most probably whoever this Faramarz Fateh is probably hasn't been to Iran since the 1970s and so is generally unaware of the social psychology of Iranians today. He/she extrapolates from their own Westoxicated Tehrangeles Baha'i perspective and thinks the reality of the world revolves around such delusions. Nuance, ambiguity, detail, let alone the long and complicated history of Persian Islamicate civilization, simply does not compute with such people. It is probable that such a person has never even read a single book on the history of Iran - or a book for that matter. 

Now on the question of Avicenna's beliefs: he was a dyed in the wool Muslim and his family were Isma'ili Shi'i converts. But like most Iranian Muslim polymaths and philosophers of his time, he was an eclectic Muslim - just as was Hafiz, Suhrawardi, Mowlana Rumi, Mulla Sadra and the tens of hundreds other significant names that can be furnished. For those who doubt this fact, I'll quote directly from the exordium (tasbihat) of Avicenna's extraordinary and beautiful Treatise of the Living Son of the Watchful (Risaleh-ye Hayy ibn Yaqzan):

In the Name of God the Compassionate, the Merciful!

Glory and praise to the sovereign God of the universe, creator and maintainer of earth and heaven - He who causes the revolution and progression of the stars whose course is fixed by eternal Decree and Destiny. May His blessing be upon the best and most eminent of the prophets, Muhammad the Elect, on the Members of His House and his friends, the Elect, the Pure.

Trans. Willard Trask in Henry Corbin AVICENNA AND THE VISIONARY RECITAL, Princeton, 1988, p. 281.

These above are the words of the master himself. The exordiums of the Kitab-i-Shifa', Isharat va Tanbihat, Qanun fi Tibb, Danesh Nameh-ye Ala'i, etc., likewise testify to his specifc religious beliefs.

Now these anti-Islamic pseudo-Iranian, crypto-Bahais in the shallowness of their occidental exile (ghorbat-i-gharbiye) think they can forget and erase 1,400 years of history and its literary and scientific legacy with a simple wave of a hand. This is the mirror image of the same sort of Stalinist-Fascism of the mullahs when trying to systematically deny the Iranian pre-Islamic facets of Iranian Islamic culture in the early 1980s.

That said, what needs to happen in the general consciousness of those Iranians in exile as well as inside Iran who want to at least come to terms with the reality and cultural historicality of Islamic Iran, instead of emotionally denying it altogether, is to ponder deeply the following insight of Henry Corbin:

One cannot free oneself from the past without freeing that past itself; but to free it is to give it a future again, to make it significant. To deny it outright, or to cling to it blindly, are two contrary procedures that nevertheless arrive at the same end. Everything remains as it was, in the former case as in the latter: one has been unable to realize what no longer "signified" and [is] signified still. But one transcends only by adopting; what one rejects outright or what one refuses to see remains as it is, not integrated into consciousness, a source of the most formidable psychoses.

Ibid., p.11.

These deniers and unknowing and unknowlegable revisionists and sectarian propagandists would do well to heed what Professor Corbin has stated above.  

I also recommend the following book on Avicenna,

//www.amazon.com/Avicenna-Lenn-E-Goodman/dp/0801472547

Review

Goodman's splendid new book should be welcomed by all historians of philosophy as the best detailed introduction to the thought of the eminent Islamic philosopher Avicenna . . . . Especially fine is Goodman's lucid account of Avicenna's synthesis of the metaphysics of necessity and of contingency.
Choice


Sassan

Kaveh V and Faramarz

by Sassan on

You both hit the perverbial nail squarely on the head! Islam is our national cancer -- 100%! And I, too, am sick of all these Islamic apologists who promulgate the idea that Iran experienced its greatest scientific achievements during the Islamic era -- bullshit! Iran achieved all those scientific accomplishments IN SPITE of Islam! When the Arabs invaded Iran, they burned thousands of Persian books (of medicine, astronomy, astrology, poetry, etc.), and periodically, muslim extremists would burn thousands more throughout the muslim world.  Even Rumi was persecuted by the terrorists of his day and he ended up dying in modern-day Turkey!

And to think that these Islamic baffoons actually think of pre-Islamic Iran as an age of ignorance! Who knows what scientific marvels were in those Persian books of Zoroastrian era, which were burned by the thousands by Arab invaders.

As if there's somehting uniquely pro-scientific in the Quran that would naturally lead to scientific achievements!!!!! People, wake the f**k up! Wake up from your 1,400 year dreams of behesht and "Imam" Hussein, whose claim to fame is warring with his enemies!

What an example!

At least the Christians have a peace-loving pacifist in Jesus, who told his followers to "turn the other cheek," even though Christians don't always follow his preachings. Nonetheless, the precedence for pacifism is there for the finding within the confines of Christianity, at least in the New Testament! 

What kind of examples do we have in the brotherly world of Islam? Let's see... Muhammad and Ali, who beheaded 700 Jews. Muhammad who had 12 wives, one of them as young as 8-and-a-half years old. Imam Hussein, the swordsman, who went to battle against his enemy and got slaughtered to death. Perhaps there's a reason why there's no "Islamic Ghandi" -- that's because the forefathers of Islam were no pacifists.  Their unashamed motto, unabated by any Jesus-types or Islamic Reformation, is straight out of the Abrahamian (read: semetic) credo of vengeance: "an eye for an eye."  

Yes, sadly, Islam has had its run in our noble land, and we have suffered mightily because of it.  But soon, Iran will be free of Islamic influence -- that's a fact! We're already headed in that direction. We Iranians love to laugh, dance, rejoice, drink alcohol -- live and enjoy life to its fullest!  In short, we love life, symbolized eternally in Norouz. Islam celebrates death and martyrdom, symbolized in the Quran.

As such, we are culturally predisposed to reject Islam. However, because of irrational fear -- fear of being turned into a piece of stone by Allah, we pray and adhere to this bedouin dogma to this very day!  But the end of darkness in upon us, getting closer with each passing day! And on that fine day, Iran will once again assume its rightful place amongst the civilized nations of the world.

Freedom is indeed on the horizon!

 


Faramarz_Fateh

Poster Anonym

by Faramarz_Fateh on

Thank you for letting me know what and how I should and should not write.  Memories of 5th grade revisited.

Fristly, the only thing I can ever be proud of is being a decent human being who has contributed to the well being of humanity is a meaningful way.  Being proud to be Iranian, American, Japanese etc is stupid.

Secondly, EVIL must be exposed and confronted.  Hitler was evil.  Would you say it would have been better to be polite with him and hold civil discourse?

Current government of Iran, 99.9% of ALL Mullahs belonging to any of the sects of Islam are evil.  Evil needs to be eradicated.  Out dated and hugely modified teachings of Islam has cause it to be a source of evil.  The exac.t same thing the Christianityhad become until late 18th century

Thank God for Europe and America; instrumemts for keeping Christianity in check were devised in these 2 continents.

Lastly, Abu Sina and Razi were Iranians last I checked.  What does that have to do with Islam.  Einstein was Jewsih.  But he is always regarded as a German scientist. Same goes for Olympian athelits.

Do you hear people calling Michael Phelps as a Jewish or Christian swimmer or an American swimmer.

Sorry Charlie....what you say don't fly with me.


Anonym

Mr. Faramarz_Fateh

by Anonym on

I found your posting confusing. You say some rational and irrational things all at the same time.

The good things you say: "no more men with beards and no ties who can't talk worth of crap on TV.  No more Ashoora, Tasooa, zarbat-e hazrate Ali ........ 71 days of soogvari each year......no more control of who can watch what on TV ....... no more hejab for women, no more 2nd class citizens in Iran.... no more rule of uneducated Islamomafia geda zadeh oghdeyee mob ...... no more reshveh to hold a wedding ..... no more basiji ..... " AGREED!

Ugly: "...are you listening JalehO and the rest of Islam-o-filth? "

These names sound like other voices on this site that you don't like. Well you should respect other people even though their opinion is very different from you. It's just not good to call people 'filth', even if you think that they are.

Wrong: "People of Iran ... want an Iran, free of Islam"

Should say "... free of religious rule"

Wrong: " People of Iran want  ... no more "be nameh khoda" ...

They do! Iranians are a God loving and God fearing people.

Wrong: "For over 13 centuries Islam has been the main source of "bad bakhti" for the country of Iran and Iranians .... Can you think of 1 good thing that Islam has brought for Iran and Iranian?  Just one? "

I can think of many. Here are just a very few examples:

* Abū Bakr Muhammad ibn Zakariyā Rāzī, known as Rhazes or Rasis after medieval Latinists, (August 26 865, Rayy— 925, Rayy) was a Persian[2][3] alchemist, chemist, physician, philosopher and scholar. He is recognised as a polymath[4] and often referred as "probably the greatest and most original of all the Muslim physicians, and one of the most prolific as an author"[5].
* Abū ‘Alī al-Ḥusayn ibn ‘Abd Allāh ibn Sīnā', known as Abū Alī Sīnā[2][3]  Ibn Sīnā[4],  and commonly known in English by his Latinized name Avicenna  (c. 980 - 1037) was a Persian[6] polymath and the foremost[7] physician and philosopher of his time. He was also an astronomer, chemist, geologist, logician, paleontologist, mathematician, physicist, poet, psychologist, scientist and teacher. [8]* Abū al-ʿAbbās Aḥmad ibn Muḥammad ibn Kathīr al-Farghānī also known as Alfraganus in the West was a Persian[1][2] Muslim astronomer and one of the famous astronomers in 9th century.
* Abū’l-‘Abbās al-Faḍl ibn Ḥātim al-Nairīzī , was a 9th-10th century Persian mathematician and astronomer from Nayriz, a town near Shiraz, Fars, Iran.
* Abu Hamid Ahmed ibn Mohammed al-Saghani al-Asturlabi (meaning the astrolabe maker of Saghan, near Merv) was a Persian astronomer and historian of science. He flourished in Baghdad, where he died in 990 AD.
* Abu Nasr Mansur ibn Ali ibn Iraq (c. 960 - 1036) was a was a Persian [1] Muslim mathematician.[2] He is well known for discovering the sine law.
* Abū Sahl Wayjan ibn Rustam al-Qūhī (sometimes al-Kūhī), was a Persian [1] mathematician, physicist and astronomer. Quhi was from Kuh (or Quh), an area in Tabaristan, and flourished in Baghdad in the 10th century. He is considered one of the greatest Muslim geometers.
* Abul Wafa Buzjani (10 June 940 – 1 July 998)[1]  extended name: Abū al-Wafāʾ Muḥammad ibn Muḥammad ibn Yaḥyā ibn Ismāʿīl ibn al-ʿAbbās al-Būzjānī  was a Persian mathematician and astronomer. He was born in Buzhgan, (now Torbat-e Jam) in Iran.
* Abū Rayḥān Muḥammad ibn Aḥmad Bīrūnī , often known as Alberuni, Al Beruni or variants, (born 5 September 973 in Kath, Khwarezm (now in Uzbekistan), died 13 December 1048 in Ghazni, today's Afghanistan) was a Persian[1][2][3] polymath[4] scholar of the 11th century.
* Omar Khayyam , (born 1048 AD, Neyshapur, Iran—1123 AD, Neyshapur, Iran), was a Persian polymath,[1] mathematician, philosopher, astronomer and poet.

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Remember that Islam is a religion, is not a Savings account or Investment account that should 'bring' something for Iranians, but at least I hope that these Persian Muslim Scientists who lived during Islamic Iran and whose work has been used by the West today to build their great industry and scientific knowledge base, should make you a proud Iranian. 

 


Kaveh V

Will happen in stages

by Kaveh V on

 

Right now, a broad coalition is needed to overcome the most extremist Islamists in power. This coalition also include many regime insiders and "milder" Islamist, or closet Islamist types. Once the current Islamist clique is toppled, the coalition will break into several political factions and parties, many with absolutely opposing views, i.e. the closet Islamists vs. anti-Islam, or anti-Islam nationalists.  

What is important is that the political and social climate is ready for planting an "anti-Islam" institution that can take hold after this murderous-Islamic bunch are gone. Another important distinction is that the "anti-Islam" institution should not be a political entity, but rather a social, cultural and historical institution dedicated to revealing the extent of Islamic barbarity and its far reaching cultural and social penetration into Iranian psyche from 7th century A.D and onward. Ultimately, the goal is eradication of this barbarity known as Islam.