MORAL DILEMMA? Obama & Cameron suggest “peaceful” transition in Syria instead of revolution

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MORAL DILEMMA? Obama & Cameron suggest “peaceful” transition in Syria instead of revolution
by Darius Kadivar
14-Mar-2012
 

David Cameron has said he wants to see peaceful transition of power in Syria, rather than revolution, ahead of talks with US President Barack Obama. ( See Related News)

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David Cameron and Barack Obama enjoy 'fast and furious' basketball game in Ohio:

  

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IN THE MEANTIME IN SYRIA

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CNN's Arwa Damon reports on torture captured on video carried out allegedly by Syrian soldiers : Here

 

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EASIER SAID THAN DONE:

 

RISKS AND OPTIONS FOR A MILITARY INTERVENTION

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Analysis: Options for military intervention in Syria By Jonathan Marcus

 

Since the outset of the Syria crisis in March 2011 there has been little appetite for outside military intervention. This has been based on two assessments.

Firstly, that the situation on the ground in Syria is in many ways very different from that in Libya - the opposition is much more divided, the government's security forces are much stronger, and Syria's air defences are more effective.

Secondly, there has been a view that the implications of toppling President Bashar al-Assad could prompt a much wider wave of instability in the region.

Unlike Libya, Syria - both politically and geographically - is a central player in the Arab world, and sectarianism and instability there could threaten both Lebanon and Iraq.

Then, of course, there is the fundamental legal problem. Constrained by Russian and Chinese vetoes at the UN Security Council, there is no possibility of getting a resolution to authorise force.

That has not always mattered in the past. Nato troops went into Kosovo, after all, to halt systematic abuses by Serbian forces.

But the absence of legal authorisation certainly precludes action when there is little enthusiasm for it in the first place.

So what are we to make of calls from senior Republican politicians in the US, like Senator John McCain, urging air strikes against Syrian security forces?

Joshua Landis, director of the Centre for Middle East Studies at the University of Oklahoma, says: "Despite the growing chorus of politicians calling for US leadership in Syria, the Obama administration is adamant that Washington should not take the lead, but follow regional partners, Saudi Arabia and Turkey."

 

Mr Landis argues that the simple fact is that the Obama administration sees no strong reason to intervene.

"US officials are unanimous in arguing that the Assad regime is doomed and can only hang on for a limited time, with or without increased US support for the Syrian opposition. I think they are right in this analysis."

"This means that the US has no compelling national security interest in jumping into the Syrian civil war that is emerging. The regime's days are numbered."

Much of the debate on outside intervention is vague. It confuses and makes false distinctions between the different options and to a large extent glosses over many of the fundamental problems facing them all.

Assistance and relief

The main thrust of any external action would be essentially humanitarian in nature, a response to the growing plight of civilians in Syrian towns and cities who are under bombardment by government forces.

Efforts could also be made to bring assistance to displaced refugees who have moved towards Syria's frontiers with Turkey and Lebanon. Three related measures are being discussed.

Humanitarian corridors

Suggested first by the French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe last year, the idea would be to establish short corridors into Syrian territory through which humanitarian supplies could be delivered.

Safe zones

The establishment of safe areas within Syrian territory is an idea that has been broached by the Turkish Foreign Minister, Ahmet Davutoglu. Such safe havens would be in border areas, acting as a place of safety where refugees could gather, be fed and sheltered, and so on.




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Any soul in charge will pay for this....

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Any foreign county that has been adding fuel to this fire.  

Any country that has started the fire.

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Rea Jan no I don't believe Libya is a mess nor do I believe we were wrong to intervene to help oust Gaddafi but I do believe that Obama's hesitation, lack of vision and intellectual arrogance (after encouraging local regimes to democratize during his historic speech in Cairo only to remain idle once the people's upheavel across the region demanded his support and guidance) is largely responsible for turning the Arab Spring into a long Winter of discontent and disillusion ...

 

That There are problems today in Libya yes but that is only natural in a post war era but it is not as chaotic as meets the eye despite the regular sporadic clashes across the country (Berbers in the West, and South and Federalists in the East in Benghazi).

The situation is not at all comparable to let's say Afghanistan or Iraq.

Does that mean that the country is a 'Jefforsonian democracy' barely a year after the toppling of Gaddafi ? Or that the population at large has the same political culture or aspirations as we do in the West ?

 

The answer on both grounds is No it ain't.

 

But that is not the point !

 

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I fully understand your reserves and skepticism based on a first hand and bitter experience of civil war in former Yougoslavia.

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I don't think I have ever suggested that in my blogs or alerts.

 

The truth is no one knows.

 

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Cause these naive "experts" and "Anti West" demagogues are actually far more responsbile for the bloody turn of events across the Arab World (as they were when they failed to predict the bloody crackdown which followed the elections in Iran in 2009) than any arms dealer or local dictator because they have actually been partners in the crimes which have unfolded just like Nevil Chamberlain was when he claimed to defend "Peace".

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My Humble but Blunt Opinion,

 

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The opposition is divided, and many of its fighters on the ground have been crushed by a ruthless crackdown. It is under pressure to accept the peace plan of Kofi Annan. The rebels know that in any talks, the balance of power will be heavily against them.

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