Paul Octopus: Mousavi or Khamenei?


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07/12/2010 - 05:35

khaleh mosheh

چنین است رسم سرای درشت

khaleh mosheh

hamsadeh ghadimi-  they do say the more things change the more they stay the same. But I am sure IRI will be uprooted. Tyranny of this magnitude will ultimately fail.  



hamsade ghadimi

khaleh moosheh, i was

by hamsade ghadimi on

khaleh moosheh, i was thinking on the same line.  the octopus looks like something that belonged to the previous supreme leader... now serving as an amameh for mousavi. 

khaleh mosheh

Does not

by khaleh mosheh on

th octapus's profile look very similar to our beloved supreme leader?

Red Wine

سوره اختاپوس - آیات یک تا نوزده

Red Wine

و تو چه دانی که "پُل" چیست؟(1) بخوان ای رسول ما داستان آن جام جهانی را(2) پس ما "پل" را اعجازی از برای آنان قرار دادیم(3) آنگاه که رسول ما به آنان گفت که این نشانه ای از سوی خداست(4) برای آنان که فوتبال دوست دارند(5) همگی به پاهای این هشت پا که حبل الهی است تمسک جویید و از او پیروی کنید(6) باشد که رستگار شوید(7) پس آن قوم عناد ورزیدند و آیت خدا را تکذیب کردند(8) و پیش بینی های وی را دروغ پنداشتند(9) گفتند که پدران ما طرفدار آلمان بوده اند، چگونه از ما می خواهی که اسپانیا را قهرمان این جام بدانیم(10) پس خدا آنها را ضایع کرد(11) و حقیقت فوتبال را بر آنان نازل نمود (که) خدا ضایع کننده ترین ضایع کنندگان است (12) اما نور فوتبال بر سیاهی دلهاشان اثر نبخشید(13) و رسول خدا و نشانه ما را تکذیب کردند(14) گفتند تو و این اختاپوس ساحرانی توانا هستید(15) و اسپانیا شانسی قهرمان شد(16) (ما) بر چشم (هوش) و دلهاشان پرده ها افکندیم (آنها) تیکی تاکا را دیدند اما ایمان نیاوردند(17) همانا آنها چون اختاپوس هستند بلکه از آن هم کمترند(18) و در این نشانه هاست برای آنان که تفکر می کنند(19)


This Octopus is Committing Shirk!

by IranFirst on

After 30 years (or so) under the magnificent IRI, we should remember that shirk is not allowed and only Allah-e taala know the future.

Not only is the practice of astrology Haraam, but also visiting an
astrologist and listening to his predictions, buying books on astrology
or reading ones horoscope are also forbidden! Since astrology is mainly
used for predicting the future, those who practice it are considered
fortune-tellers. Consequently, one who seeks his horoscope comes under
the ruling contained in the Prophets statement: "The Salaah (daily
prayer) of whoever approaches a fortune-teller and asks him about
anything will not be accepted for forty days and nights." [Reported by
Hafsah and collected by Muslim (Sahih Muslim (English Trans.), vol. 4,
p. 1211, no. 5440).]

The punishment in this Hadeeth is simply for approaching and asking the
astrologist, even if one is in doubt about the truth of his statements.
If one is in doubt about the truth or falsehood of astrological
information, he is in doubt about whether or not others know the unseen
and the future besides Allaah. This is a form of Shirk because Allaah
has clearly stated:

"With Him are the keys to the unseen and none knows it except Him" [Soorah al-An`aa,m 6:59]

"Say: None in the heavens or earth knows the unseen except Allaah." [Soorah an-Naml 27:65]

If, however, one believes in the predictions of their horoscope,
whether spoken by an astrologist or written in books of astrology, he
falls directly into Kufr (disbelief) as stated by the Prophet
(sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam) "Whoever approaches an oracle or
fortune-teller and believes in what he says, has disbelieved in what
was revealed to Muhammad." [Reported by Abu Hurayrah and collected by
Ahmad and Abu Daawood (Sunan Abu Dawud (English Trans.), vol. 3, p.
1095, no. 3895).]

Like the previous Hadeeth, this Hadeeth literally refers to the
fortune-teller but it is just as applicable to the astrologist. Both
claim knowledge of the future. The astrologists claim is just as
opposed to Tawheed as the ordinary fortune-teller. He claims that
peoples personalities are determined by the stars, and their future
actions and the events of their lives are written in the stars. The
ordinary fortune-teller claims that the formation of tea leaves at the
bottom of a cup, or lines in a palm tell him the same thing. In both
cases individuals claim the ability to read in the physical formation
of created objects knowledge of the unseen.

Belief in astrology and the casting of horoscopes are in clear
opposition to the letter and spirit of Islaam. It is really the empty
soul, which has not tasted real Eemaan (belief) that seeks out these
paths. Essentially these paths, represent a vain attempt to escape
Qadar (fate). The ignorant believe that if they know what is in store
for them tomorrow, they can prepare from today. In that way they may
avoid the bad and ensure the good. Yet, Allaahs messenger was told by
Allaah to say: "If I knew the unseen, I would surely have only sought
the good. But, I am only a warner and a bearer of glad tidings for
believers." [Al-Qur'an Soorah al-A`raaf 7:188]

True Muslims are therefore obliged to stay far away from these areas.
Thus, rings, chains, etc., which have the signs of the Zodiac on them
should not be worn, even if one does not believe in them. They are part
and parcel of a fabricated system which propagates Kufr and should be
done away with entirely. No believing Muslim should ask another what
his sign is, or attempt to guess his sign. Nor should he or she read
horoscope columns in newspapers or listen to them read. And, any Muslim
who allows astrological predictions to determine his actions, should
seek Allaahs forgiveness and renew his Islaam.

From a Hadith by Muslim, the Prophet (s.a.w.s.) once said:

Whoever approaches a fortune-teller, inquires him/her and acknowledges him/her, his prayers will not be accepted for forty days. A Hadith by Abu Dawood relates: Whoever approaches a fortune-teller and acknowledges him/her that person has committed kufr to revelation from Allah In another hadith :
"Whoever partakes in one part of astrology (the art of the stars), verily he has partaken in sorcery."

(Abu Dawood)





Highly opinionated

by Fred on

Just like the choices given to Paul the octopus in this posting is presumptive, your "millions" figure is one as well.

That is your opinion but the part about "millions" defending their nezam  is highly opinionated.



by benross on

Let's give them the opportunity to defend their 'nezaam' in a referendum.


That's your opinion

by Saman on

You do have a point but it's highly opinionated. Both camps have millions of supporters and in both camps there are no shortage of average Iranians who will defend their "nezam"


Flawed reasoning

by Fred on

Were those “supporters” given the free choice to choose anyone including those Islamists and they still chose them Islamists, then they would be Islamists.

But since that is not the case and the choice is limited to choosing from the Islamist stable the deductive reasoning is flawed.


Khamenei = Mousavi

by Saman on

If Khamenie/Ahmadinejad and Mousavi are both "Islamists"  ... then what does that make their supporters to be?


"islamists" and Islam

by Fred on

It seems it would be money well spent if VOA produced a program to inform the uninformed of the definition of “Islamists” which is being used by major powers as denoting a criminal political ideology having nothing to do with Islam the religion.

One could hazard a guess that overwhelming majority of Iranians who are adherents of Islam would be  happy to be distinguished from murderers of Al-Qaeda, Al-Shabaab or the local Islamist Rapists who are Islamists.

May be the Parazit guys could do the public service.

hamsade ghadimi

saman, i believe "muslims"

by hamsade ghadimi on

saman, i believe "muslims" and "islamists" are not synonymous.  islamists are those who interpret islam from a narrow definition (typically sharia law) and want everyone in their domain to live by their rules.  "muslims," on the other hand is a larger set which includes the "islamists."

while i have no beef with muslims, i'm quite intolerant with muslims who are also islmaists (see my def. above).  there should be more people like you to give pep talks to prisoners in evin: just tell the women who're being raped that "life's too short ... enjoy it."



by Saman on

This "Islamist" word is such an empty and meaningless word. There's no thought behind it whatsoever.

You and I may not believe in God or any religion but the fact is ... majority of Iranians are muslims and believe in their religion. They are "Islamists"!

You can't rid Iran of of "Islamists" ... not without committing genocide which you don't have the power to do.

So the only thing you can do is to stay out of Iran and avoid the "Islamists" ... which you already are.

Life's too short ... enjoy it. 


I wonder

by statira on

What would really be Paul the Octopus prediction on Iran? They should put Iranian people in one cube and Khameni on the other side. Mousavi is also from the pack of Islamists. He's just mad that  he doesnt have the privelage  like the Revolutionary Gaurds and hard line mullahs have to rob poeple.


Three’s Company of Octopuses

by Demo on

playing balls??? Remember  the rapid color changes of these 'mullas types' creatures with their environments. 



by benross on

German octopus was never exposed to fabricated options!