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Fair

I am impressed at your knowledge of military issues! I agree with all your points. 

Sargord

"Iran is a lot stronger a nation than when it was forced to fight an imposed war against Iraq..."

Yes, Iran was forced to fight an imposed war, but a war that was imposed by the damned Khomeini, not by Iraq or the US.

In 1982, Khomeini could have accepted the eager Saddam's peace offer along with billions in Kuwaiti and Saudi reparation money. But HE chose to continue the war until 1988 when he had to drink from his "jaame zahr".

The Iran-Iraq war was a Khomeini imposed war after 1982. Once the news of Khonmeini's rejection of Saddam's peace offer were spread among the disappointed servicemen in the front, they knew better than anybody else that this war is not about Iran anymore, but about Khomeini and the export of his ideology.

But I am not surprised that a "sargorde do zaari" like yourself is the last one to know this.

Admission of Guilt

Actually I think there may be some on this site who are a part of the ruling class of IRR. I am glad that they are admitting their guilt. Because one day soon they will be held responsible for their crimes. A basiji for his crimes of rape and killing. An IRR leader for the much greater crime of ordering the basijis to commit these crimes.

One word to the IRR and its supporters: Nuremberg.

Remember that.

Yep, they've been "running the show" for 30 yrs now

Couldn't agree more...

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhPEIyHPwmM

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKCjbGkVTrE

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Fair, please, go easy on them! Don't piss'em off too much. They're dangerous "people",,, you know;
For them it's only a matter of a loud allah-o-akbar and pulling the trigger...

"Its our belief in martyrdom and a desire to die that makes us the most dangerous country..."  -by a terrorist that is a member of this site.

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اینها که از اسلامیان طرفداری میکنند،خبر ندارند که در ارتش ایران و سپاه چقدر افراد معتاد هستند به مواد مخدر ! با اینها میخواهند جلوی ارتش امریکا و غیره بایستند ؟

عجب دل خوشی‌ دارند انانیکه بی‌ حساب از یک مشت بی‌ مغز پوشالین دفاع میکنند... به فکر اخرت باشید که به خدا بد مجازاتی در انتظار وطن فروش‌ها خواهد بود !

The desperate No Fear Nor Clue

LOL!! I can see you are really upset. If it hurts so much, you can sit down in a cold bathtub and cool off. Oh wait, first you have to take your head out of your rear so you don't drown in the process! what a dilemna, maybe you can ask Imam Zaman for help and a miracle to solve your deep deep problems.

If there is anyone who is responsible for "misery raining down on Iran, whether its sanctions, war, riots , assassinations and such", it is your beloved Islamic Fuehrer who has led Iran down this path without having any consent from the Iranian people. He has openly declared war on the people of Iran, and is the most anti Iran force in existence today. He would not exist without traitors like you cheering him on.

The fact is, you are running nothing, except the murder of your own people.

Now if instead of ranting, you actually answered my questions about the weapons you brag about and their ability to carry out actual military missions, you would have made your case better. The fact that you didn't speaks volumes.

Face it no fear, you are actually consumed by fear- fear of your own people. The only strength and weapon you have is rape and torture chambers, lead by your dear sugar daddy, the Islamic Fuehrer. None of you have a country, and you are the most anti Iran individuals on this planet. Like all dictators and their brown nosers around them, your days are numbered. In the meantime, have fun getting your nose browner and browner:)

-Fair

Better beer than Kool Aid

"We are still running the show" 

 Who are "WE" and what "SHOW" are they running?  Finally SEDAGHAT DAR KALAAM.    All doubts have been removed. 

Re: It really sickens me to see

Yes you are right.  In fact the US had a vested interest to weaken Iran's economy by making sure it spent all its money on capital intensive equipment like military hardware.  Once the Shahanshah decided he did not want to go to war with Saddam or anyone else, the US decided to get rid of him, and get someone else who buys all this useless stuff and wastes money, on the basis of some bogus perpetual ideology.  Both the mullahs and the Shah are the same in that regard. 

Ali Mostofi

//www.alimostofi.com

Re: It really sickens me to see

I share your feeling. However I think the real wealth of Iran is its people. Oil runs out while people don't. Unfortunately IRR has been squandering that too. Instead of running out they are running off.

The real tragedy is that about 10% of Iranian population. The most educated have ran off thanks to IRR. This "heaven" that IRR supporters talk about is truly hell on Earth. Iranians are scattered to the four corners of the world. Those who are not get thrown in Evin or blown up by IRR goons. 

Meanwhile IRR supporters brag about "running the show". The VF rules over the ruins of a once prosperous nation.  What a farce they made out of Islam and religion.

Re: We are still running the show.

You are running nothing. You are simply obeying your masters in IRR. If you deviate one step you will be in Evin. 

What we want is real democracy where people run the show not a dictator named VF. 

Until then you are fooling yourself it you think anyone in IRR  cares less that you think. The trick in all dictatorships is to make the masses think they run the show. While in reality the rulers get everything. You get to go and beat your ham-meehans on the head with a chomagh. I rather not be in your position as a trained dog.

Thankfully I am  not be under that delusion. You too should wake up and open your eyes to the truth.

A.O

thank you for the prayer.......

Minus the Breake down of Iran to ....30 Independent Republics. Maziar

It really sickens me to see

It really sickens me to see how much of our precious oil income went to the military weapons in the time of Shahanshah and now with the mullahs.

We in the oil business served our country better than all, and made it what it is.  Yes I boast, because it was us who saved Iran from poverty.  But we did not expect the military rulers to waste the money and put Iran in harms way.

We did not have to become a threat to any country by over arming, and not feeding our poor.  The same mistakes the Shahanshah made the mullahs are making.

I hope one day we will have a non-violent regime change and not waste our money on useless hardware. 

Ali Mostofi

//www.alimostofi.com

We are still running the show.

You may jump up and down and tore yourself apart, but the fact is, we are here and you are not. Iran will continue to advance itself militarily whether you diss it or not. To be honest, you as a runaway coward during the Iran iraq war, have very little say in how we decide to defend ourselves. get it?

I am talking to you Fair. Losers like you want to see misery rain down on Iran, whether its sanctions, war, riots , assassinations and such. These are the actions likeminded as yourself advocate and out of respect to the term garbage, you are truely an "Anti Iran Cheerleader".

Another one of your tactics is to belittle Iran in terms of scientific , military, medical and nuclear accomplishment because you can't possiblely accept or understand that these advancements could be done in the Islamic republic of Iran.  To you , progress means an american prescription of some technologies that we have to purchase from aboard just to be better than the arabs that surround us. And since we can't beat the yankees, then lets buy in to their bullying and become their bitches. It better to be an american bitch than a chinese one. Did i simplify your great political thoughts in one sentence? Holy crap... i think i just did !

I have tried to see your point of views rationally as much as i can,but i can't get my head that far up my butt. How pathetic is your below quote anyway? you said;

"Fact- the only reason the US has not attack Iran yet is they have chosen not to."

You suffer from inferiority complex.  The above statement display how deep your political thoughts are. wow...

mamadali

Iran's interest in mind?

I think you're the one smoking the good stuff abu. Anyone -- ANYONE -- who even hints at supporting the anti-nationalist clergy regime is anti Iran. ANYONE.  When you're pretending that Iran is better off today than anyitme in her history, you are supporting this cancer.

Hala hey khodetu jer bede.

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IRAN FIRST

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Payam

what's funny is that reading comments by the likes of No Fear, mamadali and sargord reminds one of the old Soviet propaganda, where they talked about glorious this and glorious that when the didn't have a pot to piss in.  

Hopefully the same thing that happened to the Soviets will happen to these knuckleheads.   

Mamdali, Patriotism, really? No but, really?

This eslamic basterds? Patriotism? The same guys who killed our most skilled commanders? The same who wanted to blow up "Takhte Jamshid"? Really?

And independent? That must explain why they try to smuggle avionics and radar equipemment from US any chance they can put their hand on.

Here is an even better one of the same AF:

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qzew_WNXyk

Standing proudly on our own feet

I am happy to see through self-reliance, focus, pride, and patriotism, the military has been transformed from the pre-revolution shell army to a real, combat hardened, self-sufficient force.   The advances made in missile/rocket technology and nuclear science are clear.  Very few countries have mastered these and Iran now is one of them.  Anyone that denies these clear facts is either smoking something or being smoked by those who don't have Iran's best interests in mind.   Javidan Iran!

Mamad Ali

IRI Strengths

Is mostly:

• Khar kardaneh mardom.
• Chomag zadan to sareh mardom eh na mosallah.
• Royeh ziyadi. They have mined Ghazvin for sang-eh-pa and now there is a shortage.
• Blaming every problem in the world on Israel. Saying Seyhoonist every other word.
• Chert o pert goftan va har o purt zadan. Also known as gondeh goozi
• Khorafaat. They have perfected the art of necromancy and plan to conjure up Imam eh Zaman out of the well. Or as akhoond-eh be ammameh Bazargan wants us to believe some sort of time-space distortion black hole. If we are lucky the black hole swallows them up in the process sparing us the headache.

sorry sarkar

still a bunch of 40 year old aircraft that belong in museums.  In fact, they are so useless that in case of a conflict, Saudi Arabia can probably achieve air supremacy against Iran in less than 24 hours.   

Let's talk military

This military should have been dissolved and replaced by a people's armed forces after the revolution succeeded and before it was stolen by Khomeini.  This is the same military that has been attacking our Torkman, Kord, Arab, Azeri and Balouchi peoples.  There is no ASHTI with this military.  In fact, anyone clings to the current movement who hints of keeping the military intact plans to be the next dictator.  First it is flowers in the gun barrels and then comes the disarming of the people, followed by another dictatorship.  So whatever the strength of this military may be, it is against our people and it has to go, if not, it will be the same mess all over again.  Are there elements in the armed forces that will join the people? Absolutely, and they are critical to the movement, but the establishment as a whole has to go.  If their supporters are impressed by the might of the military force in Iran, read the history of Vietnam war to see it is the commitment that wins a war not might!

Here's a better Iran military video

(apologies if this has been previously posted at IC) 

Sargord Pirouz damet garm!

Although I don't agree with you on many issues, damet garm,

pir shi!

pirouz shi!

Veiled Prophet

I too find my viewes inline with yours and the respect is mutual.  Your point is well taken.

islamic republic "military" strengths are:

--Its Dormant No Fear Suicide-Bomber Terrorists scattered in the West.
(also sepah's entehaari units inside Iran)

--Lebanon's terrorist group: Hezbollah (specially ready for Israel/US).

--irI's main terrorist unit: Quds-Force.

And last but not least
--Its ballistic missiles for propaganda & usual ar-ar o gondeh goozi...

Takbir:
f*#! the islamic republic, its martyrdom mentality & their filthy terrorists.

marg bar IRI

basee ranj bordeem dar in sal see

ajab redand beh in parsi

bemeeran kaz in pas keh zendeh and

keh tokhmeh flelstine ra malande and

har on kas ke darad hosh o ray o deen

bar in hokoomat konad NEFREEN

Not an army, but a militia force

what has happened in the past 30 years under IRI rule is that the Iranian army has been transformed from an advanced, disciplined military force into a militia force that more or less resembles the Lebanese Hezbollah.  If you think about it, this actually makes sense  because a lot of the people who were put in charge of Iran's military post IRI, such as Chamran and Abu Sharif, actually came from South Lebanon and were veterans of various Shiai militant organization such as Amal.  They were not military men by any stretch of imagination, but rather guerrilla fighters, and they transformed Iran's military into another guerrilla force simply because that is what they knew best. What is left of Iran's military today is a legacy of those imports.

That is why we see the trend in weapons procurement and strategy, where instead of focusing of traditional weapons such as modern tanks, aircraft, APC's, etc., that are necessary for a proper defense of a country, Iran's military focuses on Scud type missiles, which have no military and strategic value, and can only be effectively used against civilian targets.  The same thing goes with their air force and navy, where the weapon of choice seems to be old Russian submarines, and small boats, which have very little military value, but can be used against un-armed civilian navigation and for sabotage operations.

Moreover, the IRI has created no "deterrence" for any modern military against attacking Iran.  Given the poor state of the  Iranian military, any half decent western military can defeat the Iranian military and waltz into the country without any significant casualty.  What the IRI banks on, however, is to disperse its armed forces across the country after an invasion and fight a Taliban style battle against the invaders, something which will guaranty significant civilian casualties and a break up of the country.  But then again, when was the last time that the IRI cared about either one of those two things happening in Iran?

So, in sum, the Iranian military, in the form that existed prior to 1979 no longer exists.  It is rather a larger version of the Lebanese Hezbollah, a militia force that is trained to serve an ideological purpose rather than to protect a country against foreign threats.    

True Strength vs Bragging about "martyrs"

In my family there have also been quite a few martyrs, many of my good friends became martyrs, and I also almost became martyr more than once.

But I nor they nor their families brag about it like No Fear/No Clue does. We did what we had to out of duty to our country and as a direct result of the antiIran government of Iran.

As far as a country's offense and defense, I am totally with Jeesh Daram- go for true strength, not empty show like these mullahs.

Now for No Fear nor Clue: Yes, go read Jane's, and in fact, there are even better sources. Then you can perhaps come back and tell me, Could you stop operations from multiple enemy air bases by firing any of these rockets into them, like Iran's air force did in 1980 and 1981, which saved Khuzestan from an even faster collapse? Could you even damage any hardened target with one of these rockets, which carries at most a 1000 kg warhead (1/8 the payload of one Phantom)? Let me give you a hint: NO. How many such missiles does Iran have? 100? 200? 2000? Now let's say 2000 (which is a ridiculous number, but let's say it anyway) - That is the equivalent of 16 air attack missions, each by 8 Phantoms. The IRIAF did that many missions in just a week, despite lack of spares and pilots and commanders, etc. Other air forces do that many missions in a morning. Furthermore, there is no way any of these missiles could hit any target as precisely as a Phantom on top of a target. The only time these missiles are truly dangerous is when they get a nuclear warhead, which is why there is all this fuss. So the PATHETIC one is you, you cannot even accept reality and keep jumping up and down and make a lot of noise without having any clue what you are talking about (just like this video clip).

And to Waffen SS Major-

1)All superpowers helped both sides during the Iran Iraq war with the goal of both sides losing. They succeeded. It is just that Iran needed less help because it was bigger, richer, more populous, and had a better military before the grand idiot decimated it and replaced it with incompetent anti Iran IRGC amateurs. Don't delude yourself or mislead others by claiming otherwise.

2)Iran did not emerge stronger after the war, Iraq did. Iran could not even mount the most basic air attack on any major Iraqi installation, whereas Iraq was bombing Iran whenever and wherever it wanted by 1988, and Iran could not do anything about it. And that stronger Iraqi army in 1988 was wiped out in 100 hours less than 3 years later. Even today, Iran could not mount an attack like H3 against any of its enemies, and this attack happened almost 30 years ago. So Iran's capability today is a fraction of what it was in 1980, especially when you compare relative to the rest of the region.

3)The real reason Bush Cheney and others did not attack Iran is the mistakes they made themselves by poorly planning and getting bogged down in Iraq. By doing so, they made life very easy for mullahs, and handed Iraq to them on a platter. Don't expect Washington to continue to be so stupid indefinitely. Look at 10 years from now. A resurgent Iraq can threaten Iran again. And what is going to defend us this time? Shahab missiles? 40 year old tanks? Planes that can barely take off? Russia and China? Imam Zaman? No, Iran's only course today is get nuclear weapons, and all sides know this. That is the only time the region will truly have to fear Iran.

Iran cannot stand up to the US militarily, and there is no shame in that. Nobody on this planet can stand up to the US militarily. My concern is not this. My concern is the current and future generation of Iranians. I never want any Iranian generation to face what mine had to face again, and the best defense against that is regime change in Iran. The anti Iran regime in Tehran today gives not one hoot for the Iranian people, and does not care at all if another million Iranians die for their bankrupt ideology and stupidity.

-Fair

Re: Give me a break

I am on your side brother. I have read your posts and have the highest respect for you. So don't take it personally. It is just that every time I hear BBC with the "The Gulf" BS I get sick and angry.

I apologize if I misread your intention.

Give me a break

I type slow and take short cuts and sorry if I left out the Persian and left it at gulf.  It doesn't make me an agent of the fifth column.  Man o mighty!.