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None-sense abound by the Zionist gang here Part I

We never had problem with Israel when shah was on power. Can you understand that?

Why should we ? We were a Zio-Terrorist bend-over then. We kept those terrorists very happy in every way!

We also will never going to have any problem if Crown Reza Pahlavi take the office because his foreign policy would be the same as we had during shah's days.

That is why you will never see another "Shah" in Iran. Any Iranian passer by on any streets of Iran could tell you that. Now I totally believe in "Taghooti" definition after reading your garbage here!

During the reign of the Shah why did Israel not concut the same plans to fragment Iran into small Bantustans?

Simple! No need to go through costly operations while the Shah was bending backwards to to make Zio-Terrorists happy! On the other hand why don't the Zio-Terrorists try to fragment Saudi Arabia ,Jordan, Kuwait and Persian Gulf Arab kingdoms?

Israel did not go out to do favours for the Shah and it also decided to keep out of the revolution.

Much like the US, the Zio-Terrorists did not see any hope for the Shah. In fact, I am a personal believer that it was the Zio-Terrorists who helped to bring him down. Why one may ask? Well, the Shah was on the record to openly state his wish to become a nuclear power state. Why would the Zio-Terrorists want that in hundered years? Remember how these terrorists acted against Saddam's and Syria's nuclear ambitions and how they are acting against Iran's. The conclusion is very simple!

Think about if it was your country that is being called illegitimate and threatened to be destroyed?

Fat chance! Iran is not illigitimate but the Zio-Terrorist is undeniably an illigitimate country built on occupied lands forcing its people into exile!

If the likes of Baron Avok and Iranian Military Forum were real Iranians they would support an Iranian nationalist movement to destablise the Russian government such as the Chechan militants or they would send their troops to the Azarbaijani and Gerogia to rightfully claim what is Iranian.

That is just a fine solution coming from a backward Zionist mentality as exposed in occupied Palestine since 1948! Invade, Kill, invade, kill…..!

;-)

If Iran is any danger

If Iran is any danger of division or disintegration it will be because of IR's mistreatment of Iran's different ethnicities, who, despite their love for Iran, alongside the rest of Iran's population, are totally fed up with this regime.

Cold, hard truth.  It seems to me that some people think that  IRI should never be held accountable for anything and as if they are immune from consequences of their actions.   

"There is enough in this world to meet every man's need but not every man's greed." --Gahndi

BaronAvak, seems you don't get it.Do you?

"It's a MAJOR, mainstream Israeli organization which is as influential in shaping official Israeli policy as the Pasdaran and Guardian Council are in shaping Iranian policy..." BaronAvak

We never had problem with Israel when shah was on power. Can you understand that?

We also will never going to have any problem if Crown Reza Pahlavi take the office because his foreign policy would be the same as we had during shah's days.

So you tell me what is the problem.?

Once again, if you hate jews so much, take you gun and go to south Lebanon along with stinky mullahs fight with jews. Why do you want me and my people get involve in that none sense, endless war. ?

Reality Bytes

You are spot on my friend.

During the reign of the Shah why did Israel not concut the same plans to fragment Iran into small Bantustans? The State of Israel and Iran whilst they did not enjoy a full diplomaticrelationship was neutral at best and there was bilateral cooperation on a range of commercial and security interests. Prime Minister Golda Meir and a host of other Israeli senior statesmen such as Rabin and Peres both visited Iran before the revolution. 

Israel did not go out to do favours for the Shah and it also decided to keep out of the revolution. 

It was only after the revolution that the relationship between Israel and Iran deteriorated to begin with but even then Israel did not threaten the Islamic Republic in any way because it was too happy to buy oil from it at duiirt cheap prices and even sold arms and weapons to the regime in the first Persian Gulf War. The pathetic Islamic Republic with all its rhetoric and fake concern for the Palestinians still makes sure that Iranian pistachios find its way to Tel Aviv and Israeli Jaffa oranges makes its way to the bazzars of Tehran.

Israel has a right to be irritated with the Islamic Republic. As you sayu, think of it if your  country was being attacked from every single border by a country which you have never harmed in the history of creation. Think about if it was your country that is being called illegitimate and threatened to be destroyed? Israel or the Jewish people have never harmed the Iranian people but yet the supporters of this regime are only fueled by their own Jewish hate and driven by their love for pan-Arabism despite the fact that they boast that are ´Persians´.

If the likes of Baron Avok and Iranian Military Forum were real  Iranians they would support an Iranian nationalist movement to destablise the Russian government such as the Chechan militants or they would send their troops to the Azarbaijani and Gerogia to rightfully claim what is Iranian.

Why on earth would Iran have any interest in Palestine? Why is Iran the only Muslim country devoted to the destruction of Israel and the resettlement of the Palestinians to their historical home? Not even anti-imperialist Gadaffi or Saddam Hussein dedicated such an effort. 

Why don´t they? Because of their love for their Palestinian brothers who when push comes to shove are really Arabs. You can see this from the Keffiyah (Arab scarf) its leaders wear to that ugly sign of Allah on the flag of Iran. 

Baron Avok

I do not expect you to share any love for Israel at all. Far from it. However, I would expect you to direct the same degree of vitriol towards your Palestinian friends who have siphoned money off Iran ever since the Islamic Republic was established and its leadership under Arafat not only supported Saddam Hussein but in recent years has also sided signed a charter declaring that the Persian Gulf islands such as Tunbs, Abu Musa, Sirri, Qeshm, Hengam should be governed under ARAB sovereigtny.

 I would expect you to show the samehatred towards Russia who for two hundred years have stollen our territory in northern Iran including what is now Azarbaijan, forced our country to sign the humiliating Turkamaninchai treaty otherwise the Tsar´s soldiers gernerals to march its troops into Tehran.

Your beloved Islamic Republic not only had full diplomatic relationships with the Soviet Union (an anthiest regime) but also has handed over full control of the Caspian to them. And you have the audacity to say that  there are patriots in this regime? The Islamic Republic has become a client state of the Russians under its new incarnation and is buying junk from them at extortionate prices in return for favourable support in the UN security council. To say nothing of course that the Russians invaded Farsi speaking Afghanistan who have a long shared history with us Iranians and supported its Serbian brothers in their genocide of your good Muslim brothers in Bosnia.

You condemn Israel but you remain delibiretely silent about Russia.

Your silence is deafening and explains volumes about your mentality. I promised JJ not to get involved in personal attacks but your patriotism is a charade. Your blind hated of Israel as an enemy of Iran over and above Palestinians, Arabs and Russians can only be explained by an insidious blind hatred of Jews entrenched into your psyche passed down from generation to generation. 

Baron

Of course Israel has all kinds of clandestine plans and works with various groups against the IR. I don't think anyone is naive enough to believe otherwise. But what else did we expect? Like I said earlier, IR has been funding, arming and working with the likes of Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Lebanese Hezbollah, while shouting "marg bar Israel". What else did you expect Israel to do? Just turn a blind eye, pretend there were no issues with IR and not retaliate?

Israel previously had no issues or problems with Iran. We are in this position because the IR set out from the beginning to make Israel its enemy and, as the saying goes, if you play with fire.....!

Guess what would happen tomorrow if the IR leadership publicly announced that it no longer had any hostile intentions against Israel and backed this up with ending the support for Israel's enemies?

btw, although there may well be plans to stoke ethnic tensions inside Iran, which has the potential to become a serious danger to the country if the IR keeps up its destructive and hostile foreign (and internal) policies, I repeat, the idea of Israel conquering countries all the way to Iran's border, is just speculative "consider all scenarios" fantasy.  I wouldn't get too concerned about that.

Reality

I am an Iran supporter, not an IRI or even an Islam supporter.  I agree with all of the things you mentioned about IRI suppressing Iranian nationalism, and oppose all of those policies.  However, I'm not a blind hater nor am I irrational. If someone in the IRI does something good for Iran, I will acknowledge it too.  Things are not black and white.  The IRI is not one person. There's people in the IRI who are nationalists who gave their blood and lives for Iran, and there's people in the IRI who are Western agents who are traitors to Iran (Rafsanjani, probably even Khomeini himself).  Moreover, the IRI is an evolving entity whose controllers and managers have changed over time, and whose policies have changed over time. 

As for the long-term Israeli government policy on seperating Iran and other regional states, you should do a little research on the World Zionist Organization.  It's a MAJOR, mainstream Israeli organization which is as influential in shaping official Israeli policy as the Pasdaran and Guardian Council are in shaping Iranian policy. It's about as official as you're going to get for a clandestine operation.   However, if you read the writing and speeches of many prominent Israeli leaders, it corroborates this plan. Besides which there's plenty of American observers who have stated that Israel is working with the MKO, with Kurd seperatists, with Azari seperatists, etc., as we speak.  Scott Ritter, the former UN Weapons Inspector, and Seymour Hersh, the American Jewish journalist, have born confirmed that "GunAz TV" (Guney Azarbaijan or "South Azarbaijan" TV) and the Voice of Southern Azerbaijan radio, both Azari seperatist media propaganda operations, are both Israeli operations.  

Baron

I ask again: is that paper Israeli government's official policy? Does even the IR think that paper is Israeli government's official policy? Do Iran and Israel, both officially believe that Israel going to conquer the whole of Jordan and the whole of Iraq all the way to Iran's border?

Working for the Israeli Foreign Affairs office does not preclude one of being a nutjob.

Baron

You just said you are not an Islamist, but a true nationalist Iran. I believe you!

But what puzzles me is the fact that as a true nationalist you still support the Islamic Republic regime which for the entirety of its 32 year rule has done everything in its power to erode and undermine the Iranian national identity, history, culture and heritage in deference to its Islamic ideology. Everything in Iran is Islamic Republic this and Islamic Republic that. There is no mention of anything "melli" anymore.

Heck, when IR first came to power, Imam and some of his fellow Mullahs wanted to rename Persian Gulf, the Islamic Gulf and for years they frowned on anyone celebrating Naw-ruz. I know that recently, Ahmadinejad has started to defend the Persian Gulf name, but anyone with any sense could see it's just a publicity stunt to generate some badly needed poular support.

If Iran is any danger of division or disintegration it will be because of IR's mistreatment of Iran's different ethnicities, who, despite their love for Iran, alongside the rest of Iran's population, are totally fed up with this regime.

How the hell as a nationalist, have you ended up being an IR supporter?

BaronAvak and Javid Iran

Forget Israel. We never had any problem with them once shah was on power. We will never have problem with them once Crown Reza Pahlavi take the office. In fact, our king ,Koroush Kabir, supported jews once they were under threat over 2000 years ago.  We were invaded by Arabs many times. Battle of Ghadeseyeh and the most recent invasion of Saddam to our country. Arabs were our historical enemy. Now, if you want to change the history, it won't work my friend. My last advice, if you want to fight jews, You're welcome to take your gun and go to south Lebanon and fight with them. But please don't get me and my family involve with your fight. 

Did I make myself clear?

Thanks,

Siavash 

Reality

This is not just "some paper" by "one nutjob."  This was an official document published - in Hebrew - by the World Zionist Organization, in Jerusalem, the umbrella entity for the entire Zionist movement that founded Israel.  (Simorgh and "Fred" can tell you more about the WZO.) The author is  Oded Yinon, an official from the Israeli Foreign Affairs office.   It's about as official as you can get, without buying an ad on the front page of the New York Times advertising the fact that you want to divide all your neighbors. 

Simorgh

Rich and comedic of you to ask for "evidence" of you being an anti-Iranian subverter, when you've smeared half this website's readers as "Islamists."   

We apologize that our definition of loving Iran does not include "loving Israel."   That doesn't make us "Islamists" it makes us true nationalist Iranians that aren't stupid enough to fall for this subversion campaign with you and the other fake anti-Iranian profiles who all seem to adore Israel and advocate all Israeli propaganda causes.  

That is your evidence?

So one nutjob comes out with a paper and that automatically becomes Israelis government's official policy, in your view? So is Israel going to conquer the whole of Jordan and the whole of Iraq all the way to Iran's border?

For crying out loud man, not even the Mullahs/Islamic Republic are claiming your fantasy of Israel becoming Iran's next door neighbour, is Israel's stated policy.

The internet is full of ideas/papers written by various nutjobs, including many by some of Islamic Republic's own extremist wackos who want to ultimately either conquer or destroy any country that is not Islamic. Does that automatically mean this is IR's own policy? Well as much as I despise the IR, even I don't think so.

Siavash

I agree.  Javid Iran.  However, if your idea of  "Javid Iran" is "I love Israel, who cares how many people they kill or what plans they have for Iran", then I think you may need to consult a dictionary.

Israeli Strategic Policy Paper Advocating Division of Iran

//www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/The%20Zionist%20Plan%20for%20the%20Middle%20East.pdf

You gotta love Barron

First, he starts off saying that the animosity between Iran and Israel is all Israel's fault and the Islamic Republic is only "defending" itself against threats of attack by Israel, by making statements like the following:

"...but it is Israel who is initiating the threats to attack Iran...", "...The headline of this article deceptively suggests Ahmadinejad is the one bringing war to Iran!  Why, just because he vows to defend Iran if it is ever attacked?...."

Then, when faced with evidence and facts that it has actually been the Islamic Republic that has been the side making threats of war and aggression against Israel for the past 32 years and Israel finally retaliated, he changes colour and admits:

"..Lebanon's Hezbollah responded against Israel, with Iran's consent and support...", and "...and opposing such a regime (i.e. Israel) with such a policy, which seeks to divide and destabilize all regional states, and which is located in Iran's backyard, is in the interests of all regional countries, including Iran, under any regime of any ideology, secular or otherwise..."

So having established that Baron's initial argument as utter bullshit as to which side started the problems between Iran and Israel, he tries to change to discussion by coming out with more drivel, like:

"...Israeli politicians have long advocated 1) an expansion of Israel up to Iran's borders, and/or 2)  the division of all major countries in the Middle East into weak, squabbling, ethnic mini-states which can be easily dominated by Israel and large outside powers. Not only are there active plans to divide Iran, but there are also plans in place to divide regional countries which are (or were) ostensibly allied with Israel, such as Egypt and Turkey...."

I mean, where the hell is the evidence that Israel wants expand up to Iran's border? If Israel was that intent on physically conquering the whole region, then why the hell did it make peace with Egypt and pull out of Sinai and then pull out of Southern Lebanon?

And when all else fails, Baron resorts to the classic IR supporter "shoaar daadan" and starts to call anyone who disagrees with him and shows up his regurgitation of Mullah/Hezbollahi bullshit, "fake Iranians", "Zionists" etc.

Baron joon, before you continue to offend people let me just point out you to your rather limited and narrow-minded view of the world, that many of us here don't really think much of Israel and its foreign policy. Israel's treatment of Palestinians and occupation of their territories is utterly shameful and should be condemned by all humanitarians. Equally shameful, is the influence of the Jewish lobby/AIPAC on the US government's perpetually unquestioning support of Israel's violations of International law and UN Resolutions. If you still think that people who disagree with you are Israel supporters, then you really are completely clueless.

The point we are trying to get across to you is that the resolution of Israeli/Palestinian conflict is a matter for the International Community and none of Iran's business. Instead of focusing on treating its own people decently and improving their lives, the Islamic Republic has been using the Arab/Israeli issue to distract attention away from the mess it has presided over inside Iran and to make mischief and spread its brand of fundamentalist tyranny all over het Middle East.

And the gullible souls, who by supporting the Islamic Republic in this foolishness that has needlessly made Iran a potential target for military attack, think they are serving the interests of Iran and being true vatanparasts, have bought into the Mullahs crap (nevermind that the whole Islamic Republic ethos is against Iranian vatanparasti and national identity).

Fellow, wake up and smell the coffee. The cause of Iran's problems is not Israel, it is the Islamic Republic. Until you, and people like you, get wise to that reality, Iran will continue to go down the toilet.

Baron Avok

Rather than take cheap shots and me provide evidence and solid proof that I am a Zionist agent or an Israeli.

Iran is my country not Palestine where you belong.

Furthermore, the idea that Israel seeks to seek territory across  the whole of the Middle East up to Iran´s borders is nothing but confabulation  concoted over a beer by rambling drunks. Israel has already its hands full and is fighting to retain territories that it gained since the 1967 war and is fighting Hezbollah rockets on its Lebanon border. Not to mention a hostile media and international pressure to live up to its international obligations.

It would be centturies before Israel manages to Judaise the entire Middle East.

You and your ilk are part of the scaremongering brigade part. If Israel intended for the Middle East to be split up Iraq with its three major ethnicities and years of sectarian violence would have been the first country to suffer from the divide and conquer policy. Do you remember how so-called experts said that Iraq would be divided?

Has it happened? Does the new Iraq have any diplomatic or commercial relationship with Israel? The only countrywhich benefited directly from Bush´s war is the evil Terror Regime which you support and is contolling the government in Baghdad. You can now go to pilgrimage in Najaf and Karbalah if you want!

There are  zealots in every country and Israel is no exception. Since the evil Terror Regime which you embrace so fonddly has called for the destruction of Israel and supports terrorists which seek to de-stabilise it from every single border such as Syria, Lebanona and Hamas is it small wonder that a group of extremists in Israel have returned the favour and try to stir up ethnic tension in Iran. 

You reap what you sow. 

Smells mullahs' propaganda here

"Not only are there active plans to divide Iran, but there are also plans in place to divide regional countries....... " BaronAvak

" Zionist gang
masked behind Iranian identity here." Iranmilitaryfrum

Sounds like stinky mullahs' usual propaganda brainwashed some people on this site. My question still stands: why me, my family, my friends, my relatives.........etc.  should get in war that has nothing to do with us. ? We didn't have any problem when shah was on power. No one wanted to divide Iran, No discussion of Zionists. All these garbages started when these Islamic bastards unlawfully took power. We were happy nation with shah as a head of our country living peacefully with all neighbores and other nations including Israel. Unlike these days that other establishments look at Iranians as trouble makers and they wanted to divide our country because of bunch of stinky mullahs, under shah's smart leadership, other nations looked very highly at Iranians. We were well respected around the globe. That is historical fact. Our problem is NOT U.S, Israel, Russia, China, etc. Our problem is a bunch of stinky Islamic rag-head who took power and sucking blood of our nation by robbing our county and making sigheh out of our sisters. Removing these bastards from power will solve all our problems.  Just overthrow mullahs from power then  everyting will be fine. By supporting Crown Reza Pahlavi take the office our family and our country would be safe. As long as these Islamic thugs are on power we are in danger of other establishments such as Arabs, U.S, Israel, you name it. Last attack was from Arab under Saddam.  No one likes mullahs including decent Iranians who are NOT on payroll by stinky mullahs. Those who are on payroll by these bastards selling their own people for a few bucks they are receiving from them. selling their country. Shame on them. I am not concern about those bastards. They are traitors. We always had traitors in our history.  I am sure after Crown Reza Pahlavi take the office all these garbages such as zionist and dividing our country will be vanished. These are mullahs' propaganda to keep them stay in power and continue their parasite live style. Once Crown Reza take the office, We will never involve in any war with any country. I promise. Just try.  

Payandeh our Aryan Land Iran.

BaronAvak

Thanks for your comments while facing the Zionist gang
masked behind Iranian identity here. There is only one way to deal with these
people and that is w/o mercy and head on.

These losers can’t write anything meaningful beside
conducting their comments in the interest of Zio-Terrorists. Their pathetic
cheap shots leaves them no where but to often criticize and challenge their
opposition with spelling error or ‘prove if you are Iranian by writing Farsi’.
May be these Zionists are using IC to practice the Farsi they learned in Tel
Aviv? Who knows!!

Shifteh,

For one who constantly writes nothing but bad omen about Iran here crying aloud that fellow
Iranians suffering day in and day out you are totally naïve to chew what the
enemies of Iran
want Iranians to say as loud as possible.

You see, I thought one with vigor as you carry day in and
day out here, would be more informed about the world affairs than you exhibit.  It is sad to remind you that the
Zio-Terrorists, US and NATO have a habit to rape/attack/destroy nations often
times in the name of saving the people from their own governments. Actually, they skillfully
manage to get people of those countries to say the same things you utter here.
That is splashing the media with a banner like statements such as ‘it is our
fault for being attacked’!

Let me remind you that Afghanistan was also attacked, among
other reasons, that its people were under religious tyranny and wished to be
'liberated' by ‘the US’. After years of war Afghanistan is just as impoverished
and devastated in every aspect (and according to some the situation is even
worse). Thousands of Afghanis have become refugee, killed, raped and the
country was totally bombed out with far more powerful bombs than the Taliban
could ever manage.  Still today, there
is not much of security and no day passes by w/o any Afghan casualties
in Afghanistan.

We heard the same stories from some Iraqi exiles who
encouraged attacks on their country squarely blaming it on Saddam and his
government. It does not take a generous to see where Iraq is today. At least a couple of
millions have become refugees, thousands of women were raped by the US/UK
troops, utilities are not even at the pre invasion status, hospitals are empty
of doctors and medicine but full of patients and not a day goes by that tens of
people are not killed. Who were those stupid Iraqis who called in for an
invasion?

Such scenarios have been repeated many times in Gaza and Lebanon
at times on behalf of Palestinians or Lebanese themselves much similar to what
happened in Afghanistan and Iraq. The
Zio-Terrorists managed to completely destroy a good portion of Beirut
and kill over 1500 innocent women and children in a short one month and live on
TV beamed to ‘civilized’ countries in Europe and North
America. There was hardly any protest by these civilizations.  The tonnage of bombs dropped on Lebanon is said
to be more than the total bombs dropped in WWII. They did not stop there. The
Zio-Terrorists, while fleeing from their defeat dropped about four million
Cluster bomblets across Southern Lebanon on
the farms, schools and playgrounds to make sure many more innocent children and
women run into their early death even years after the conflict. No wonder why
the Zio-Terrorists are given the title “Child killers” for operations in Gaza and Lebanon.

I can remind you of Vietnam,
Panama,
and many other countries that were attacked and left with massive destruction
all in the name of the very people they killed in thousands.

Back to you, I stand my ground for what I said at the beginning
of this thread. I believe anyone Iranian who chews the garbage Iran’s enemies
want to chew as a pretext of an attack is shear stupid and is not in any scale ‘patriotic’! Please next time, ‘think’ before you
write if you are really for Iranians while sitting in your comfortable armchair a
thousands of miles away clicking at your keyboard simply because the consequences
could be grave not for you of course but for those living in Iran.

Finally, make no mistake, there is no force today with guts to
attack Iran.
Iran is no Gaza,
Iraq, Afghanistan,
etc. etc. Iran
will defend herself with a devastating response. But that does not mean one
should allow herself to be a loose lipped and use untrue words on behalf of other
Iranians. Ahmadinejad has the duty to protect Iran from any attacks in every way possible and he
is doing a damn good job to keep my family safe.

;-)

VPK

I don't think Iran is weak.  I think Israel percieves Iran as still susceptible to certain kinds of force.  While Iran has enough capabilities to deter even a U.S./NATO attack (for various reasons which I won't get into right now). elements among the Israelis, British (and company) still believe that Iran is vulnerable to the alternative strategy of soft war and velvet revolution against the government.  This soft war includes plans to separate the country by means of aiding seperatist organizations, and/or changing the entire regime by means of coup d'etat to a more pliable puppet regime like in Saudi Arabia or Egypt.  

In terms of countering soft war, the IRI's own policies are holding it back, in my view.  While there exists intelligent, reasonable, capable, nationalists within the IRI system (even among the religious right and Pasdaran), the IRI ruling establishment still has in its ranks powerful but backwards, short-sighted, narrow-minded religious hyper-traditionalists, particularly among the elderly clerics.  It is the foolish policies of the older clerics (things like mandatory hejab, banning all social fun for youths, opposing Iranian nationalism, etc.) that causes internal discontentment and gives the West ammunition to destablize Iran as a whole and risk dismemberment of Iran.

So long as this situation exists, the Israelis won't be looking to make a grand bargain with Iran.  They'll be looking to exploit discontenment, aid separatist groups, threaten an attack, and enact destabilization and subversion campaigns to install a puppet regime and get what they want without negotiating. Until Iran can once and for all enact progressive policies to undercut discontentment among the youth at home, nurture Iranian nationalism, and understand that an "Islamic" lifestyle cannot be imposed, they will face large internal opposition.  As long as the opposition exists, Iran's enemies will try to exploit it for their anti-Iranian aims.   

Baron

If Iran is so weak then what is the fuss about anyway. Reality will hit both sides sonner or later and the deal will be made. Regarding the actual division I am not sure. Persoally I give them Lebanon.

Anyway first the IRI has to go and a reasonable regime needs to take over. Then a negotiation must be done and speheares drawn. Iran gets its share and Israel its then peope are happy and no more posturing.

Meanwhile they are going to yell at one another. Once realists take over in Iran a deal is inveitable. Israel is not going away and nor is Iran. The problem is people like AN who don't accetp this.

VPK

For a deal to split the region with Israel to take place, such a deal would have to come from a position of power.  The Israelis would have to be convinced that they have to make a deal with Iran, rather than think they can bully Iran into submission and avoid having to make a deal.  

Presently, the Israelis still think Iran is weak enough to be pushed around either by them or by the U.S./NATO by means of destabilization and division.  I don't think you could convince Simorgh555, Fred, or "Roozbeh Gilani" to take a deal, let alone the Israel policy making establishment. For now, because they think Iran is weak, they'd rather undermine and use force rather than cut a deal.  Take a look at this Israeli strategy paper.  Read carefully the sections on how they intend to divide Iraq, Iran, Egypt and Turkey.  

//www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/The%20Zionist%20Plan%20for%20the%20Middle%20East.pdf 

Notwithstanding the current hostile Israeli posture and unwillingness to split the pie, I agree with you that if and when Israel accepts the inescapable reality that it must deal with Iran, a deal along the lines of what you mentioned may be worked out.  Israel leaves the Shi'a world (Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Bahrain), and the Greater Iranian sphere  (Caucasus, Kurdistan, Central Asia) to Iran, and Iran leaves Palestine, Sinai, and Jordan to Israel.  

Baron

I have to disagree with you. Israel is not a Western "Beachhead". It has its own interests which sometimes go against the West! Besides I have said many time: West lost that game a while ago. 

The raise of India and China has already put a damper on that. We Iranians have an exaggerated sense of our importance. "West is trying to keep us backwards" and so .. Why? Sure oil was once a big deal. But any Iranian regime will sell it. Or is it because we are so smart they are afraid we will take over the world with our stellar minds! Well I have news: India is pumping out engineers at 10 times the rate Iran would! Iran and Israel have no real reason to fight each other.

The right thing to do is to split the region between us. Just like Russia and Britain did. Let Israel have its sphere of influence and Iran its. Then we will all be happy and *** the other nations! Why not: it will be good for all us all :-)

سوراخ سومیت

رو تو دیار فرنگ  حسابی به چسب و از دست نده  که لازمه به زودی برای قایم شدن دکتر مموت جون و رهبر جا کشان اسلامی، علی‌ خامنه‌ای آدمکش

......آبکش و نگاه کن ....

آبکش و نگاه کن که به کفگیر میگه تو سه سوراخ داری

مختصر و مفید...

بزک نمیر بهار میاد، خربزه با خیار میاد.

تو که ادعای ایرانی‌ بودن داری، اقلا کرسی شعر تو به فارسی بنویس..

To Simorgh555 and "Roozbeh Gilani", our resident fake Iranians.

The main strategic conflict between Israel and Iran has little to do with the Palestinians or Israel's great love for the causes of "human rights", "gay rights", "women's lib," etc. in Iran. Rather, it has to do with Israel's role as a base and beachhead from which Western powers can control the Middle East, including Iran, in partnership with Israel.  To this end, Israeli politicians have long advocated 1) an expansion of Israel up to Iran's borders, and/or 2)  the division of all major countries in the Middle East into weak, squabbling, ethnic mini-states which can be easily dominated by Israel and large outside powers. Not only are there active plans to divide Iran, but there are also plans in place to divide regional countries which are (or were) ostensibly allied with Israel, such as Egypt and Turkey.  So this is not just a matter of the Palestinians.  It directly affects Iran itself.  

Therefore, opposing such a regime with such a policy, which seeks to divide and destabilize all regional states, and which is located in Iran's backyard, is in the interests of all regional countries, including Iran, under any regime of any ideology, secular or otherwise. 

Roozbeh "Gilani" more like "Gilfeltefishi"

Israel couldn't withstand more than 33 days against puny Hezbollah before it capitulated and accepted a ceasefire.  How many days do you think it could tolerate against Iran? By the way, it's quite interesting to see how well you advocate for Israel's interest in every post in the Iranian.com community.  To quote Mel Gibson, it's almost as if you had a horse in the race.

"will incapacitate Israel permanently"

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Simorgh555

There probably have been back dealings between the IRI and Israel on areas of temporary shared interest.  For that matter, the same applied between the U.S. and U.S.S.R. during the Cold War.  That didn't make them secret buddies. 

Opposing and weakening a nuclear-armed regime which is foreign-backed, colonialist, racist, and expansionist in nature, in Iran's backyard, is definitely in the long term strategic interests of Iran, under any regime.  Moreover, it is in Iran's interest to develop and nurture regional and global alliances, of like-minded parties, and to support its allies.  

If I am wrong then why doesn´t Ahmadinejad once, just once, live up to his threat and fight it out with a warship blocking Gaza?

Why? For the same reason the U.S. and U.S.S.R. never fought a direct battle during the Cold War.   Because a direct military confrontation of that type wouldeasily  escalate into something bigger which cannot be withstood by either party.  Which is also why, for that matter, Avigdor Lieberman doesn't "once, just once," live up to his threats to bomb Iran's nuclear facilities.  Because he and the Israeli regime know Iran can and will retaliate in a manner which will incapacitate Israel permanently.