Israel pushes on with settlement plans on annexed land
AP
07-Jul-2011 (30 comments)

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel's
Jerusalem municipality approved a plan on Monday to build hundreds of
new homes for Jews on annexed land in the occupied West Bank, a council member said.

Elisha Peleg told Reuters that the
city planning commission had approved building plans for 900 new units
in Gilo, an urban settlement built on land Israel captured in a 1967 war
and unilaterally annexed to Jerusalem.

About 500,000 Israelis live in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, among 2.7 million Palestinians. The World Court has ruled Israeli settlements in occupied territory illegal. Palestinians say the enclaves could deny them a viable state.

"I see no difference between Gilo
and any other neighborhood in Jerusalem. There is no planning or
political problem with this and Jews have the right to build anywhere in
the city," said Peleg, a member of the planning commission.

The proposals still need approval
from the Interior Ministry and construction is not likely to start for a
year or two, Peleg said.

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Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Reality Bites

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

I agree and am all for uniting to oppose the IRI. The only group I will not work with is the MEK. Any other group is welcome. As you said Mossadegh supporter; Monarchist; Socialist whatever. We  then argue in Parliament over policy.


Reality-Bites

Well VPK

by Reality-Bites on

It's good that you take this in good humor and that's usually the right way to go about things.

But you know, there is a serious side to your point, namely that we Iranians do look for things to needlessly argue about and find differences over. And this is not a good omen if ever we hope to unite all Iranians, lefties, righties, neutrals, monarchists, republicans, patriots or whatever, to one day get rid of the present nightmare in Iran.


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Reality Bites

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

This begs the question: why ARE you arguing?

Because we are Iranians and that is what Iranians do! As they say if we don't have anyone to argue with then we put a mirror then argue with ourselves :-)


Reality-Bites

VPK & Simorgh

by Reality-Bites on

First off, you won't find even two people in the world who agree on every single issue 100%. Having said that, you guys essentially agree and have similar positions on what you've spent so much time arguing about!

This begs the question: why ARE you arguing? 


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Simorgh

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

So WHERE IS THE DISAGREEMENT HERE?

It was in your mind! There never was a disagreement you misread my posts and confused them with someone else. Then went based on that incorrect assumption. I have never supported the Palestinian claims to Israel so get your facts right.


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Right or Socialist

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

I am neither fully right wing nor fully socialist.

  • Shah himself was a socialist by Republican standards! He wanted government to pay for education and provide benefits. I support that.
  • I support single payer health care.
  • I support limited free market. Where people are allowed to own businesses but not the whole nation. Is that right or left? I don't know it is in the middle.
  • I am not a Monarchist but see eye to eye with them. I do not know if Iranian people are ready for full democracy. So I rather have a nationalist government. Whether it be a full democracy or a constitutional monarchy. 
  • I do not support Shah's land reforms; too socialist for me and too fast. It should have been done much slower and allowed an orderly transition.
  • I don't care where they build Mosques. From my view the fewer the better! Sunni or Shia make little difference. Both are foreign imposed religions and I have little sympathy for them,

Simorgh5555

ou Simorgh have not

by Simorgh5555 on

  • ou Simorgh have not created dissent just by yourself. It is a part of a strategy. Which Israel has decided to use to weaken Iran by. It they had any sense they would support RP and a united; friendly and strong Iran.

Does this make more sense to you? If not go to a particular point and I will explain it. In fact I oppose both Palestinian and Ahwazi separatists. Israel and Iran should both remain intact. There is nothing contradictory here. 

So WHERE IS THE DISAGREEMENT HERE?

 

Look, let's go for a drink and stop this crap.  

 

 


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Simorgh

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

My positions are very simple.

  • Regarding Israel: I would prefer that Iran and Israel be allies. I do not care about the Palestinian issue one bit. But recent actions by AIPAC in support of MKO piss me off. In addition recent attempts to sow division among Iranians piss me off too. Iran is one integrated multicultural nation. I do not recognize separatism in Iran. I oppose it and want a unified Iran including lost territories going to Ctesiphon one the West and Tajikistan to the East.
  • I do not recognize Iraq as a legitimate nation. It is a creation of Britain. It was glued from three separate chunks: Sunni Arabs; Kurds and Shia which are a mix of Iranian and Arabs who happen to speak Arabic. So if the Kurds don't want to be a part of a fake country that is fine. To me Kurd; all of them are Iranians and should be a part of Iran. I do support a good deal of autonomy for them but as a part of Iran.
  • Israel is a legitimate historical nation. But I do not like it being run by **holes. Not because they take "Palestinian" land but because they have forgotten who are their natural allies. As far as I am concerned they could take Judea and Samaria and annex it and be done with it. But they won't. Instead they drag out this stupid pretense with Palestinians. Just annex the damn thing and be done with it. 
  • I want a powerful Iran and would support a nationalist government. I would be for either a Monarchy or a Republic given it is nationalist.
  • You Simorgh have not created dissent just by yourself. It is a part of a strategy. Which Israel has decided to use to weaken Iran by. It they had any sense they would support RP and a united; friendly and strong Iran.

Does this make more sense to you? If not go to a particular point and I will explain it. In fact I oppose both Palestinian and Ahwazi separatists. Israel and Iran should both remain intact. There is nothing contradictory here.


Simorgh5555

VPK prophet of confusion

by Simorgh5555 on

The more I speak to you......the more I get lost. You are sounding as if you have a political midlife crisis not showing which path to take: Monarchy or republic? Violence and airstrikes against the mullahs or not? Praising Israel on the one hand and then jumping off ship and making bed fellows with Mola Nasradeen of all people. I can quote back to you posts when you were positively trying to seek browny points off Israel just to be accepted. One day you laud the NIAC and promise to contribute to them and the next you couldn't care less about them. One day you are against the invasion of Iraq and the next you support it. One day you say you are ahere to socialist beliefs then you suppor the Right of the political spectrum and support the Shah! How daft is that?

It is not me who has created dissent amongst Iranian ethnicities but the Islamic Republic itself which has single handedly alienated Kurds, Azaris, Bahais and Arabs. I have never supported any separatist factions in Iran and unfortunately you are so dense that you are unable to see past the argument I was making that Palestinian rights of separation are no different from that of Ahwazi Arabs. If Iran is one then why do you care about whether the MEK kills Kurdish separatists in Iraq like the PPK who also are trying to stir the same division in Iran? 

Can you not see how wholly eratic and contradictory your arguments are?  

You are not pro-iranin, anti-Iranian but a politically menopausal blogger moving from one camp to another. Aimlessly wandering, experimenting with different political group to another. 

A prophet with no disciples and no particular belief either.  


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Regarding Israel Palestine

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

I don't care about either one and agree with other posters. Their fight is not ours. Let anyone so worried about it go to the appropriate blog. This is about Iran not either Israel or Palestine. 

May the ocean rise and swallow the whole damn area. Then there is nothing to fight over. They could all get scuba gear and fight it out along with the sharks to cheer them on.


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Simorgh

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

The more you write the more you prove my point. You are trying to create division among Iranians. The wealth of Iran belongs to all its people not a particular region. Just because there is some oil under a piece of dirt does not give any more rights to those living above it. National wealth belongs to all Iranians. 

I don't know who Tatchell is and do not give a *** about him. Nor do I care what Amnesty says. I know IRI is making lives of all Iranians miserable. Real Iranians stand together. As for Khuzestan population they are all Iranians not Arabs. There are some of Arab descent but they are Iranians. I know your orders are to create as much trouble as possible. I am not buying it. Go find some other place to sell your wares. Iranians are wise to AIPAC tricks. We don't like IRI or separatist trouble makers.

One thing: I am no fan of Ebadi either. So don't bother quoting her for me. I think for myself and do not need Tatchel; Ebadi or NIAC to instruct me.


Simorgh5555

VPK -

by Simorgh5555 on

Please stop trying to create hostility among Iranians. 

 Must be the new orders from AIPAC.

 

 

er, no. Try NIAC instead. Look what the NIAC poster girl Shirin Ebadi has to say: 

Ebadi draws UN attention to crackdown on protests in Ahvaz

 

//www.radiozamaneh.com/english/content/ebadi-draws-un-attention-crackdown-protests-ahvaz

 

 

Tell me, VPK, when was Shirin Ebadi in the pocket of AIPAC?

 

 

And she isn't the only LEFT WING and Israeli critic campaigner acknowledging discrimination against ARABS worse than Palestinians.

See Peter Tatchell:

 

 //ahwaziblogger.blog.com/2011/04/30/arab-protests-spread-to-iran/

 

Amnesty International has called for an independent and impartial investigation into the killings. //tiny.cc/o16mg It cites reports that over 200 Arab activists and community leaders were arrested in advance of the protests in a bid to thwart them.

 

“Arabs comprise 70% of the population of the south-west province of Khuzestan, which the Arabs call Ahwaz.  Iran’s abuse of its Ahwazi Arab population is far worse than the Israeli abuse of Palestinian Arabs, yet it provokes little international outrage and no protests in the Arab or western world.

“This abuse includes the execution of Arab rights campaigners, most of whom are convicted solely on the basis of confessions extracted under torture and after unfair trials that have been condemned by Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch.

“Ahwazi Arab political parties, trade unions and student groups are illegal. Arab candidates have been barred from standing for election. The moderate reformist Wefagh Party was banned for expressing Arab grievances, despite using lawful and constitutional means.

“Ahwaz produces 90% of Iran’s oil and 10% of OPEC’s global output. Tehran expropriates 100% of oil revenues. A bid by Ahwaz MPs to secure the repatriation of a mere 1.5% of these earnings back to the region for expenditure on social welfare projects has been rejected four times by the Iranian government. The result? Ahwaz is the region of Iran with the third greatest level of poverty,” said Mr Tatchell.

 

 


Reality-Bites

Exactly what Shiela said

by Reality-Bites on

Israel pushes on with settlement plans on annexed land? So, what do you expect us to do about it?

China has been occupying Tibet for decades. Morroco has been occupying Western Saharra for decades. Russia has been occupying Chechnia for decades. India has (supposedly) been occupying Kashmir for decades etc etc.

Why should the case of Palestinians be of any more importance or any of Iran's business than those mentioned above? The only occupation that should concern Iranians is that by the brutal and repressive Islamic Republic over the country of Iran.

If the plight of Palestinians is more important to you than the plight of Iranians, then by all means go and help and fight for the Palestinians and leave Iranian websites for people who wish to discuss Iran and what is happening to the people of Iran.


Sheila K

SO?

by Sheila K on

why should Iranians care about Israel and its settlements? 


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Simorgh

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

Please stop trying to create hostility among Iranians. 

The business about names has been around for a long time. I personally do not care what people name their kids. They may choose "Moon Unit" as Frank Zappa did for all I care. But I remember that Western names were also banned. You had to pick an approved named. In fact many Persian names are also banned by IRI. So it is not an Arab issue. It is a rights issue that affects all Iranians.

Regarding so called independence. Reason is obvious. Khuzestan has a lot of oil and the Arabs want it. By Arabs I do not mean Iranian Arabs I mean the pan Arabists. By your logic then the Shia Arabs in Iraq should want to join with Iran. How about the Shai Arabs and others in Bahrain? See you are deliberately trying to create division among Iranians. Must be the new orders from AIPAC.

As for "self determination" no I do not support what you call self determination. By that logic Lincoln would have let USA disintegrate. For your information Lincoln is considered the greatest of Presidents. Because he kept the union in tact.

From my point of view all Iranians are part of Iran. Those who sow dissent of enemies of Iran. Shia; Sunni; Bahai; Christian; Zartoshti; Jew or whatever is Iranian first in my book. We are all Iranians and love our nation. You are free to disagree.

I am not making alliance with Molla. I happen to be honest. If Molla is right I will say so. Most the time he is not. I said in my post that Molla posts in support of IR and I do not support IR. I do not base my agreement on who the person is. I base it on whether in my opinion they are right. In some cases Molla is right often he is wrong. You should come out and admit that your are the voice of AIPAC. Why be shy about it? 


Simorgh5555

IMF

by Simorgh5555 on

تخم حرام

So you finally except Khuzestan is part of Iran forever? And who inified Khuzestan and made it an inseperanle sovereign territory of.Iran?
REZA SHA THE GREAT!
The Emperor of Persia demonised by Khomeini and the regime you support.
And look at you, you miserable wretch! What have you and your pathetic Islamic regime done for Iran? You lice and breathe for Palestine.


Simorgh5555

VPK

by Simorgh5555 on

The grievance of Arab Iranians is the same if not greater than the Palestinians. The entire region of what is known as Khuzetan was called ARABESTAN and the population of that region was run by an ARAB sheikh and the majority spoke ARABIC as their native tongue for the last 700 years. They are also Arabic by descent and custom.
Do you not believe in the right of self-determinatiom? They do not want to speak Farsi or be ruled by the central Iranian government and neither had it been for 700.years before Reza Shah. What arrogance to suggest that you can usurp the will of the population who strongly want to join their Arab brethren?l
When you knock Amnesty you soud like Ayhatollah Khomeini when he called Amnesty 'Travesty International'.
Why are Arab pro-independence groups forming and if they had such a swell time in Iran then why the animosity towards the IR? Who are you to tell them that they cannot be called Yazid Abu Bakir or any other Arab names of their choice. There is lositive discrimination towards Arabs otherwise your suggestion that the regime is only targetimg non Shia is like saying Israel only discriminates against non Jews but is happy to accept Ethiopian, Sudanese and Yemeni Jews who are ethnically not Jewish but only Jewish by religion.
Honestly VPK apart from supporting NIAC, Trita Parsi and making alliances with Mola Nasradeen what else do.you wish to reveal about yourself. You surprise me.


vildemose

Congratulations IMF!

by vildemose on

RG: Indeed, it's a sad state of affairs when we have to consider IMF as our role model to give a hoot about our own country.

Congrats IMF! You've done your people and country proud.


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

IMF and Israel

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

Neither one gives a damn about Iran. IMF is worried about his people the Palestinians. Israel is worried about its own power over ME. Both want to involve Iran in their issues. IR is also not worried about Iran. They side with IMF.

That is what we got now. A lesson to those who spent the 60s and 70s undermining the Shah. For all his problems and corruption he was worried about Iran. As someone pointed out Iran had the 5th largest military in the world. That meant no one dared mess with us. Khorramshahr would not have been laid waste. Nor would millions of Iranians be dead or displaced. Next time if we do get a chance lets remember. A person who care about Iran even a dictator is better than IR; IMF or Israel and its puppets.


vildemose

You have successfully

by vildemose on

You have successfully managed to focus and polarize some Iranian readers' opinion on Palistinian cause, whilst ordinary Iranians are living in their own land under many times worse conditions than palistinians "under zionist occupation"

Well done. And may one day, the Iranian friends here would learn from you and focus on Iran and it's people instead of .

Agreed. He could not care less about Iran. He would sacrifice lives of millions of brainwashed Iranians for his piece of land in Palestine. With friends like this who needs enemies.


Roozbeh_Gilani

IranMilitaryForum: You should be a role model for all of us...

by Roozbeh_Gilani on

here.

You are here every day, relentlessly arguing and campaigning for your people, the palistinian people. You are hoping and arguing for a war between Iran and Israel, because you perceive that to be benefitial to your people, the palistinian people. You have successfully managed to focus and polarize some Iranian readers' opinion on Palistinian cause, whilst ordinary Iranians are living in their own land under many times worse conditions than palistinians "under zionist occupation"

Well done. And may one day, the Iranian friends here would learn from you and focus on Iran and it's people instead of all the in fighting and obsessions with foreign conflicts which have absolutely nothing to do with Iran and it's people. 

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Arab Iranians.

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

In Iran the Arabs population is treated like any other citizen (like *** :-) The IRI treats all non Shia badly. It is not because they are Arabs. Plus their property is not confiscated and they do not singled out for their race.

In fact an Arab Shia will be treated like anyone else. The top commander of Iranian forces against Iraq in the war was an Iranian Arab. Regarding the language Arabic is not Iranian official language so what? But Arabic is a required subject in school.

It really gets me mad when people try to foment discord and trouble. Iran has enough problems. Israel has decided to add to them. Any sympathy I once had for Israel vanished when they got in bed with MEK and Ms. Rajavi.


default

Simourgh our

by IranMilitaryForum.net on

toleh Zionist thug spoke again. how many times this bisavade kodan has proved he is not here for Iran and Iranians but to imbedded to create divisions and hatred between Iranians so the Zionist entity can sit back and enjoy the destructive show.

Needless to say, the Zionist entity itself is being slowly but surely gaining acceptance in the world as being a racist apartheid and terrorist nation and as such must go, one way or other!

Simourgh, arrogance knows no limits. No amount of sugar coating such as using ancient Iranian avatar names could wash your ugly thuggery away or hide.

You are what you are here, a pathetic miserable Zionist thug working to protect bunch Zio-Terrorists. I keep telling you, Iranians are not Arabs, they are a whole different challenge for Zio-Terrorists as you have been witnessing on daily basis. Iranians will hand you and your brothers/sisters in Zionist entity the justice you deserve........soon.

Stay tuned!

;-)

 


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Simorgh

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

Who said I supported repatriation of Palestinians? Show me one post where I said it. My position is Israel should keep its land and Iran should keep its.

Amnesty has little credibility with me. They are another British front. They pretend to be for "himan rights" when it suites them. Is there discrimination in Iran: yes. Is there discrimination in other nations including Arab ones: yes. That is human nature.

Why should Iran give up land because Amnesty said it. Amnesty could *** off and should mind its own business. I do not like separatists and IR has every right to oppose them. In fact I would do the same thing. 

Why should Arabic be the official language of any Iranian region? Is spanish official language of USA? There are many parts where spanish is the majority language. By your reasoning much of southern USA should go to Mexico. Well it is not going to be. 

They used that nonsense to break up Serbia and created a huge problem. Serbian churches burned in Kosovo. Serbian people chased out of their homes. And the biggest gangster nation in the middle of Europe. 

Before you accuse me of positions I do not hold at least bother to ask. 


Simorgh5555

VPK

by Simorgh5555 on

The point is if.you support all Palestinians to be repatriated to Israel and the dismantling of the Jewish state then you also habe to support the break up of Khuzestan. Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone.
Khuzestani claims for separation from Iran, which I do.not support, is no more legitimate than that of Palestinians.
Here are plain facts:
1) Khuzestan has had a majority and hisotically Arab majority in Khuzestan. It has been the epicentre of Suni Islamic life going back to the Umayid Caliphate in the 7th centruy AD
2) It had an autonomous rule for 700 years under its own sheikhdom and Arabic language was mainly if not exclusively spoken
3) They have lived their life entirely in accordance with bedouin traditions and customs
4) Since Reza Shah came into power he deposed the last and much loved ruler of Khuzestan which was called ARABESTAN for 700 years upheaving centuries of traditional rule and a much loved tribal ruler.
4) Their autonomy has been taken away and run by a central Iranian government which has confiscated land and transported non-Iranians
5) The population can no longer have pure Arabic names especially those such as Omar and Yazid which are offensive to Shia
6) Arabic language is no longer the official language of the region
7) Amnesty and HRW have highlighted widespread discrimination in employment and publc offices on account of being Arabs and black.
8) Opposition movememts and groups seeking independence of Khuzestan and renaming it to Arabestan have been cracked down and its supporters tortured and executed.
Do you want me to go further?
Don't hold standards for.Israel which are not acceptanle for you.


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Simorgh

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

I don't want either Israel or Iran to give up its land to anyone. Israel had that land for many thousands of years. I am looking at a coin from Samaria right now. It does not say "Palestine". It was minted 2500 years ago by Jews in Samaria.

I also have seen coins minted in Khuzestan by Iranians. That land belongs to Iran. Not Arabia. In fact the only real Arab land is the Arabian peninsula. So don't get IR mixed up with Iran. The IR leadership does not care about Iran or Arabs.


Simorgh5555

VPK

by Simorgh5555 on

Hold on. Please don't shout me down. I am.plauing devils advocate. I would have hoped that you would see the irony of it. The same Palestinains who call for Israel to give up land are arguably the same Khuzestanis who claim Iran has stolen Arab land. The IR has no right to judge Israel on this matter.


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Simorgh Says

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on


Please support Arab minorities in Iran by calling for Military Action.

That one statement is enough for me to oppose any military action. Am I totally insane to support breakup of my nation? I am all for rights of Iranian Arabs as a part of Iran. But Khuzistan is not Arab land it is Iranian land. It has Iranians of Arab heritage living there. They are welcome and many of them better Iranians than the ones on IC!  What customs are they prevented from practicing? 


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Arab Land?

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

What Arab land. Khizistan was part of Iran for over 3000 years. The only Arab land it Arabia aka Sauid occupied Arab land. Now Israel wants to separate Iranian land. Kheili rooton ziyadeh! 

If Isreael is so worried about Arabs why not dissolve and become Arab itself? I am kidding :-) But seriously I rather see no more land given to Arabs they got enough already. As for Sunni vs Shia it is all BS anyway. They are both made up "religions". I would not spend more than a few seconds on the whole joke. Iran is not a religion it is a nation and Khuzistan is a part of it. So is at least half of Iraq and much of Afghanistan and many other regions. No thanks Israeli are over reaching once again.

I have a better solution. There are millions of Persian speaking Afghan refugees in Iran. IRI wants to deport them. Instead I say give them citizenship. With one condition: they move to Khuzistan. Change the demographics so there are more Persian speakers. Then any "referendum"picks Iran as its choice. No more BS like they pulled on Serbia. At least IRI had the good sense not to recognize separation of Kosovo.


Simorgh5555

Arab land in the form of

by Simorgh5555 on

Arab land in the form of Khuzestan has already been annexed by Iran and its local Arab sunni population are routinely discriminated against and are forbidden from practising their local Arab customs and traditions. Furthermore, arrable land used by Arabs has been confiscated and Iranians from other regions have been relocated to settle on these lands.
Israel needs no lesson from an Islamic cyber thug about how to treat its Arab neighbours. I will say one thing though you can find Sunni mosques built in every major city including the capital city Tel Aviv. A Sunni Muslim caanot even build a mosque in Tehran.
Please support Arab minorities in Iran by calling for Military Action.