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Obama..

is sitting on a hot seat just about one floor down from Kennedy's during theCuban Nissile Crisis.

and he ain't losin' his cool.

Publicly, that is.

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No, Fish, there is no point where there should be intervention. The unrest is local, not national.It's an issue of state sovereignty.US or NATO intervention would bring us back to the 

Stone Ages of Bushism.

Even if ther were an equitable UN with 'teeth' to go in and take care of dire vioent situations, there are far worse,far worse. Forgetting Afghanistan and Iraq, there's Darfur and Sri Lanka. This is small change on the attrocities scale.

And there won't be a full scale civil war. Too much wheeling an dealing going on in the backgroun. There will be a compromise. There will be some structural changes in the theocratic side of the  Constitution. The hardliners willl have to cede some major things. But the rest will have to come through that good ol' "evolution". I just fed something I called 'Heading toward a full scale comprolution".

Maybe I'm right andvmaybevI'm wrong. But the same could be said of anyone...

well, ok then

You know what I was reaching for!  It just came across as a little too much like the "western thug" attitude.  So when did you and kurush get to be best friends...:-0

Rosie said it best.  Of course no one is going to agree with this issue either.  Either they want us to stay completely out of it or they want us to jump in and get rid of the mullahs.  Not much inbetween there.  I'm firmly on the "stay out of it" side until.  Until what?  Not sure what or when that is.  But I asked this elsewhere.  Is there a time at which you believe the US should intervene?  Who or where would the call for help come from?  And how far should we go?  Just aksin'.

You know something, Kaveh

youa nd I agree on this.

Yet in some sense Congress passing this resolution served to highlight that Obama himself is resolute.

At a measured pace and with dignity his condemnation of the human rights depredations got stronger and stronger but still he draws the line between that and politic.s.

While in reality the distinction is murky at best, it's wise (and savvy) rhetoric.

No, I'n not your new Kermit Roosevelt.

No I'm not.

Yes,  you can go it alone. You can forge your own political destiny.

Yes you can.

Fishie Dear

It's not about the support from you, or my neighbors or friends or total strangers. Not at all.

It's about how support from official channels will be twisted by the IR. 

The other day I heard of all people, Pat Buchanan, say that support should be quiet.

I think all of us know that there's support and dare I say, it's palpable.By saying shut the f*** up, I'm saying I want the support to remain "our little secret". 

Kaveh

What do you mean... be silent and shut the fuck up?  Was I supposed to stay home while husband went to the protest?  I can't for the life of me understand what you're trying to say.  I'm absolutely against any involvement by the US or ANY foreign power.  Not until our help is asked for.  If it's not... all the better.  If it's NEEDED, I hope the US will stand ready to help our friends, the Iranian PEOPLE.  But what is this shut the fuck up all about?  Regardless of the bullshit rhetoric from the regime, the mere support of the Iranian people after 9-11 did more to help relations than could possibly be known.  Just knowing they cared made a difference.  I'm missing something here.

Kourosh/Darius

Personally what I think is old is the IR using the US. UK, and whoever else as the default cause of all the world's problems.

I truly think the support is great, from wherever it may originate. But by not wanting anything "official" in that regard, I just want to remove that default position the IR goes to every single time.

Perfect

The notion that iranians back home do not need the support of US and other countries with their struggles, and how it will be utilized as an excuse for the regime and how it can be used against iranians, is getting old. For your information, They have a long list of all the excuses that  they need to repress and curtail the movement, As we recently witnessed (took them less than 48 hours to bring out the guns), why would they be looking for other excuses? To make matters even more absolutely clear, Mr. rahbare azam, issued the final verdict yesterday as to how demonstrators will be dealth with, if they want to drag this on.

So please don't play the "playing into the hands of IRI" And "an excuse for more elaborate crackdown on people" card. That is the sign of fear and mistrust of the international community.

It really does not make sense to be appreciative of such attention, yet ask that it be done from a distance and in silence. What is the use?

If The idea is to leave this in the hands of people and you want them to take the lead and bring this movement into fruition, that is fine, but go back and double check all the clips you have seen this past week and see what the consequences are when we go it alone and turn our back to any kind of official and effective support, that kind that really matters and can make a difference.

Kaveh & Rosie I disagree ...

Whatever America Says or Not Say I am afraid that there will be Blood ...  

We All Know that the events have gone too far anyways for the establishment so might as well get a Public International Stance on what is taking place in Iran in support of the People and NOT the Regime.

They are UNQUALIFIED To Speak in Anyone's name and certainly Not the Interests of the People.

Now Only a Revolution can pave the way Out of this mess These Revolutionaries Created for Themselves.

Its a SAD REALITY !

I Pray that There will be No Bloodshed

But I'm Afraid Its Now Up to FATE and DESTINY to Lead the Way to Freedom and Democracy ! ...

Look Obama barely said boo and right

away the Swiss intermediary was summoned by IRI to chastise  US for meddling. If you look at the link, on the thread of the link I gave below ,you wiill see how Obama tried to get the House to soften the tone of the resolution.

Not Good

I would much rather that every American just respectfully shut the f**k up on the issue.

It is not that their support isn't appreciated, because it most certainly is. I simply don't want to see Khamenei or anyone else use it as a "weapon" against the protestors.

The IR is just looking for an excuse, and with the accuracy and reliability of a Swiss watch, the U.S. has obliged, regardless of which is the majority party. When it comes to playing into the IR's hands, it has been more often that not a bipartisan effort.

U.S. support is welcome, but please do so silently and from a distance, if the respect for the people is sincere.

Relevant.

//iranian.com/main/news/2009/06/19/ron-paul-sole-dissenter-resolution-supporting-iranian-protests

Links on my comments on thread also relevant.

Why Don't You Guys Ask Permission From the Rahbar ? ;0)

Might As Well Know What We WANT !

Tu veux ou tu veux pas ?

Tu veux ou tu veux pas
Toi tu dis noir et après tu dis blanc
C'est noir c'est noir
Oui mais si c'est blanc c'est blanc
C'est noir ou blanc
Mais ce n'est pas noir et blanc
C'est comme ci ou comme ça
Ou tu veux ou tu veux pas

La vie, oui c'est une gymnastique
Et c'est comme la musique
Y a du mauvais et du bon
La vie, pour moi elle est magnifique
Faut pas que tu la compliques
Par tes hésitations

Tu veux ou tu veux pas
Tu veux c'est bien
Si tu veux pas tant pis
Si tu veux pas
Je n'en ferai pas une maladie
Oui mais voilà réponds-moi
Non ou bien oui
C'est comme ci ou comme ça
Ou tu veux ou tu veux pas

La vie, elle peut être très douce
A condition que tu la pousses
Dans la bonne direction
La vie, elle est là elle nous appelle
Avec toi elle sera belle
Si tu viens à la maison

Tu veux ou tu veux pas ? hein !
Quoi ? Ah ! tu dis oui
Ah ! a a a a a a a
Et ben moi j'veux plus !
Ouh ! la la

Then Might as Well Surrender to Khamenei's Dictate ! ...

I have NO PROBLEM with this Resolution. The French President Sarkozy went the Furthest in condemning the IRI and to the great enthusiasm of French Iranians !

Makhmalbaf and Satrapi Addressing the EU Parliament on Iran's presidential election:

French Intellectuals (philosopher  Bernard Henri Levi, former Socialist Culture minister Jack Lang, writer Malek Halter )have also joined those Iranians condemning the IRI's stance and violence :

//actu.voila.fr/actualites/france/photos/2009/06/19/rassemblements-de-soutien-aux-opposants-iraniens-a-paris-et-strasbourg.html

I DON'T EXPECT MIRACLES FROM THIS STATEMENT BUT I SALUTE THE PRINCIPLE THAT THEY STAND BY THE IRANIANS PEOPLE LEGITIMATE STRUGGLE FOR FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY ! 

It was submitted by equally Democrats ( Their Initiative actually) and Republican Senators.

You Can't Play Cat's and Dog's with Your Principles as a Nation that claims to be a Beacon of Hope and Democracy since its Inception.

If YOU are worried about the Coup of 53 Issue ... 

I tell YOU STRAIGHT: Khamenei, Ahmadinejad or ANY OTHER IRI Goony ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO SPEAK IN THE NAME OF DR. MOSSADEGH:

//www.flickr.com/photos/fhashemi/sets/72157619758530748/show/

As an Iranian American I am happy to see that this Resolution was voted by ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES unlike the Goonies at NIAC/AIC

Dr. Bakhtiar on Regime Change and what the Role of the West should be:

N'En Deplaise A Monsieur Zbigniew Brzezinski ! See Here

IRAN HARGUEZ NAKHAHAD MORD ! -Shahpour Bakhtiar

My Opinion Too,

DK

If US House Members Have the Balls to ....

If these homo idiots in US house of rep and senate think they have the balls and anyone listens to them, why weren't them defending the right of Americans in 2000 and 2004 when George Bush got elected by the order of a court (not the vote of the people). Where were they to speak up?

AWFUL news

This will back fire and play right into the hands of the pro-Ahmadinejad types who say the demonstrators are western-backed anti-revolutionaries.
We DO NOT NEED the US' support. What the hell good does that do anyway? Can someone explain? No they can't. There is NO GOOD that can come out of this. I hope the idiot Tehrangelesies are happy. Only pee-brains like them would seek US backing of the protestors.

And the no vote was...

Ron Paul.

Not enough by a long shot

This and alike symbolic actions are feel good moves that carry with them all the propaganda mileage the Islamists can use and by themselves alone have no practical value to the enslaved Iranians.

Tighten the sanction screws, block the Islamists’ bank accounts, shut down their intelligence centers in the West and with unrelenting moral and material support help the oppressed Iranians who empty-handed are facing a cutthroat Islamist regime.

call me skeptic !

I am not sure Darius Jan though. Call me an skeptic but I think moves like  these could be counter productive to people on the streets of Iran.

Regime could easily use this as conspiracy by powers and crack down on citizens.

Thanks though for the thread

-YT

Republican idiots

hamino kam dashtim

Passing a non-binding resolution is like...

passing gas. The congress does these feel-good stuff to show it is involved, that's all.

Darius, I wish I were as easy to please you are. I am filled with envy.