Bill Moyers: Since Biblical times God-soaked violence became genetically coded into Jews
Bill Moyers Journal/ Augean Stables
15-Jan-2009 (18 comments)

On January 9, 2009, Bill Moyers presented his thoughts on the Gaza situation.In it he (apparently) couldn’t resist connecting it to biblical issues. And in doing so, he revealed an appalling, and for someone steeped in biblical interpretation, inexcusably vicious reading of the texts.

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Zion

Remember Bill Moyers?

by Zion on

He is the same guy whose enlightened "video" had a kingly reception here a while ago. Any surprises?


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Ostaad

Zion(ist), you should worry about it.

by Ostaad on

You posted, "I don't think this war is going to be a long one. So I wouldn't worry about it."

Don't you think Hitler and other Nazis thought exactly the same saying to themselves, there are not THAT many Jews, they all will be dead soon so I wouldn't worry about it?

I have news for you and other Nazis, this war is NOT going to ve over soon, and once it is the war crime trials will start.


Zion

Dear Anonymous112

by Zion on

What do you expect me to say in response to the kind of idiotic rubbish he has been quoted as saying?

Give me a break! What is it that these guys ever done that really benefited Israel anyway, except to give meaningless excuses for antisemites to bash her? Israel goes through so much, so many of her best youth are put in harms way and sacrificed to ensure the minimum possible civilian casualty, and then you have the chief rabbi issues such nonsense. What is it to him anyways? It's not as if they or their yeshiva pupils serve in the military anyway. If they are such tough guys, why is it they hold so tight to their military exemptions for all these years. It is easy to live off the blood and sweat of everyone else in the country and issue such nonsense every once in a while.

The same type of people used to call great men like Ben-Gurion "dirty Jews" before. Or for that matter anyone who brought any new idea, scholarly, social, political etc. into the Jewish community an apikoros, be it Spinoza or Herzl or whoever. Lashon Hara or Lashon Hatov, the truth is most such rabbis are just a royal pain in the tuchus.


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who are you anyway. are you

by hk (not verified) on

who are you anyway. are you a member of jewish defence or a radical jew. you should read president carter' s book on israel with open mind. I don' t believe in god or religion but you are too much not seeing human suffering in current situation. shame on you


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Bill Moyers Mirror

by John Baptist (not verified) on

The intentional mass killings of defenseless populations is a standard practice of the Israel military. Israel's bloody history is filled with such heinous crimes.

The depth and breadth of Israeli crimes perplexes fair-minded people's minds all over the world as they attempt to comprehend and digest the reasons behind such Israeli barbarism. Civilized minds are compelled to look deeper into the history and traditions of Israel. Bill Moyers has simply held the mirror of Jewish biblical history of violence in front of us. One can look into that mirror and see oneself, or one can refuse to look and break the mirror into pieces.

Looking into the mirror will reveal us to ourselves and will teach us, if we open our minds and hearts, that violence begets violence.

Isreal, since its inception, has always chosen to break the mirror. A broken mirror shatters into pieces. The angry, hateful face of Israel is now reflecting off a thousand mirrors.


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Chief Rabbi

by Anonymous112 (not verified) on

It is important that those who really want to defend Israel stop the Lashon Hara against Israel's rabbis.


Zion

My dear Anonym7

by Zion on

I assure you it is simply impossible to become a more open minded person after being exposed to what you call Iranian left and... ehem..."humanists", like the ones that roam around in this website.


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Zion

by Anonym7 (not verified) on

Zion says: "He just makes irrelevant nonsense rants every once in a while .."

Zion_jAn, then you must be a chief rabbi [albeit a secularist chief rabbi]!?
Anyhow, good to know that you don't think like Elyahu despite all your extremist views, ...maybe you have become a more open minded person after being exposed to ideas of Iranian left and humanists, as well as respected DW.


Zion

Not long

by Zion on

I don't think this war is going to be a long one. So I wouldn't worry about it. Take care! ;-)


Anonymous Observer

Not Just Israel

by Anonymous Observer on

but ANYONE who uses it in that manner....Zion, you know that I am not an Israel basher...I am disappointed and sickened by this war, and I think that Israel was wrong in its attack on a defenseless civilian population...you and I have debated this before, and we disagree on it...let's look forward to the day that we can agree again..:-)


Zion

Sure

by Zion on

It is not illegal but when Israel does it, it becomes a war crime by definition. I got it. Thanks.


Anonymous Observer

Zion

by Anonymous Observer on

I'm glad that you think he is a**hole as well.  No, it does not justify anti-Semitism (which is something that I have always fought against on this site as you know).  I was just pointing out that there are idiots everywhere. 

As far as the ammunitaion used, it is not illegal.  However, its use in densely populated area is really not permitted under the laws of war.  Here's and excerpt from Human Rights watch's article on it:

" Israel appeared to be using white phosphorus as an "obscurant" (a chemical used to hide military operations), a permissible use in principle under international humanitarian law (the laws of war). However, white phosphorus has a significant, incidental, incendiary effect that can severely burn people and set structures, fields, and other civilian objects in the vicinity on fire. The potential for harm to civilians is magnified by Gaza's high population density, among the highest in the world. " 

Here's a link to the entire piece:

//www.hrw.org/en/news/2009/01/10/israel-stop-unlawful-use-white-phosphorus-gaza

Same thing with israel's use of 155 mm artillery shells in Gaza, which cause massive civilian casualties.  While 155 mm artillery is legal, its use in densely populated areas is against international laws of war because it causes indiscriminate casulaties in the civilian population.  Here's the link on that issue from HRW:

 //www.hrw.org/en/news/2009/01/16/israel-stop-shelling-crowded-gaza-city

 


Zion

Dear Anonymous Observer

by Zion on

I doubt the Rabbi would mention anything about genetically coded violence in Jewish blood. That was really the main red flag to reveal the stink behind people like Moyers.
What is more, the chief Rabbi is not the one who plans attacks or decides policies. He just makes irrelevant nonsense rants every once in a while [That is what chief rabbis do. :-)]
This particular stuff is also one of them which only proves the chief sephardic rabbi is a total a**hole. Nothing else.

How does that change anything about the antisemitic garbage that comes out of the likes of Moyers? Or what the enthusiastic endorsement of such characters really reveal about people in this website?
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BTW, while I am here can I also bring into your attention my other news contribution about another false propaganda here?
//iranian.com/main/news/2009/01/15/intern...


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he IS a smart man

by Anonymous8 (not verified) on

knowing how much Zionists like to lie, doesn't change this.


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DW Duke: Thanks

by andimeshk (not verified) on

DW Duke: Thanks for the thread. Hadn't read it. Extremely interesting.


KB

Moyers will get the Zionist treatment..

by KB on

As we have seen many times before, anyone saying anything against Israel will get the Zionist treatment. This will include him being called all sorts of names, him receiving threats and insults. In the end Moyers will either apologize for what he said or get fired.

Robert Fisk will vouch for this.

 This is how "you" people operate Zion.


Anonymous Observer

Dear Zion

by Anonymous Observer on

no one should draw parallels between biblical (or Quranic) gibberish and modern events.  That's when we get to the realm of indiscriminate killings, wars and genocide.  Bin Laden and the like are guilty of these crimes against humanity.  But to be fair to Mr. Moyers, and on the issue of continuity, didn't the former Israeli chief rabbi do the same thing here where he tried to justify the indiscriminate killing of Gaza civilians by quoting biblical stories?

//www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1180527966693&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull


DW Duke

Religion in Israeli Politics

by DW Duke on

Here is a thread with a very strange conversation about religion's influence in Israel's government that took place here at Iranian.com.  Ironically, it started the day before Israel invaded Gaza.

//iranian.com/main/blog/javad-yassari/peres-obama-dont-talk-iran-yet