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IRI "IS" Iranian government

IRI "IS" Iranian government but does not represent Iranian interests for many obvious reasons and the number one reason is disregarding every bit of people's basic rights. It is silly to justify crimes of Islamic regime against Iranian people by resorting to comparison with behaviors of other governments elsewhere. If you, as an immigrant who was not born in the place that you live in, are sitting in the United States or UK and criticising their government on anything you wish without being persecuted for what you say or write, then comparing the Islamic government in Iran with the one in US or UK is nothing but stupid! At least they don't imprison you for having written something in your blog or said something in defence of even al-qaeda and blaming the government for all the crimes which they may or may not have a role in them!

Denying this obvious fact that Islamic regime is ruling the nation through imposition of a system of terror and extreme brutality and suppression is closing your eys to everyday reality in Iran! Discussing brutality of this or that government is not done through comparison because suppression and brutality against any people is not accepted in any way no matter if another government is worse or better! Even if you want to make such comparison then this matter should be taken into consideration that at least western governments have a system which allows the voice of someone accused of terrorist activities to be heard by the world instead of killing them in masses and putting them in mass graves and not letting even their relatives know about their grave!

There is no justification for horrible crimes committed by Islamic regime agaisnt people of Iran under guise and with the excuse of protecting Islam no matter how many people have been imprisoned in guantanamo or other places by others!

Shini head, please scroll

Shini head, please scroll down and see who mentioned Texas’ name first.  

Re: Shinie head, you’re

FK,

We were not comparing texas with Iran, you were. That was the reason I said you are compaing Apples with Oranges. You again as usual missed it! Now go back and take English 101 again, or back to the kintergarden. On th eother hand, you may have a serious comprehension problem, in which case nothing can help you (then go become W's neighbor!)

Just never mind.

Q, I’m glad to see that

Q, I’m glad to see that you guys are coming to a desperation point. if you weren’t, you would not make outrageous facts up.

If we wanna have a mature discussion, we need to stop making up things. I know you guys are basically incapable of not twisting facts, but nonetheless, there is a difference between executing juveniles when they are juveniles, and executing juveniles after they pass the legal age limit for crimes committed when they were juveniles. Do you understand that? I disagree with both, but, I don’t make absurd comparisons like that either.

Furthermore, Texas is one out of 50 states in the nation, Iran’s inhumane laws applies to 70 million desperate Iranians who love under this brutal regime. In America, there are states that adopt gay marriage and unions, and have no death penalty and are in the process of legalizing medical marijuana and …... Please name me one, only one, province in Iran that does that?

So, you’re attempt out of desperation to make these comparisons only signifies the fact that you guys are running out of gas in your support of the regime.

Shinie head, you’re

Shinie head, you’re wrong.

First off, the topic of this discussion is Iran, not Texas. So the deliberate attempt to change the subject is a trick used by IRI supporters, like you, to rationalize regime’s irrational actions. Its also a sick obsession with the U.S. like the type that “I can’t be like it, so I’m gonna bash it”. Many Iranians have that tendency.

Second, I already made comparisons between Texas and Iran. Any attempt to put the two in the same basket, is comical, to say it very mildly. So I’m not gonna do that again. Actually, I made few comparisons, the differences are apparent for most people around the world. Look, many people are upset from Bush and from Texas where he’s from, but it is only IRI supporters Iranians, not even all Islamists, who make these absurd arguments that “well IRI executes juveniles, and Texas has some criminal laws, so they’re the same !”. They are a world apart, as a matter of fact, Iran is world apart from many Muslim countries who have adopted many human rights concepts in their laws, countries such as Lebanon, Egypt, Morocco, Malaysia, Indonesia, Iraq, Afghanistan,,,.

By the way, again, only IRI supporters like you actually believe there is a process for “running for office” in Iran. Actually, I take that back, many IRI supporters themselves have said the presidential “selections” are not free. The world knows how oppressive the regime in Iran is. Look at any human rights reports that comes out of anybody, whether it is an Ngo, or U.N, or governments, or groups,,you name it, in all of them, Iran is one of the top oppressive and undemocratic governments in the world. But nonetheless, the claim that “16 years old Iranians can run for office” comes out of someone who I don’t think does not understand the process necessarily, but rather, is outrageously making ideologically driven statements in favor of the IRI.

Like I told you before, who are you trying to fool?

On IRI apologists like Q on this website

On Systematic Execution of Minors in Iran:

'Get off this silly notion that IRI is not Iran's government. If IRI is not Iran's government, Iran has NEVER had a government in history, with the possible exception of 1951-53. Since every other one was a dictatorship and in fact LESS democratic than the current one...
We may not agree, but Iran has decided 16 year olds are adults. They can run for office and decide the next President by voting and they can also stand for crimes they have committed...
If Iranians feel like they should make the age higher just because that's what most Western countries do, that's one thing, but to continuously cry foul over criminals and murderous "juveniles" actually trivializes the issue.'

On Khomeini:

'(his) Every word is correct... I know, this somehow still means he's "filth".
Classic case of not thinking straight, and not listening. Such is the rationale of some Iranian friends...The reality is that he was a rational, calculated man and responded accordingly...When pro-War forces try to say IRI is "irrational", this is the perfect response...the only man in our lifetime who actually stopped a real arab take over of our country.'

So Q, you still want to deny you are an IRI apologist living in US? It sure explains your rabid anti-semitism among other things, or the constant, almost psychopathic anger you express all over this site.
Why really are you living here?

It is your type who give Iranians a bad image around the world. It is because of people like you that ordinary decent Iranians are labeled as terrorists and terrorist supporters, are denied visas, are stereotyped....

It's just amazing that after all your likes have done to them inside Iran and outside, they still tolerate jerks like you among themselves.

(It's a shame, for instance, that many talented Iranian youth are denied visa while someone like you is so easily allowed to live here. Makes one wonder what the heck they are doing in those damn embassies?)

Shamse Vazir,

I don't disagree with anything. It does NOT make it right that Texas executes children, but it DOES make Kashani a hypocrite, IF he says he is concerned about underage children, yet he is apparently not concerned with American ones.

It is an Iranian definition, just like a similar definition in France is "French" definition and not "The 5th Republic's" definition. Get off this silly notion that IRI is not Iran's government. If IRI is not Iran's government, Iran has NEVER had a government in history, with the possible exception of 1951-53. Since every other one was a dictatorship and in fact LESS democratic than the current one.

"political activism" is obviously a label for one side of the story. "Terrorism" is probably how it is described on the other side. Espionage, and conspiracy to overthrow the goverment is a capital offense in all western countries. US has executed people just for this crime, and there are teenagers who have been held prisoner in Guantanimo Bay for 7 years now. This guy got 5 years, with a parole after 3 years. This is very comparable for juvenile justice elsewhere in the world.

I'm not making a judgement one way or other which means he might be in fact guilty of the crimes charged.

Shinie Head

You are the one who is missing the point!

A sixteen-year old does not need to vote, nor does he/she need to run for office!

A sixteen-year old is a child and must be let to live like a child.

One day he is used as a voting number, the mockery that "raay-e avvali-ha" is in Iran, another day she is married off, another day he is hung for a crime, and when the need arises on yet another day, he is sent to the warfront to walk the minefields without training or education.

Shinie Head, you seem like an intelligent enough man.  Why do you feel the need to defend EVERYTHING about the IRI? Do they do no wrong in your opinion? Is there nothing wrong with what they do?  You know, if you showed some common sense about some of these issues, it would be easier to pay attention to your viewpoints in other areas.  As is, I find your views appalling. 

Your attempts to excuse the inexcusable would be maddening if they weren't so pathetic at times.

Re: Q, how much brainwashed can (TO; Farshid Kesahni)

FK,

As usual you missed the point. In this case Q's point. Q's piont was not to compare apples with oranges, that  you usually try to do (out of misunderstanding or outright trying to advance your agenda). It was to say that when a country's laws allow a 16 year old or older to vote and run for office, other laws of that country equally apply to them such as but not limited to prosecution for offenses against the nation. You are obviously unfamiliar with the laws in Iran and would like to pull anything you can to advance your agenda.  Good luck. It won't work thou!

thanks for trying hard...

Azad-1 jaan, thanks for

Azad-1 jaan, thanks for your reply.

I’m not sure what exactly you mean by whether MKO has something to do with the establishment of democracy in Iran, but here is what I think about the MKO: The MKO is a fanatic, unpopular, insignificant, and undemocratic in nature organization which is responsible for the death of innocent Iranians.

 That being said, the issue of brining up the MKO is very interesting and important. We have to be careful because the only reason these IRI supporters on this site bring up the name of MKO on daily basis and the reason that they have made such a boogy out of a tiny, insignificant and rejected group is only one reason, which is to victimize the barbaric Iranian regime. So we should never fall into their trap. The same reason they bring up Israel’s name, because they need an enemy, even if that enemy is helpless and unpopular like the MKO. This is a propaganda tool to make the regime look like victims. They are very clever when it comes to propaganda. I have said it before that the regime has won the propaganda war against the U.S and world pretty much by a knockout, because they are very smart and have absolutely no shame in making up facts and using every dirty trick possible to make themselves look like victims and look innocent. See how they relate everything the world says about the regime to Israel? See how they relate it to "Texas"? Well, when it comes to the U.S, its a sick obsession, but with others, it’s a trick. Its propaganda. They want the change the topic from IRI to MKO, although MKO doesn’t have .000000001% of the power or significance as the regime has. So we should never change the topic. Very very few people in Iran care about the MKO. We need to expose these people. We need to be smart

Q, how much brainwashed can

Q, how much brainwashed can someone be to make such absurd arguments? Also, the tactic of relating every argument anyone makes against the IRI to the U.S, is a sign of sick and confused sick obsession with the U.S.

1-     No country in the world lets juveniles who commit crime to go home. Every country has penalties for that. I’m anti capital punishment, but comparing criminal juveniles in Texas to criminalizing and imprisoning a teenager for political activism is comparing apples and oranges.

2-     You wanna compare Texas with Iran, lets do it: In Texas, criticizing the government by juveniles in not an offense, in Iran obviously it is. In Texas, a juvenile doesn’t get thrown down the balcony by the “moral police” for attending a party, in Iran, they obviously do. In Texas, teenagers don’t get arrested in the street for wearing attire that is not in conformity with the official government ideology, in Iran they obviously do. in Texas, juveniles have all the opportunity in the world for a better life including college and jobs, in Iran, juveniles are flocking the country in hundreds of thousands. In Texas, juveniles don’t get “executed” for any crime when they are under the legal age, and rarely they do when they become over if they have committed a crime when they were under the age, in Iran, they obviously do. Even your beloved Ayatollah Montzrei said in his memories about a 13 years old boy being hanged by the regime when he was in government for writing anti Khomeini things in his diary, I never heard of any anti Bush 13 years old, or 130 years olds in Texans getting hanged for that. Refer to Montaeris’ memories. Maybe that way you can see there is a different world out there than the bubble you have created around yourself. I’m gonna stop here.

  The amount of audacity these people show in defense of the demonic regime in Iran has surpassed any commons sense and is reaching a treasonous point. Only one word can describe this unbelievable attempt of rationalizing the criminal behavior of the illegal regime in Iran: amazing

Mr Kashani,

Thank you and in your view the MKO has something to do in the establishment of this democratic republic?

IRI's definition of adult

Dear Q,

The fact that Texas executes children does not make it right. But this discussion is about Iran not Texas. We need to set our bars according to facts not what Texas or any other state does. The IRI cannot arbitrarily classify children as adults. This is not a subjective matter; you cannot force people to be mature through law. Regardless of the law, children will still be children. Anyway this is not the Iranian definition, it is the IRI.

Plus, regardless of age no one should be put in jail for political activism. I don't care if some western nation does or did this, it is still wrong.

Re: Azad-1, a federal

I would like to add that the next system MUST be secular. A total separation of religion and government. The rest is open to debate. It could be parliamentary, republican {not the party!}, or constitutional monarchy. But there should be no Sharia or any other religious rule. I think the US bill of rights would be a very good addition to a new constitution for Iran.

We need protection from the tyrrany of the majority to have a functioning democrary.

"Child criminals" issue ignores Iranian definition of "adult"

We may not agree, but Iran has decided 16 year olds are adults. They can run for office and decide the next President by voting and they can also stand for crimes they have committed. In many of the the US states, they can also stand for crimes, but don't get to vote or run for office. I don't remember ever reading Kashani upset over juvenile criminals tried as adults in Texas. This kind of hypocrisy is only too common.

If Iranians feel like they should make the age higher just because that's what most Western countries do, that's one thing, but to continuously cry foul over criminals and murderous "juveniles" actually trivializes the issue.

Azad-1, a federal

Azad-1, a federal republican system of government, with directly elected officials who serve for a specific term.

Mr Kashani,

What's your solution? After the IRI regime who you say that has to rule next?

Anyone who supports and

Anyone who supports and apologizes for the illegal and illigitimate regime of the IRI which has destroyed the great country of Iran and applied "laws" that are inhumane and rejected by the vast majority of Iranians, is a traitor to the great country of Iran.

For those who think that MKO are better

The self burnings proved, for those yet in doubt, that MKO preserved the characteristics of both a terrorist group and a cult. Following the classic techniques of cults, Mojahedin relies on psychological manipulation and brainwashing to mesmerize the insiders to follow the orders. Singer and Lalic define cults as organizations that feature "coordinated programs of coercive influence and behavioral control," many religiously or politically oriented and increasingly centered on New Age self-improvement techniques. Cults use motivational psychology to create closed controlling environments where cult members have little opportunity for free thinking. Some cults control all aspects of their members' lives, including where members work and live, members' social companions, members' sexual companions, and even the members’ daydreams. Cults achieve complete control through a program of deliberate isolation plus psychological reward and punishment. Cult members mechanically serve the cult leadership's goals and fantasies, and in some cases, commit self-destruction for his or her cause.

anyone who ....

anyone who works for murder of Iranian nationals wherever they are, should be imprisoned or hanged (depending on the severity of their case). That is the law of great nation of Iran. It applies to foriegn as well as domestic enemies.

Zendeh Baad Iran