Simorgh5555

American

interventions in recent times have been mostly failures. They encourage division. They encourage ethnic hatred. Right now they are courting separatists and MKO.

The only "success" is in the Kurdish part of Iraq. I recently spoke to a solider who had been stationed there. Basically the credit goes to the Kurds. They took charge of their own region. Then made the Americans feel safe so they for most part became hands off. 

Now a days where America goes disaster comes. People can keep talking about WWII but that was over half a century ago. It was a different world and a different America. Today's America is Tea Party and Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin on the right. On the left you get Obama and Barney Frank. Basically you have a population of morons run by a cynical selfish bunch of thieves. They can not even figure out a health care system. They can not even regulate their own banking so people don't get robbed blind. When it comes to America: thanks; but no thanks. We don't need more deaths and more hatred. As they say "be gooreh babam narin; khoda biyamorzi to na khastam".

If it was not for.....

Allies military intervention Italy would not have been freed from the Nazis or the Facists....France would not have been freed...... Many of those who take anti-war positions are doing it not out of fear for loss of Iranian lives, but out of fear for loss of IR.

Nobody wants Iran attacked - but we all do want IR attacked and gone.  All of us except those who want IR to remain in power.   I can assure you - the biggest enemies of Iran and Iranians are the evil who live outside Iran and work to prolong IR.   These are mostly people who have no love for or any connections to Iran - and no matter what happens will never live in Iran. 

Rea - I NEVER said I support ground invasion of Iran

If you have read my blog carefully I said  I oppose an Iraqi foreign invasion of iran. For what it was worth I demonstrated against the invasion of US ground troops of Iraq.

 I will make it clear:

IRANIANS MUST OVERTHROW THE ISLAMIC REPUBLIC BY FORCE OF ARMS

 BUT ANY ARMED OPPOSITION OR LIBERATION  ARMY NEEDS AIR FORCE COVER SIMILAR TO THE NO FLY ZONE'S IN IRAQ. 

I categorically state that I oppose a foreign invasion of my country.  

An attack on the Basij and Revolutionary Guards are NOT Iran. They are instruments of occupation and terror. Iran is the largest country on earth under occupation by an evil anti-Iranian Islamic death cult.   

Simorgh5555

SP is SP.

But if you consider Kosovo to be a success, you are badly mistaken. Worst American failure ever. And EU shame.

Yugoslavia, disaster. But OK, not American fault. 

Either way, never wish a foreign interference in your country.

Onlyiran-Just

read your original blog. Mostly agree with your thoughts, although the second option, if it happens, might not be very different from the current arrangement.

Paykar - Unfortunately, I will have to agree with you

This regime cannot be reformed.  I wrote a blog about it sometime ago:

 //iranian.com/main/blog/onlyiran/why-iri-cannot-be-reformed-comparative-look

The only other possibility, aside from an armed uprising, is some sort of a cataclysmic breakdown between the different factions of the IRI itself, which at this point does not seem very likely.  But "reform?"  No way.  

VPK - I agree -As I said before on the other thread about SP

I really don't care if he's banned or not.  Either way is fine with me.  I'll just treat him as the paint on my wall.  It's just there...

And to me, his posts could be used for comic relief.  Just their sheer distance from reality, and his utter lack of understanding of Iranian culture are kind of funny.  Remember when the U.S. invaded Iraq, and we would see these clueless young American political operatives on TV telling us how democracy had come to Iraq, from the safety of the Green Zone, when there was total lawlessness a mile away from them?  That's how close SP's comments are to the reality in Iran.  He's just another clueless American talking about a country in the Middle East that he knows nothing about. 

You are right VPK

SP provides no value to any discussion, but his presence, allbeit, a total insult to humanity, has value to owners of this site.

No invasion.

The only way out is armed struggle. Reformists have lost little credibility they had, given their desire to save the system. It will be bullets, bars, and stones because this is what it takes to get rid of the gangster regime. Society has a way of responding to what is needed for its survival and Iran cannot survive with these bastards in charge.

The rapist mullahs and their rapist supporters will not ease their grip, imprisonments and executions will continue (so far, one hanging every 8 hrs, in the new year).

In next few years, we shall see formation of  urban guerrilla groups testing the waters. I do not see mass protests or strikes dislodging the Mullatariat by themselves or even occurring anytime soon.

You want real freedom? It might take a bloodbath.

Well said Agha Irani and Only Iran

With a few modifications:

Asha - is actually an old Persian / Avestan word meaning "truth". So in his sorry attempt to insult you SP has actually honored you: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asha

Coffee Table - I agree with OnlyIran. Except that SP gives me a heartburn. Oops I am not support to attack him!

Honestly SP provides no content or value to IC. Just like IR provides nothing good. Neither to Iran or the world. Just pain. If admin bans him again I will not be sticking my neck out.

Regarding SP

I see SP has reverted to mis-spelling usernames again - who is it that started it this time SP?

Don't distract by changing the subject to the US (your usual tactic of diversion).  Nevertheless to compare the US system (or for that matter almost any system on the planet) with the bizarre, deeply corrupt islamo-nazi terrorist system beggars belief.  The islamo-nazi terrorists have the blood of thousands of Iranians on their hands.  Innocents who held a different political view - thats all. That cannot be said of any civilized system of government on the planet - citizens in the US aren't tried for "sedition", "enmity against god", "apostasy" etc etc and all the rest of the utter rubbish that this foul regime has concocted to keep itself in power.

BTW given your track record of diversion and misleading readers I think the blocking of your username was entirely justified.  You got a taste of the medicine that the islamo-nazis have been dishing out to Iranians for 32 miserable years.  

Well, Asha, we've got

Well, Asha, we've got problems of our own here in my country regarding capital punishment. Only a few months ago, our country executed a mentally retarded woman.

And a few years back, a number of detainees were tortured to death and subjected to sexual abuse in our country's (America's) detention facilities.

Were we upset about it? Yes. Did we seek the overthrow of our governmental system over it? No. Every time something negative happens in our country, do we bring it up and clammer for a revolution? No. Have some of ever done that? Yes, back in the late 60s/early 70s (but not me).

You see such things are what's considered anti-America (and anti-Iran). For those of us that are neither anti-America nor anti-Iran, we admit neither is perfect, we seek constructive improvement through the system, and we don't cheerlead every negative happening in either country. Another description of this: socio-political maturity on a personal level. You should all try it sometime. Maybe then you' won't be considered so stereotypically impetuous and hotheaded. 

Re: SPs claim of convicts/criminals

Is there any evidence that these are criminals?

Because of the corrupt judicial system of the  ISLAMO-NAZI TERRORIST REGIME they could be political prisoners, ethnic or religious minorities, gay or any of a thousand different reasons.  There is no evidence that these are anything but innocents hanged because they disagree with the ideology of the grotesque regime.

Thank you for posting pictures of the barbarity of this backward regime with bankrupt cult-like ideologies. This regime certainly does not represent the majority of decent Iranians who would have nothing to do with this bizarre interpretation of shia islam.

Good job VPK

SP has a very unique talent. That is to make me regret saying anything good about him. I hereby withdraw anything I said in his defense. I am sorry I was wrong; this guy SP does not deserve it.

I agree.  I feel a deep sense of regret every time I engage this guy in a civilized discussion.  I think that I can have a much more productive conversation with my coffee table.   

Simorgh Jan

SP has a very unique talent. That is to make me regret saying anything good about him. I hereby withdraw anything I said in his defense. I am sorry I was wrong; this guy SP does not deserve it.

Of course we should speak out against systems of government. When a system is wrong we speak out against it. I speak against all sorts of insane systems including:

• IR and theocracy
• NAZI
• Old South African Aparthide
• Old Soivet Communism.
• Various dictatorships.
• Any kind of Sharia

Darius, I never used to bother with your YouTube links

but I admit some of 'em are pretty funny. lol

Sargord's Reliability on Polls ... ;0)

Yes Prime Minister: Polls

Simorgh, it's one thing to advocate against certain policies...

Quite another to advocate against an entire county and its entire means of governance.

In my case, I advocate for and against certain policies within the context of my country--the US--and within its means of governance.

You and others like you consistently advocate against an entire country--Iran-- and against its means of government.

What's more, by a wide margin Iranians inside Iran support their means of governance, as reflected in multiple polls.

What could be more anti-Iran than that? If I behaved that way toward my country--the US--I'd be considered anti-US, but I don't so I am not anti-US.

You and people like you are anti-Iran. Admit it. There is only one Iran in the world. You may not like it but that's the reality of it, Simorgh. 

Sargord,

why do you have to keep telling people that they don't like, or they're anti-Iran, or whatever? Didn't you tell Jeesh Daram that his post on your Shahid thread was the most helpful one of all? Didn't I tell you to read it and reread it because it's your best tool to be able to communicate more effectively here and stop wasting your time (because you said you feel it's being wasted?).

Now granted, using Simorgh to apply Jeesh's and my advuce to is a challenge, to say the least.. But bear it in mind, will you? You're not the ultimate arbiter of who's for or against Iran. You think almost everyone here is against, and you're wrong.

Sargord, you're just wrong. You're as delusional about that as you were about Jahanshah's moderation being ideologically or economically motivated. And you finally accepted that after I'd told you a hundred times before. Well, I'm right on this issue too. Just bear it in mind.

As regards the two threads, it's just as well, since a lot of people don't even want to bother scanning up the thread even though the issues are so important. They just want to 'opine'. So it's probably better to have two shorter threads. But it was still tacky of you to open up your own private testosterone theater, Simorgh, when you came on Sargord's thread early on, and all you did was laugh at him.

How many Iranians does it take to fit a face on the moon? None. It never quite fits.

Sargord - You make no sense

Ok, so over the years most Americans have generally - if not overwhelmingly supported American military intervention including engaging in hostilities with Iran, which was at its peak with the takeover of the US Embassy. Most Americans also support Israel and even given support to some of its blanket punishment of Palestinians. Since you see no distinction between the IR and Iran do you agree that most Americans are anti-Iranian? How does that make you feel as a 'native son' of America that your fellow Americans are anti-Iran.

You lie through your teeth when you say that you are 'anti-war'. you supported the violent clampdown of young Iranians during the summer of '09; besides the execution you are indifferent to torture, censorship  of Iran merely because 'other countries do it too'. That is a strange way for an anti-war advocate to act.

Why is it that you have an 'opinion' when it comes to Bush/Obama policies but merely 'accept' IR's policies especially in its war against 'Zionists'. You have an 'opinion' on Israel and its treatment of Palestinians in Gaza but indifferent to mass murder by the IR. Yu make no sense.  

I support the right of freedom loving Iranians to overthrow the regime with force of arms and not the misguidedcarpet bombing and occupation of our land by foreign forces as in Iraq. That is what I mean by war. 

SP

These "polls" in Iran are not worth the disk space. Nor are the "convictions". IR does not have a legitimate judicial system. I have explained many times polls in a dictatorship are meaningless.

But we have two groups: the IRI supporters and pror wars. Neither side is willing to listen to reason. Nor do they bother reading anytn\hing. They just want their voice there and others banned.

One side screams: Zionist; the other Mollah. They both miss the point. Simorgh likes Iran he just does not like terrorists. The terrorists who run IR governments. 

Well Simorgh, I could post

Well Simorgh, I could post pictures of convicts executed here in the US, as well. But I'm not advocating for capital punishment.

What I did do was advocate against war. You just admitted here on this blog post you are pro-war. So we're on opposite sides on this issue.

And yes, I accept Iran for what it is. Who am I to say otherwise? As for supporting Iran, check out those multiple polls of Iranians inside Iran. They support their country and its governance by a wide margin. Who am I to go against them? And who are you to say they're wrong?

You don't like Iran, okay, you've left. Leave that country to them.

For me, I advocate peace and understanding. You want war? I'll continue to counterpoint you, as well as other pro-war advocates such as the people at the "Fred" propaganda blog. 

No Fear

 I am not at all surprised by your casual indifference to the fate of  'three thousand and five thousand [Iranian] lives' at the hand of this regime. So your argument is that this regime should continue to kill with immunity, imprison political opponents of the regime, journalists, bloggers only because you do not have the backbone to stand up to the regime. Its not just about murder of thousands of souls which troubles me, it is the continued assimilation of Iran into Islamic culture, the eradication of its pre-Islamic history and culture;the mismanagement of the economy and the spiralling population at the hand of the mullahs in spite of the sanctions; the pollution and ecological disaster in Iran by destroying precious forests and landscapes; the social restrictions on women; the suicide rates, depression and rampant prostitution and the wealth of the country being spent on terror?  This isn't just about the  murder of Iranians on an industrial scale which doesn't seem to bother you at all, it is the fact that Iran is undergoing a slow death

It was your blind hatred of the Shah's regime which caused you to hand Iran and its wealth on a platter for the mullahs to destroy it. You couldn't sit down and compromise can you? Your Left Wing/Islamist oghde pushed the country to catastrophe.   Even Mousavi now looks back on the Shah's days in power as good old days!  Was it worth it? 

I am glad you raised the issue of casualties in Iraq. How many of those killed are a result of NATO and American military attacks and how many of them are a result of Muslims killing Muslims because of the evil of Islam whether it be Shia or Sunni. Same crap.  

I agree that sanctions alone will not destabilise the regime which is why I believe that economic sanctions backed by an Iranian liberation army is the only way to solve the matter. For every Iraq, there is a Kosovo, Yugoslavia, Germany, Japan and South Africa. For  every Iraq scenario there just may be a success story as demonstrated in the aforementioned countries where the use of force and/or sanctions were instrumental in removing oppressive regimes. 

Simorgh, why the h-ll did you have to

 open up a new blog for this? This is a very important issue and you are completely diffusing the discussion. Why couldn't you just rebut Sargord on his own thread? No, you hadda go make your own blog to prove who has the most testosterone.

And you didn't answer me on Sargord's thread about whether or not you take yourself seriously when you told Sargord he shouldn't take himself so seriously under a picture of a child with its head blown off.

I respectfully request, in the interests of a productive, managable discussion on this crucial topic, that people move this embryonic discussion back to Sargord's blog, where it belongs. I will begin by linking this blog to the top of Sargords' thread. Thank you.

How many Iranians does it take to fit a face on the moon? None. It never quite fits.

No - No Fear

Using that fancy logiiic and data in conversations is bad. What are you thinking! You need to just post pics and yell (yes yell on the net)!

You got it all wrong.

Grab your calculator

Based on many independent sources , about half a million iraqi children died due to " air tight " sanctions. ( the kind of sanctions that the anti iranian cockroaches advocate ).

//www.fair.org/index.phppage1084

While these harsh sanctions led to the eventual downfall of sadam, similar means of sanctioning a country like north korea did not lead to regime changes, but facilitated a famine which caused 2 million deaths.

Aside from drug dealers and terrorists who must be executed in Iran based on our civil laws, independent sources put the number of political prisoners executions in Iran between 3 - 5 thousands.( which the majority were purged 20 years ago ).

Are you implying that for the sake of a few hundred ( or thousands ) assumed political prisoners, we should adopt a policy which could cost us millions of lives?

Whats really pathetic is that even if such scenario happens and the subsequent sanctions with limited military intervention does lead to a regime change after losing thousands and thousands of Iranians, you still can not say for sure that our people would be free and be living in a free society.

You are so blinded by hate towards IR, that you want it gone at any cost. This is called anarchy. Just creat and stir as much shit as you can hoping to change the norm. It is a very basic and primitive outlook for solving complex social and political issues in Iran. Its a typical approach from many disgruntled fossilized Iranian expats who really don't have a clue how to be effective in our politic.

But perhaps the most important thing they lack is testicular fortitude since they are asking others to do their job for them.

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Call me a sneek. I'm off to tell god all about it. He's a bit hard-of-seeing these days.

"Stuff happens and some, one way or another, get stuffed"

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