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Sweden is one of the most racist countries in Europe

That even a rabid Zionist such as Daniel Pipes decries Sweden's racism. Swedish racism even has its own wikipedia article. That's now "notable" the issue is.

Sigh...

This is the problem with Iran, most iranians never get along because people are too naive, thinking Iran should only consist of a certain type of iranians and that the rest are either enemies or have been manipulated by the system... We brag about our superiority, but we simple can't work together strangely. Why must we be so different in the world?

Do you know that a country like e.g. Sweden (where I'm from) has probably the least number of people that are patriotic, nationalists etc in the world? Did you also know that most Swedes get along better than many other nationalities? Why is this do you think?.... If you think about it, it's because of one thing: culture. Each swede has been brought up to basically become a modest person, learning to accept your fellow human being.

People talk so much about persian culture and zoroastrian religion, norooz etc, but many times I wonder if they are using it as a weapon instead of understanding what it actually says...

oh mohammad! Sargords cousin is salman farsi,

Not an iranian, but a middle eastern mind job,

well sniffed out.

ajab ke fekr mikonan maha doorogahyeh in nakesayeh eslamiro nemishnasim.

where joe pesci when we need him?

Islamophobia is growing

in the United States too.

Here it is:

"The Muslim community is trying to recover from falling favorability, down to 30 percent, according to the Pew Center, and CAIR charged American Muslims to become more active in their communities as a way to personally counter the negative stereotypes their neighbors may hold."

//blog.chron.com/believeitornot/2011/06/muslim-report-shows-rise-of-islamophobia-in-america/

The idea is Iranians, who are also muslim, to live in peace in the West. Islamophobia is not helpful when it comes to living and raising a family in the United States and eslewhere.

This is the main reason for confronting Islamophobia among Iranians who live outside Iran.

For brother Salman

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"How do you feel writing in English on an IRANIAN site???? " Salman Farsi

1. English is an international language, but farsi and arabic are NOT, so we use international language on this site.

2. English words in here doesn't have specific agenda, but using arabic words pursue specific goal and has implied agenda. Mostly targeting our Persian Gulf.  

3. Everybody on this site could read and understand English words,but they don't know arabic words. 

"Don't you see the absurdity of your argument?" Salman Farsi

No, I don't see my argument is absure, in fact I see my arguement is valid and meant to protect Iranian culture, integrity and it also protect our national interest which oil field. Our oil field in Khozestan is the heart of our country. Our Persian Gulf is Persian Gulf and Our oil field is Khozestan, nothing else.

"I am not an Arab " Salman Farsi

So proof it by using Persian Avatar. How do I kinow you are not Iraqi. ? There was another guy who claimed his grand father worked for Reza shah. He was supporting barbaric Republic of Iran. Later on he turned out to be Pakestani and couldn't even speak farsi. His user name was sargord pirooz. Words speak much louder than claiming to be something that we are not. 

"Have you ever visited a Jewish American site. See how many Hebrew words theu use in their writings. How come it is perfectly OK for the Jewush Americans to use Hebrew but not for the Muslim Iranians to use Arabic" Salman Faris

No, I have not visited jewish site and I am not interested to visit that site. There are so many sites in this world. Am I supposed to visit all of them in order to protect my country interests and culture? no.  Here is Iran.com. I speak for my country and my own kind of people. Arabic should be stopped in this site. We have so many beautiful Persian avatars that you can use such as Maydon-e-shahyad, Mahan-e-kerman, Naghsh-e-Rostam etc. If you are Iranian (which I still doubt) you should be pride of your heritage and your culture. That is "National Pride". Every nation has it. That is what makes Iran stand up and keeps it's integrity and strength. Not promoting foreign culture and foreign language. That makes Iran weak. Please change your avatar and use Iranian words.

Thanks,

Siavash

Brother Siavash

How do you feel writing in English on an IRANIAN site????

Don't you see the absurdity of your argument?

I am not an Arab BUT I am a Muslim Iranian and the language of my faith is Arabic. What part of this you don't get brother?

Have you ever visited a Jewish American site. See how many Hebrew words theu use in their writings. How come it is perfectly OK for the Jewush Americans to use Hebrew but not for the Muslim Iranians to use Arabic?

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Okay brother Salman, so use Iranian avatar

I take your word that you're Iranian (which still I doubt). Anyway, please change your avatar and use Iranian avatar and stop using arabic word on Iranian site. That will promote our culture and sense of nationalism among our people. Look I will be ridiculed to go on arab site and promote Norooz. I will be bashed by arabs if I claim arab refinary oil area as part of Iran and call it by Iranian name. Arabs called our oil refinary area "moamareh" not long ago. Saddam called Iranian "flies". So if you are really iranian, stop using arabic word in this site and replace avatar with beautiful Persians monuments. We have a lot of gorgeous monuments you can use. We are not here to argue about someone's believe system or religion. We are here to protect our country. Religion believes are something personal, but protecting our country is our national interest.

Thanks,

Siavash

Brother Siavash

I can assure you that I am as Iranian as yiu brother but of different religion as it seems.

I am not and Arab and Persian gulf is Persian gulf. No argument.

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For brother Salman information.

"digital patriots on this site, his patriotism goes against all the well established psyche and culture of his country" Salman Farsi

Well established psyche and culture of our country is Nowruz and chaharshanbeh sori. Can we promote this culture on Arab site? I bet they will kick you out in a heart beat, if you are Iranian. Saddam called Iranians and jews and flies the same. Whom are you deceiving? They have eyes on our Persian Gulf. I am not sure you're iranian because many arabs pose as Iranians these days and it is hard to say who is who, but for sure our Persian Gulf is Persian Gulf. It doesn't matter what your nationality is.  If you are not Iranian, I am just wasting my time.

Payandeh our Aryan Land Iran.

Why Reza Pahlavi

Reza Pahlavi is either a coward or he just does not care about Iran

In the loving memory of our brothers and sisters

In the loving memory of our brothers and sisters who lost their sweet lives in battle with Islamic devil on streets of Iran.

In a loving memory of our dear sister Neda whose blood seeded the root of freedom in Iran

In a loving memory of our beloved brother Sohrab.

In a loving memory of our brave sister Taraneh Mosavie who was brutally tortured and raped by Islamic agents the night before her execution in prison.

Payandeh our Aryan Land Iran

Long live Crwon Reza Pahlavi- the legit king of Iran.

Disenchanted

My attitude to the "man on the street" approach and "what can it do for him," has always been this: the man on the street (with very rare exceptions) is usually a chump who is a creature of habit and one beholden to the manipulation of corrupt elites. He is the lumpenproletariat whom Marxists love to criticize because he is always the one who is prime picking for Fascist brainwashing and manipulation. Systems of abuse are administered by the man on the street types. Andres Breivik was just such a man on the street. The man on the street argument is also a very contemporary, shallow North American way of looking at the world: a crass form of instrumentalist utilitarianism I reject. There are universes beyond the man on the street. As such the inner essence of these Books is beyond the comprehension of the man on the street and he should leave it alone.

Anyway, it is late here. We will continue this discussion later...

There is a difference

This is going to  be my first post on this website, so I am not in a good position to comment on the attitudes toward Islam on this website. But I think there is nothing wrong with hating the religion of Islam, I think there is a problem when people take their hatred for Islam and apply It to all Muslims. There is a difference between hating Islam and hating Muslims.

Freethought...

        So lets see where do we stand. Claim is made that God directly spoke to man in few occasions and as a result we have billions of human beings confused and conflicted for centuries, each claiming their exclusive right to the "TRUTH" and promising eternal hell to others!

         In Islam "evil" has by no means same essence as in Zoroastrianism. "vahdate vojood" in Islamic philosophy certainly has no place for "evil"! This is not the place to get into such discussions however!

         If you really claim Isalm and Zorostarianism are one and the same spirit try to see how many of their believers you can convert! If these religions are one and the same it begs the question why the duplicity?!

        These books were sent for the man on the street (desert). To make a distinction between literal interpretation and higher, deeper meaning misses the boat! What is the illiterate man to do?

         Contrary to what some believe, religions are not all evil. I believe they have had some positive contribution to human culture but it's time to take stock and move on. We have come a long way and need to be able to walk on our feet and use our own brains that sets up apart from the rest of animal kingdom!

Disenchanted

We are talking past each other, and I feel you are confusing several different things all at the same time. I'll make it brief.

First, Zoroastrianism is monotheistic. Angra Mainyu/the counter-powers of darkness is not equal to Spenta Mainyu and Ahura Mazda. Manichaenism is dualistic because it posits the Light and the Darkness are equal. Zoroastrianism does not assert this at all. Zoroastrianism posits the force of darkness and the counterpowers vie in this world, but such darkness and counterpowers are never asserted in the Avesta or in the Mazdean commentaries to be equal in force to God and the Celestial Powers. The Qur'an likewise posits the same. God is the NUR/Light, Iblis and the shaytan (wish btw is a plural word) rule the darkness and hell but are not equal to God. They are likewise God's creation and so are subdued by God. The world as the domain of the battle of Good vs Evil is the narrative informing every single Surah of the Qur'an. I am surprised you think it isn't there.

What I am saying is that mutually contradictory claims made by exoteric religionists against each other are from the higher perspective completely irrelevent and miss the core point of their scriptures. That they endlessly bludgeon each other proves my point that they are utterly clueless. If they go beyond the literal word and literalist prison, then the lucidity begins to shine, and, yes, it is there: crystal clear and lucid as the Sun shining on the sea on a cloudless day at high noon without a single ripple intruding upon the gleaming surface of the water.

Eyes of Fire is a term from Gnostic Christianity and refers to possession of gnosis or ma'arifa/'irfan, the inner insight of Reality. It is what Imam 'Ali (as) means when he tell his companion Kumayl "To extinguish the Lamp for the Dawn hath indeed Arisen" (hadith al-haqiqa) and it is the answer to the prayer of the Prophet Muhammad (sws) when he says, "O Lord, shows us things as they truly are."

You did not address my point Freethought!

     Your statements in the last post addressed to me while may have some merits have no relevance to what I wrote! 

     I quoted your following statement:

"The truth been expressed with equal lucidity in every revealed scripture "

       and pointed out that your statement flies in the face of reality. You claimed the truth in "revealed scriptures" are lucid and identical among them. That is certainly absurd. To claim Avesta and Quran entail same vision about the cosmos is simply ignorance. Quran advocates monotheism while Zoroastrianism has a dualistic view of the world, good vs evil!

       As for the lucidity of the scriptures, I referred to daily atrocities committed by followers of one religion against another throughout history. Facing with the ugly truth you invoked the requirement "Eyes of fire" to read such books! Threre lies the trouble. Who is to tell who has the firey eyes?!

       Jews in Israel claim West bank is their god given land and so are the muslims. would you please tell us where is the "lucidity" in that?

       When Saddam Hossein goes to hell reciting Quran and Rajavi, Ben laden, Ghaddafi and Iran rulers all start with invoking "Allah" to claim "lucidity" in matters of faith is simply Hilarius!

Not to mention claim of "lucidity" while requiring "eyes of fire" to comprehend the scriptures is a contradiction! By the way "Eyes of fire" is certainly not a Quranic concept and you introducing it tells me your liberal interpretation and as a result unifications of diverse and at times opposing religions in misguided!

      Your examples of attrocities committed in 20 centry by secularists and racists is just a confirmation of the fact that anyone who believes in "absurdities" is capable of committing "attrocities" and that is independent of absurdities being religious or else!

     I am not in the "Islamophobia" camp. However I advoce a rationalistic/scientific approach to the issues.

You did not address my point Freethought!

     Your statements in the last post addressed to me while may have some merits have no relevance to what I asked you. 

     I quoted your following statement:

"The truth been expressed with equal lucidity in every revealed scripture "

       and pointed out that your statement flies in the fact of reality. You claimed the truth in "revealed scriptures" are lucid and identical among them. That is certainly absurd. To claim Avesta and Quran entail same vision about the cosmos is simply ignorance. Quran advocated monotheism while Zoroastrianism has a dualistic view of the world, good vs evil!

       As for the lucidity of the scriptures, I referred to daily atrocities committed by followers of one religion against another throughout history. Facing with the ugly truth you invoked the requirement "Eyes of fire" to read such books! Threre lies the trouble. Who is to tell who has the firey eyes?!

       Jews in Israel claim West bank is their god given land and so are the muslims. would you please tell us where is the "lucidity" in that?

       When Saddam Hossein goes to hell reciting Quran and Rajavi, Ben laden, Ghaddafi and Iran rulers all start with invoking "Allah" to claim "lucidity" in matters of faith is simply Hilarius!

Not to mention claim of "lucidity" while requiring "eyes of fire" to comrehend the scriptures is a contradiction! By the way "Eyes of fire" is certainly not a Quranic concept and you introducing it tells me your liberal interpretation and as a result unifications of diverse and at times opposing religions in misguided!

      Your examples of attrocities committed in 20 centry by secularists and racists is just a confirmation of the fact that anyone who believes in "absurdities" is capable of committing "attrocities" and that is independent of absurdities being religious or else!

     I am not in the "Islamophobia" camp. However I advoce a rationalistic/scientific approach to the issues.

Here is my fatwa

Bismillah ar-Rahman ar-Rahim!

A report (khabar) from the Prince of Martyrs Imam Husayn (as) states,
"Do not tyrannize/oppress any soul nor yourself become the victim of any
tyrant/oppressor."  

Given this, all those who misuse religion for purposes of power, control, manipulation, abuse and repression are kafirs (heretics). As such 'Ali Khamenei is a kafir (heretic) and the brain dead Basijis who follow him are following a heretic and spawn of shaytan (nazu bi'Llah) so to resist 'Ali Khamenei and the Basij and stay the hand of the heretic and oppressing tyrant is a religious duty.

La hawla wa la quwwa illa bi-Llah!

You are right

In the 20th century with coming of Comunist a la Soviet style and then other ones and the two world wars most casualties of wars were not because of religion, but Soviet style Communism is an idealistic system just like the religious systems. Also Nazis had the backing of German church and Jew hatred was spread by church before nazis taking power accusing them of killing Jesus.

There are also 2 ways of seeing things, you could argue that almost none of the wars has been about religion but misuse of religion, but then you have to think that a system that can be misused so easily and so many times is worth having. Even today through Khameneis talks he pushes basijis to suppress people by help of religion. 

Disenchanted

Tell me, was it religious people or atheists/agnostics who perpetrated the worst horrors of the 20th century? Were the Nazis religious? Was the Soviet state religious? Did Stalin murder 20 million+ of his own people in the name of God or in the name of the Communist Party? What about Pol Pot? Were the Killing Fields of Cambodia a consequence of religion or something else? Was it religious people who dropped the two atomic bombs on civilian populations in Japan or were secular non-religious people responsible? Was it religion or ethnic/racial hatred that ignited the war and ethnic cleansing in the Balkans during the '90s? Granted Slobodan Milosevic and his Serbian goon henchmen used the Eastern Orthodox church towards the middle and end of the war to justify themselves to their own constituency. Nevertheless that destructive event was started by self-confessed agnostics who were members of the Serbian branch of the Socialist (i.e. Communist) Party of (former) Yugoslavia.

It has become trendy and a consensus reality of the times - like Islamophobia (i.e. 21st century Antisemiticism) - to blame and project all the problems of the world on to religion. Complete know-nothings and shameless propagandists like Richard Dawkins (who has been ridiculed several times now by the creators of Southpark for his militant atheism and perspectual myopia) give voice to this historical revisionist scheme of scapegoating religion for all the worlds ills. But the fact of the matter is that religion qua religion is not remotely responsible. It is opportunistic human beings who are.

No religion to date has been responsible for the wholessale environmental rape of this planet. Secular modernists have done that. So what are you talking about? Look between the layers of the hype - meaning, stop listening to CNN and the mainstream corporate-controlled press -and you will see that you are blaming the wrong folks and the folks who are really responsible are the ones who are feeding you the hype.

Finally, those who truly possess the Eyes of Fire will never fight with others who truly possess the same.

Patrotism

Belongs to the past and the same applies to the abrahamic religions. The world is essentially ruled by humans and it will destroy us humans if we don't take care of it and ourselves, no matter if we are good muslims, christians, patriots and so on... Living by that code we will soon see that much of what we believe in isn't going to change anything unless we play by the same rules as mother nature and the universe. In this world people believe in "allah" or "god" and so on, in another world in the universe someone perhaps worships a frog-like creature. At the end both will have to accept the laws of physics.

Come on you

How can one suggest one is better when not proven so. Arabs had slaves right? They forced the countries to lose their language and adapt to their religion right? They looted countries right? So instead of spaniards if Arabs would discover America well they would commit the same atrocities like ottomans did when they had power and nader shah and teimur lane did. You should not compare a christian country with a weak nuslim. You should compare it with a strong one like the ottoman empire then you see that both are the same.

Well, I rest my case!

     Just two quick points: Again as I am sure you know better than me in matters of history, followers of "revealed wisdom" killing each other is hardly new! They have been going at it since their inception. If I remember there was some major bloodshed around the first millennium called "crusades"!

      As for the "eyes of fire" required to understand the scriptures, it's not that these folks don't have it. It just that each claims monopoly on it.

      My educated friend, the issue with religion is that you cannot defend it logically. You have to take it based on faith and the consequence of that is what we have seen for few thousands of years!

Yes

The underlying Truth of the Avesta, OT, NT and the Qur'an is the same, yes. Revelations and their underlying Truths usually appear lucid to those who know how to approach them correctly or, as some might put it, those who possess the "Eyes of Fire."

What modern religionists do to each other is a symptom of their utter blindness to what their scriptures are actually saying to them.

Arabs & Jews blow up each daily based on "revealed scripture"

    Freethought here is your quote in lucidity:

   "This has been expressed with equal lucidity in every revealed scripture "

      Are you saying at the risk of one of us losing its sanity that old testament and Quran not to mention Avesta all reveal the same truth?! Something must have been lost in translation! Revelations are anything but lucid. There lies the reason thousands of opposing sects and groups  in history that I am sure you know about them better than me!

Choghok & Disenchanted

Choghok: Come now. Europeans beat Muslims to it simply because Muslims didn't have the chance?! What kind of argument is that? You are engaging in the type of twisted xenophobic-triumphalist wishful thinking and argumentative logical fallacies (red herrings) that the subject of this blog was engaging in before he went ape-shit massacring innocent children in Norway. Fact is it has been Anglo-Europeans (and this is a valid term used by certain social scientists) and Anglo-European civilization who has been responsible for committing the wanton violence and destruction over this whole planet for the past 500+ years, not Muslims. To say that Muslims would've done worse is to show serious bias and skewed judgement, and, yes, straight up Islamophobia (21st century Antisemiticism) because Muslims haven't done it.

Racism or not, facts are facts, it is the white man not the Muslim who has been the scourge of terra firma for the past 500+ years. He invented capitalism. He perpetrated the worst atrocities humanity has ever witnessed. He has developed the most sophisticated forms of abuse and exploitation ever known. He has raped Mother Earth like no one before him. He has violated the sanctity and honor of Her children. So, yes, he stands guilty as charged and judged before the Court of All-High Providence, not the Muslim.

Hajj Malik al-Shabbaz Malcolm X also once spoke as I did and in his arrogance the white man called him a racist too, even though it was the white Anglo-European man who at the time was brutalizing and sicking his mangy dogs on to peaceful African-American protestors on the streets of Birminghham, Alabama, and elsewhere; raping African-American women and children with impunity; and lynching African-American brothers and sisters in the name of Christ while donning a white hood. If speaking the truth about the world historical crimes of Anglo-European civilization -- from the genocides he committed in the Americas and Australasia to the Holocaust and Hiroshima and Nagasaki and beyond -- makes me a racist, then I am the same kind of racist as Malcolm X was. Yes, indeed, we didn't land on Plymouth Rock, Plymouth Rock landed on us! The world needs another Malcolm X.

Disenchanted: yes, the issue is expressed with equal lucidity in the Avesta as well as the Qur'an.

Avesta, Bible and Quran reveal the same truth?!

    Dear freethought111,

   "Equal lucidity"?! I am sure you spend lots of your time studying lots of good stuff but please check with Reuters and CNN at times to see the results of the "Equal lucidity" the world over! The followers of the revealed wisdom can not kill enough of each other! Here is your quote about the "alternative reality":

"This has been expressed with equal lucidity in every revealed scripture and wisdom teaching the world over, including in the Avesta as well as the Qur'an. Contemporaries, especially the trend and fad obsessed mainstream of the Iranian diaspora in the West, usually have the capacity to recognize Truth beaten out of them (unless, that is, they make great personal, inner efforts to overcome such blindness and so return to Truth)."

Same story

The only reason why as you say Europeans did more violence, now i am generalizing like you, was that they beat muslims to it. What would muslims do if they had conquered America? Wouldnt they force indians to convert like they did else where? And as said earlier, they had slavery so they would probably take some as slaves and kaniz. Ottoman turks took children of christians by force and made them muslims, there has been lots of crimes against minorities in Islamic countries even today, so how are they better? They have better DNAor less violent religion?
If itwasArabs who hadfound America now christians would have said the same thing you are saying about them.

And one more thing, your comments are very generalizing and on the border to racism where you put the guilt of something on a whole continent by sayinh angloeuropeans, it is like saying that the 9-11 was done by Arab countries or by muslims in general. A bomb was thrown in a war between USA and Japan. What does it got to do with your made up term anglo europeans? as if europeans are all same race and share the blame,

O Brother Warden, Where Art

//iranian.com/main/blog/mm/o-brother-warden-where-art-thou

I take great pride to be compared with FT111

As I read more of the previous comments I noticed that some of you think mistakenly that Freethought111 and me are the same. This is the most unfair to FT and indeed a preposterous confusion. Unfair because his scholarly knowlege is second to none and presposterous because the people who made such a mistake (I think it was sister vildemose) must examin their own literacy in English. If I could wrrite half as good as FT, I would have been a professor by now. As FT has said it, our similarity is in speaking the same truth.

که یکی‌ هست و هیچ نیست جز او

وَحدَه لا الهَ الا هو

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