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Well done...I too was

Well done...I too was greatly irritated by these individuals bigotry but no longer feel the need to respond, they are just not worth it...we could all be doing far more productive things...sarcastic humor sounds like a good way to go...let 'em have it...

Ba Arezu-ye Movafaghiat, Sadegh

Sadegh jan......bale mifahmam

For me it is Zion, with his hit and run posts not only at me but others as well.

He never seeks knowledge and understanding. I'm sure you have seen his comments to me on various threads through out the web site.

 I also believe that he loves to aggravate me. The last thing that I want to do is get into his mind. Perish the thought.

 So, I decided to instead use my sarcastic humor on him. Nobody deserves it more than Zion. :o)

Best wishes,

Solh va Doosti

Natalia

Thank you for your kind

Thank you for your kind words Natalia - I concede that in the grand scheme of things you may be right. At the time however I had simply had enough of the vile slander coming from this man, aimed not only at myself, but at Q, Trita Parsi, Mammad and many many others. I particularly resent being called a 'anti-Semite' - when I am so utterly repulsed and disgusted by this phenomenon and its history and have been educated in a milieu which recognizes that horrific episode of Western history for what it is i.e. a debunking of the idea of moral, aesthetic or cultural 'progress' and the complete inefficacy of all of those most cherished and sacred values which set out to vouchsafe the aforementioned.   I also wanted to give some insight into the mind of a zealot. The repetitive nature of Fred's posts, and this is why they are not about 'Fred' fundamentally, evince the mind set of someone who is so driven by hate and a Manichean view of the world that they are unable to even adapt their responses in accordance with the content of the post at hand. He just repetitively throws the same libellous, bilious slander and mendacious accusations at anyone with whom he disagrees. There is little to no variation whatsoever. It doesn't matter what your background, beliefs, reasons for advocating a particular argument, or any other subtleties are - you are an 'Islamist', 'Jew hater', 'anti-Semite', 'devil' etc...etc..., if you disagree with him. Now I don't even bother to respond to him or his pet Zion, it's just a complete waste of time. But this STYLE OF ARGUMENTATION is not peculiar to just Fred, but is fairly common here, and is amongst the main targets of this post. 

Ba Arezu-ye Movafaghiat, Sadegh

Fred jan congratulations......what an honor

to have a blog created just for you and about you. You are becoming famous if not infamous.

Sadegh dear, are you feeling okay. Usually, you are the voice of reason but this is not one of those days. Should I be concerned? Fred, is just not worth all this time. (No offense Fred)

 Sadegh, you have such a briliant mind and excellent writing skills that can be used in a more productive way. :o)

Solh va Doosti

Natalia

Re: Hahaha

Again, I will say this as simply as possible because you are obviously not very bright. Read your own comment and then answer the question, who in reality is "ranting and raving like a clinically insane nutcase". You really need to calm down old boy or your wig might fall off...HAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

Ba Arezu-ye Movafaghiat, Sadegh

I'm glad you don't live in

I'm glad you don't live in the US. Thank goodness. You're ranting and raving like a clinically insane nutcase; utterly incoherent; emblematic of a sociopathic mind...We don't need criminals in the US.

You will need extensive therapy for years to get over your personality disorder. I would start now before you either self-destruct of destroy others.

Also 'genius' I'm not in

Also 'genius' I'm not in the US and have absolutely no intention of ever living there...Like your fascists counterparts for you facts are irrelevant...

Ba Arezu-ye Movafaghiat, Sadegh

Re: Hahaha

Stop embarrassing yourself - I have no idea what you are talking about - if you've been censored (probably because you've written yet more stupid nonsense) take it up with the site. It has nothing to do with me (I HAVE NO CENSORING PRIVILEGES) - and your idle threats are of no interest in any case. Make as many as you want and say whatever you like - you are of no interest to me at all. You're insignificant as far as I'm concerned and you can post all the racist, ignorant and misinformed rants you like - TO REPEAT I COULDN'T CARE LESS ABOUT YOUR PATHETIC AND HOLLOW THREATS OR INSULTS...Do you understand? I hope so, threats over the internet are laughable and childish anyway, what, you want to meet up and fight, GROW UP ALREADY!!!, your just showing yourself up for the petty and regrettable person you are. Get a grip...Interesting to see you're pro-imperialism though, vatanforoush... 

Ba Arezu-ye Movafaghiat, Sadegh

Sadegh: I see you've

Sadegh: I see you've censored my reply to your threat!!!Only a deranged lunatic resorts to childish tactics.

It is obvious that some of those who monitor this site (maybe you're one of them) divulge private information...I'm not going to argue the legality or ethics of practicing such behavior because this site is irrelvant in the large scheme of things. But I can categorically predict that this type of unscrupulous double standards will be the death knell of Iranian.com and Iranian community's reputation as a whole.

This site erroneously gives the American public the impression that most Iranians are anti-American, anti-capitalist/"imperialist", Marxist, Islamist hypocrites...This site is doing all Iranians a huge disfavor. If you don't like America, leave. I will personally buy you, your ticket wherever you wish to go.

Re: Hahaha

Read your childish and stupid comment and then ask yourself once more who's the bache poru? IRANdokht disagreed with my posting this blog, but she has class and knows how to conduct a discussion UNLIKE YOU. I have also recently conducted a debate with Jamshid, which was both fruitful and interesting, despite the deep differences which separate us here:

http://www.iranian.com/main/blog/sadegh/whats-iraqi-or-iranian-life-worth

I respond to idiots with the kind of response of which idiots are deserving, and you sir ARE AN IDIOT. Being a coward who is too scared to write under their registered name or submit blog entries themselves for criticism I would really be quiet if I were you.

Stop being such a coward and write under your registered name - you're writing style is the same despite the different pseudonyms you use, whether they be 'anti-Sadegh', 'hahahaha' or whatever - grow up and grow some balls. Btw 46 odd comments means no one is responding huh? I had over 900 hits on the first day alone when my essay was featured on ANTIWAR.COM so seriously stop embarrassing yourself.

http://www.iranian.com/main/2008/leave-lebanon-lebanese

There's 17 here alone, so once more, stop embarrassing yourself, you just look like an idiot, oh that's right, I forgot, you ARE AN IDIOT and a classless one at that...

Well Done Fred!

For making all these crybabies whine and shout. After all the truth hurts sometimes.

Excellent Sadegh,

as the target of at least a couple of the very same quotes that you have reproduced, I thank you for this irrefutable analysis.

I will bookmark this page, so that I have a shorthand of explaining this whole behavior when I need to in comments.

Some suggestions by an accidental visitor

Being no iranian or of the islamic faith myself, I find it kinda weird to post here. But alienness aside I cant stay my mouth at the laughable subject of this thread.
One must weigh the gain of accepting all takers against the loss of tolerating thinly veiled bias. Though it is nice to prove your point through logically illuminated arguments, repeated offenders should be dealt with more, shall I say, harsher means. If only to protect the community from BS clothed in a veneer of educated plagiarism.
Therefore I suggest you consider the 'ban' button. It is a blessing bestowed from the most High, for the succour of his online children. Doubly so when a suspicion of creeping, fascist, zionist allegiances is apparent even from a cursory glance.
All in all, there comes a time to say enough is enough. And I harbor no ill will for the other side. It merely amuses me to think that some wayward brothers actually think they defend their ideas by such means.

To all posters here,
Fred and his goldfish
buddies included,
God bless.
Mack

Oh, and remember Rachel Corrie...

Dear Sadegh

Dear Sadegh,

I agree with a lot of what you say here, but
I too think you are giving this ferd, fred pretending to be other posters, and all other freds, too much acknowledgment!

Personally, I usually skip posts by f and others similar to him...

People can usually see though the dust they are trying to raise, I, personally, would just let it go...
Most intelligent people realise what's going on!

I think we are in more or

I think we are more or less in complete agreement. The one point on which we diverge I believe is that I think from time to time we need to confront such tactics. We can't give such slander a free pass all of the time. Though I do have a great deal of faith in people's ability to see which argument is the more reasonable, I also believe that some people are inclined to enthusiastically endorse the confirmation of their own prejudices and petty hatreds. Just look at the massive audience Fox News draws - Fox News represents an opinion and then distorts the news in such a way as to completely reinforce a predetermined bias. A great many desire this - they're not interested in the truth, they desire their bigotry and zealotry and reactionary opinions to be reflected in the supposedly 'impartial' media so that such prejudices take on the status of objectivity. In this way people can continue in their cosy existences where none of their preconceptions about their government or ethnic minorities or foreign nations or whatever require questioning or re-evaluation. The truth can from time to time be deeply unsettling and that is why many avoid it in droves...But should we let the deception, non sequiturs and serial distortions ceaselessly go unchallenged? I don't think so - we need to call them on it as much as is feasible; their propaganda has very real consequences after all - like deciding elections and the drumming up support for illegal wars. Obviously this is merely an analogy, but I think that such dirty tactics must be challenged from time to time. Thanks for your feedback... Ba Arezu-ye Movafaghiat, Sadegh  

This guys is a total propagandist

thank you for this wonderful exposure. People don't get the idea until a clear pattern is shown as you have. I hope this is featured in the front page.

I totally agree with you

...and that's exactly why I think you should only respond to the criticisms made by knowledgeable folks and not allow the ones who are shouting the loudest to bask in the spotlight for any length of time.

For the observers of these debates, it's always clear who is making their case with reason and engaging in real debate and exchange of ideas, and who is resorting to libelling and hateful slander.

Best regards,

IRANdokht

There should be no

There should be no restrictions IRANdokht, I'm happy to see religious belief reasonably mocked as long as it's even handed and not hypocritical, and I agree there are plenty of articulate voices on this site of all political shades from whom I learn a little each day...It has just begun to grate on my nerves that some individuals who frequent this site believe that he or she who shouts loudest is most right; smearing and libel should be forcefully rebutted and when it becomes a perennial refrain as it has with Fred then it needs to be exposed. Plus, I take great offence at being labelled an anti-Semite every time I open my mouth - you can't just throw around such grotesque epithets because you happen to disagree with someone - as long as we tolerate a situation where critics of Israel, the Israeli lobby or American foreign policy are branded 'anti-Semites' tout court, then we can't possibly develop a meaningful dialogue or debate, because such malign and pathetic attempts at deflecting criticism endeavour to scare us away from broaching the issues - though not in the US myself, it is a great example of a climate in which debate has been seriously stifled (though it is gradually being pried open since Mearsheimer and Walt’s book) and the dangerous repercussions that have resulted there from. Slander aims to shut down the debate, not open it. It is for this reason that I have briefly and with only the slightest of effort tried to demonstrate the bi-polar world of individuals such as Fred. You are either with them or you're an ISLAMIST OR ANTI-SEMITE. This is not a debate, a conversation or dialogue - this is an out and out attempt to strangle discussion, because he doesn't want us to get to the truth of the matter...  Ba Arezu-ye Movafaghiat, Sadegh  

Sadegh: Your language is

Sadegh: Your language is foul and speaks volume of your poor upbringing. It's ironic that you accuse everyone who disagrees with your views as *Jackasses* and whatnot while you're the one who uses lewd language in your smearing and slandering campaign--

You're a troll and beneath contempt. I will not sink to your level of petulance...you keep writing blog on cue and no one even responds t you.

You remind of the Iranian saying: Khod goozado, khod khandad, bah bah che honarmand ast.

Again, most of your vitriolics are projections. You categorically have deeply rooted issues as an individual. Help is out there, if you seek it.

Dear Sadegh

How do you know that all these replies are not from one person alone?

I don't think this website is full of hateful people. It's just a liberal forum and there are no restrictions in place if anyone wants to leave comments multiple of times under different IDs, .

Let me add that I personally think it's a very good policy, but like all good things in life, people can and do take advantage of it.

Regards,

IRANdokht

Re: Hahaha

Wow you completely prove my point, this website is full of jackasses with nothing better to do than make inane and childish remarks...Bikhasiat...

Ba Arezu-ye Movafaghiat, Sadegh

Wow!

Sadegh, thank you for compiling this list. I can now better see Fred's excellent ability in writing and describing the truth. This may be the opposite of what you wanted to show, but I do like Fred's writing.

Fred: Obviously, it seems that you leave a lot of comments. What don't make your own blogs? We'd like to hear your excellent views more often. Thank you and good job.

Fred-e-aziz, it actually

Fred-e-aziz, it actually didn't take very long at all...just picked some articles you had commented upon totally at random and this is what came up, incredible isn't it...but seriously, 'rehashed' just look at your comments my dear, you've just done a copy paste job - 'Islamist', 'Jew hater' and away you go, I gotta admit though, you sure got tenacity...

Ba Arezu-ye Movafaghiat, Sadegh

Sadegh is obssessed with

Sadegh is obssessed with Fred.

Sadegh jan: Please seek professional help. You sound like a ticking bomb that might go off any minute...I hope you're not married or have a grilfriend...LOL

Hi

Let me congratulate you on spending the considerable time and effort to put together a sampler. Since I have become the bane of your slew of rehashed lefty essays, and not you personally for all I know you might be a very nice person,  I owe it to you to familiarize you with some basic points. Lets take this sampler galore of yours. First never give only two options as “Which are You an "Islamist" or an "Anti-Semite"?” because that falls under false dilemma category, whereas there are other available options and are intentionally limited. Second, the fallacy of appeal to motives in place of   support always backfires as you should know by now. Third, the fallacy of style over substance never works and in a free society almost always finds someone like me to ridicule it. Fourth and last, false analogy, that is, well I leave that for you to investigate, and finally, listen to your other commenter who has given you a very sound advice.

Dear IRANdokht I appreciate

Dear IRANdokht I appreciate your kind words, but it is important, and yes you are right it is pretty much irrelevant 'who' Fred in fact is, it's his style of 'argument' or lack thereof, which needs to be exposed and shown up for what it is...Factually baseless slander is fairly pervasive on this site. The situation where abhorrent terms like 'anti-Semite' are just casually thrown around everytime someone like Fred disagrees with a blog or article needs to be made less tenable by drawing attention to the dubiousness and spuriousness of their unreason...Thanks... 

Ba Arezu-ye Movafaghiat, Sadegh

who's Fred?

and why should we care so much about what he says?

Dear Sadegh

This site is available to many Iranians and non-Iranians internationally. Who cares what Fred says! There is always someone who says what he wants and won't care how offensive and unreasonable it might be. What he says only becomes valuable when you quote him! somethings are not worth repeating...

I like your writing and I value your contributions, please do not lower the quality of your blogs.

respectfully

IRANdokht