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The "Nazi State of Israel" Is a State of Mind Part I. Hiroshima
16-Feb-2009
This essay may appear to be addressed to the majority opinion onsite, but it's not. It is strictly a matter of convenience. Without both "sides' in the discourse, "we're" just talking in an echo chamber...
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So this is how it happened, I’d been thinking about how to write about all this Israel stuff, and I was joking around on some racey little thread, silly sexy jokes. So I went to youtube to find a song about wishful thinking but I didn’t know any in particular. And one of the first hits that came up was a song I'd never heard of called "Hiroshima" by a band named Wishful Thinking. It was strange because when I think about the state of Israel in relation to recent history, far more than the Holocaust Hiroshima is my central image, and I'd planned to explain why somewhere in this series... Stranger still because I’d just posted a blog about something disturbing that had happened to me the day before, which made a connection between a little bird and Hiroshima, and that’s part of the song, only by the bird they mean the plane that dropped the bomb. So I figured I ought to start off with Hiroshima..
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At 8:15 A.M. on August 6, 1945, pilot Brigadier General Paul Tibbetts dropped “Little Boy” on the city of Hiroshima, Japan. The Japanese leadership had been warned by the Allies that if they did not surrender unconditionally Japan would be lain waste…However Japan had already been so thoroughly saturated with bombardment that the ultimatum was not taken seriously. In fact Tokyo alone had lost about 100,000 people. It is hard to understand how their leaders thought the Japanese people could endure more of such affliction, but they did not want to surrender unconditionally. Perhaps it had to do with losing face. In any case the ultimatum had mentoned no new weaponry.
""Little Boy" killed about 140,000 people that day, almost half the population of the city, and countless others over the course of the years from radiation poisoning. The entire city was leveled. 90% of its doctors perished in the blast. The people at the epicenter of the explosion died immediately, essentially vaporized into what looked like shadows of themselves on the ground in a process dubbed “shadow painting”.. They were probably lucky. Six days later “Fat Man” was dropped on Nagasaki, killing about 80,000 people. Japan surrendered. Peace had been won.
After the bomb was dropped, co-pilot Captain Robert E. Lewis wrote in the airplane log, "My God, what have we done?" Pilot Brigadier Genera Paul Tibbetts, interviewed several times later in life, said that the day he dropped the bomb was the most boring flight of his career. He also said that he slept clearly every night. The name of the plane he flew was the “Enola Gay.”. Enola Gay was his mother..
Out of the nightmare of the Second World War. the State of Israel was born.
(please watch video now)
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The 20th Century was the most horrifically violent century in the history of humankind, no doubt simply because until then we did not have the technology to kill so many people. It would appear that this kind of violence is somehow part of human nature, worsened in the past 5000 years of patriarchal “civilization”, with its ever more complex societies, technologies and weaponry, accelerating wildly in the last 500 years.
When I think of the atomic bomb, I think of it as the culmination of these five thousand years of what I call “Big Dick Technology", and I think of the macabre dance of the mushroom cloud as its great cum spew. In this 20th Century of ours, we seem to have met the crucial point in our development as a species where in order not to destroy ourselves, we will have to recreate ourselves. And that would entail transcending patriarchy. How that would be accomplished and what that would look like we're not sure. We only know, most of us I think, whether consciously or subconsciously, that it must be done.
Bush definitely did not help us leave the 20th century behind us..Yet when I think of all its depredations, its two World Wars, its Vietnams, its gulags, Killing Fields, Ruandas and so forth, I don’t really think about each one of them as anything much in particular. Rather I think of them as all part of one process, that of patriarchy leading to its inevitable point of inflection. Similarly, when I think of Al-Qaeda, jihadism, Khomeinism, Hamas, even Christian Fundamentalism, I think primarily of a backlash from the horrors of modernity and what it bodes for the future, an attempt to hide in some mythologized hyperpatriarchal past.. And so when I think of Israel and the Palestinian predicament, I don’t think of it as anything much in particular either, although as a Jew it does distress me more than the usual, not simply because Israel is the Jewish state, but because its being so embodies such a tragic historical irony.
People are so angry and I don’t blame them, me too. But the difference is that non-Jews' questions usually go something like “How could the Jewish people who endured such suffering now inflict it on someone else? How could they build a Palestinian wall that creates a ghetto so similar to Warsaw?”. Whereas my question is “How could they not?" And this makes me somehow less angry. But I think it also deepens the wound.
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The postwar Swiss psychologist Alice Miller, examining the fact that children who are abused by their parents often abuse their own children and others as adults, and studying in particular the childhood of Adolph Hitler, postulated what she termed alliance with the agressor. Surprisingly, she felt that the roots of the phenomenon were existential, that a psychological mechanism of a kind of giving a seal of approval to the parents by taking on their role, prevented them from having to face an existence which would otherwise be too cruel and meaningless to bear. It is also well-known that torture victims often abuse their children, or anyone else they can get their hands on. As fate and the four winds of history would have it, the Israelis have the Palestinians.
Zionists will claim that the Palestinians have also committed depredations upon the Israelis, and they are correct. In actual fact, even before the massive immigration of Jews following World War II, unprovoked violence had been perpetrated against the settlers.. However, the particulars of who threw the first stone are unimportant to me.. It is only natural that in such a situation, both parties have thrown many first stones. I am only concerned with the present, and at present it is an incontrovertible truth that Israel is top dog, .has far more military might, is backed by the most powerful country in the world, and uses excessive force. Israel has allied itself with the aggressor.
This is something very difficult to face for a people who have suffered so much , who have one of the greatest ethical traditions in the world, and who believe so fervently in their nation. But there is nothing shameful in shame, and this collective shame must be faced by Zionists if peace is ever to be achieved. Almost all humans desire peace above all else, and. once clear progress toward peace begins, shame will rapidly turn into pride. Due to my upbringing and previous beliefs, and my failure until recently to have been proactive enough, I have a share this shame. But Truth and Reconciliation is the only hope. And in the current climate, this process can only be initiated by Israel.
And well, now you too will say to me this and that. You will talk about American Imperialsm and how Israel is the pitball and is the tail now wagging the dog? and the war economy,and I will say yes, it is true, I know, it is terrible. You will tell me about the “Holocaust Industry” and I will say yes, you are absolutely right (but what about the “’Holocaust Industry’ Industry”?) About rotten Zionist terrorist leaders who were in Palestine way before the Holocaust. You will say many things, say this particular and that, and probably I know them and probably I will agree. But for me, this “Nazi State of Israel", as some of you so love to call it, remains first and foremost a state of mind. It is the coalescence, the densest manifestation, of where we have arrived in our evolution, and human evolution must always be toward greater consciousness, greater Mind. Otherwise it is devolution.
Thus Israel embodies the great question of whether we are to transcend patriarchy,. which will determine how we survive as a species. Israel is our great challenge. I believe Iran shares this pivotal role. But in Iran the problem manifests itself primarily in tthe emancipation of women the breaking away from patriarchal religion, while in Israel it manifests as the relinquishing of territorial claims and the laying down of the weapons themselves. And so when I see these two nation states yapping at each other like dogs, it doesn't really surprise me. And when I think of the words of the prophet Isaiah inscribed before the United Nations and written out of praise for the Achaemenids, "They shall beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore," this does not surprise me either
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So the question of Israel is The Question, The Problem, has been for decades and will remain so for some time to come. For as long as we go on our little vacation indignation junkets now and then when the big shit hits the fan, and relax doing our laundry during the long lulls between ceasefire and explosion .
How we cope with Israel, how we tame her and how we ultimately will have to judge her will shape in no small part I think the direction of our future.Because Israel is Enola Gay’s darkest daughter, but we are all the children of Enola Gay.. And our father is the gruesome 20th century, is patriarchy itself. In judging Israel, we judge humanity itself. And if we forget that for one moment I personally believe our future is hopeless.
That is my opinion as one of many non-Zionist Jews.For the rest I cannot speak.
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Rosie
by true persian (not verified) on Thu Feb 19, 2009 06:52 PM PSTI think you are wrong for the most part. The only reason Iran is not closer to the communist bloc is to have their help with the Nuclear technology and also to have support against the west(i'e the enemy of my enemy is my friend) but in reality one they get powerfull the first to suffer from Iran would be the communists because Iran is a theocracy. The Islamists used the same strategy to overthrow shah of Iran and after the so called Islamic revolution they killed them all. Global Jihad does exist but they are waiting to get more Powerful. This is the strategy Hazrate Mohammad used and succeded.
As for the hatred of the Islamic government for Israel has nothing to do with Israel's role as "watchdog of the Middle East" for and funded by the "Great Satan" but it has more to do with Iran being a theocracy and they believe that Hazrate Mohammads spirit had traveled to Jerusalem after his death. As you know, Bin laden's father had converted the temple mount which is most sacred to Christians and the Jews into a mosque and they call it Al_Aqsa mosq where they think Mohammad's soul traveled into this Jewish place and it is no longer considered a Jewish temple/
As for hamas you are right. It was not created by Iran but it is supprted by Iran . As for other terror groups i,e Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad, they are both created and supported by Iran.
Please just go to the bold, TP
by rosie is roxy is roshan on Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:43 AM PSTPlease just go to the bold part at the end and let's start there. I was going through your argument in order and I want to start with that part.
I didn't mean to hurt your feelings.But if what I said yesterday hurt your feelings, I truly apologize.
No worries. But if you were the one who called me a self-hating Jew etc. that's a bad way to establish a dialog. I don't even remember who it was...
Aside from that, i think I have been all logical in my point of views and you have not confronted me with enough logic.
Didn't you call yourself just Persia until recently? Weren't you the one who wrote a long historical post about early Zionism and I asked for more information and never got it? Just asking. Let me know.
Instead you get upset when you have no answer. I hope that you accept my sincere apology.
No I don't get upset When do I get upset about argumentation? I get upset about certain extreme name-calling, the bs of a certain person below on this thread when her contempt, nastiness, and ever-latent cultural chauvinism toward most Iranians, Muslims and Arabs get so out of hand it breeds anti-Semitism and makes it impossible for anyone to hear even the smallest iota of any case for Isrel (I don't really give a sh-t about what she says about me personally, it's water off a duck's back), and occcasionally I get upset when I am caught between the two "sides' accusing me each one of the opposite and it gets too stressful.
You say you are jewish but you are anti-Zionism.
I say I'm Jewish but I'm anti-Zionism? No I AM Jewish and a non-Zionist. I've said it so much that it shouldn't be doubtful, I hope it's not. I do not say I am an ANTI-Zionist, I'll explain why later.
You say you are not sure whether or not Israel has the higher moral ground as far as Israel is concerned. In other words you are insinuating that terror groups in the middle east region may have the higher moral ground
Not sure what you mean by first sentence. You made a mistake. One of the two should read Palestine, which one? I think I know but please clarify.
As you know Hamas, Hezbollah , Islamic Jihad and other groups are are created and supported by the Islamic regime in Iran not because they are about the palestineans but because the israelies are considered infidils and kafirs and are not to have their own country besides the muslims.The aim of this regime is eventual pan_Islamization of the world
No, I don't necessarily "know" all this, first of all Hamas was largely created by Israel itself. (As Taliban by US and Saudi Arabia). I do believe the concern of IRI for the Gazans this time was in no small part humanitarian, as was the whole world's except of course Israel. However, I think the ideological and geopolitical reasons for IRI's support of these groups against Israel has more to do with Israel's role as "watchdog of the Middle East" for and funded by the "Great Satan". Israel IS an extension of the US, w/o US funding (as well as protection w/in the international community from resolutions against it in the UN and so forth) Israel would've ceased to exist long.
I believe that although under Khomeini it was definitely true that one of the main agendas of IRI was global jihad and he did a lot of damage. But that ended a while back. Rafsanjani was a pragmatist interrested in economic gain and the Reformists were obviously not Jihadists. I believe the Conservative backlash came more from the military flanking of Iran by the US under Bush than anything else. I do not believe it was insidiously "planned" to expose and then clamp down again on the Reformists. Other people believe this, I don't. I beileve Bush was responsible for the backlash. So I certainly don't believe, having given rise to the Reformists, that IRI's agenda is essentially Jihadist any longer.
Ahmadinejad/IRI has consolidated relations with many third world countries non-Islamic and/or socialist in nature, i.e.. secular, as in Venezuela, Syria etc. Ahmadinejad whatever his personal desire for global jihad may be (and whatever power he actually has) as well as Khameini, etc.'s geopolitical agenda is achieve full global balance of power against good ol' Great Satan & Co. Alliance with Russia is consolidating. Global jihad is the antipode of Russia. It's gone. Dead as a doornail Like the Red Scare. It's over.
I believe IRI does not promote Hezbolla or Hamas primarily for global jihad. It is to go against US/Israeli imperialism in the Middle East. Frankly I believe IRI would support the Palestinians if they were Druids and worshipped trees.
This is the same regime that considers you as a Jew whether Zionist or Non-zionist
Sure as sh-t is.Better be. I am one. Let's stop here and address this issue before the rest, second time now you allude to this.
DO you believe non-Zionists are not "really" Jews. Please let me know yes or no, and if yes, why? Otherwise I'm unable to proceed with the discussion.
Many thanks,
Rosie
PS I like you too. :o0
Rosie Jaan
by ebi amirhosseini on Tue Feb 17, 2009 05:18 AM PST99.5% right !
Tasmim gerefteham keh baayad bemoonam,chonkeh faamile man injaast.
cheers
Ebi aka Haaji
Ebi,
by rosie is roxy is roshan on Mon Feb 16, 2009 08:13 PM PSTTasmin kardeham keh baayad bemoonam choonkeh famileman injaast.
O toh divaneh mesle hamisheh hasti. Tuyeh in website keh timarestaanast.
Did I get it almost right?
You're right where you belong, Uncle Ebi. Right where you belong,
Rosie Jaan
by ebi amirhosseini on Mon Feb 16, 2009 07:24 PM PSTI'll Make You An Offer You Can't Refuse !!!
I do agree with Irandokht aziz & shekar.
BTW
On a lighter note :
Khodeto loos nakon !.
Ebi aka Haaji
I think you are nice(despite
by true persian (not verified) on Mon Feb 16, 2009 06:53 PM PSTI think you are nice(despite our differences of oppinion)
True Persia:
by rosie is roxy is roshan on Mon Feb 16, 2009 05:13 PM PSTTP:The best way to find out about your fishie post not going through would be to write Jahanshah directly at jj@iranian.com and give him the same summary you just gave us. That is actuallly the procedure and he should answer you by e-mail and if he doesn't, I'd wait a day, then try one more time ,since he is inundated w/e-mails...... try.
Now could you do me a favor please and assure me that you are going to come back here and read and reply to my replies to you 'cuz they're gonna take time and effort so I just wanna be sure.thx, r...
As I said,
by tsion on Mon Feb 16, 2009 03:53 PM PSTtruth often hurts. :-)
Zion
TO ALL AGAIN, FROM AMERICAN WOMAN
by rosie is roxy is roshan on Mon Feb 16, 2009 03:52 PM PSTI thougt the full coment I'd made in the blurb box on the blog page was visible but it's not. (& also forgot about the trackers...) Basically what it said was:
This khareji ain't goin' nowhere.
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLQJ4toj-JY
TO ALL AND TO Z:.
by rosie is roxy is roshan on Mon Feb 16, 2009 03:24 PM PSTZ. just called me a "dhimmi" Jew below. You can see what it means in my reply. I told her NEVER to call me that twice and honestly she owes us all an apology for it and also for other comments you can find on my blog which is an open letter to her. (click on my blue name and go to blogs). Dhimmi Jew is a disgustingly hostile and racist term to ALL of us the way she uses it here and I am not going to read a single post she writes again until she apologizes. Which means on the day of the coming of the 13th Imam. So if anyone cares to follow suit it would make it a helluva a lot easier for me to follow the Is/Pal threads in future.
PS Oops! Looks like I'll hafta start with my own thread!
I totally agree
by tsion on Mon Feb 16, 2009 04:04 PM PSTwith that quotation dear true persian. You might also like to check the book by Bat Ye'or. It's called "Eurabia:The Euro-Arab Axis".
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/index.html?curid=3162...
//books.google.com/books?id=6nGivth3FqMC&dq=E...
I don't agree with its more outlandish "conspiracy" oriented theorizations, but it does contain many good points. Definitely a book worth reading.
Zion
Dear Zion
by true persian (not verified) on Mon Feb 16, 2009 02:49 PM PSTAccording to the site below:
//www.masada2000.org/islam.html
"Islam is today being portrayed as a peaceful and tolerant religion. History proves otherwise! Though there were certainly periods of relative tranquility and tolerance, minorities and non-Muslims have always been prosecuted under Islam. In fact, Islamic ideology is based upon an intense hatred of the non-Muslim. For Muslims, there exist two kinds of non-Muslim enemies... kafir (non-believers in Islam) and ahl al-kitab (People of the Book). Kafir, such as Buddhists and Hindus, must either convert to Islam or face execution. People of the Book include Jews and Christians. These people need only submit to Muslim authority to avoid forced conversion or death. Although they may keep their original faith, their status becomes dhimmi (a "protected," yet inferior non-Muslim status). So instead of outright forced conversion or slaughter, the Christians and Jews would be allowed to remain somewhat unmolested as long as they acknowledged the superiority of the Muslim. However, as 100,000 dead Lebanese Christians and Israel's beleaguered Jewish population have discovered over the years, these guarantees have proved worthless!"
The truth often hurts
by tsion on Mon Feb 16, 2009 02:44 PM PSTConditioning Minds: The Signs of Dhimmitude
"dhimmis' lives and properties were protected as long as they remained within the framework of their debased condition; hence, they were called ‘protected people'...I have called ‘dhimmitude’ this condition of 'subjection with protection' ... [t]hrough centuries of oppression [dhimmi nations] developed a particular mentality, as well as modes of political and social behavior essential to their survival. This pattern can be studied in its historical manifestations... as well as among those in the West who replicate, as if by instinct, the behavior transmitted by generations... dhimmitude’s submission is due to insecurity, vulnerabilty, abasement, and the principle of purchasing one’s life thorugh tribute...[exhibited by] individuals who seek their survival by flattering their oppressors."
Bat Ye'or
Some people have simply internalized this to an extent that it hovers over all their actions, which are usually quite pathetic for good reasons. That is just one of those sad sides of reality.
Zion
Some replies (wait)
by rosie is roxy is roshan on Mon Feb 16, 2009 03:33 PM PSTPassing Through: Thanks. Please talk to us more often when youpass through the threads. The blogging community is incestuous. We need fresh air (and fresh water). :o)
Amir: The issue of the atomic bombing of Japan, more than even terrorism but as a war crime, has been largely suppressed in the United States. It's a very good thing that you brought it up so quickly, at the very begiining of the blogging here, even though it may have seemed to many people to be tangential to Iranian issues. It is never tangential to any issue.
MPD: no worries. You know how I am and it gave me tons of time to do the editing and correct all the typos.
Shekar: Part of the reason I created so much drama last week was because I returned to the website to help mediate our "Little Gaza War" being I believe the only well-known non-Zionist Jew here but at a certain point the pressure of being in-between made me feel like a pressure cooker. Also both times there were other personal issues involved in the "drama". What can I say, working out this reactivity issue of mine must be part of my karma.
So since you brought up my big issue, I hope you don't mind if I bring up what I think is yours. We all say that we "know" this about so and so here when we really don't. It's particularly harmful to the website discourse when it concerns anonymous postings because it spreads like wildfire and many times we are wrong. but it causes suspicion and often deteriorates into petty squabbling. I've seen it over and over again. Looking at the cost-benefits analyisis for the site, it's better not to say it (and better to try not to even think it). A close friend here and I argue about this all the time. It seems to be this friend's favorite sport. LOL
And when you think about it you were there when my latest "drama" started and it was because of the same type of conjectures I made that were wrong. Between the two of us I think we reflect the two major problems in the onsite discussions. So could we agree that they're a bunch of b.s. and try to toss them into the sewer where they belong?
ANONFISHA, IRANDOKHT AGAIN: Go downstairs to my post to ID .
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Vt7C2Qz98Q
Cap'n: We will catch that white whale yet! :o;
Zioness,
by rosie is roxy is roshan on Mon Feb 16, 2009 02:25 PM PSTMiss Manners: the previous time you used that expression "dhimmi Jew" on me I googled it and found that it meant a Jew who lived in Muslim lands and was officially treated as inferior. I told you then that you better not dare ever call me that again because I have been welcomed and embraced by this community since the get-go and many Muslims here are my close personal friends.A cursory glance down this thread reveals that you are an idiot.
I have made some progress toward understanding with almost all the major Zionist bloggers on this website. You may in fact be the only one who is as hard as granite. Actually you do have a headful of rocks.
If you have information to share on this website it would probably be beneficial that you offer it consistently without sounding like Atilla the Hun.
It is people like you who make the peace process utterly impossible. You should be ashamed of yourself but the problem is a rock knows no shame.
Dhimmitude is the key concept here
by tsion on Mon Feb 16, 2009 02:06 PM PST//jewishrefugees.blogspot.com/2009/01/roots-o...
So it is not surprising that dhimmis themselves should have such a hard time understanding what is going on. It's a psychological state. Some will always remain dhimmis deep inside. That is all there is to be said here.
Zion
Dear Rosie
by true persian (not verified) on Mon Feb 16, 2009 01:19 PM PSTI didn't mean to hurt your feelings.But if what I said yesterday hurt your feelings, I truly apologize. Aside from that, i think I have been all logical in my point of views and you have not confronted me with enough logic. Instead you get upset when you have no answer. I hope that you accept my sincere apology.
You say you are jewish but you are anti-Zionism. You say you are not sure whether or not Israel has the higher moral ground as far as Israel is concerned. In other words you are insinuating that terror groups in the middle east region may have the higher moral ground
As you know Hamas, Hezbollah , Islamic Jihad and other groups are are created and supported by the Islamic regime in Iran not because they are about the palestineans but because the israelies are considered infidils and kafirs and are not to have their own country besides the muslims.The aim of this regime is eventual pan_Islamization of the world.
This is the same regime that considers you as a Jew whether Zionist or Non-zionist along with other minorities such as Christians and Zorostrians second class in Iran. As for Bahai's they are all considered heretics and a large number of them have been executed. they don't even allow them to bury their dead in the cemetary. How can you support these groups?
It is up to you whether or not you consider responding to my comments but I do apologize again for my previous comment and I can understand why it hurt your feelings.
ID, /All
by rosie is roxy is roshan on Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:05 PM PSTID, I am truly sorry. There are extenuating factors which are very personal which made me behave veryi irrationally. I will try to explaini it all in time. If you have forgiven me, I will stay.
All: Thank you so much for your kind words and support. I will answer each of you by the end of the day. (Except for YOU, Miss Fish! We've talked about it all already :o) )
if I may...
by IRANdokht on Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:02 AM PSTI agree with Shekar and her comment. You are a valuable member of this site and you should continue to write and enjoy the love and respect of it's contributors and members.
This is a thoroughly researched and well written article and a great read.
Thank you
IRANdokht
roiban
by anonymous fish on Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:32 AM PSTi know this is difficult for you but i hope you'll continue. it's like a festering wound... and it just needs to be cautherized to get the poison out.
Rosie
by Shekar on Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:28 AM PSTThis was a very interesting read. Thank you for sharing it with us. I look forward to the next pieces.
What's all this "my last" talk? Stay where your heart is Rosie. Why should you go away? Why do you keep creating drama? You are loved and respected and your article shows why. Don't get sucked into other people's games and stay focused on your ideals and writing and let the rest of us enjoy them, too.
True Persian:
You talk about unfairness? How about if you stop posting as "true persian" when we know all about your registered name? How about if you find the guts to show your face before you lecture others on fairness, least of all Rosie?
You obviously have A LOT to say; why the cowardice?
Stop celebrating Rosie's departure yet. Hopefully she won't leave.
I want to register my complaint
by Multiple Personality Disorder on Mon Feb 16, 2009 08:31 AM PSTI want to register my complaint that this blog should have been featured. I look at the featured list for today and they are all excellent and creative, yet I feel space should have been created for this blog to be featured also. This blog is the result of hard work and care, the writing is excellent and engaging, it is profoundly relevant to recent events, and it's compassionate.
Thank you Roxane for posting it again.
Roxy
by capt_ayhab on Mon Feb 16, 2009 08:04 AM PSTI don't know is I should criticize you, support you or chastise you for the decision you have made. But lets see if I can break it down.
I support you for one and one reason alone, that being, decision is up to you whether to write or not to write.
I am going to criticize you because I think despite your noble intentions, you get discouraged, as we all do who are in business of speaking the truth.
I am going to chastise you because I love your writings and I do not like for you to stop writing.
I am going to chastise you for giving in to the slanderous smear tactics that you, among many other people who have to endure it.
I am going to chastise you because no one promised you that speaking of the truth is going to be easy.
I hope I have gotten my point across, but just in case my English is unable to get my point across, let me put it in layman's language:
[WHAT YOU TALKING ABOUT ROXY]?????
Keep writing and sharing your wisdom, many people support you and love your writings.
Respectfully
capt_ayhab [-YT]
To whom it may concern
by true persian (not verified) on Mon Feb 16, 2009 07:05 AM PSTDeleting other people's comments just because they think different and calling them "Zionist elements" is obviously undemocratic and unfair. I am not a Zionist but I do support state of Israel and it's people.Infact I am a muslim by birth but I hate what these people have done under the name of islam and infact I am no longer a muslim. i have no religion.
By the way Being a Zionist means supporting Israel’s right to self-defense as a sovereign nation. By Definition, the very first Zionist was Cyrus the great.
I was amused to wander through the story of Cyrus the Great, the emperor of Persia, who freed the Jews from the Babylonian captivity and allowed, and encouraged, them to return to Jerusalem. He was the world's first, and most effective, Zionist . Cyrus was the ruler of the greatest empire the word had ever seen, from the Bosphorus to the Red Sea, from the Mediterranean to the Indus. He was a brilliant general and a superb civil administrator. His governing philosophy was to rule with popular support.
Jewish life flourished under his rule and that of his successors. His grandson, Xerxes. He's known in the Jewish tradition as the benevolent husband of Esther.
If everybody confirms your thoughts then what is the point of discussing a subject? All I said was that the terrorist groups such as Hamas, Hezbollah and even AlQaeda are being supported by the so called Islamic Regime in Iran. This regime does not in any way agree with any peace agreement> This regime has global Islamic aspirations and not only has craeted and supported terrorist groups but also is responsible for executing,beheading, stoning and even raping innocent Iranians. this does not give a higher moral ground to such groups in Gaza;And as long as this regime(the Islamic Republic of Iran) remains in power , the world will not see peace and things will get worse as they have since the beggining of the Islamic revolution in Iran in 1979.
O.K., so Israel Gave Peace a Chance. It was a good try. It is not working! She was dealt a bad hand and now it's time to fold. The culture of peace that was supposedly nurtured over the last decade was nothing more than a delusion. The only thing nurtured by the Arabs and their mullah supporters was hatred and incitement to kill the Isrealis, suicide bombing and throwing thousands of rockets into Israel. So where does Israel go from here? Try to defend it's citizens by any means necessary just like any other country does.
And by the way , you call yourself a Non Zionist Jew and say you are not self hating? I suggets that you
read what MLK said decades ago:
From M.L. King Jr.
"... You declare, my friend; that you do not hate the Jews, you are merely 'anti-Zionist'. And I say, let the truth ring forth from the high mountain tops, let it echo through the valleys of G-d's green earth: When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews -- this is G-d's own truth.
"Anti-Semitism, the hatred of the Jewish people, has been and remains a blot on the soul of mankind. In this we are in full agreement. So know also this: anti-Zionist is inherently anti-Semitic, and ever will be so.
"Why is this? You know that Zionism is nothing less than the dream and ideal of the Jewish people returning to live in their own land. The Jewish people, the Scriptures tell us, once enjoyed a flourishing Commonwealth in the Holy Land. From this they were expelled by the Roman tyrant, the same Romans who cruelly murdered our L-rd. Driven from their homeland, their nation in ashes, forced to wander the globe, the Jewish people time and again suffered the lash of whichever tyrant happened to rule over them.
"The Negro people, my friend, know what it is to suffer the torment of tyranny under rulers not of our choosing. Our brothers in Africa have begged, pleaded, requested -- DEMANDED -- the recognition and realization of our inborn right to live in peace under our own sovereignty in our own country.
"How easy it should be, for anyone who holds dear this inalienable right of all mankind, to understand and support the right of the Jewish People to live in their ancient Land of Israel. All men of good will exult in the fulfillment of G-d's promise, that His people should return in joy to rebuild their plundered land. This is Zionism, nothing more, nothing less.
"And what is anti-Zionist? It is the denial to the Jewish people of a fundamental right that we justly claim for the people of Africa and freely accord all other nations of the Globe. It is discrimination against Jews, my friend, because they are Jews. In short, it is anti-Semitism.
"The anti-Semite rejoices at any opportunity to vent his malice. The times have made it unpopular, in the West, to proclaim openly a hatred of the Jews. This being the case, the anti-Semite must constantly seek new forms and forums for his poison. How he must revel in the new masquerade! He does not hate the Jews, he is just 'anti-Zionist'!
"My friend, I do not accuse you of deliberate anti-Semitism. I know you feel, as I do, a deep love of truth and justice and revulsion for racism, prejudice, and discrimination. But I know you have been misled -- as others have been -- into thinking you can be 'anti-Zionist' and yet remain true to those heartfelt principles that you and I share. Let my words echo in the depths of your soul: When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews -- make no mistake about it."
From M.L. King Jr., "Letter to an Anti-Zionist Friend,"
Saturday Review XLVII (August 1967), pg. 76
Reprinted in M.L. King Jr., "This I Believe: Selections from the Writings of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.")
Martin Luther King could identify prejudice better than any of us. Had he lived longer, I believe that the entire society in the United States would have looked much different than it does today. May his memory be blessed.
Just a note
by amirkabear4u on Mon Feb 16, 2009 03:48 AM PSTIn fact there is a lot to be answered;
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Dear Rosie
by Passing Through - (not verified) on Mon Feb 16, 2009 01:54 AM PSTYou need to understand that there are a lot of Iranians who appreciate what you are doing. A lot of people may not say it directly, but they do know your love and appreciation of the Middle East in general, and Iran in particular.
Do not be discouraged by some Zionist elements who support any and all things that Israel does. Unfortunately, they are blind in seeing the truth that is going on.
You write well, and have a talent to get your point across. Remember, you can never please everybody - just concentrate on those that are important - Pure and simple!