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Culture of Halal and Haram
03-Nov-2007
If you walk at random in any Muslim district in Europe, you will certainly find somewhere, at least in one corner, an Islamic butchery with the word ”halal” written on its shop-window. For the products of meat, the word “halal” is a badge of Islamic quality.
Muslims believe that since blood is not ritually a pure substance, slaughter is necessary to inhibit the thorough draining of all of the animal's blood. Furthermore, the verse” Bismillah al Rahman Al Rahim”, in the name of Allah the Beneficent the Merciful, is necessary to render the meat halal or lawful to eat.
The word halal refers, here, to meat killed and prepared in line with Islamic dietary laws. Jewish and Islamic religions demand that slaughter is carried out with a cut to the throat or neck.
By extension, halal means anything permissible under Islamic law, in contrast to haram, that which is forbidden. This includes behaviour, speech, dress, conduct. The term is also used to judge the right of sexuality after marriage, even temporarily marriage (Sigheh), or of own female slave or even rape of female non Muslim prisoner of war—in this light, many political female prisoners of the IRI who were considered “non-Muslims”, were ”legally” raped by their Islamist torturers before being executed.
In an further extended sense, halal means fairness of business dealings or other types of transaction or activity. Therefore, it represents values that are held in high regard by Muslims. It contains standards for social norms, morals, foods and other services that meet Islamic regulations. Needless to mention, in Islamic countries, these are the only available standards for Muslims and non-Muslims alike.
Slaughter is an old tradition of Jewish and Islamic clan society. As a matter of best practice, the killed animal is supposed to be distributed among the members of the clan right after being slaughtered. So each family can often have fresh meat to eat. Like many other religious traditions, this tradition was also accepted as a dogma.
Slaughter reminds us of an old instinct of pre-historic hominoid, to which a prey must be killed by the hunter—the instinct can be seen by a great number of beasts of prey. In another perspective, we see a characteristic disposition of this instinct beyond "Sharia" (Islamic laws) that beheading and amputation of the accused would resemble routine rituals--blood of the accused is figuratively considered as halal, or permitted, and the executer does a halal job.
In this perspective, halal blood can be also a reason for honour killing in the Islamic societies. Honour killing is committed by male family members against female family members, who are perceived to have brought dishonour upon the family. A female can be targeted by her family for a variety of reasons, including: refusing to enter into an arranged marriage, having sex outside marriage, or even being the victim of a sexual assault.
Halal or haram have nothing to do with prophylactic, hygienic, precautions or medical meaning. To better understand halal, we must see what its opposite term “haram” means. Haram has roots in revulsion which is an old instinct of evolution. Revulsion is a sense of loathing without any logical reason or clear explanation. As an instinct, it was a necessary reaction of early human beings when exposed to an unknown food, unknown object, or an unconventional situation.
Object of revulsion is culturally conditioned. It means whatever is repulsive for the members of a given society do not necessarily provoke the same feeling for others. In other words, the terms like halal, haram and negis are nothing but the instinctive reflections, which were integrated into Islam.
In many cases, Islamic commandments and rituals are not only the traditional reflections of desert dwellers of pre-Islamic Arabia, but also based on the Prophet Muhammad’s habits, his sexual preferences, his favourite things, and his dietary habits.
Since sexuality is taboo in Islam, sexual organs, vaginal secretion and sperm are considered as “negis” (loathing and impure), therefore they should not be touched. Blood and any slimy substance secreted by a mucous membrane of the body have more or less a similar sense of negis. Needless to mention, all these secreted or mucous substances, regardless of their odour and colour, belong to normal function of our body.
Not only non Muslims, ethnic groups, slaves and women, but even animals in Islam are not freed from discrimination: dogs and pigs are the most discriminated animals. Term of”negis” characterises their absolute and unchangeable impurity. Pork meat is absolutely haram and dog as a “negis” animal can never be proper pet in a Muslim house. Touching a dog, especially a dog’s saliva, requires ritually hygienic procedure to get the hand clean—if a dog eats from a dish, the dish must be washed 7 times, the first time with sand. Camel was a respectful animal of Arab nomads, dog (despite all its uses in many ways) was labelled as negis creature.
While Marriage of Muslim men with women of the Book (Muslims, Christians and Jews), based on Islamic rituals, can be permitted, all other varieties of marriage between Muslim women and non Muslim men are considered haram--as a patriarchal religion, Islam granted a little concession only to Muslim men. Muslim women are not allowed to marry men outside of Islam (unless they convert to Islam).
No marriage is permitted between Muslims and “Mushriks” (atheists, polytheists, other belief systems which are considered by Muslims negis). The Koran says, “A believing slave woman is better than a mushrik woman”!
As mentioned, terms like halal, haram, and negis are not more than rituals of particular conditions and environments. These terms have no logic and no scientific credentials at all. They are only a part of old cultures which sometimes happen to be imposed as taboo rules.
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To manam: Just pure bullshit.
by * (not verified) on Tue Nov 06, 2007 07:12 PM CSTJust pure bullshit. Quran is non-sense and idiots like you after 1400 years still looking for interpretation of these crappy verses. Man makes it so simple and sophisticated and we reach other planets while GOD makes its books so bullshit that man becomes fanatic and backward.
You and your god both are stupid.
something from another thread....
by manam (not verified) on Tue Nov 06, 2007 02:02 AM CSTI’m glad you asked. I claim only to know little about islam but enough to keep me going. There are many methods moslems ,and people in general, use to pursue the truth about god’s words. They put them in historical, cultural, chronological, social, ethical context to extract some truth out of aya’s. quran says that the pure meaning of these words are only known by god. The best method known to extract some truth out of aya’s is known as clarifying aya by comparing it to other similar aya’s, since we believe there’s pure homogeneity in the message (quran).
So, as you asked about a specific aya relating to prophet’s wives:
Sooreh: "al-ahzaab". Ayeh 50
O Propeht! I (Allah) has made your wives whom you have paid their marriage-portion, legitimate to you, and also those slaves that God granted you as war-prize to possess (owne) , and daughters of your uncle, and ....
A LITTLE DIFFERENT TRANSLATION (some meaning altered/lost in translation)
Here is my translation:
O, prophet, we have made lawful to you, your wives, to whom you have paid their dowers; and those whom your right hand possess out of the prisoners of war whom god has assigned to you and……
I would like to complement this aya with another one about 12 aya earlier in the same sooreh:
Ahzab, 28:
O, prophet, say to your consorts: If it be that you desire the life of this world abd it’s glitter, - then come! I will provide for your enjoyment and set you FREE in a handsome manner;
My role model, prophet, lived a life of piety and was known in pagan society as the most trusted character. In this aya, we come to the subject of the position os purity, the wives of the wholly prophet. Their position was not that of ordinary women. The only youthful marriage of prophet was his 1st marriage (Khadije, the richest women in peninsula). He married her 15years before he was appointed for 20years. During her life, he had no other wife which was very UNUSUAL for a man of his standing among his people. When she died he was 50years old. For two consideration, he would most probably would never marry, since he was the most abstemious in his physical life. The two factors for remarriage was:
1. compassion and clemency as when he wanted to provide for suffering widows, who could have not provided in any other situation in that stage of society; some of them like Sauda, had issue with her previous marriage requiring protection.
2. help with his leadership, with women, who had to be instructed and kept together in large muslim community, where women and men had similar social rights; aishe was known for her cleverness and had authority to assist prophet. Zainab was specially devoted to the poor – was called mother of the poor; zeinab bin jahsh also worked for the poor for whom she provided from proceeds of her labor. They were called “mothers of ummat (nation). Their life was not like that of Odalisques, either for their own pleasure or their husbands; This is why in the aya 28 god tells them if they want glitter life, they could be divorced or set free with ample support.
1st , slavery was a widely practiced in the world prior to islam and one of the traditions that islam eradicated was slavery. You refer to prisoners of war as slaves which is totally different. This is one major distinction I need to make. Prophet never kept slaves, as a matter of fact, prophet and ali had a common practice of paying money to buy slaves and set them free. Just imagine in the context of those days where Christians, jews, and other arabs were in the business of trading slavery. Now someone comes and pays for slaves freedom!
2nd , taking prisoner of war is a common practice that is even excercised now. remember what videos and pictures are published in this day and age about abu-ghareeb or gitmo camps. This is the ugly face of war. As a matter of fact what saddam did to Iranians or what pol-pot did to kambodians are far uglier. They actually did it in the name of nationalism and communism – no god involved. The atrocities that were committed in Bosnia are the most barbaric acts of war where ethnic cleansing was systematically done by killing men and raping Moslem women to alter their race composition – religion under attack. It parallels what Hitler did to poor jewish masses in Europe – another religion under attack. By whom, some nationalist lunatics or anti-god. History is full of these occurances.
Now I ask a question, is it a bad idea to protect and provide for the needy in the society like islam preaches? The point is we do get INTENTION involved in religion, in all religions.
Can you imagine doing this without letting your passion for lust get involved? If you can, I call it humanity at it’s best. I don’t care if you are atheist or religious, if you care for needy without any strings attached, I admire you. Why, because my role mode says: if you do not have any believe in god, at least be free, free of hatred, dogma, arrogance!!!!!!!!!!!
question on Muhammad and sex with 9 years old still unanswered.
by Larry Brown (not verified) on Mon Nov 05, 2007 02:34 PM CSTAli, there are questions unanswered. In west, you can not dodge a question by raising another jebrish question. I have heard some Muslims do this style debate that I find not constructive. After going over all posts, there was one post that responded to your justification “You ignore 30 minutes of torturing by letting a live animal to bleed to death but focus on feeding well the animal before actual torturing! You are saying torturing is fine as far as you are well feed!”. I wonder why you did not respond to that post and why you still brought it up to me which does not answer my question.
My second question on Muhammad and sex with 9 years old still unanswered.
Larry
To All Humans: You humans have no rights.
by Allah (not verified) on Mon Nov 05, 2007 01:12 PM CSTThis is me Allah. Shut up and submit to me. Pray to me and shut up. I burn you for eternity if you do not listen or deviate. You humans have no rights. just shut up.
Allah
To Larry Brown
by Ali (not verified) on Mon Nov 05, 2007 05:26 AM CSTThe islamic rules for killing an animal all tend towards minimizing the animal's suffering, like feeding the animal first, using a sharp knife and cutting the throat as fast as possible, not taking the animal away from its mother before certain age...etc But it will always take some time for the animal to die no matter how you kill it! How else did you expect the muslims to kill the animals if they were not to become vegetarians? by lethal injection?!!
It is very dishonest to try to make the Islamic way of slaughtering animals more cruel than the other methods. The way animals are killed in western democratic societies through industrial farming is WAY more terrifying and cruel: http://www.meat.org/
So, once again stop spreading false information.
To Anon, I like to hear your answer on these questions
by Larry Brown (not verified) on Mon Nov 05, 2007 01:58 AM CSTAnon, express your Muslim take on your prophet Muhammad marrying and having sex with a 9 years old child. I also like to hear your opinion on “Halal”. It seems to me this is very cruel for an animal being alive (heart still beating and brain still functioning) and bleed to death for thirty minutes or so.
This sexual desire with 9 years old child and killing style of animals do not speak for a religion of peace. Explain your view.
Islam and peace? Who are you fooling?
by * (not verified) on Mon Nov 05, 2007 01:43 AM CSTWe were brought up in a moslem family. We are ex-moslems. Whom are you fooling?
Islam and peace. After 1400 years, there is no single peaceful moslem on earth. They all kill non-moslems for Islam.
Islam is known for equality
by Aaron (not verified) on Sun Nov 04, 2007 11:12 PM CSTIslam is known for equality among all human race. it stands for justice to all human. That is the message of islam - peace - peace in one's soul, brain, body, in relation to others, in relation to nature and in relation to god.
no nation can claim to be utopia right now or in the course of hiistory. one can only create utopia at personal level. if a nation goes wrong, god will bring other nations who deserve to dwell on earth. If a nation is rich and doing well, it does not mean it's utopia. Look at the consumption of prozac's, milanta's and other drugs in materially progressive societies.
I've see many moslems, jews, christians and other religius people to find that "peacfullness" within right here in this society or developing nations. A happy smile in teh face of a materially poor individual says so much about the richness of his/her life.
Peace;
Against Islam?
by * (not verified) on Sun Nov 04, 2007 07:43 PM CSTAgainst Islam? As if Islam has any constructive tenets. After more than 1400 years, what do you have to show? Name one country after 1400 years that is an Islamic utopia.
So, stop inflicting pain on Iranians and others. Can you sense how much pain and misery you Islamists have brought to all of us? Guess not. This is the point it was raised by another poster here at the beginning that Islamists care less for suffering of others.
Islam is a cult otherwise it would accept others. You Islamists kill.
vastly erroneous content of
by aaron (not verified) on Sun Nov 04, 2007 02:11 PM CSTvastly erroneous content of this article is not so important as it's message is; As expected highly coordinated campaigns are at works against islam. Obviously, the source is israel. the opposition iranians are the tools to push the islam-bashing within iranian community and the international channels are all known as well.
The majority of people are no dummies and know the intentions of these human filths how they promote animosity and corruption in the world. All this to knock down IRI? I can sense islam-bashing will actually legitimize IRI among moslems.
on the other hand, Foreign policy of US is highjacked by some brutal psycopaths who only see their own selfish interests. This surely represents US as a irrational force in the world, completely in contradiction with national interest and will weeken US power in the world. we were in a much stronger position in world arena 10 years ago than now and even more so 20years ago. Is the US citizens and administration realizing this? I think yes otherwise bombing iran had already happened two years ago.
peace to all earth citizens;
rashidian, I like your glasses; they make you look more intellectual!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! try to get it off and put a stain-free glasses on to see the world around you as is in it's totality! instead of collecting the exceptions and accidents from papers and books, try to see the majority of the moslems as they live.
To Long_live_Iran
by Ali (not verified) on Sun Nov 04, 2007 01:28 PM CSTI am not going to reply to your over emotional and childish statements. I am making a perfectly rational comparison, pointing out at the double-standards in the way people judge muslims as oppose to others. And I am criticizing the amount of hate mongering, bigotry and racism in the articles and comments of a website called IRANIAN.com.
Now if you want to call me an Islamist terrorist or accuse me genocide against my own people or other such stupid comments and insults, don't expect a rational reply from me. Same is true for everyone else who doesn't want to bother themselves with thinking a little bit and formulating an actual argument in their post.
Why are YOU Ali anonymous?
by Long_live_Iran (not verified) on Sun Nov 04, 2007 12:40 PM CSTAli, you are such a lame and pathetic Moslem. Your brainless comparison shows your ill intention. In west, meat industry and its procedures is constantly going through refinement. You can be a part of this change and it is not a scripture in west. In Islam, every stupid and non-sense rules are words of your savage god.
I am afraid of Islamists and your likes to kill me or torture my family for expressing my views against Islam cult. Why are YOU Ali anonymous? What does your Islam says about not mentioning your true name? Does Islamists offer you no mercy either?
Ali, Stop genociding Iranians.
To J Rashidian, "LOL" and everyone else
by Ali (not verified) on Sun Nov 04, 2007 12:15 PM CSTSo muslims are savages for letting the animal die on its own after cutting it's throat huh? (after feeding it first...etc)
Now I am curious to know what you have to say about the good and civilized westerners and the way they treat animals in slaughter houses?
Watch this: http://www.meat.org/
You people will twist and use every single thing to propagate hatred and fear against muslims, but I have yet to see an article or a comment associating the horrible treatment of animals in western industrial farms with violence, murder and rape in western societies or against with the killing of millions of people in vietnamese, Iraq, algeria...etc by westerners.
Mr. Rashidian, Islamists kill their oppositions
by Long_live_Iran (not verified) on Sun Nov 04, 2007 12:10 PM CSTMr. Rashidian, Islamists kill their oppositions; you see this fact in Iran everyday. They know Islam is a bankrupt cult. Here, on internet, they fancy to suffocate their opponents. Write and write please. I know many friends read your articles and in our discussions they all agree with you. There is a huge and powerful movement among Iranians in uprooting their Iranianness and awakening against this dark, backward, brutal, savage Islam which is nothing but set of nonflexible and non-sense rules and dim-witted stories of 1400 years ago about chauvinists and bigots. The God these Islamists worship is very primitive and savage reflecting their own primitively and savagery.
Mr. Rashidian, this period is Iranian mass awakening against this dark and barbarian cult. Iranians must stop their own genocide against Islamists.
Arabs are also trying to free themselves from chain of Islam. These Islam-free Arabs will help Iranians in their quest.
J.R is right!
by kouroush Sassanian (not verified) on Sun Nov 04, 2007 09:58 AM CSTI would not worry too much about these arabzadeh Persian wantabes! I think we have to make sure they are also feed right before the recieve their special delivery from Mohammad. In fact, when it comes it will come with the full support of the legitimate ancestors of Mohmammad. It is ironic and funny! They are proud to be muslims and bend over toward the same place that sent them their demise.
I say they are insane, because they do the same thing everyday expecting a different result.
Artifacts are facades! not part of Islam!
by QA (not verified) on Sun Nov 04, 2007 07:57 AM CSTI second that, Jahanshah Rashidian you're all washed up.
Jahanshah Rashidian you're all washed up.
by Anonymousv (not verified) on Sun Nov 04, 2007 03:55 AM CSTYOU will never see IRAN AGAIN. NEVER.
GARBAGE.
Kill for OIL. American Dream!!! Black Water pays
by American Dream (not verified) on Sun Nov 04, 2007 03:39 AM CSTDon't know when
things went wrong,
Might have been when you
were young and strong.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x37m1v_neil-young...
Whats the point of comments
by Anonymous1 (not verified) on Sun Nov 04, 2007 02:46 AM CSTWhats the point of comments if it only turns into a swearing match and no one contributes anything positive?
Roars
by J. Rashidian (not verified) on Sun Nov 04, 2007 02:35 AM CSTA few Islamists, a number of "fake" leftists (influenced by the tudehist complaisence) make too much noise to protect the IRI. Their twisted arguments seem roars of Hezbollah, Hezb ya'ni Hezbollah, Rahbar ya'ni Rouhallak!. They patch up any opposite idea with a hail of accusation and never objectively tckle the topic.
I see the danger of Islamism, which already destroyed our country, as one of the extreme ideologies after Stalinism and Nazism. However, the advent of Islamism does not exclude other dangers or ambitions "new world order”, globalisation, new liberalism….
As Iranians, we are the obvious victims of Islamism and have the right to firstly tackle its ideology which is Islam.
So once more, I am not developing Islamophobia, racism, or any extremist claims, but opposing to all of them.
Islam and Iran are not compatible
by Islam is poison for Iran (not verified) on Sun Nov 04, 2007 01:19 AM CSTEnough harm by Islam been done to Iran and Iranians.
Islam and Iran are not compatible
Islam and human rights are not compatible
Islam and democracy are not compatible
Islam and freedom are not compatible
Islam and equality are not compatible
Islam and science are not compatible
Islam and civil society are not compatible
Islam and independent judiciary are not compatible
Islam and International law are not compatible
Islam out of Iran; That is the only solution left.
Re; D golstein; try to
by Ben goh (not verified) on Sun Nov 04, 2007 01:14 AM CSTRe; D golstein;
try to expend out of your own pocket. why US of? America has paid more than enough to israel;
What is this anti-semetic BS? if I say what you say to zionists, it becomes anti-semitism, if you say it to moslems, it's ok!!!!!
hypocracy at it's best!!!!!!!!!
Ali, Are you stupid or what?
by LOL (not verified) on Sun Nov 04, 2007 01:12 AM CSTAli, Are you stupid or what? On your response to JR, you said "Of course, when he describles the Islamic rules for the ritual of killing an animal, he writes about the blood being drained from the animal body, but he never mentions that the animal has to be fed before it is killed so it doesn't die hungy or thirsty."
As a typical moslem, your justification on every issue sucks. You ignore 30 minutes of torturing by letting a live animal to bleed to death but focus on feeding well the animal before actual torturing! You are saying torturing is fine as far as you are well feed!
What kind of fuck up are you?
Ey kamangir, ey
by kamankesh (not verified) on Sun Nov 04, 2007 01:06 AM CSTEy kamangir, ey tirandaz....tirato dota dota bendaz....age beshe tod o tond bendaz.....che tirandazi che kamani che ashi che kashki che madi che marde ablahi;
eshme kachal ro mizarand zolfali
esme khaen be vatan ro mizaran kamangir!!!!
dorood be ravan Arash vatanparast kamangir;
The World needs to know....
by Kouroush Sassanian (not verified) on Sat Nov 03, 2007 11:29 PM CDTPersians have been struggling with Islam for centuries. Many have finally come to terms with their rapist. This is the first step to start the healing process. The Persians who take pride in being anally violated through the centuries and even now must get the fuck out of Iran and move ayribia where they will be welcome, as their ancestors were some 1400 years ago.
You fucking idiots so many Persian womens were enslaved and sent to Ayribia and all you can do is worship those cocksucker arabs!
This is not about racisim - this is about freeing Persians from 1400 years of captivity.
"Halal and Haram" Fitish
by Yawash-Yawash (not verified) on Sat Nov 03, 2007 10:48 PM CDT"Halal and Haram" Fitish is an American FAD.
Go kill Iraqi children for Oil it pays well.
Kill Muslims for OIL, It pays very Well.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8905191678...
Again Shekam va Zire shekam
by Kamangir on Sat Nov 03, 2007 09:57 PM CDTThis lustful and bloody ideology of shekam va zire shekam called islam, is desgusting every normal human being around the world.
Pain in the ass!
by Kamangir on Sat Nov 03, 2007 09:54 PM CDTIf they want to abide by the islamo-arabic nonesenses such as halal and haram, that's fine, the thing is they are forcing everyone else to do the same. That's the main problem, Islam once again, a pain in the ass!
Muhammad was fucking a 9 years old, is it halal or haram
by Kian (not verified) on Sat Nov 03, 2007 09:40 PM CDTJust curious, being a pedophile as prophet Muhammad was
(since his wife Aieshe. a 9years old girld, is this halal or haram is Islam?
To Ali
by caspianseamermaid on Sat Nov 03, 2007 08:53 PM CDTPlease, look up the words "ideology" and "moral absolutism" before you throw them at me.
Then please don't assume and jump to the conclusion that I come from the 'moral relativist's " point of view. Way off!
I do, I find ALL religions abhorrent,highly immoral. Did I write anything about religious followers here?
I have never claimed to be inclusive, neither do I want to be that fashionable. What the hell does inclusion have to do with anything I wrote anyway?
And. I quoted myself again so that you would stop misquoting what I wrote. You missed it again. I said: researched to a level and well-formulated.
Please, stop reading and quoting imaginary text into my posts. Thank you.
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