..... a question for ALL Iranians of any ethnicity and religion. Where would your allegiance lie and why? What factor(s) would affect with whom you side with and why?
Disclaimer: Niether the question nor the content is intended to offend / divide, but to promote understanding and unity.
Notes: The heading and content of the original post have been edited. Comments posted prior to October 10, 5:50pm EST are in response to the old
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hey! hey. There. Go easy with the name there, you netjunkies
by KouroshS on Wed Oct 14, 2009 09:15 AM PDTHey dudes First of all. You two kids, that is right, i am talking to you the yippie and the yappie (hollyUSA and KHARAkhaki) Need to watch how many times you throw my name around alright? It ain't funny anymore.
Kharmagas Congratulations for be gand keshidane yet another thread. Are you proud of yourself? You have outdone yourself. or have you? As far as "male khodete" issue goes, You'd do much better if you had concentrated on your own misery, rather than issuing fatwas as to who should do what. You were the one who threw in the term "cult" in the middle of this, to try to warn of what me and farhad are supposedly intenting to accomplish.
So yeah. Again, good job in putting yek pa invar and the other pa oonvar and going pzzzttt.... at it,
HollyUSA
1- so make sure that you pay attention to how and when you type that LOL. don't overdo it then.
2- A hit-and-run scenario basically ha? Very elegant! You can come in and dump your humorous comments on someone, and vanish and "the rest of us can go on"? No responsibilty whatsoever? It don't work that way lady.
We should "ALL" watch these clips, fine. But YOU And This veez veez boy needs to pay much much closer attention than everyone else.
And cap_ayhab
Pleased don't be doing this ok? Once you go down that road, it would be fair for the rest of us to "emulate" and follow the marjae Taghleeds and reesh sefids on this site. You are supposed to be a role model based on your years and level of experience on this site.
So just don't do that man. It ain't cool.
To Whom it may concern
by capt_ayhab on Wed Oct 14, 2009 07:24 AM PDTFor Mr.'s XPC, Farhad Kashani, Bijan AM.
Since you gentleman are in process checking the alliances of people who live in US and are citizens, at the same time have love, support and devotion to another country , I have one person who you gentlemen need to check out for his credentials and devotion.
Mr. Rahm Emanuel, Chief of Staff, while being in one of the highest offices of this nation, has served and fought in IDF[Israel Defense Force] during Gulf War, Kindly ask him where his alliance lay.
Then you can worry about my alliance and devotions. ;-o)
-YT
P/S Mr. Farhad Kashani, stop lying about me and slandering my name, You are totally out of line and a vicious lair. This is your last notice.
Who is "WE" Kashani
by kharmagas on Wed Oct 14, 2009 07:52 AM PDTKashani says: "We never resort to attack someone.."
who is WE, you and your CULT.?
You just messed up, KouroshS was trying to deny the WE, the CULT,... claiming it is an imagination! (*)
(*)As he (KouroshS) said "The only cult here exists within one's imagination".
We never resort to attack
by Farhad Kashani on Wed Oct 14, 2009 06:06 AM PDTWe never resort to attack someone unless we get attacked first. Honestly, you can go back as far as you want, and you will see that it's always people who associate themselves with IRI sympathizers, like kharmagas, who initiate the insulting and the name calling.
That's been proven. Just like IRI, they think they can intimidate you by doing so. What they don't know is that the joke is on them.
As long as they keep it civil, we will keep it civil. But we will not let them get away with intimidation and scare tactics.
HollyUSA
by kharmagas on Wed Oct 14, 2009 07:04 AM PDTHow long have you been writing that you talk with such a condescending attitude?
If you had minimal amount of political and social maturity why did the original heading of your blog was so appalling!?
If you did it for RATINGS (as many suspected), you got it, you got to the most discussed list, with just asking an appalling question and no substance! ..... you have a good resume to work for Fox News. TAKE IT EASY and be happy!
Kharmagas
by HollyUSA on Wed Oct 14, 2009 02:12 AM PDTTake it easy. None of this stuff is important either way especially after just watching the videos JJ has posted from Azad University. But just so we are clear:
1) 'LOL' is a clear indication that it is a joke. Granted niether you nor him took it that way. Perhaps becuase this medium leaves much to be desired as a communication tool. Understandable. And/or perhaps whennamecalling is the order of the day we just can't tell what is a joke any more.
2) ' I believe ' and '(at least for me)' means MY opinion pertaining to ME! i.e. The rest of you can go on for ever and day.
3) YOU saw fit to tell me that you cleaned up and explain why you couldn't clean up completely. I never asked you to nor expected you to. It was a nice thing to do (even if as you admit for not such great reasons). It was polite to thank you. I did.
4) Why the hell would I think you argued with him because of me????
We should all see those videos. It will put all of us to shame deservedly so.
HollyUSA, you ARE NOT a moderator
by kharmagas on Wed Oct 14, 2009 02:04 AM PDTHollyUSA says ".Kourosho velesh kon. Maleh khodameh LOL I declared war on him almost
upon arrival at i.com. Don't be fooled by the pleasantries. It's just
some covert Israeli tactics keh daram roosh piyadeh mikonam ; ..................
On that note, I believe this thread has reached its useful life (at least for me). .....
Thanks much for cleaning up."
HollyUSA, You are acting as if you are the moderator. YOU ARE NOT. JJ is not that immature to allow that.
I did not delete my comments out of respect for you but out of disrespect for you, so you don't owe me any thanks.
Also I did not argue with Kourosh because of your majesty, I argued with him because of what he wrote. I did not intend to prevent your "pleasantries and covert tactics ".
BTW KOUROSH is totally yours (male khodeteh)! :)
kharmagas
by KouroshS on Wed Oct 14, 2009 01:20 AM PDTThe only cult here exists within your imagination, that has done great work ruining and shredding into pieces, your perception of the reality. You have convinced yourself into believing that there are actually those out there who have the immense power of "intimidating" others (what a delusionally rediculous concept) On the internet.
That is not surprising at all for someone who considers IRI not the real enemy and even expects to see cooperation, at least to a certain extent, between this rotten and corrupt system and whomever emerges from the green or black or maroon movement to lead this country in the future.
Yeah. You got it there poncho.
and of course, for reform-minded and free-thinking spirits such as yourself There is indeed a right and there is a wrong and smack dab in the middle there is hollowness, in which you have taken a rather firm and sturdy stance.
Congratulations. You have made your case. Sweet dreams now.
You
by KouroshS on Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:54 AM PDTShould have thought of this way back before you accuse me of fuling the fire.
PS
by ex programmer craig on Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:17 AM PDTThanks to everyone who supported me while I was away! It was nice to read through these comments and see that I didn't recieve a totally one-sided asskicking!
Hmmm....
by ex programmer craig on Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:22 AM PDTWell, I guess that's what I get when I leave comments here and then go out for the day/evening! I come back and find out I not only got "crucified" but the comments have been unofficially closed! I'll just pick one comment at random to reply to before I leave this thread. I'll choose IRANdokht's since she has worked the hardest at making my stay on IC unpleasant.
Thank Captain Ayhab for explaining it! I gave XPC the benefit of the
doubt thinking he just doesn't know why we prefer not to go back and
live in Iran.
a) You've never given me the benefit of the doubt about anything. Don't try to put me in your debt. I don't recieve "benefits" from you. I recieve insults and deletions.
b) I understand very well why most of you left Iran and why you don't wish to return except for short visits. Did you think I was lying when I said my ex-wife grew up in communist China? Or are you completely ignorant of what conditions there were like while Chairman Mao was alive?
I thought he missed the part where we talked about the
old Iran we grew up in, the changes and all the personal details many
of us have shared here, hence bringing up the human side of the
website. I guess some patriots need everything to be spelled out for
them too or is it just personal... who cares!
That paragraphs seems to have contained nothing but insults... or am I too much the American idiot to understand the point you were trying to make?
XPC, you explained yourself real well in your comment.
I know! That's one of my many talents! I am always VERY CLEAR with my intent and my opinions. It's a sort of American trait... stay here long enough and you may even learn how to do it yourself!
You are here
because you think we who like our homeland must really hate our new
home.
Now see? Even after admitting I have excellent communication skills and am easy to understand, you somehow got it wrong. I understand having divided loyalties just fine. And I've said so in the past on this very website. What I don't understand is people who come out and admit that 100% of their allegiance goes to Iran... when this is a man who has been living in the US for decades and even raised his family in the US. Maybe that makes sense to Iranians, but I suggest that any Iranians who feel that way don't admit to it in mixed company. Because, *that* we won't understand. If you have nothing but complete apathy (or hostility) towards the US, then GTF out and make room for somebody else who actually wants to be here.
You also think that I should not even choose this nickname,
instead I should show loyalty to the country where I have spent almost
all adult life in, or I should just leave and go back.
Nope, I just found it odd that a woman who has made no secret of her distaste for non-Iranians would choose to accuse a non-Iranian on an Iranian website of being close-minded and ignorant of other cultures. Which of us is close-minded towards other cultures? What does the available evidence suggest? :o
Let me ask you XPC, if you left US to live in say China with your
wife
I wouldn't. I already said that I'd never voluntarily live in any other country than the US for any length of time, because I wouldn't be happy. I said that in my first comment. And I asked why Ayhab is living in the US since he seems to feel the same way I do about America, only about Iran.
And in case you're wondering (I'm sure you aren't!) I have spent a considerable amount of time in other countries.
...would you have to let go of all your love and loyalty towards
USA?
Never. But if under some bizarre circumstances I had to swear an oath of loyalty to another country, I'd do my best to make good on it. Or I'd refuse the oath and take the consequences. I used to be in the Marines, ID. You probably have no clue what that entails, but loyalty isn't just a word to me.
Would you login to an American website and feel bad about picking
an American name?
An American name equivalent to yours? Like what? "American Eagle"? Or some other name that indicates American nationalism? Yes, I would feel embarrassed to be inliving in another country and make a big public show of being nationalistic towards my homeland. I'd probably use my actual name or some variant of it, like I do here. Or maybe I'd choose a Chinese name. My ex used to call me bignose. Maybe I'd go with that, once I figured out how to say it in Cantonese. Even though my nose isn't that big except compared to somebody who has no nose at all. Seriously, isn't it sad when people's noses are so small that sunglasses rest on their cheeks?
Kharmagas
by HollyUSA on Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:01 PM PDTI don't feel one bit intimidated. I can hold my own perfectly well, even face to face che beresseh from behind a monitor! That wasn't a retreat my friend, just refusal to engage in futility.
I don't consider this 'my' blog. It was for everyone to respect, enjoy and learn from, just like any other blog is. And it has run its natural course.
Thanks much for cleaning up. Have a great night.
KouroshS
by HollyUSA on Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:28 PM PDTkourosh, if I thought it was useful for either of us to continue, I would. But I really don't.
Have good night.
did the cleansing as much as I could! Holly
by kharmagas on Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:53 PM PDTHolly, I deleted as many of my comments as I could, a few I couldn't, because of a database issue they have (orphan records).
I posted many comments here to tell these two guys from the same cult that they can not intimidate me, as they have intimidated you, many others before you, and they will intimidate many others in the future. Sometimes there is right, there is wrong and nothing in between and one has to take a stand.
have your "blog" now.
Persoanl attacks
by Jahanshah Javid on Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:05 PM PDTIf personal attacks continue on this thread, it will be closed to further comments.
Stick to the issue and stop attacking each other.
HollyUSA
by KouroshS on Tue Oct 13, 2009 09:55 PM PDTDO we not write blogs and start discussions for the sake of ALL people to participate? Maybe next time you think of doing a write up you should also announce who you would like to see taking part in it.
But when someone butts in like an unintelligent bat out of hell and spews their usual, tiresome, bias nonsense and and makes unfounded inferences (on behalf of others no less), the atmosphere is bound to change.
Butting in? Unintelligent bat? Now you have picked names for those who choose to come to debates that you set up? And that is "minor scratches" To you? I did not know the purpose of this blog was to Judge people and pick names for them and ultimately determine who is spewing nonsense and who is being more right than god and the pope combined! Learning something new everyday, indeed.
Malice can be handled and juvenile behavior overlooked. Mix the two, and you've rendered the interface useless, and lost your audience (in me at least). And I suspect that holds true for more than just me.
My reference to Kourosh was because he was adding fuel to the fire despite the fact that he had participated in a productive and upstanding fashion up to that point.
I was adding fule to the fire? What rubbish. I merely agreed with FK's positions. It is not my fault that you lack the capacity to accomodate ideas and viewpoints that do not match yours.
You still do not understand what i meant by what i said and are consumed by your fear and paranoia. Oh yeah and your declaration of war on me right from the get-go.
Do me a favor , It really is not up to you nor anyone else to rate the quality of my particpation and how civilized it was, since your conduct is miles away from it, Specially after that little shenanigan you and Magas started. focus on your stuff and keep it like that.
Kharmags
by HollyUSA on Tue Oct 13, 2009 09:37 PM PDTI wasn't referring to your comment to Craig. For some reason that didn't even register on my radar. I was however referring to FK (and Kourosh). I have read much of FK's posts and amongst other things, we are night and day in our opinions. But that doesn't matter, and it shouldn't. What I don't care for, is his manner, and I care even less for his mentality. A lot of people here discussed and disagreed up the wazoo but everyone kept it civil and productive. Even in the cases where there were minor scratches ( and I did some of that minor scratching myself ) it was either quickly, peacefully and positively resolved or both sides agreed to disagree, because all sides were willing & able to be reasonable and civil. But when someone butts in like an unintelligent bat out of hell and spews their usual, tiresome, bias nonsense and and makes unfounded inferences (on behalf of others no less), the atmosphere is bound to change.
Malice can be handled and juvenile behavior overlooked. Mix the two, and you've rendered the interface useless, and lost your audience (in me at least). And I suspect that holds true for more than just me.
My reference to Kourosh was because he was adding fuel to the fire despite the fact that he had participated in a productive and upstanding fashion up to that point.
As for you guys poking fun at each other, I enjoy banter too. Just in smaller doses, with more relevance and as long as it doesn't start to dominate the page(s).
On that note, I believe this thread has reached its useful life (at least for me). My sincere thanks those of you who intelligently contributed to a better understanding of our differences.
That show
by KouroshS on Tue Oct 13, 2009 09:01 PM PDTHas awsome characters in it.
There is this attending doctor who supervises a resident, a rather nervous and sometimes short on medical knowledge and everytime he comes up to him the doctore starts slapping his forhead with this fingers. here is a clip of his impression of "annoying man" check it out. He is not talking to that nervous guy here, but just listen to the conversation:)
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKxILa9qK8E<
KoroushS jaan, yeah no
by Farhad Kashani on Tue Oct 13, 2009 08:38 PM PDTKoroushS jaan,
yeah no kidding! But remember, we have to be more stubburn than them.
No, not really, why?
Merci farhad jan
by KouroshS on Tue Oct 13, 2009 08:29 PM PDTThank you for all the support. You know, really, Neither one of us can really doubt others' loyalty and faith toward iran, despite the fact that at times things get out of hand and control is lost. But to think and to see that this process of labeling still is going on so religiously is really the serious roadblock to any form of unity and oneness among us iranians.
I mean i do not care whether you are for Mousavi or Jeghele the clown, When you still think that you are right and the other person is soooooooo wrong to the point that he may even be a follower of an ideology that would result in destroying iranians, Thatis when we know our problems go far deeper that what color we throw our support behind.
KoroushS jaan, Absolutely
by Farhad Kashani on Tue Oct 13, 2009 08:25 PM PDTKoroushS jaan,
Absolutely agreed. The world community need to help the Iranian people with some sort of covert opt (It takes more than 1) to take this regime down.
This regime is, by far, NOT only Iranian people's problem. Its the world's biggest problem. So everyone has a stake. Even China and Russia, they just don't know it yet.
Zende baad.
by KouroshS on Tue Oct 13, 2009 08:21 PM PDTVagheake zadi to khalesh.
And the truth of the matter is that it really is not hard to grasp that pure and solid fact. Would I or others advocate for a covert attempt to take these sob's down, if i wanted to see ordinary iranians killed? Were there massive casualties when Israel attacked Syria?
SO why would i still be labeled as a pro-zion or israeli or........?
KoroushS jaan, You said
by Farhad Kashani on Tue Oct 13, 2009 08:19 PM PDTKoroushS jaan,
You said it, they are desperate. Desperate cause their regime is dying. They are hanging for their life, they gonna bash you, bash Israel, bash America, anything they can hold on to. And these days, they are like "Babr Zakhmi". More dangerous than ever. Do you see how many IRI propaganda Shah Gholam posts a day?
Aziz, they are simply the worst that Iranian society has to offer.
Ghorbanat.
IRANdokht , Thats where
by Farhad Kashani on Tue Oct 13, 2009 08:15 PM PDTIRANdokht ,
Thats where you're making a crucial mistake. For 30 years, IRI has diverted the subject from itself to Israel. You wanna fall into their trap? Go ahead.
For 30 years, every time any Iranian asked for his freedom, before they hang him, they called him an "Israeli" and called him an "agent" and immediately talked about how Palestinians got it. For 30 years, they told Iranians to rally behind them cause "Israel is bad"! They don't even let any Iranian talk about the Israeli issue other than what the official version is. Thats how anti Israelism is important for IRIs survival.
Why don't you get that aziz? I'm amazed! I mean people like kharmagas, Shah Gholam, Ostaad and capt ayhab are helpless, but why you ghorbanat beram?
Farhad
by KouroshS on Tue Oct 13, 2009 08:14 PM PDTWhat gets me is this pathetic strategy of undermining our sense of pride and honor that we feel toward our country. It really take a desparate person to take such cheap, cheap shots at others. It is as if they have run out of logical means of proving their claims, as to explaining why is it that they think you or I, defend bombing iran, rather than seeing the truth, so they go down this endless road of questioning our alligence to our COUNTRY and NOT The GOD DAMN regime who RUNS IT.
Ah. baba... vaghean che adamayi hastan ina.
KoroushS jaan, Inha
by Farhad Kashani on Tue Oct 13, 2009 08:12 PM PDTKoroushS jaan,
Inha namard tar az khodeshoon, khodeshoon hastand. But we have to be aware and treat them exactly the same way.
yeah, we are honorary memebers, arent we! lol.
I've said it before, every time they call me a "Zionist", it makes me more determined to go after them. Thats how the Iranian people inside of Iran feel too. We have to turn this anti Israelism around and use it against IRI and its supporters to liberate Iran.
KoroushS jaan, Of course
by Farhad Kashani on Tue Oct 13, 2009 08:08 PM PDTKoroushS jaan,
Of course they dont give a crap about Iran. How can you like IRI and love Iran at the same time?
Your efforts in standing up for freedom and democracy in Iran and expose IRIs Fascism and IRIs goons like kharmagas, Ostaad, capt Ayhab, Shah Gholam and others are vital.
Good job aziz.
just an FYI
by IRANdokht on Tue Oct 13, 2009 08:08 PM PDTThe title of this blog is not about IRI, it's about Israel attacking IRAN:
If Israel attacks Iran will you side with Iran?IRANdokht
Farhad
by KouroshS on Tue Oct 13, 2009 08:05 PM PDTLOL
Mibini che khoob cover mikone? Mige. Oh. we are just exchanging humors here.
I just want to know how many PC's has he borken and how many Keyboards has he damaged, every time he is done using this site.
Be AIPAC ke mano shoma Honorary members hasteem gofte zekki.
farhad jan. Have i missed the deadline to send in my membership dues?:)))))))))))))
kharmagas kalak
by Farhad Kashani on Tue Oct 13, 2009 08:02 PM PDTThose days that IRI and its goons like you can change the "topic" from IRI to Israel are OVER!
Kalak, in kalak-ha digeh fayedei nadareh.
The topic is always IRI.