Musings of a former chicken

So how come..

The only argument against sanctions these IRI apologists can come up with is that sanctions harm "ordinary Iranians"? Since when do IRI supporters give a damn about ordinary Iranians?

You're on Thin Ice Pedro

You see often Fred's criticism here of the Iranian regime is taken as virtually wanting to Bomb Iran into the ground from some here who are very,very sensitive to that Idea.You see who is the most sensitive here,they are only sensibly hoping that Iran is not bombed.But There is not much meeting of the minds,so to speak.Be careful you will be simply labeled as either for Bombing Iran or not Bombing Iran and have go thru defenses.The same is true of the subjects of fighting terrorism and most political discussions..

Have a wonderful free day

Is this what I'm admitting?

Is this what I'm admitting? Oh sorry you are one of those. I didn't notice. I got in the wrong discussion. Sorry again.

benross

So I take it you are admitting that you dont care about Iranians so long as you undo IRI? Why limit yourself to sanctions. How about carpet bombing the place so true Iranians such as yourself can go back and rebuild the place? 

Fred and supporters of said

Fred and supporters of said policies admit that its going to hurt Iranians. But they dont really care what happesn to Iranians. Their loyalties lie elsewhere... 

Let's be clear, we discuss different matters, in good faith, among Iranians who want to undo IRI. If you are not one of us, do not interrupt. If you are one of us, show how else we can undo IRI. Is that fair enough?

pedro...

So because an idea is foolish and has the potential to make ordinary Iranians suffer I should provide you with a better idea?

Fred and supporters of said policies admit that its going to hurt Iranians. But they dont really care what happesn to Iranians. Their loyalties lie elsewhere... 

Their own medicine

First one Islamist brands me as “Anti-Islam” knowing it is a death fatwa then his sidekicks follow with the same death charge. Nothing doing, this ain’t their Islamist Rapist Republic where their Islamist brethrens make any unsubstantiated charge their dark Islamist heart desires.

Here in the sane world and especially America, the land of the free, they can’t just issue death fatwas. The sacks of Islamist liars have to prove their bogus charge in the form of direct quotes from me.

Islamist/Anti-Semites and their likeminded lefty allies have short memory and forget when they were on the attack and can’t take a taste of their own medicine. Here in  America they can’t silence me and my kind.  

The triumvirate members are funny.

you have a better idea or

you have a better idea or these are my reasons why sanctons are ineffectine.

Precisely, instead of personal attacks and useless accusations we should discuss whether sanctions would work or not. Since I have mixed feelings about this issue, I like to hear a well-reasoned and thoughful discussions backed up with evidence and supportive arguments. I have to say that I'm against long-term sanctions a la Iraq.

What kind of sanctions the obama adminstration and Fred have in mind and to achieve what goals??

Pedro,

What are you calling a personal attack? I did as I always have done describe his positions which he has admitted to many times.

Did I make fun of his name? Did I call him "haji" or "gandpa" ? Did I ridicule his profession or his religion? That's what Fred does all the time to other people and frequently lies about it later. He does this to public individuals with real names and careers even though he uses a fake name his own person is not known, and hence couldn't be "attacked".
Do you understand the difference?

For you to ignore these and cry "personal attack", unfortunately proves you are not objective in the slightest.

Can you tell me why so much personal attack on fred?

Why don't you post an essay every day and inform us that you have a better idea or these are my reasons why sanctons are ineffectine. BTW. Please, please do not attack me, I am not taking freds' side. I'm just folowing everyones essay about current events in Iran.

AK and Moosir: totally right!

Don't forget the economic class that most supports Ahmadinejad.

There is a lot of dishonesty going on here. The west could easily agree to simply swap old fuel for new fuel, so that at no time will the Iran have to wait for new fuel. Other solutions like a multi-stage transfer could also solve this problem. But the Obama administration seems to be stuck in the mode of trying to impose a solution that forces Iran to rely on the same western countries that repeatedly broke their contracts with Iran. They must know, this plays right into the hands of the hardliners playing the nationlist card.

Fred, is stubbornly single-minded about harsh sanctions to the point where external reality simply doesn't matter. In other words, no matter what happens, he wants sanctions which is the AIPAC policy.

This is a sign of someone with an agenda, not someone with a solution.

Before it is too late...

Fred needs to come to his senses that sanctions are not going to topple this reimge. Of course he doesnt give two shits about the iranians who will suffer under sanctions. All he cares about is his own selfish interests.

Sanctions in this case are ineffective;Marg Bar Jomhuriye Eslami

"the sane world has to impose airtight sanctions and at the same time unremittingly help enslaved Iranians with moral and material support to overthrow this Islamist menace."

I say the support is good enough; sanctions never prove to e effective against the regime. They simply push the poor people over the edge with less than what they had before. That is not the right way to force a coup. 

AK69