Enough is enough. Americans are fired up and will demand action from Obama after this incident. A thuggish regime which badly miscalculated when it stole an election outright and when it spent months futilely trying to crush protest has now made a big miscalulation in dealing America if Obama has an ounce of courage.
A few weeks ago a group of Revoutionary Guards wandered into Iran
and were released a day or to later. BY contrast the Khamenei regime
has held 3 American hikers who strayed accross the border for months.
Now it has dared to charges the three hostages--and that is what they
undoubtably are--with espionage charges. The regime KNOWS those
charges to be false just as it KNOWS so many of the charges it has made
against innocents within the country are outright lies.
If Khamenei thinks Iranians will rally around him if he precipitates a war via aggression of this sort. They do not want US ground troops surely except possiblyl for a few special forces to arm and train the people. Let the
Iranian people handle the regime on the ground while US forces
"neutralizes" the IRCG bases and HQ from the air.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/10/world/middleeast/10hikers.html?ref=global-home
Kicking around unarmed opponents is one thing, but it this
two-bit dicatator thinks he can such strong arm attacks against the USA
is something else again. It's clear no regime can safely allow
tourists, businessmen, trade missions, journalists or diplomats inside
a country like this with a regime that doesn't follow the rules of
nations just as it stomps on its own people. This is an act of
aggression.
Like most Americans I am ticked off. Though I've been a strong Omama supporter, if he tolerates such aggression without taking strong countersteps (and I don't mean falling to his knees and begging the Supreme Murderer to let them go, he will rightly be seen as weak. This crisis will hurt him as badly as the Bay of Pigs hurt JFK in that case.
The
Khamenei regime needs an ultimatum--let 'em go now or else. Whatever
the USA does, all nuclear talks must end immediately and full sanctions
introduced as a conseqence. At an absolute minimum no more nuclear
talks until all US citizens are freed. Even then, sanctions should
remain in place until talks are resumed and even then until it is clear
the regime isn't simply playing games. Personally I'd like to see
sanctions remain until the regime collapses.
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Their families say the trio
by sag koochooloo on Tue Nov 10, 2009 02:37 AM PSTTheir families say the trio were tourists who strayed across the border accidentally after leaving their hotel in the Kurdish region of Iraq to go on an excursion to the waterfall of Ahmed Awa.
It is understandable to arrest and investigate those that cross borders, but to actually go ahead and formally charge these 3 young hikers with spying is typical of this regime. IRI charge anything under the sun with espionage and plots against the state - including iranians. So what do you expect?
The timing is suspect too, Iran could be using the case to pressure the US into accepting a counter demand that leaves it in possession of most of its stockpile of nuclear fuel .
Roxana Saberi was arrested in Tehran in January and convicted of espionage, then released in May after appealing her eight-year sentence. Her release was followed two months later with the freeing of five suspected Iranian agents held by the United States military in Iraq.
So .... they're just "useful".
To Q
by MeyBokhor_Manbarbesuzan on Tue Nov 10, 2009 01:09 AM PSTHe is not swallowing the propaganda. He is dissipating it.
Imagine...
by MeyBokhor_Manbarbesuzan on Tue Nov 10, 2009 01:08 AM PSTImagine if three Iranians were caught on the US side of the Mexican/American border and claimed they were just hiking and enjoying the view. Where would they be now? What would the US press say about them. What would Iranians in the US say?
So I agree with Q when he sez "Western lives are more important than Iranians."
I said DON'T be silly, and DON'T swallow the propaganda
by Q on Mon Nov 09, 2009 03:05 PM PSTthe only people who say they were "Quds" forces was USA for self-interest reasons. They were in fact civilian employees of a consular office, who should have had protection.
Your point of view is painfully and boringly obvious: Western lives are more important than Iranians'
To Q--propandandist for the Supreme Murderer and Clown
by FG on Mon Nov 09, 2009 02:59 PM PSTThere's a big differnence. THose arrested were members of the Quds special forces--not civilians--and they had been providing sophisticated IED devices, just as Iran has been supplying weapons and trainers to Shia in ALL nearby areas to foment troubles. That's a huge difference.
It would be something else if these Quds types had been Iranian civilians spreading democracy and talking about human rights (a crime under Iran's despotism) but they were engaged in killing Americans.
Actually, for that reason, I think we should have begun long ago treating the Iranian regime to its own tactics. Oh, it is so vulnerable and hated. The timing couldn't be better.
For Ali (a correction re IRCG incursion)
by FG on Mon Nov 09, 2009 02:53 PM PSTAli: The IRCG forces wandered into Pakistan. Considering the timing (it was after the bombing attack that killed several top IRCG thugs), the fact the incursion was military and the fact that such incursions had been threartened, it's quite a big difference from three civilian hikers.
Don't be silly
by Q on Mon Nov 09, 2009 02:28 PM PSTI admire your attempt at "fair play". Actually, if that's your concern, you should know that innocent Iranians were seized by US troops in Iraqi Kurdistan, held and tortured for over a year.
So these kids have some time left.
I am confused
by Ali P. on Mon Nov 09, 2009 02:22 PM PST"A few weeks ago a group of Revoutionary Guards wandered into Iran
and were released a day or to later."
They did? INTO Iran? From where?
Was it supposed to be Iraq?
Iran threatens further violations of international law in future
by FG on Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:07 PM PSTThe IRCG has threatened to target Iranians abroad in the near future. That would obviously include Iranians who live in American and are American citizens and who contribute to sources like this.
In essence a criminal and outlaw regime proposed to do abroad what it has already done at home in its self-created crisis: reverting to an abysmal past behavioral pattern.
FOR THAT THREAT SEE:
http://www.roozonline.com/english/news/newsitem/ar...
Such behavior also constitutes an attack on sovereign states. If they can target our people--even within our own borders--we can target the people who do the targeting within Iran's borders. That goes for every nation where Iran engages in such outlaw state behavior.
Up to now Iranians who lived abroad, citizens or non-citizens of France, England, the USA, etc., have enjoyed the freedom to speak up without fear of violence, imprisonment, torture and beatings suffered by their counterparts in the old country. El Supremo Bozo is proposing to change that.
One of our first responses should be to arm and train the opposition, including persecuted ethnic minorites inside Iran. If you are going to be accused of something, you may as well do--especially under such provocation.
Besides the Khamenei regime is well known to have armed minorities in Lebanon, Yemen and elsewhere. A ship loaded with weaspons and with Iranian military advisers was recently intercepted on the way to Lebanon.