Islam a Religion of Peace? I don't think so!

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Islam a Religion of Peace? I don't think so!
by Fesenjoon2
20-Sep-2012
 

 Have you noticed that the only religion that keeps repeating the phrase "... is a religion of peace" is Islam? If it were truly peaceful why would it need to keep repeating it? Do you ever see any other religion continually saying this?

When you take a closer look at current affairs though, things become a bit more clear: As it stands today there have recently been around 40 conflicts worldwide. Out of those 40 conflicts, Islam is either the cause, supporter, or aggressor in at least 31 of them!!! Only 9 conflicts are not involved with Islam in any way, or at least not directly. Now I may have incidentally missed out on a conflict but I have put together as many as I could find, here is the list:

Conflicts Involving Islam:

* Armed tensions in Afghanistan (2001-present) - Islam

* Afghan Civil War - Islam

* The "Arab Spring" - Islam

* Conflict in North-West Pakistan - Islam

* Republic of Macedonia Conflict - Islam

* Somali Civil War - Islam

* Syrian Uprising - Islam

* South Sudan-Sudan Border Conflict - Islam

* Iraqi Insurgency Post US Withdrawal - Islam

* Libyan Factional Fighting - Islam

* Tuareg Rebellion - Islam

* North Caucasus Insurgency - Islam

* Operation Enduring Freedom: Horn of Africa - Islam

* Islamic Insurgency in the Phillipines - Islam

* South Yemen Insurgency - Islam

* Insurgency in the Maghreb - Islam

* Shia Insurgency in Yemen - Islam

* Nigerian Sharia Conflict - Islam

* Kurdish-Iranian Conflict - Islam

* Balochistan Conflict - Islam

* Kurdish-Turkish Conflict - Islam

* Insurgency in Jammu and Kasmir - Islam

* Insurgency in Ogaden - Islam

* Papua Conflict - Islam

* 2012 Conflict in Lebanon - Islam

* Yemeni al-Qaeda crackdown - Islam

* South Thailand Insurgency - Islam

* Conflict in the Niger Delta - Islam

* Sectarian violence between muslims and buddhists in Malaysia - Islam

* Uyghurs uprising in China - Islam

* Bahrain Sunni-Shia civil conflict - Islam

* Saudi Arabia Sunni-Shia tensions and uprising in Qatif - Islam

Other Conflicts not involving Islam:

* Lords Resistance Army Insurgency - Not involving Islam

* Insurgency in North-East India - Not involving Islam

* Naxalite-Maoist Insurgency - Not involving Islam

* Colombian Armed Conflict - Not involving Islam

* Mexican Drug War - Not involving Islam

* Internal Conflict in Burma - Not involving Islam

* Casamance conflict - Not involving Islam

* Cambodian-Thai Border dispute - Not involving Islam

* Korean Conflict - Although fighting has ceased North and South Korea are still technically at war.

As you can see if Islam didn't exist the world would be a lot more peaceful, the majority of the conflicts currently being fought are being waged by Islamists. So much for the religion of peace, that is at war with other religiobns ("kuffar"), women, history, culture, and even music!!!....

BTW,

picture shows a sign inside a university library in Iran, posted by "The Center of Quran and Holiness", which reads:

"The most vicious and reprehensible things that God created to test Man with, is music. Music brings poverty, misery, hypocricy, and segregation." Imam Baqir (AS) in Usul-i Kafi

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Alimostofi and fesenjoon2,

 

Again, I made it very clear how every verse can be interpreted. Yes Qatl is Qatl, but under what circumstances. It says Muhareb or Kafar, well, who is Muhareb and Kafar? And also, again, if you’re supposed to die if you’re a non-muslim, then why does Quran say you got your religion and I got mine and says killing one person is killing humanity, not specifying if he is muslim or not? So you supposed to do QATL, but if you do it you kill humanity??? Hmmm.

 

As I said previously, you are missing the point, but unfortunately you are not the only one amongst Iranians, especially after what we’re suffered 30 years under the IRI regime. Nowadays, thanks to Khomeini, it is very easy to blame Islam on everything. Prior to 1979, that wasn’t the case. Look back and see how many “Islam” related conflicts were there (If they were there at all!) prior to Khomeini’s revolution compare to now.

 

The point is no sane person will kill someone or performs QATL even if he truly believes Quran said so. So the issue is not with Islam, it’s with the socio-political-economic structures of a nation. Like I said and you chose to overlook/ignore, an educated yet devoted Muslim (as I said there are millions of them) will not perform QATL although that person will fast, pray 5 times a day, wears hijab and everything else that comes with it.

 

Be objective. Don’t be emotional.


alimostofi

Koran is very clear.

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What makes Koran special is that it explicidly states when you can kill. It does not contradict. It is very clear. There is no interpretation. Moslems know this. There is no wiggle room. You have to do exactly as it states.

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Fesenjoon2

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you are misguided. There is no interpretation for the word QATL. Qatl means murder. It doesnt mean hugging, and it doesnt mean kissing, and it doesnt mean love. It means KILL. Spill blood. Cut head off. And it has been instructed by Allah:

http://www.alquranverse.com/4/89/Pickthall


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Alimostofi,   Again,

by Iran 2050 on

Alimostofi,

 

Again, if we want to go down the road on how to interpret different versus in Quran , we will never finish and that’s exactly my point. There are some who would say Quran didn’t mean that, it didn’t meant that everyone who is non Muslim should be killed, or it didn’t even say it, or there is more to it.

Cause again, in Quran, there are versus that says be kind to others, and killing one person is killing humanity and “you got your religion and I got mine”,,so why does the same Quran who says you got your own religion and I got mine, comes back and says well if you don’t have my religion, you need to die??


Iran 2050

Dr Mohandes,   And

by Iran 2050 on

Dr Mohandes,

 

And it’s for the 100 millionth time that I heard this garbage, intolerant and racist rhetoric by you and others that Islam is causing this and Islam is causing that, not knowing what Islam is, not knowing that Islam is an ideology just like any other, and not knowing that any ideology can be interpreted a million different ways.

 

So for the same misguided argument that gets raised saying “Islam is violent religion” my response and not only mine, but anyone who looks at issues objectively and empirically, will be the same rule that will never change in the fields of sociology and political science.

 

You said it yourself, what we see in Pakistan and elsewhere is the VIOLENT translation of Islam, here is the thing, you need to think empirically and research to see WHY some folks and some societies pick up the violent translation and why some others pick up the moderate and liberal translation? What are the percentage of extremist in Iran and Pakistan and elsewhere compare to the total population and why does it differ from one country to another? Don’t they say they believe in “Islam”, the same “Islam”? So why didn’t anyone attack U.S embassy in Dubai or Kuwait or Malaysia or Indonesia (The biggest Islamic nation) and why did they in Pakistan and Libya? What are the social , political, economical conditions of these nations? Don’t those conditions create the actual interpretations????

 

Have you ever asked those questions Dr Mohandes?


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by Dr. Mohandes on

It would be better for all of us to live in the world of realities and face some hard facts and stop living in the wonderland.

Of course capitalism and other Isms have their good and bad sides, but what sides are playing out NOW in our world to which we are bearing witness?

The real dilemma is when some school of thought or ideology can be interpreted in various ways or as we say in farsi: ash e shole ghalam kar!


alimostofi

What makes Koran different.

by alimostofi on

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Of course you are right. But in this case, Salman Parsi, made sure, that in the Koran, unlike Torah or Bible, it clearly states that people can be killed. And the Koran is the word of God. There is no argument. It is a fact.

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Alimostofi,   That’s

by Iran 2050 on

Alimostofi,

 

That’s inaccurate. Again, just like any ideology, Islam can be interpreted in a million different ways.


Fesenjoon2

Dr M

by Fesenjoon2 on

Dude, its more than the Omlette/fesenjoon. Youve probably heard their famous motto

از دامان زن است که مرد به بهشت میرود!

(بخصوص از زیر دامان)  

 


Dr. Mohandes

Nice work there fesenjoon

by Dr. Mohandes on

Congratulation on the job well done! 

No, no. that is not how you are supposed to read and interpret the information. You can officially consider yourself misinformed my friend. there is currently an extensive campaign to prevent the irrisponsible and reckless spread of false information... 

You see, they are setting up specially designated Colleges for our female students and they are calling it "the University of Basic and advanced Home economics" and that is where they are taking those ladies to, and their motto is "forging ahead to brighter horizons...one omlete / fesenjoon at a time". 

Iran2050

This maybe the 2000th times that i am reading the same exact words here by you.

I don't see anything misguiding about this at all and i would not place the blame on what transpired back in '79! that is absurd. Decades have passed and many countries have developed their own totally independent version of the deceased iranian leader had in mind so No whitewashing there. That part is history.

I am failing to see the relevance of your bringing up the concept of why we should keep in mind various interpretations of islam!! For what we have before our eyes is the most radical form of such an intrepretations, By so many from the educated segments of the society, i.e. The Lawyers and legal scholars in pakistan conducting a rather angry demonstration DEMANDING the closure of US embassy in that country. You can not beat this, you have Violence and Radical interpretation all in one shot!

I agree with you that devout and wealthy ones would not directly get involved, but a little inquisition and research would tell you that they ARE the sources who fund and encourage such craziness. 


alimostofi

Koranic Killing

by alimostofi on

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Do you know that the Koran is the only book that clearly states situations you can kill in the name of God?

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Fesenjoon2

2050

by Fesenjoon2 on

"religion and ideology OUT of STATE matters". I'll gladly take that.


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This article is misguided

by Iran 2050 on

This article is misguided and misinforming and not looking at the cause of the issues.

 

First of all, most if not all conflicts occurring in the name of Islam is result of the 1979 Iranian revolution which introduced Iranian thugery in the name of Islam and exported it to the entire world causing the conflicts you mentioned (Sodoor-e-Enghelaab). What Khomeini introduced has NOTHING to do with Islam. It is Iranian lower class (neglected and oppressed lower class during the Pahlavi era) thugerry behavior.

 

Second of all, Islam is like any ideology, there are infinite numbers of translations and interpretations associated with it. Same as capitalism, communism, socialism, Christianity, Zoroastrianism, nothing in an ideology is set stone. For every verse in Quran that can be interpreted as violent, there are 10 verses that can be interpreted as peace loving. So which side will you take?

 

Third of all, many of the conflicts you mentioned like Tuareg and Kurdish – Turkish conflict have NOTHING to do with Islam.

 

Forth, conflicts most of the time if not all the time, have socio-economic-political roots. Example, an educated yet devote Muslim (And there are millions and millions of them) would not ever blow themselves up and kill innocent people, or behead others, or what have you. However, since Khomeini was an uneducated, bigot and a thug, he called for all those. So lets be objective here.

 

What needs to be done is to keep religion and ideology OUT of STATE matters. That includes ANY ideology.


alimostofi

Be Positive.

by alimostofi on

Before you go off slagging Islam, remember it was an Iranian who created it. He was called Salman Parsi.

Before him Kartir, another Iranian was killing Christians en-masse.

You better use your time to spread the good in the world, instead slagging.

Living in a negative proposition is not good for you. You need to find a positive outlook.

Speak of the better alternative.

Also Islam loves bad press.

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IRANLOVESISRAEL

Muslimic people are...

by IRANLOVESISRAEL on

a bunch of hayvoon that must be treated like hayvoon!

Give Shlomo SAVAK and a bunch of torturers and I'll give you back Iran of pre-1979! 


Anonymous Observer

Fesenjoon

by Anonymous Observer on

Dude, what do you expect from a religion that began with violence, was spread through war and violence and demands the beheading of anyone (such as your truly) who disavows it?


Fesenjoon2

Dr M

by Fesenjoon2 on

dude, my 3 point shooting is so good that Doc Rivers offered me a spot on his roster! :-))

But seriously, if it werent for these navaabighs ruling Iran, we would currently be exporting software and smart phones to Korea, instead of the other way around.

I hear that this year, the top priority of the ministry of Higher Education is seperation of the sexes on university campuses. Brilliant! Just what we need to fall ahead of developed countries by another 100 years! 


Dr. Mohandes

Google Translator In the 7th century?

by Dr. Mohandes on

LOL

Sure. music has done all that:)))

What amazes me is that how they can pick such a smooth and fluent farsi translation for what had been said oh i don't know...1700 years ago?

I mean did they have google or did they just have some badass translators? that is what makes me laugh everytime i see or hear a quote right befor the nightly news cast.

thanks fesenjoon. yet another three pointer straight from downtown baby:))

And it hit the back of the net!