Fariba Amini

Baradar Magas

Personal piety is not the issue. West-residing IRI Groupies defend IRI with one side of their mouth and enjoy Western freedoms with the other side. I seem to recall that the 9/11 hijackers drank, gambled, and went to strip clubs not long before carrying out their Holy Jihad against the Devil USA. Were they buddies of yours, Baradar Magas?  :-)

//www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1358665/Seedy-secrets-of-hijackers-who-broke-Muslim-laws.html

Well

the snake with forked tounge did rattle in my ears:-)

But not in the way MK wanted.

• Oh Islamist one why don't you admit it? 
• We know about Taggieh and won't fall for it
• It you do taggieh, don't do it in nonwayi
• You know what happens to taggieh + noon

VPK

Allergy to Shariati II (to mammad)

Mammad, as you see the word Shariati even by me, rattles some cages, me the mortad, me the 1980's mofsede fel-arz and current mofsede fel-samaavaat (the other day here in barzakh, I was given 75 lashes followed by three doses of hot tar, for chasing Merilyn Monroe).

Mammad jaan, despite our widening disagreements would you allow me to say:

qEd

for this ghazi-ieh?

Now

MK backtracks. If not a muslim then he sure does a great imitation of one.

However not having read Shariati is not a surprise. Many of his followers did not even bother reading his ideas. They just followed the Imam without even knowing where he was taking them.  The dates were enough.

Doctor Noise!

Actually I don't have much idea what Shariati was about (I am not a Muslim). But the fact that the resident fascist AIPACI as well as AIPAC sycophants of various flavors (Shahi etc.) are so much irritated by his name is good! 

Baradar Magas is fighting Holy Jihad from within the Devil USA

I wonder why does the great satan aka Shaytaneh Bozorg let Shariati kinds in? I often wonder why they let these totally ungrateful types to come in. Then turn around and trash their host nation with every more. Why not show them the door. 

Baradar Magas is waging Jihad against the Devil America by living in the Devil and enjoying the freedom of the Devil. It is the Islamist hoodlum way of doing things  :-)

Baradar Ali Shariati fought the Devil West by studying and living in Paris and traveling in London. 

Fooladi

I wonder why does the great satan aka Shaytaneh Bozorg let Shariati kinds in? I often wonder why they let these totally ungrateful types to come in. Then turn around and trash their host nation with every more. Why not show them the door. 

Mr Shariati's "anti Imperialistic" stance is not the issue.

The issue is he died in England while awiting his Green card to Great imperialistic satan, the USA to be processed.......

Don't worry Faily!

Sure Faily jaan, for socialist supporters of imperialism (*) , Sosial Amperialist (an old Peykari term) might be a better fit.

(*) Christopher Hitchens, ET, ..FPK

IRI new rules

Require their groupies to put in a minimum number of "AIPAC" in their posts to get paid. Hence recent postings by some on this thread.

Guidelines also putting an AIPAC label on all opposition.

Allergy to Shariati! (to mammad)

Mammad jaan, although you have tried to appease the resident fascist AIPACi (on issues such as sanctions), that is not enough. He is after your soul. That is why the AIPACi and the AIPAC sycophants of other flavors (Shahis etc.) are so alergic to Shariati. Resident fascist knows very well  that the man who said that "cruxy" thing which in a short paragraph had more substance  than lines and lines of articles written by others (*), even if greenized,  will not be good enough for his "sane world"!

(*) such as the ones by Mirfenderesky, Afrasiabi, Sorayya, ....

Responses

Mamad says:

Why is it that history should judge the anti-Iran 1953 coup (according to RP), but the historical verdict about the 1979 Revolution, a much more recent event, is already out?

Because the results of the 1979 revolution are so disastrous we don't need to wait.

The 1953 coup led to mixed results. Iran advanced and prospered under the Shah like never before. On the other hand we lost political freedom. Plus Mossadegh lost power.

The 1979 "revolution" aka British / Carter coup led to an unmitigated disaster. The results are: total loss of political; religious; personal and economic freedom. A was that cost many hundreds of thousands of people on both sides. A loss of over 99% of Iranian rial. The going back to cave man Sharia laws.

Now I know JM and other "revolutionary" are too much of cowards to take responsibility. But it is  a bit too much to see them try to pass it on to the Shah. Therefore I and others like me will be there to remind them. For this crowd to throw stones at the Shah is so laughable that is like Jack the Ripper accusing someone of parking illegally.

that these groups were not around to educate the masses for so long, so that when the revolution came, they would turn to the clergy

As Kaveh said they were around long enough that should have educated themselves. But education is not a strong point of the "revolutionaries". They knew all they needed to know. They hated the Shah and were sworn to bring him down no matter what. They were glad to fight to the last drop of other Iranian people blood. And they did. Then they like the IRI groupies packed up and ran off to the West. Now Mammad gets to enjoy having brought down the Shah. Meanwhile they want to rewrite history to blame the Shah.

They think, for example, that if they call Dr. Ali Shariati a charlatan, they have discredited him, or that it bothers me. To me, such people simply bark, nothing more or less.

Not everything that we write is to upset you Mammad!

The truth is that he was a charlatan and an empy but noisy bag of hot air. Him and the xenophobic Al Ahmad. What did Shariati ever do that was impressive or real, other than sowing hatred and discord. He had charisma but otherwise nothing. His ideas unfortunately got put into action and gave us IRI. In his infinite wisdom he did not bother to think that maybe not every Iranian is or wants to be a Muslim. Being an embodiment of intolerance he did not even think that people should have a choice. No wonder Marxist totalitarians got along with him very well.

Mammad

you said in your earlier comment

".... that these groups were not around to educate the masses for so long, so that when the revolution came, they would turn to the clergy"

sure they weren't around for so long to educate the masses, but they sure were around long enough to educate themselves. was it not Dr Sanjabi acting on behalf of JM that turned to the Clergy, when he visited Paris and accepted Khomeini's leadership, and bestowed on him nationalist legitimacy, that he lacked at the time and without which his support base would never have been enough to enable him to "hijack" the revolution.

Also if you want to quote Asriran, do so. But please don't use Asriran to quote Ardeshir Zahedi.  The excerpts purported to be from AZ's diaries are from IR's fabricated version of his diaries.

No wonder your POV on Iran is so uninformed, given that you rely on such dubious sources.

Kaveh

For Che Guevera Lovers ;0))

Spain's Monarchy a Beacon of Freedom for Cuban Dissidents and Prisoners of Conscience Fleeing their Insular Republic:

Freed Cuban dissidents speak after landing in Spain (bbc)

LOL

The first freed political prisoners from a group of 52 Cubans have spoken for the first time after flying into the Spanish capital.

In a statement issued after they landed in Madrid, the dissidents said exile was a "continuation of the struggle".

The seven men and their families flew to Spain on two commercial flights.

The release of the dissidents, who were jailed as part of a government crackdown in 2003, was brokered last week by the Catholic Church and Spain.

Cuba came under international pressure to free them, after a jailed dissident starved himself to death earlier this year to draw attention to their plight.

...

One of the dissidents, Ricardo Gonzalez, said at Madrid's Barajas airport that being in exile was a "continuation of the struggle".

He continued: "For me change begins with freedom, not only ours and our companions, but all Cuban citizens. We are sure that, given the seriousness of the church and Spanish government, all prisoners will be freed."

"We hope that those who remain in Cuba will enjoy the same freedom as we do," he added, referring to political prisoners still held on the island."

In a phone call from Havana airport, one of the freed men, Omar Ruiz, told the Associated Press: "I won't consider myself free until I arrive in Spain."

Hee Hee ...

Mammad part II

The IRI is anti Iranian. They do not make mistakes they do deliberate crimes. They attack the Iranian culture. They attack our language. They attack NoRuz. They want to turn us into Arabs. Their disgusting cultural revolution will live in infamy. Their leader criminal Soroush is hiding in the West the sickening hypocrite he is.

Pahlavi wanted the best for Iran. Yes they made mistakes but they were not crimes. When someone wants to do good but screws up that is a mistake. When someone wants to do harm and succeeds that is a crime. 

What kind of leader calls a peace treaty "poison"? Hint: a leader who enjoys watching his people die. So now poor Imam got deprived of watching Iranians get killed in the war. He had to make up for it by killing a bunch of leftists. That is criminal.

Now do you see the difference or do you chose to hide your head on the sand. 

PS,

I am not expecting you or your group to ever admit their mistakes. But thank god the old Mossadegh crowd is passing. A new generation is waking up.

VPK

Mammad

About leaders:

• Khomeini did not live in Iran for years but still managed to become VF.
• In fact the Shia are waiting for Mehdi an "Imam" who has not been on Earth for the past 1000 years! I bet Mehdi does not even speak Farsi. If people will accept him then why not RP?
• You do not speak for the Iranian youth. Please do not do what you accused me of doing. The youth will speak for themselves.

Stop blaming the Shah for your mistakes. The measure of a man is in his ability to face up to his shortcomings. Unfortunately too many think admiting mistakes somehow makes them appear weak so they stick to their wrong positions.

The revolution was a farcwe and a mistake from day one. Sooner we fact it the better.

More On Thy Grandpa's Deeds For Your Namak Nashnas Generation

Reza Shah The Great's Visit to Turkey ( Rare Audio File of his recorded Voice). Also about the Ban of the Hijab in Iran, under his reign and the emancipation of Women who get to study as their male counterparts.

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO3JKBolbOg

Albert Grimaldi's Sins ... ;0)

Albert II of Monaco Absolute sovereign of that insignificant yet money making Rock Called Monaco should also apologize for his Ancestors who were : PIRATES ...

But then again you know the French saying : "Qui Se Ressemblent, S'assemblent ..."

ROYAL CURTSY: Shirin Ebadi Greeted by Monaco's Prince Albert II at Geneva UN Panel (2008)

As for Ali Shariati ( Quoted in Mrs. Ebadi's Latest Book see in link above)  ... To my Taste the Fellow was drifting far too much to the Left ... so if you asked me ... Good Riddance ... PULL ...

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk47saogI8o

LOL

Marhoum jaan

Thank you. But, as you know (through reading what I write) I do not give a hoot to such comments. This type of silly behavior is expected, when people cannot argue with you rationally and based on knowledge and the actual history, not the history that they would have liked us believe has happened! They think, for example, that if they call Dr. Ali Shariati a charlatan, they have discredited him, or that it bothers me. To me, such people simply bark, nothing more or less.

I have defended Iran's nuclear program within the framework of international agreements. I am absolutely positively proud of my work in that area. I know that my work contributed to preventing a war against Iran by G.W. Bush administration, particularly when I debunked the claim that nuclear energy is uneconomical for Iran, and when I worked with antiwar groups and deconstructed the AIPAC-sponsored resolution to start war on Iran 3 years ago that led, FOR THE FIRST TIME, to the withdrawal an AIPAC-supported resolution in the Congress (the deconstruction, in addition to being sent to every member of the congress, was widely distributed, and also posted on antiwar.com and Huffingtonpost.com). The withdrawal happened because I showed that there were at least 18 lies in the resolution, the type of lies that the AIPAC Mafioso tries to propagate here at IC (which explains his hatred toward me)!

My support and belief are based on the principles that I believe in, not based on membership in the "hezb-e baad." The AIPAC Mafioso, for example, thought last year that because of what happened last year people like me would stop supporting what we believe is Iran's fundamental national rights, as if I adjust my views based on polls or popularity. Absolutely not.

As my late father taught me at the age of 15, after I was beaten up badly by my high school principal because I had written an article for my high school "rooznameh divaari" praising Che, "either do not claim to believe in something, or if you do, be prepared to defend it, advocate it, and pay the price for it." That is the guiding light in my life. God bless his soul.

Mammad

VPK

I do not know what the devil you are talkling about. Who mentioned Ph.D., academic degrees, etc.?

Just one last comment: Why is it that when it comes to the Pahlavis, they had "mistakes," "did dumb things," etc., but never committed crimes, but when it comes to the IRI, it is nothiong but crime?

Why is it that history should judge the anti-Iran 1953 coup (according to RP), but the historical verdict about the 1979 Revolution, a much more recent event, is already out?

No one expects Reza Pahlavi to apologize for his family's crimes - not me at least - but acknowledge them as such (not "mistakes were made"). After all, THE ONLY REASON that RP is even "matrah" is that he is a son of his father! Otherwise, there are hundreds, if not thousands, of Iranians who are far more qualified to lead anything than RP who, aside from being his father's son, has absolutely nothing to offer and has zero accomplishment in his 50 years of life.

And, unlike what some claim in this thread, no one - at least not people like me - is either afraid of RP, or even cares about who he is. I have not arranged to get Google alerts when he speaks, nor do I go to his site to see what he says. People want to have illusions about him being popular, they can be my guests!

Yeah, the Iranian youth who has lived in hell over the past years supports someone who has lived all his adult life in Europe anmd the U.S., and has not worked a single day (aside from taking care of his money) with the $40 billion that his father left behind. Before anyone jumps in, the $40 billion is according to Ardeshir Zahedi, not some Shah hater!

//www.asriran.com/fa/pages/?cid=79159

Mammad

P.S.: I certainly did not "select" Ayatollah Khomeini to be the leader of the Revolution (my heros of time were either dead or in jail), but the Shah himself made the criminally stupid move to make him a hero, when he wrote that infamous letter attacking him, and published it under the pseudonym Ahmad Rashidi Motlagh in E'telaa't newspaper in January 1978!

no worries mammad!

Mammad jaan, Don't worry about people not taking you seriously. If you continue to readjust your views and show more dar-e baaghe sabz to the "sane world", ..., prove to them that you are no longer the man who said that "cruxy" thing, you will be taken seriously!  They might even make you a CNN or Fox news analyst!

Mammad

There was a time when having a Western education impressed people. In fact having a Western PhD really impressed people. That allowed charlatans like Shariati to become folk heroes. Now it has changed. With millions of Iranians out of Iran a Western education is not a big deal. Many have PhD so that is no longer a big deal either. That is my point about people like you and Amini not being taken seriously. Your Western education and degrees are more common. That is not my opinion: it is a fact.

Look I do not dispute that Shah should have allowed more opposition. I agree that if people read Khomeini's writing  they would not have followed him. I do however disagree that people benefited from being "educated" by either the leftist or JM. In fact the leftists were so ignorant they needed being educated more than anyone. They were being manipulated by the Soviet Union and did not even know or care. 

The Shah had a tough job and really messed it up. But his heart was in the right place. Yes, Rastakhiz; Shahi calendar; Jashne Honar; 2500 year festival were all dumb. He got very arrogant and lost control. I do not dispute these things. But you folks picked the absolute worst leader to oppose him. A change must be for the better; if not then do not bother. Fpr example that is why I have been clear that I see no reason to replace IRI with MKO. Why bother?

As for shutting other voices. Who killed Kasravi? It was not the Shah. We did have good intellectuals but the Islamists had a habit of murdering them. The Islamists have a long history of murdering anyone they do not like; far worse than the Shah.

The Shah did not plunder the wealth. He took some but plunder is far to dramatic a word. It was BP and the British who plundered the wealth. It took the Shah 25 years to get the backbone to stand up to them. Once he did suddenly BBC turned on him and started giving free publicity to Khomeini. The rest is history. We need to know who out real enemy is. And that is not the Shah or RP. Thank goodness BP seems at the verge of bankruptcy. Karma is a tough thing to live with. 

Anyway I am all over the place. The one thing I like is that we are getting all these things in the open. Hopefully next time we won't screw it up so badly. What I like to see is people who participated in the 79 disaster take responsibility. Yes it was not all their fault but they had a big hand in it. Dodging responsibility is not a sign of being strong.

VPK

You made a comment that people are not taking the likes of Ms. Amini and I seriously. That is what I was referring to.

When I say that the Shah eliminated the FM and NF, I mean that he jailed or exiled their leaders, and did not allow them to be freely active. These groups came back to the political scene only in 1978, when the revolution gathered steam. From 1963-1978 they were not free to operate.In fact, except between 196063, the Shah did not allow any meaningful political group to be active ever since the 1953 coup.

But, the point that you miss and is most important, is that these groups were not around to educate the masses for so long, so that when the revolution came, they would turn to the clergy, THE ONLY GROUP THAT WAS ORGANIZED AND WELL NETWORKED. That is the context I am talking about.

When I say that the VF regime is the legitimate child of the Pahlavi regime I mean in terms of being a dictatorship, not its kind. But, what the Shahollahis do not understand is that both the VF and Pahlavi regimes represent fundamentalist regimes: The VF is Islamic fundamentalist, and the Pahlavis were secular fundamentalist (just like, for example, the Ata Turk type secularism to which Reza Shah was also attracted). And, a fundamentalist regime can never be a democracy, obviously.

The Poland example is not relevant. In Poland there were strong labor unions, which formed the backbone of the democratic movement. In Iran neither during the Shah nor even now we have strong labor unions. In fact, both regimes were and are anti-labor movement. The Shah was afraid of it because he was always imaging that communists would take over (whereas in reality they could never do that), and the IRI is anti-labor force and unions because it recognizes that if the labor force goes on strike at the national level, the regime will be toppled.

Mammad

In a land of blinds, a one-eyed man is a king!

In the current pool of available candidates for the leadership of the opposition against the IRR Reza Pahlavi is the most competent, prudent, and effective person.That's why Fariba Amini and her ilk fear Reza Pahlavi so much.

VPK

Lol about Kurdish.

well, all religions are pretty xenophobic! Even when they go on and on about the brotherhood of man, it means that if you don't join, well, you're out. ;)

I'm sorry, I've just tried to google the book for you in Persian, but my Persian is SO slow! Maybe this helps. ISBN - 2-901386-0106, published by Les Presses d'Aujourd'hui. 

Or if you google:

داریوش شایگان   یک انقلاب مذهبی چگونه است؟

There must be a Persian version somewhere or at least chapters of it translated? It really is a good book and that chapter does have Shariati in it, explaining how he got from Frankfurter Schule - even Khayyam! - to his mess, including an explanation of the "mythical/mystical"  aspects behind it all...

My conclusion: never let a sociologist/eso-terrorist tell you how to think. They mess things up and confuse the confused!

;)

"I still have my own teeth. 'Just can't remember where I've put them."

vpk

did you see this yet:

why should we care?

Peace

Responses

MM: You are right on the point as usualmy friend. It is a waste of time asking RP to apologize for his father. RP was not the one who did what people like Ms. Amini are angry over. Shah is gone and it is impossible to get an apology from him. We should focus on the future. That is where we are going. But we do need to past as our guide. I do agree with you that many avatars here want the best for Iran. I am glad we are holding the debate now and in a relatively peaceful way. 

Marjaneh: I have not read the book you mention. Is there a Persian version available? I do not know French: Persian & English and a bit of Kurdish :-) My problem with some Eastern or Iranian 60's thinkers is their narrow visions. People like Al Ahmad and Shariati were xenophobic and narrow minded. They did not understand the inherent limits of a religious approach. Mainly: what about people who do not believe in your religion? Plus the danger of claiming lawes come from god and are thus "divine". Not all Iranian thinkers were like it. Kasravi was a great example of a forward thinking intellectual. However the Islamists murdered him: the Islamist response to all questions. 

MM

beautifully put. am with you.

Peace

"Why Reza Pahlavi is feared?"

He is not feared, he is ridiculed.

Farah Jan

It is because both Islamists and liberal Americanized baffoins are
scared sh!tless of reza Pahlavi's influence over Iranians. Now I'm not
a shahi myself, but I'm a nationalist, and I believe Reza shah atleast
for now is the best thing out there for the Iranian nation and people,
AGAIN, Atleast for now. Reza Pahlavi has a pretty big support amongst
Iranians, I wouldn't say majority of iranians support him, but out of
the Iranian political groups, I would diff say that he has the most
support out of them all.