I read Iranin.com almost every day. Not a day goes by without me coming across something about Israel and evils of Zionism, written by someone who doesn't know the first thing about history, politics and relogion.
Have you people who write this crap ever thought about why Iranians hate Israel? I mean really. Has Israel ever fought a war with Iran. Iraq sure did but we are best friends with them now. Iraqi soldiers killed over 500,000 Iranian men, raped countless village living girls and women; but we are love them now.
But less continue hating Israel. Because they sold much needed arms to us during the Iran-Iraq war? Granted there must have been a benefit to them selling the stuff but they did and Iranian government bought the arms nevertheless. And the poor Iranian soldiers used them. Only if they knew the najes hands of the Jews touched the stuff.
I remember when I was 7 or 8 years old, during one of the many national mourning periods, statues of Omar or Yazid would be dragged in the streets and poeple would either piss on them or set them on fire. You wouldn't see this in Shemiran or Jordan but you could easily see this in "payeen shar" areas. Why would Iranians do this? Because Omar was Sunni. I remember I had many friends that just hated Sunnis like there was no tomorrow. Believe me I don't hate Sunnis but what has changed with us Iranians? The Sunnis still hate us Shiets. Many of them still call Persians savages. But we are buddies with them.
Formation of Israel was the best thing that could have happened to Iran. Why? Because it is the best source of distraction of the uneducated masses living in the middle East. If Israel wasn't there, all of the Arab hate and anger would have been directed towards Iran.
So whats Iran do? Its obvious. Fan the flame of hatred of Jews and Israel; sort of become the "kaase daghtar az aash". This is ALL the reason the Iranian government pretends to hate Israel. After all, all countries with uneducated masses always need an evil enemy to hate. Just look at the propagande in the U.S.
Problems of Iran are #1 caused by Iranians and #2 by U.S. Iran has oil, its close to Russia, it is right next to 60% of world's oil reserves and the waterway to ship the oil. U.S. will never leave Iran alone.
If we were smart, we would find ways of reducing U.S. and other influences. But we are not. So we continue shouting "death to Israel".
There. Thats my peace. Whats your opinion.
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Peace4all, again, it is not
by Farhad Kashani (not verified) on Sat Apr 12, 2008 03:18 PM CDTPeace4all, again, it is not me, but rather you who is using a narrow minded, cliché oriented method of character assassination. As I said before, unlike you guys, I do not have blind hatred or favoritism for any country. I believe some countries do much good than bad and vice versa, and I do “hate” some governments, for ex. The fascist regime in Tehran, but that’s not “blind” hatred. There is a big difference. If you are legitimately a conscious observer, you would’ve easily found out that I’m not pro-Israel in what it has been doing to Palestinians and other issues. So by you not even trying to realize that, you are automatically imprisoning and confining yourself in a bubble very much similar to what is created by the Islamic Marxist propaganda machines. That doesn’t mean you are an Islamist, I don’t think you are, cause Islamists don’t believe in “Peace4all”! But they have allied themselves (Not necessarily physically, but their hate for U.S, capitalism, human rights-as declared in universal declaration of human rights-values, have indirectly united them) with many leftist intellectual circles and media around the world to further their cause. For example, Guantanamo is wrong, no doubt it, but that’s one prison. How many “Guantanamo” do you think they are in Iran? Thousand! So why do you hear every single leftist newspaper around the world talking about a group of 300 Islamist prisoners on literally daily basis, but you would never hear them, ever, talk about the thousands of Guantanamo in Iran? Why, because clearly, they have an agenda! So those leftist cry for 300 Islamist in Guantanamo on 24/7 basis, but they totally and absolutely ignore the millions of people all around the world suffering in Guantanamos in Iran, Burma, N Korea, China, Russia,! So if you are really impartial, you will relay “news” fairly, not selectively…… Furthermore, I’m sure you’ll be shocked when you find out how many different news sources from all around the world I get my news from. Languages that you’ll find them very interesting that I speak. Maybe I can tell you what those are over that cup of coffee you talked about. Cause that sounds really good! And thank you for that offer. You will find me a very intriguing debater.
Not the place
by Peace4All (not verified) on Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:25 PM CDTMr Kashani,
As you would hopefully agree, these are complex issues that cannot be persuasively settled here in Iranian.com comments section.
Your opinions and views are not anything new.
You are attempting to push a certain pro-Israel point of view with typical Zionist tactics of questioning your opponents credibility and bombarding the readers with propaganda. Think about it. Why do you insist on calling other people's views propaganda? Why do you feel the need to induce into your own mind and into your readers' minds that other people's views are from "leftist" sources or that they are propaganda? Think about it!
It is easy to resort to labling your views as "rightist" or "fanatic jew" or ultraright". However, that would not serve any purpose here.
Plesae learn to refrain from streotypes. If you do, then you can start seeing the way to a healthier attitude and a more constructive debate.
My opinions have been formed through four decades of observing the Middle East conflict. I do not take anything lightly. I do not care what the media, "leftist" or "rightist," may say here in the U.S. or in Iran or in Israel. In fact, in case you are not aware, it will serve you well to know that there are more serious and more substantive debates on the Palestinian-Israeli issues going on inside Israel than what you see in the American media. Those debates include a lot harsher criticism of Isreal and its policies than what the typical American observer can digest. This, by itself, should give you a pause and a reason to ponder.
If it were at all possible, we could sit at a table and have a calm, objective discussion, over cups of rich Israeli, Arabic, or Turkish coffee (Starbucks if you prefer!), with the goal of agreeing on facts first before diving into the infested swamps of politics. But, this is life as it is. I wish you peace. I wish us all peace.
Regards,
Peace4All
Peace4all, I did not call
by Farhad Kashani (not verified) on Fri Apr 11, 2008 06:17 PM CDTPeace4all, I did not call “you” an Islamist or leftist (And its cleat that you do have leftist themes in your argument), I said from which one of those two sources do you get your information, i.e. propaganda? I do not engage in personal attacks. Read any of my posting and you’ll see. Also, how does Israel is “full of hatred” with its neighbors? Israel signed peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan eventhough they attacked it 3 times and Israeli citizens and businessman visit Egypt in numbers and Israel lets Egyptian and other Arabs in. Arabs have parliament members in Israeli government; their population will exceed the Jews in the upcoming years. So how is that “full hatred”? I don’t approve of what Israel did and does in the occupying land. Israel has committed war crimes, no argument there, and it should spy for it, but what I’m against is that some of leftist and Islamist groups and individuals turn the Israeli issue into clash of civilizations. You wrote” After setting fire to the Middle East by his illegal, failed war on Iraq, after causing the destruction of Iraq and the death of tens of thousands of innocent people”. The fire was set to the Middle East in 1979 by the establishment of the regime in Tehran. You seem the one to be the most unaware of history, realities, true intentions of government and groups in the Middle East. It is because of people like you that our citizens in Iran are suffering under the most brutal regime in modern history. You by justifying the actions of regimes such as the IRI have made it so difficult for the world to help our people’s movement towards liberation and democracy and human dignity. Furthermore, what part of the fact that Islamist fascist movement in Iraq, mostly supported by Iran, are killing each other and innocent civilians in record numbers on daily basis, is a conspiracy by the U.S? You’re telling me that I don’t know history, let’s compare, what do you know about Algeria in 90s and what the Islamist did there? What do you know about Egypt in 90s and what the Islamist did there? Let me tell you, the same thing that’s going on in Iraq. Some reading and culture and liberalism wouldn’t hurt, trust me! What do you know about what the Ekhvan Muslemeen government has done and is doing now in Sudan? What do you know about the worldwide Islamic movement that has raised to take over the world? That sounds funny to you, doesn’t it? Because you just can’t get it, can you? You are incapable of understanding what “reality” is, cause reality to you equals “conspiracy”, doesn’t it? And yes, Bush has been the first U.S president to call for Palestinian state and that is a turning point in the conflict. Open your brains and think, think for a second that we have something that is called short term results and long term results. What is going on now in the Middle East will have long term positive results, and I’m dying to see what you guys will say when those results start to appear. How did the U.S destroy the Palestinian democratic movement? Lets see, U.S gives billions of dollars every ear to the democratically elected Abbas, give sbillions in aid and training for Palestinian forces under Abbas who are and stated clearly will be fighting Israel. U.S has called many times , strongly, for Israel to halt building settlement, the U.S has called a billion times condemning Israeli actions against Palestinian people, are those all conspiracy? How is it U.S fault when extremist Jews in the Israeli government are blocking peace and solidarity with Palestinians, Syria and Lebanon? You guys live in the Matrix, did you know that? That’s why people move on, the world moves on, the world moves towards democracy, self liberation, free market, respect of human rights, and you have been stuck in your blind hatred and conspiracy theories for ever and you always will be stuck. You wrote” after seven years of total mismanagement and ruining of almost everything America stood for”. Wow! Excellent choice of words! I’m not pro Bush in any way shape, or form, I have no doubt that he is the worst president in U.S history, but tell me “genius”, you really are saying “almost everything”?? Wow? Ok, tell what America stood for and how did Bush ruin it? And since you said “Almost everything”, I wanna know them first and tell me how it got destroyed? I already know you gonna say Guantanamo and wiretapping and others, because its very obvious you parrot propaganda, but don’t worry, I will enlighten you about those too!
matter of time
by Bahram the Iranian on Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:51 AM CDTthis entity called Israel lacks legitimacy so badly.The shah gave them some and he paid for it heavily. Israel like old apparthiad regime in south africa or soviet union will be dissolved and the pepole of plastine will come together be it jews, muslims,christians,,, will choose their destiny.
Reza411
by Zion on Fri Apr 11, 2008 02:47 AM CDTYou make some very good points. I do agree with your main point of course that Iranians should set their priorities right and open their eyes to the tragedy that has engulfed them.
On the other hand, have you considered these 3 points?
That those who are obsessed with bashing Israel are not really doing it for the love of arabs, but for the hating the Jews and Israel for its very existence no matter where or under what condition?
That for Iran to be able to get over her inner and outer troubles she might take benefit of the help of those who are wiling to be her friends?
That all this obsession with Israel here has not as much to d with the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians, but with the inner conflicts within the Iranian culture and psyche. The outside presentation of the Iranian soul`s struggle with the same inner demons that brought this catastrophe upon you and the entire region in 1979. It might not be a complete diversion, but one of the main places where the battle is being fought. The battle whose winning will reintroduce values worth living by. Only that can reunite Iranians as a modern nation among free and prosperous nations of our world today.
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I`m sure you haven`t participated on a Jewish website. I suggest you do and express your opinion. You will see that Jews and Israelis do not mix you with the likes of your President.
Regarding Kamangir's comment about jews in Iran.
by Reza411 (not verified) on Fri Apr 11, 2008 02:03 AM CDTYou are wrong about Iran having the largest jewish community outside israel. The largest jewish community outside israel is in the US, infact there are more jews in the US than in israel. Also I believe you are wrong about the israelies distinguishing the Ahmadinejad types from the average Iranian. As far as most isrealies are concerned, they see us as the biggest threat to israel, much more dangerous then the arabs. If we keep it up this way, eventually the isrealies and arabs will make peace with each other and focus there energy on destroying Iran. I only hope when that happense somebody in the world will defend us the same way we defend everybody else.Hhmmm not likely.
Yes, but...
by Kamangir on Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:51 AM CDTI agree with some of the points made by the writer of this article. However; there're several aspects to eb taken into account.
Israel was created recently as country and most its population has come from around the world and therefore not being native of the Middle East, unlike other nations.
Israel as a country or nation does not have a very good reputation around the world, mainly because of its conflict with Palestinians and neighbour states.
Israel has been at war several times and last time, it used extreme force in Beirut and we all saw that.
Israel has very close relations with the US and the US approves whatever action Israel carries out, regardless of what the rest of the world thinks. These may be just some of the reasons Israel has a negative image around the world. However, I believe the people of Israel in their vast majority are very civilized and aware and interested in other cultures and people, unlike the rednecks and the WASP whose mind can barely digest useful information. Israel has the finest doctors and helth specialists around the world that actually do cure and help non-jewish people. Culturally we the Iranians have much more in common with the jewish than with the arabs. The largest Jewish community outside Israel is in Iran itself. The Jewish are very well informed about our culture and they 'do' know the difference between us and the arabs. They know the ahmadinejad type in Iran do not represent us.
Israel will have a hard time improving its image and so will Iran
Sepas
competition
by Bahram the Iranian on Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:48 AM CDTwhat about calling the realtion between Iran and Israel a competition. the game is a serious one and performing is tough.using word'hate' over and over wont help us here.
this kind of terminology is oftenly used by Israel, they say it comes from long history of jews being prosecuted.I 'd like to believe it so for one more time, in Iran we arent anti-jews or semitie , we dont hate you for being jews neither for being zionists as matter of fact we dont hate you at all. we oppose your position and policies in ME we are in competiton with you.why we do this?simply because we want a bigger pieceof pie in ME, come on you should excuse me for this!!!!wouldnt you?after all that is what yourselves are after.
Irandokht
by Abarmard on Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:42 AM CDTHere is the bad traslation of Shamloo's poem. Sorry if it's inaccurate, I am trying to remeber it correctly:
All the letters in the vocabulary we had and didn't say
couldn't say,
Freedom
we couldn't say it
you imagine it
I love two poems by Shamloo the most and this is one of them.
Thank you Abarmard
by IRANdokht on Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:28 AM CDTYou are very kind and absolutely right about Noam Chomsky.
To tell you the truth I didn't mind being bashed by the same person who slammed Chomsky, I consider it an honor and "validation" too! ;-)
Thank you for the previous comment too. That was a very enlightening interview.
I receive newsletters from the jewish voice for peace organization and I know that there are a lot of people in Israel who do not approve of the state's policies and are hoping for a peaceful resolution. The problem as someone already mentioned here, is that we tend to forget that "it's good for business" and there is money to be made at the cost of human blood and misery, no matter what nationality they'd have.
All in all, there is good and bad everywhere, but nobody likes to live in fear and misery. People want peace, it's the policy makers and the corporations that are in charge and unfortunately all they are concerned with, is the bottomline.
As for the subject of this blog: I don't think people should hate each other, they should look at the root cause of their problems and work together towards a better life. Unfortunately, they're mostly kept in the dark, that's where prejudice and hate grows best!
Re: Alabama.... uh.... No thanks :0)
Thanks again
IRANdokht
Good article but I ....
by Kurdish Warrior (not verified) on Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:22 AM CDTdon't believe that majority of Iranians hate Israel. They are either neutral or Pro-Israel. It's only handful of uneducated, ignorant individuals who hate Jews or Israel. The whole Israel Palestine issue is not or concern, but if I was forced to pick side, I would pick the country who doesn't steal our countries recourses, or even take side with our enemy, in this case Iraq, back in the days.
Let's save ourselves first, then we can save the world...
by Reza411 (not verified) on Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:04 AM CDTSame old broken record over and over is all we hear from you people. You should all be ashamed.
Thruth is Iranians worst enemies have always been and unfortunately I think will always be Iranians. If we spent half the time we do fighting other peoples battles and use it to help ourselves out, we would not be were we are today. Why do we hate each other so much?
Why does a country with such a rich history, such bright minds, so much natural resources, such a strategic location in the world and such a educated young population, everything that is needed to make a great nation is there but yet Iran is the way it is, because we don't love each other. I'm not blaming a particular group over another, basically they all have the same agenda and none of them are to the benefit of the majority of iranians, particularly the young generation. The old generation is to blame for this, by that I mean anybody between 45 to 85 still living, you all robbed the country by your greedy ways and your all responsible, no matter what side you took, you stole the youth of Irans future and your still going about your foolish greedy ways today, you are so quick to defend israelies or arabs thinking your humanitarians but try to find an arab who really cares for Iranians other then if it benefits him or go to a jewish forum and see what they are saying, will you ever find one person on there that will even question the fact that maybe not all iranians agree with the government and that most iranians believe in peace for both sides...NO, all you see is what they hear from the media and they would be willing to wipe iran off the map if it saves israeli lives, no questions asked...So would the arabs by the way, but they don't care about there people, they would kill all iranians for money, land, power and especially to protect there version of islam. So why the fuck are we defending them, why are we even having this argument, look at how many posts for this topic.
As Iranians we need to WAKE UP, realize our past mistakes, the older generation needs to forget about there old ways that did not and will never work, apologize to all the youth of Iran, by that anybody under 45 who got screwed because of all there greed, then we need to start banding together defend and promote Iranians every chance we get and it's about time we start cashing in our IOU's from are so called friends. As Bush would say, your either with us or against us, but for Iranians it really has meaning at this time.
Let's face it, the ones who have lost the most in this world is us and if we don't wake up NOW we will lose the little we have left forever.
Irandokht you are right
by Abarmard on Thu Apr 10, 2008 11:56 PM CDTDokhtar e Iran:
Naom Chomsky is a great thinker of our time. Those who disagree with him can't name a thinker that supports their ideology (Besides Cheney AKA Dick or Rush Limbaugh AKA KKK). I am very impress with you and your intellect. good for you :)
Howard Zinn and Chomsky along with the link of my previous comment are worth looking in to for those who like to know the truth. The rest, well are the rest. What you would see when you visit Alabama!
Zionism is indefensible
by Peace4All (not verified) on Thu Apr 10, 2008 10:33 PM CDTMr. Farhad Kashani,
Since you chose the typical Zionist method of labeling people who oppose your point of view as Communists or Islamists, I will tell you that you yourself are either a Zionist or a Communist. If you read my post with open eyes, you will see that nowhere in the entire piece I have said anything about Iranians hating Jews or Jews hating Iranians. Israel, as a jewish state, however, is full of hatred to its neighbors. This is no surprise given how Israel was established on the blood of Arab and Plaestinian children.
If you choose to be blind to seven decades of Israeli crimes, if you choose not to see the facts, if you cannot bring yourself to see that three generations of Palestinian children have lived and grown up in refugee camps, I invite you to examine and think beyond the headlines and beyond what the powers-to-be want us to believe.
And as for Bush being the first president calling for a Palestinian state, you are either joking, totally ignorant, or you assume Iranian.com readers are all members of the so called Judeo-Christian wing of the Republican party. After setting fire to the Middle East by his illegal, failed war on Iraq, after causing the destruction of Iraq and the death of tens of thousands of innocent people, after creating a situation in Iraq that even John McCain thinks we may be there for 100 years, after destroying the Palestinian national democratic movement, after seven years of total mismanagement and ruining of almost everything America stood for, he has now suddently remembered, in his last days in office, that there is a Palestinian-Israeli issue!! Wow. What a genius! I guess presidential historians need a happy ending to a disasterous chapter in U.S. history. It is really sad that people like you choose to fool themselves with this kind of bullshit.
Bush making peace in the Middle East is like AhmadiNejad bringing democracy to Iran. Hope is a noble human attribute, but shame is even a more noble one, of which Israel and its unconditional supporters have none.
Thanks
by Zion on Thu Apr 10, 2008 10:13 PM CDTDear Tahirih, Israel is honored to have your holy shrines in its land (though their being there was before Israel came to be and had nothing to do with it.)
Thanks for the wise words. Thanks for standing by the truth, despite all the vice innuendo and conspiracy theories.
Thanks to all others who stood up and expressed their support for what is right again. You are a credit to your land.
And those who feel `disgusted` for true Iranian support of Israel, it is good to see you writhing in anger. I hope you have a strong stomach because you`ll get much much more disgusted as time goes by.
Peace4all, you wrote”. The
by Farhad Kashani (not verified) on Thu Apr 10, 2008 09:47 PM CDTPeace4all, you wrote”. The real question is: Why Isreal hates everybody, Middle Easterners in particular, so much?” From which communist or Islamist source did you get this? Israelis love Iranians! They love Turks! And recently, they have a lot to start normal relations with Arab countries. See you guys always bash Iranians, the U.S and other for starting a “clash of civilizations” where in fact is you guys who are the true “clash mongerers”. You’re the one who cannot distinguish between people and governments. You wrote” Israel and the U.S. are inseparable when it comes to international issues. The U.S. has unconditionally supported Israel and will continue to do so blindly no matter what crimes Israelis commit” Lets see, Bush has been the first U.S president to call for Palestinian state, the U.S has pent billions of dollars assisting the democratically elected , moderate, Palestinian president who has clearly declared we will fight Israel to get our land back, and gives support in money and arms to sworn anti Israeili nations such as Saudi Arabia, the U.S has called numerously to stop building settlements in Palestinian lands,, and yet they have a “special relationship”, ha? What part of that “relationship” would the above mentioned fall under? How “special”? You wrote” Israel is the root cause of the current bloodshed in the region.” It is the regime in Iran who is playing that part for the last 30 years. Mark my word, the Israeil-Palestinian conflict would solve in a heart beat if Iran wouldn’t interfere. Lets not beat around the Bush, the reason that some (Very few, but very vocal) Iranians hate Israel and U.S and liberal Iranians, is that they have been brainwashed by the Islamic Marxist ideology that rejects modernism, democracy, free market and universal declaration of human rights. That’s it. I got news for them though, the Iranian people such as Faramarz, Zion, jamshid, myself and the vast majority of Iranians laugh at their twisted, biased and untrue logics and reasoning.
Faramarz jaan, great article
by Farhad Kashani (not verified) on Thu Apr 10, 2008 09:33 PM CDTFaramarz jaan, great article sir ! A true intellectual.
Who are these Iranians that worship Zionism?
by AnonymousShirazi (not verified) on Thu Apr 10, 2008 09:15 PM CDTIt's disturbing to see so many "Shabbas Goyim" on this supposedly Iranian website, who disseminate propaganda for an Israeli nation which considers all non-Jews to be "Dirty Goyim", a term used to describe the 99.8% of the world's population who are not from the Chosen People. We are all considered to be "Dirty Goyim" by the Israeli nation and its legions of "useless idiots" and apologists among the "Goyim".
OK I am going to tell my story!!!!!
by Tahirih on Thu Apr 10, 2008 08:18 PM CDTI was not sure if I should make a comment about this article or not ,because as a bahai we get called Isreal lover and supporter!!!and spies of zionists!!!!!
BUT, I can not withhold myself,so here it is: I am not defending or denying anything,just my first hand observation during my pilgrimage to our holly places in Isreal.I was there for 9 days ,and I have not heard a negative comment from any jews about Iranians. People there are warm and friendly, a little curious too.So anywhere you go they try talking to you. As soon as they would hear that we were Iranians they would start compimenting us as what a beautiful country Iran is.
Even about the government of Iran , they restrained and said" too bad they hate us".So I left there really confused as why this hatred is so one sided?
We met Iranian Isrealies by chance (working in our hotel)and they are totally Iranian following our culture, celebrating Nawruz,and sizdehbedar,cooking ghormehsabzi,speaking fluent farsi without ever seeing Iran!!!!!and above all loving it and wishing to see it someday.
You may say they were spys and they had alterior motive,but I call it dedication to their roots in Iran.
Tahirih
2 cents
by Zion on Thu Apr 10, 2008 08:10 PM CDTFirst thanks for tackling this issue.
I don`t think Iranians hate Israel. Even in this site, where a lot of islamic republic mouth pieces and that of their leftist allies spill out their disinformation and hate, there is basically only this gang who repeat the nonsense. Repetative names and styles.
Instead the question is why don`t Iranians realize how much they could love Israel. The reason is they don`t know much about Israel except through layer after layers of islamist and even worse, leftist, hateful propagand and lies.
Once Iran is free and direct contacts are made between the masses of Iran with Israel they will see the common threads and the goodness that lies within Israel and embrace it. My hope is especially with people inside Iran who have experienced the Islamic republic and can tell good and bad with perfecr precision as a result. The bunch of loud mouth leftists who feed of the freedom of the west liek parasites and spew rubbish mean very little in comparison.
Some of the reasons
by farhang (not verified) on Thu Apr 10, 2008 07:31 PM CDTBefore and after the revolution things did happen that changed the opinion of Iranians about the Israel in a negative way. For instance, many Iranians think that the Shah was overthrown by Mossad and CIA and the Mullah regime is actually the direct result of this meddling. The other issues might be the influence that the jews have on politic and media in USA. It is obvious that jews have a enormous control over American decision-maker in regard of their foreigner politic and policy. In the last 30 years Iranins were subject to threat and discrimination by Americans. Making insulting movies(the movie 300, and many others), faned the flame of hatred of Jews and Israel by knowing that all the media and filmmaking companies are owned by jews.
It's good for business, that's why!
by Mehdi on Thu Apr 10, 2008 07:30 PM CDTThere are individuals and companies that make huge profit from a war between Iran and Israel. They even make huge profit from just the possibility of it! After all, what better way to force people in Israel to reach deep into their pockets and give their hard earned money to the government, than the fear of annhilation? What better way to get masses of Iranians to support the government despite hating it than to make them believe that if they don't, their conditions will worsen significantly?
These boys use the same tactics even in the US. How else could they convince the American people to give their money and become weaker every day? How else manufacturers of F-16 and F-18 and fancy missiles, etc are going to sell their product if there was no war in the world?
I remember just a few years ago the US air force was having a very hard time convincing the congress that upgrading their F-18 to F-22 was necessary. Congress wouldn't easily budge! They saw no reason to upgrade when there was no real threat to an air force that had F-18's. But now? Congress gives money easier than it could be imagined just a few years ago. Do you have any idea how much money these military contracts bring in? You should check the numbers sometime.
There is no hatred between people of any country with any other country. From ancient times, certain people realized that if they pick up a few differences between two people, they could use that to get the two group fighting. And then these people could keep them under their control. These people would be the saviors, providing armies and help at a "cheap" price.
Faraamarz,
by Killjoy (not verified) on Thu Apr 10, 2008 07:01 PM CDTYour question is based on a totally wrong assumption that Iranians hate Israelis.
It is based wholly on what you read on this site(iranian.com) and as you may have noticed, this site does not represent Iranian people as a nation. Har kasee az zanneh khod shod yaaareh man!
The contributors who post hate articles with regards to Israelis and call all the Jews, Zionists are by no means any indication of the overall sentiments prevalent inside Iran.
Like citizens of other nations, most Iranians do not care about political issues the way they are understood by the more politically informed. Many of the more important issues dealt with on this site are either refered to casually or left undiscussed inside Iran. For example, while there is much talk about Palestinians and their problems on this site, Iranians are talking about inflation and lack of a coherent mangement of the economic affairs-adameh vojoodeh yek modiriyateh laayegh. "Adameh modiriyat" is an in word now. It's a politically safe metaphor for "we hate the regime." And anyone you talk to curses Ahmadinejad.
When talking to former IRI supporters, the talk is sure to get colorful where it concerns Ahmadinejad.
Many Iranians would love to leave Iran if they could. Do you remember the Cuban exodus in the '80s?
Een haa masaaelist keh beeshtar afraadeh boroon marz/faraarz baa aan sare khodeshoono garm meekonan! Too Iran mardom beekaar nistan keh be een cheeza ahmiyat bedan!
These-what you read on this site with regards to Zionism and Israel-are intectuallistic gibberish which have no real significance in the daily lives of most Iranians who are constantly struggling with the rising prices of commodities and have to deal with the many social pressures in their daily lives.
The best reaction to such posts is no reaction at all.
Finally you must have realized by now that most Iranians despise the IRI regime more than anything else.
A simple, straight comparison
by Jesus (not verified) on Thu Apr 10, 2008 06:53 PM CDTIRI (Khomenei's gang) killing Iranians: ~ 600,000 (including the Iraq war-post 1982)
Israel Killing Iranians: ~50-100 Iranian Guards in Lebanon (0 Iranian civilians)
IRI whipping, and torturing Iranians: Thousands!
Israel whipping, and torturing Iranians: 0!
IRI stealing Iranian wealth: billions of dollars (From Rafsanjani to Khomenei's grand children who drive Benz)
Israel stealing Iranian wealth: $0
Whatever happens to Palestanians has absolutely no impact on Iranians. Our lives will go on, and our country will remain a miserable place to live (so the reason why hypocrites on this website don't live in Iran, but in the West).
This is not a defense of Israel, to be honest, I can care less about the two sides.
So seems like, our problem is IR, and current government, and Islamic ideology that has kept the country backward! Why argue about Israel an dPalestine. When we get our sh*t together, than we can all be a "gooze-gonde" in our region, and the world, and preach everyone about a just, and fair society.
Fekre man
by ToofanZeGreat on Thu Apr 10, 2008 06:45 PM CDTI honestly believe that Iran should take a neutral position in the conflict, have full diplomatic ties with Israel and the Palestinians after they have figured out if Fatah or Hamas will rule. Follow the model Turkey is using for example. I think your stamping to many iranians wrongly. Iranians in average dont give a crap about Israel norarab countries, they think about work, love and life.
So the answer is to keep the insecure arab or israeli bashing to a minimum, talk with them both and mediate if they wish. That is the best way to help the Palestinians.
Faramarz Fateh: Are you disappointed yet?
by . (not verified) on Thu Apr 10, 2008 06:41 PM CDTWhen you wrote what you wrote praising the blood sucking creatures called zionists, you thought many readers on this forum will come to support you. The reason you thought so perhaps was that many (not all) readers on this forum are anti-iranian parasites. But you were unaware that many fine iranians also read and write on this forum. It seems that you are disappointed.
WHY?
by Mardavij (not verified) on Thu Apr 10, 2008 06:27 PM CDTIt's a cultural thing. Zionists think world is created for them. Iranians can't take that crap.
So, you weasel! It's not the jew under question; It's the zionists.
labelling..
by Bahram the Iranian on Thu Apr 10, 2008 06:21 PM CDTI saw the old trick beig played here, to say some body here is a agent of this and that would be naive and a statement out of desperation which is caused by not being able to answer in proper way.
one more thing , the realtionship between Iran-Iraq in Iran is being determined by the pepole who actualy fought that war starting from the head of state all way down whoever is involved in shaping economical, cultural and piligrimage exchanges has been a war veterians.No one can be more cataloic than pope,You cannt be more pissed on Iraq for the crime that sadam comitted against Iran and Iranians than a close friend of mine Dr G the director of one of the biggest public hospital in Tehran and in charge of bringing poor Iraqs to tehran through different charities and provide the necessary care that they are in dire need. The doctor was in faw island when chemical Ali dropped chemical on them, He is gravely ill and saddly wont live very long,
Misplaced...
by Setiz (not verified) on Thu Apr 10, 2008 06:14 PM CDTDislike of Israel maybe justifiable due to plight of Palestinians, but when it is over-used and misused by IRI and islamists, it is nothing but a charade, another deception and fraud perpetrated upon people of iran.
The atrocities of islamic republic on the iranian people, murders in prisons, executions, or made refugees and forced immigrants, in its 30 year history is not any less criminal than what Israel may have done to Palestinians. However, islamists use that cause to cover up for their own crimes against iranians and are ready to jump in in defense of Palestinians, but nowhere to be seen in defense of raped teenage victims of evin and similar endless daily crimes of the islamic republic.
Same goes for arabs of sudan who have killed some 200,000 blacks in a short span of time in darfur, yet both arabs and islamists are nowhere to be seen in defense of poor darfuris. In fact, islamic republic welcomed the criminal leader of sudan with red carpet not too far ago in tehran.
This is hypocrisy and deceit; used only as tools of propaganda by IRI for nothing but the survival of their own regime and ideology at the expense of the people of iran.
To: Anonymous21 (not verified)
by IRANdokht on Thu Apr 10, 2008 05:59 PM CDTWhere in my response did I ever say I hated jews or loved arabs?? I spoke of the reasons why there is negative sentiment about Israel. It was never personal, unlike your response to me which is not appreciated.
btw: was this post about Sudan???
IRANdokht
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