pictory: a tissue of lies ... Kayhan issue in the aftermath of the revolution (1979)

pictory: a tissue of lies ... Kayhan issue in the aftermath of the revolution (1979)
by Darius Kadivar
13-Oct-2010
 

"How the people of Iran were lied to 30 years ago" ... Kayhan issue in the aftermath of the revolution with some titles 30
years ago. It demonstrates how the people of Iran were lied to at the beginning of the revolution. (Source Potkin Azarmehrs blog)

Starting from top right hand corner, the titles are numbered 1 to 9.

1 - Water and Electricity will become free.

2- Imam Khomeini "In an Islamic state, there is no dictatorship"

3 - Marxists will be allowed freedom of expression

4- Islamic Republic differs from a religious state

5- Imam Khomeini "I will not become the top chief in the country"

6- Elimination of Bank Interests is Certain

7- Do Not Buy Houses, We Will Give Everyone a Home

8- The hapless leader of Iran's secular National Front, Karim Sanjabi "The essence of the Islamic Republic is democratic"

9- Imam Khomeini "The clerics must not become president"
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13th Legion

VPK

by 13th Legion on

Dear VPK,

Thank you for your kind comment,

I really can’t blame you for your opposition with Islam and the hate and “allergies” it has created in a large number of Iranians and noon Iranians after the 1979 revolution witch with no doubt in one way or another contributed to the growth of other so called Islamic fanatic fundamentalism in the region and what fuels’ this fire is that the majority of the population in these regions are still uneducated and poor and in order to find answers and come to peace with the challenges of their everyday life they tend to fall back on their first and strongest line of defense: “religion”, and it given the circumstances they naturally adopt the philosophy and thoughts they are fed to through their religious leaders!

I personally don’t have a problem with and do not oppose the true and pure “essence” of Islam or any other “true” and “pure” religion for that matter ( the problem is there is NO purity left in organized religion) for I have a different perspective on the subject that may not be common for all, for I believe that there was a common and pure truth imbedded in the philosophy of religions that was and is beneficial to mankind when they were each originated in their own time and specific culture and see all the original prophets as the teachers of mankind, I see there “original” teachings as a pure stream of clean water coming down from the mountain stream for the benefit of all, but as time went by man himself started polluting this pure stream of water with the ill intention of greed and personal gain and in order to take control over minds, power and resources and with the passage of time what we have left today is a bunch of “dead religions” that lack purity and truth and  are influenced and controlled by greed and politics for the most part.  Another baffling point about Islam and other religions is that when we look at other branches of human science such as medical, mechanical, engineering etc. we see a path of gradual and continues growth, change and advancement through out time but how is it that religious science has stayed so far behind and frozen in time still clinging on to ideas that may have been relevant to cultures and societies of hundreds and thousands of years ago? Many of the so called men of light and prophets including Imam Ali had quoted that religion must change and advance with time in order to be beneficial and useful to the people of its time! I think the main reason for that is that we have lacked the presence of “Religious Scientists” with the knowhow and ability to carry out this task in all branches of religion throughout time!

And as for the challenges of our own Persian culture, It is very evident that we are a very smart and able people and when given the opportunity we tend to grow and flourish but I believe what has held our culture back us is our universal perspective and manner of basic ethics that has plagued us and held us c hostage and deprived us from cultural growth and greatness for many centuries. Despite the fact that we have been gifted with some of the most brilliant poets, philosophers and scientist throughout our history as those British remarks have mentioned, we still suffer from some deep cultural and ethical handicaps and to start with perhaps we so badly need to witness a “cultural revolution” before we can see any other form of political progress that would come close to any form of democracy!

I look at India and I admire how far they have come!

This reminds me of an old quote that sounded like something in the lines of:

“People get the type of government they deserve”

 Like I mentioned, I don’t have all the answers, these are just some of the thoughts that come to mind!In hope of better and brighter days for us all.Cheers.X III

 


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

13th Legion

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

Just one point: I do not know Raoul very well nor do we always agree. I was making a point that he has a right to his posts. If you have been on IC for long you will find out there are those who do not respect the right to post. 

Regarding your other points I mostly agree. We are not united nor do we work together. Both Hakhamanshi and Sassanid falls were results of us not working together. These are fully the fault of us. I often wonder how did a nation like Sassanids fold like that. How the provinces refused to help the central government. Now the few times we did work together we did fine. In the was with Iraq Iranians *did* work together and kept the nation together.  Yes it is possible for us to do well; we just need unity.

So I basically agree with things you say. I also fully oppose Islam and do blame it for much but not all of our problems.

I think you are a good guy and have very good points.


13th Legion

VPK

by 13th Legion on

In regard to your buddy “Raoul”,

No mention of Raul not having the right to post on this site! Just commenting on his ignorant and arrogant point of view, it’s like you invite me to your house and I come in and eat your food and then tell you and your family: fuck you all…you all suck…fuck your country and your people to! Well if that’s ok with you, so be it! You can kiss his ass all you want, be my guest.

 

The point is that ALL of organized religion sucks now days, if one lies and kills and rapes so do the others, all the same, just a different name.  Why do you think they called “Organized Religion”? Why do they call large criminal groups “Organized Crime?

 Organized  1. Functioning within a formal structure, as in the coordination and direction of activities.2. Affiliated in an organization, especially a union.3. Efficient and methodical

 

So I hope that you truly think that one is better than another, they are all influenced by politics with the same common objective of controlling minds, power and resources and will go to any length to achieve it!Singling out one and bashing a majority and one group especially those that are innocent and have a true attentions of worshiping their creator is a bunch of cowards BS, if you man enough and brave enough go after the source and confront and ridicule them ALL., cuz if someone came to my house and insulted me and my family, country and people I would be man enough to give them a kick in the ass, spit in their face and through them out!   You are free to pat them in the back, say thank you and please come back you are welcome any time.

And as for your comment on Britain:  We all know about their reputation and I’m no fan of the brits, but go take a look at the map of the world, look at the size of that island and compare it to the size of the map of Iran then ask yourself how old are these two cultures and how far back to they go in history, Iran has been around for 3000 years and how long have the brits been around? I’m sorry to admit it but for an Island that size to rule over and colonize so many countries for so long they must have been very SMART & UNITED! Ok let’s forget about the brits its has become very fashionable now days for Iranians to blame all of their cultural and political short comings on Islam and the Arab invasion, what about before the Arabs came? Look at the old map of Greece and look at the old map of the Persian empire how is it that a young boy still in his youth (Alexander) along with only 30,000 on horseback with light armored invaded Persian Empire as if a walk in the park and great Persian king of kings ends up being murdered by his own guards men in hope of a reward, well if you ask me brother there is something wrong with that picture in a major and deep way that culturally runs much deeper and further back than Islam and the Arab Invasion. 

 

I would have to agree with “afshinaza” comment:  

As long as Iranian don't understand fundamental of freedom and democracy and do not tolerate each other then there is a little hope for future.   (I would ad: taking responsibility and willing to pay for the cost of progress without short cuts and the willingness to follow law, system and order and a deep commitment to ethical values)

 


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Re: TRUE IDENDITY OF IRANIAN

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

I see Dear British aka Angal don't like Iranians. They think we are all liars. How about they took a look at their own miserable selves! Who created more misery in the world than any other people: The British: Who institutionalized Racism: The British.

The whole list will go on more than I care to spend time on. It is ironic that the most despicable culture in the world does not like Iranians. Good! I take that as a compliment. The garbage that comes out of the British mind is a part of their natural racism and delusion of superiority. I love to see the horrid little Island overrun by Islamists! Serves them right.

If it were not for the wealth stolen from: Iran; India; Americas; and the rest of the world. The British would be nothing. 

VPK


MM

Free "this & that" misdirected 500 mi away w/ Hamas / Hezbollah

by MM on

Good reminder DK, but many of us did not believe them to begin with

David ET also compiled another series of Khomeini's 50 lies under the apple tree, with references http://iranian.com/main/blog/david-et-41

which were then nicely completed by Majid at a "before and after" comparison at http://iranian.com/main/blog/fred-114 with references, repeated below

All toped with Khomeini's fatwa that led to the massacre of his later years http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.iranpresswatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/IHRDC1.JPG&imgrefurl=http://www.iranpresswatch.org/post/4942&usg=__EYITAzlKOF8dSYh9lmaNVtqaqAM=&h=264&w=345&sz=12&hl=en&start=5&zoom=1&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=MOvhdIyOWCYENM:&tbnh=92&tbnw=120&prev=/images%3Fq%3DKhomeini%2527s%2Bfatwa%2Bleading%2Bto%2Bmassacre%2Bin%2B1988%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26rlz%3D1G1GGLQ_ENUS391%26tbs%3Disch:1

In the next Iranian government, this is exactly why we need to have a secular system with written constitution that guarantees  human rights and separation of religion and politics for people to vote on, NOT after 

 

وات دِ ف......؟

Majid


٤:٠١ - ٣:٤٢ ...........«امام اینجور نبود که تا بقدرت نرسیده دم از مردم بزنه، دم از خلق بزنه و وقتی بقدرت رسید....گور پدر مردم، دیگه به مردم اعتناء نکنه...........»

کلّهء پدر هر چی آدم دروغگو............

 

 

منظور از حکومت اسلامی این نیست که رهبران مذهبی خود حکومت را اداره کنند
(مصاحبه با خبرنگار رادیو تلویزیون فرانسه/23 شهریور1357/نجف)

علما خود حکومت نخواهند کرد. آنان ناظر و هادی مجریان امور می باشند (خبرگزاری
رویتر/4آبان1357/پاریس)

من هیچ سمت دولتی را نخواهم پذیرفت (گفت و گو با
خبرنگاران/12آبان1357/پاریس)

نه میل و رغبت من و نه سن من و نه موقعیت من اجازه نمی دهد که شخصاً نقشی در
حکومت جدید بعهده بگیرم (مصاحبه با خبرنگار خبرگزاری
آسوشیتدپرس/16آبان1357/پاریس)

من بنا ندارم که خودم یا اشخاصی که حالا در پیش من هستند از روحانیون، جانشین
رژیم بشوند (گفت و گو با خبرنگاران/دی1357/پاریس)

روحانی نباید به کاری غیر از روحانیت یعنی بسط توحید و تقوی و پخش و تعلیم
قوانین آسمانی و تهذیب اخلاق بپردازد (کشف الاسرار/ص208)

و اما پس از پیروزی انقلاب:

می گویند که روحانیت باید بروند سراغ کار خودشان و ملت را بگذارند و سیاست را
بگذارند برای ما. شما در این 50 سال هیچ غلطی نکردید. شما را من می شناسم. نمی
خواهم اسمتان را ببرم. سر جایتان بنشینید. آدم بشوید! (سخنرانی درجمع فارغ
التحصیلان دانشکده افسری/روزنامه جمهوری اسلامی/26آبان1359)

این را بدانید که تنها روحانیت میتواند در این مملکت کارها را از پیش ببرد. فکر
نکنید که بخواهید کنار بگذارید روحانیت را (دیدار با نمایندگان مجلس شورای
اسلامی/6خرداد1360/جماران)

(خمینی و دموکراسی) دولت اسلام یک دولت دموکراتیک به معنای واقعی است (گفت و گو
با خبرنگاران/18آبان1357/پاریس)

در جمهوری اسلامی مطبوعات در نشر همه حقایق و واقعیات آزادند (روزنامه ایتالیایی
پائزه سرا/11آبان1357)

در جمهوری اسلامی کمونیستها نیز در بیان عقاید خود آزادند (روزنامه هلندی دی
ولکرانت/16آبان1357/پاریس)

حکومت اسلامی یک حکومت مبتنی بر عدل و دموکراسی است (مصاحبه با خبرنگار روزنامه
تایمز/16آذر1357)

ما حکومتی را می خواهیم که برای اینکه یک دسته می گویند مرگ بر فلان کس، آنها را
نکشند (مصاحبه با خبرنگاران/12آبان1357)

و اما پس از پیروزی انقلاب:

به آنها که از دموکراسی حرف می زنند گوش ندهید. آنها با اسلام مخالفند. می
خواهند ملت را از مسیر خودش منحرف کنند. ما قلمهای مسموم آنهایی را که صحبت ملی و
دموکراتیک و اینها را می کنند می شکنیم (سخنرانی 22اسفند1357/قم)

آنهایی که فریاد می زنند دموکراسی باشد، اینها مسیرشان غلط است. ما اسلام می
خواهیم (در جمع دانشجویان دانشگاه اهواز/روزنامه کیهان/3خرداد1358)

من انقلابی نیستم. اگر ما انقلابی بودیم اجازه نمی دادیم اینها اظهار وجود کنند!
تمام احزاب را ممنوع اعلام می کردیم، تمام جبهه ها را ممنوع اعلام می کردیم و یک
حزب و آن حزب الله، حزب مستضعفان تشکیل می دادیم و من توبه می کنم از این اشتباهی
که کردم (کیهان/27مرداد1358)

این ملت برای اسلام جنگیده نه آزادی (مصاحبه با اوریانا فالاچی/2مهر1358/قم)

همه آشفتگی ها زیر سر همین هایی است که می گویید دموکرات هستند (مصاحبه با
اوریانا فالاچی /2مهر1358/قم)

(خمینی و ملی گرایی) یکی از بنیادهای اسلام آزادی است. بنیاد دیگر اسلام اصل
استقلال ملی است (مصاحبه با خبرنگار روزنامه لاکروا/10آبان1357/پاریس)

حکومت اسلامی، حکومت ملی است (صحیفه نور/جلدچهارم/ص58)

و اما پس از پیروزی انقلاب:

ملی گرایی مخالف اسلام است (سخنرانی در جمع طلاب و دانشجویان/5خرداد1359)

ملی گرایی برخلاف اسلام است. این برخلاف دستور خدا و برخلاف قرآن مجید است
(صحیفه نور/جلد دوازده/ص110)

ملی گرایی اساس بدبختی مسلمین است (سخنرانی در کنگره قدس/19مرداد1359)

آنهایی که می گویند ما می خواهیم ملیت را احیا کنیم، مقابل اسلام ایستاده اند
(پیام به مناسبت روز قدس/25مرداد1359)

(خمینی و اقتصاد) در جمهوری اسلامی مسأله ای بنام تورم برای مملکت نخواهد ماند
(مصاحبه با خبرنگار روزنامه آلمانی دنیای سوم/24آبان1357/پاریس)

ما بانک هایی که بی بهره باشد باید درست کنیم. ما بهره را جایز نمی دانیم
(مصاحبه با خبرنگار روزنامه لوس آنجلس تایمز/16آذر1357/پاریس)

دلخوش نباشید که مسکن فقط می سازیم، آب و برق را مجانی می کنیم، اتوبوس را مجانی
می کنیم، دلخوش به این مقدار نباشید. معنویات شما را و روحیات شما را ]هم[ عظمت می
دهیم... ما هم دنیا را آباد می کنیم و هم آخرت را (سخنرانی/12بهمن1357/بهشت
زهرا)

و اما پس از پیروزی انقلاب:

جوانها ریختند توی خیابانها، فریادشان این بود که اسلام می خواهیم. برای اسلام
است که انسان میتواند جان بدهد. اولیای ما هم برای اسلام جان دادند نه برای اقتصاد.
اقتصاد قابل این نیست! (سخنرانی در جمع کارکنان رادیو/17شهریور1358/قم)

آنهایی که دم از اقتصاد می زنند و زیربنای همه چیز را اقتصاد می دانند‌، از باب
اینکه انسان را نمی دانند یعنی چه. اینها انسان را حیوان می دانند. حیوان هم همه
چیزش فدای اقتصادش است. زیربنای همه چیزش! الاغ هم زیربنای همه چیزش اقتصادش است!
(سخنرانی در جمع کارکنان رادیو/17شهریور1358/قم)

(خمینی و کشاورزی) کشاورزی ما از میان رفته است. طبق آماری که بدست آمده ایران
93 درصد از مواد غذایی مصرفی خود را وارد می کند! (مصاحبه با خبرنگار روزنامه
لوموند/4اردیبهشت1357/نجف)

برنامه ما این است که کشاورزی کشور با تأمین شرایط زندگی دهقانان هم سطح سایر
مردم کشور به حدی برسد که کلیه نیازهای داخلی را تأمین کند (مصاحبه با خبرنگار مجله
المستقبل/15آبان1357/پاریس)

و اما پس از پیروزی انقلاب:

مغرض ها انداخته اند توی دهن های مردم که بگویند ما خون دادیم که مثلاً کشاورزی
ما چه بشود. آدم خودش را به کشتن نمی دهد که کشاورزی اش چه بشود! (سخنرانی در جمع
کارکنان رادیو/17شهریور1358/قم)

(خمینی و زنان) زنها را وارد ادارات کردید. ببینید در هر اداره ای که وارد شدند
آن اداره فلج شد (سخنرانی در مسجد اعظم قم/12آذر1341)

روحانیت ملاحظه می کند که در کنفرانس ها اجازه می دهند که گفته شود در راه تساوی
حقوق زن و مرد قدم هایی برداشته شده (سخنرانی در مسجد اعظم قم/12آذر1341)

(خمینی و بنی صدر!) آقای بنی صدر را همین مردم کوچه و بازار از پاریس آوردند
اینجا و رییس جمهور کردند. برای اینکه مردی مسلمان است، مؤمن است، خدمتگزار است
(درجمع استانداران کشور/18آذر1359/قم)

این آدم از اول ادعا می کرد که مسلمان است و برای اسلام کار می کند وکذا. من هم
از اول فهمیدم دروغ می گوید! (در جمع افسران و درجه داران ارتش/3شهریور1360
)

(خمینی و منتظری!) علاقه اینجانب به جنابعالی بر خود شما روشن تر از دیگران است،
به حسب قاعده طول آشنایی صمیمانه و معاشرت از نزدیک مقام ارجمند علمی و عملی شما،
مجاهدت با ستمگران و قلدران، قداست و وجاهت و وارستگی کم نظیر آنجناب... و احتیاج
مبرمی که جمهوری اسلامی و اسلام به مثل جنابعالی دارد انگیزه علاقه مبرم است (نامه
خمینی به آیت الله منتظری/12مهر1365)

از آنجا که ساده لوح هستید و سریعاً تحریک می شوید، سعی کنید در هیچ کار سیاسی
دخالت نکنید... والله قسم من از ابتدا هم با انتخاب شما مخالف بودم! (نامه خمینی به
آیت الله منتظری/6فروردین1368)

و کلام آخر:

ما می خواهیم اسلام را پیاده کنیم. پس ممکن است دیروز من یک حرفی زده باشم و
امرور حرف دیگری را و فردا حرف دیگری را. این معنا ندارد که من بگویم چون دیروز
حرفی زده ام باید روی همان حرف باقی بمانم (صحیفه نور/جلد هجدهم/ص178)

ما این طور نیست که هرجا یک کلمه ای گفتیم و دیدیم مصالح این جوری نیست،
بگوییم سر حرف خود هستیم. ما دنبال مصالح هستیم (صحیفه نور/جلد شانزدهم/ص211


afshinazad

TRUE IDENDITY OF IRANIAN

by afshinazad on

نوشته استیون کینزر   انگلستان در سال 1329 گروه تحقیقاتی را تشکیل می دهد تا علت و زمینه های بحران در ایران را پیدا کند.   از جمله پژوهش در مورد روانشناسی ایرانیان بوده، که یک دیپلمات انگلیسی بعد ازتحقیق اینگونه ایرانیان را توصیف می کند :    ·         “ ریا کاری بدون دستپاچگی، ·         اعتقاد به قضا و قدر، ·         اهمیت ندادن به زجر کشیدن …  ·         ایرانیان عادی تو خالی و بی اخلاق وهمیشه مشتاق قول دادن در قبال کارهایی اند که قادر به انجام دادنش نیستند ویا اصلاً قصد انجام دادنش را ندارند. ·         اهل طفره رفتن، ·         فاقد انرژی و استقامت، ·         اما تابع قدرت و انضباطند. ·         بالاتر از همه، از توطئه و تبانی لذت می برند ·         و هر زمان که منافعشان حکم کند، به آسانی از اعمال غیر اخلاقی تبعیت می کنند. ·         ایرانی دروغگویی ماهر است، ·         اما انتظار ندارد که گفته هایش را باور کنند.  ·         ایرانیها در زمینه های فنی به راحتی معلوماتی سطحی کسب می کنند و خود را متقاعد میسازد که به معلوماتی عمیق دست یافته اند.”


afshinazad

TRUE IDENDITY OF IRANIAN

by afshinazad on

نوشته استیون کینزر   انگلستان در سال 1329 گروه تحقیقاتی را تشکیل می دهد تا علت و زمینه های بحران در ایران را پیدا کند.   از جمله پژوهش در مورد روانشناسی ایرانیان بوده، که یک دیپلمات انگلیسی بعد ازتحقیق اینگونه ایرانیان را توصیف می کند :    ·         “ ریا کاری بدون دستپاچگی، ·         اعتقاد به قضا و قدر، ·         اهمیت ندادن به زجر کشیدن …  ·         ایرانیان عادی تو خالی و بی اخلاق وهمیشه مشتاق قول دادن در قبال کارهایی اند که قادر به انجام دادنش نیستند ویا اصلاً قصد انجام دادنش را ندارند. ·         اهل طفره رفتن، ·         فاقد انرژی و استقامت، ·         اما تابع قدرت و انضباطند. ·         بالاتر از همه، از توطئه و تبانی لذت می برند ·         و هر زمان که منافعشان حکم کند، به آسانی از اعمال غیر اخلاقی تبعیت می کنند. ·         ایرانی دروغگویی ماهر است، ·         اما انتظار ندارد که گفته هایش را باور کنند.  ·         ایرانیها در زمینه های فنی به راحتی معلوماتی سطحی کسب می کنند و خود را متقاعد میسازد که به معلوماتی عمیق دست یافته اند.”


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

13th Legion

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

Raoul has  all the rights he needs to post here. I have heard these 90% numbers and don't care. If 90% think world is flat it don't make it so. Iranians have been spoon fed Islamic crap for 1400 years. Of course some have accepted the BS. Now the world is open and lies exposed. Hopefully more like me break out of the Islamist shell.

I thank Raoul for posting his views. Don't always agree but will defend his right. You can take your intolerance to BBC where it is accepted.

We all know that lying aka "Taggiyeh" is a part of Islam. Muslims are encouraged to lie. Why: because without lies few people are attracted to Islam. It is known as "bait and switch". You lie to get them to become Muslim. Then make them stay with the penalty of death. Cute? 


afshinazad

Thanks DK to remind us how stupid we were.

by afshinazad on

The fact was clear from day one and some of us never been surprised and for those who they sold their sole to khominies BS and some still loyal to all those islamic BS because they are making money and they don't give a boogy what kind of monster is running the country. as long as Iranian don't understand fundamental of freedom and democracy and do not tollerate eachother then there is a little hope for future.  


Sargord Pirouz

Hardly, COP. There was a

by Sargord Pirouz on

Hardly, COP. There was a fair amount of family intrigue involved, as well as the greater social intrigue encompassing the revolution. One of my uncles was a mid-level official in a governmental ministry (pre-revolution as well as post-revolution, believe it or not). But the end result was what I stated, confirming headline 7 (in our case, anyway).

Yeah, when you consider what preceded it, these headlines aren't so outrageous, excepting the two I pointed out which I've provided explanations for. 


Rea

Except for the clerical part

by Rea on

Might as well be Правда headlines, Brezhnev' era.

PS. thx DK for translation.


Cost-of-Progress

Mark, the squatter?

by Cost-of-Progress on

Your family debt on their home was forgiven? You don't say!

Sounds more like your family were squatters, and/or close ties to the murdering clergy.

Explains a lot about your stance here....

What's your storty man?

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IRAN FIRST

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mahmoudg

True lies

by mahmoudg on

If we can only convince Schwarzenegger to go clean up Iran.  Lies, lies and more lies, all directly out of the Quran.  Now let us still hope that Islam can save our beloved Persia.


Sargord Pirouz

Well, in degrees, most of

by Sargord Pirouz on

Well, in degrees, most of these claims weren't far off the mark, especially when compared to that which preceded it.

The two that stand out are 1) the marxists, which went on to wage a terror campaign and 2) clerics did become president, although that's currently not the case.

BTW: My family's debts incurred upon our home in northern Tehran were wiped clean as a result of the revolution, vindicating headline 7.


13th Legion

Raoul1955

by 13th Legion on

Amigo,

You have some nerve posting your hateful comments on cultural site were 90% of its national population is made up of Muslims!

You sound like one of those Christian freaks that have been brain washed, instructed to take every opportunity to take a cowards jab at Islam and Muslims every chance they get, deceitful opportunist you are! I would advise you wash the refried beans of hate out of your ignorant brain and off your eyes and wake up!! With such comments of insult and hate you seem to be among the many ignorant that have not yet learned the difference between true spirituality/ethics and the many political versions of “political religion”, I truly feel sorry for your likes! The politically influenced crap that comes out of the mouth of some so called Christian preachers is no different than the crap that comes out of the mouth of the fanatic mullahs and there like.

How ignorant can you be? Have you studied history, do you think that aside from Islam, Christianity and Judaism have been the so pure religions of truth and justice? ;) have you forgotten that the so called the so called Christians pored hot lead down the thought of your ancestors in order to convert them into Christians? Have you forgotten that not so long ago in history scientists that contributed so much to humanity were being burned on the cross for deifying the church and its political power and influence over keeping the masses ignorant and obedient sheep with closed minds? Have you not read that first schools for modern medical science and medicine were originated and developed in Muslim countries while the so called Christians were still using leaches, mid evil practices such as burning and mutilating patients to draw out the evil spirits that they believed had possessed them and caused illness and that christen scientists had the to literally sneak into Muslim countries with deceive in order to learn the science of modern medicine and bring it back to Europe? Have you not read about all the wars and bloodshed of innocent people that brought about and established Judaism in history?

Why go so far, let’s look at our own American history and our Christian founding fathers, take a look back at the history of how California and some other states bordering Mexico came to be, it’s all evident in the still Hispanic names: “Los Angeles”, Mission Viejo, Santa Clarita, San Diego, Santa Maria, San Antonio and the list goes on amigo…this was all land taken over by Christians through hostile take over from other Christians and yet your brother Christians are still referred to as “illegal aliens” by other Christians and when you want to fill out any job application today at the end you have to verify your race by checking a box  “white, not Hispanic”, and yes your are living in a country that for the most part has and is ruled by Christian values, don’t you just love it ;))

Dude, I suggest you wake up and smell the coffee, open up your eyes and educate yourself, there is a big difference between those who worship and believing true spirituality and political and fanatic versions of religion, it’s not wise to generalize, don’t inherent other peoples believes that promote hate, investigate and find the truth on your own!

If you don’t like reading the least you can do is watch the history channel and then more!

By the way…I think your avatar compliments your line of thought ;))


13th Legion

Thanks for another good post and great reminder DK….and so I kee

by 13th Legion on

And it’s so interesting and sad to see how they have managed to stay in power for so long and after so many lies and empty promises! And what have we learned from history?

 

میگویند اسکندر قبل از حمله به ایران درمانده و مستأصل بود. از خود میپرسید که چگونه باید بر مردمی که از مردم من بیشتر میفهمند حکومت کنم؟

یکی از مشاوران میگوید: «کتابهایشان را بسوزان. بزرگان و خردمندانشان را بکش و دستور بده به زنان و کودکانشان تجاوز کنند». اما ظاهراً یکی دیگر از مشاوران (به قول برخی، ارسطو) پاسخ میدهد: «نیازی به چنین کاری نیست. از میان مردم آن سرزمین، آنها را که نمیفهمند و کم سوادند، به کارهای بزرگ بگمار. آنها که میفهمند و باسوادند، به کارهای کوچک و پست بگمار. بی سوادها و نفهم ها همیشه شکرگزار تو خواهند بود و هیچگاه توانایی طغیان نخواهند داشت. فهمیده ها و با سوادها هم یا به سرزمینهای دیگر کوچ میکنند یا خسته و سرخورده، عمر خود را تا لحظه مرگ، در گوشه ای از آن سرزمین در انزوا سپری خواهند کرد. 

I love our land, people and culture, I am no were close to having all the answers, I don’t tend to believe everything that I read or hear but I can’t help to wonder in awe and think about some of the things that I read,  finding out the truth about some topics, ideas and opinions can be so challenging, complex and baffling at times and at the same time accepting the truth may be so bitter that we simply chose to look the other way….and so I keep on wondering!

   نوشته استیون کینزر   انگلستان در سال 1329 گروه تحقیقاتی را تشکیل می دهد تا علت و زمینه های بحران در ایران را پیدا کند.   از جمله پژوهش در مورد روانشناسی ایرانیان بوده، که یک دیپلمات انگلیسی بعد ازتحقیق اینگونه ایرانیان را توصیف می کند :    ·         “ ریا کاری بدون دستپاچگی، ·         اعتقاد به قضا و قدر، ·         اهمیت ندادن به زجر کشیدن …  ·         ایرانیان عادی تو خالی و بی اخلاق وهمیشه مشتاق قول دادن در قبال کارهایی اند که قادر به انجام دادنش نیستند ویا اصلاً قصد انجام دادنش را ندارند. ·         اهل طفره رفتن، ·         فاقد انرژی و استقامت، ·         اما تابع قدرت و انضباطند. ·         بالاتر از همه، از توطئه و تبانی لذت می برند ·         و هر زمان که منافعشان حکم کند، به آسانی از اعمال غیر اخلاقی تبعیت می کنند. ·         ایرانی دروغگویی ماهر است، ·         اما انتظار ندارد که گفته هایش را باور کنند.  ·         ایرانیها در زمینه های فنی به راحتی معلوماتی سطحی کسب می کنند و خود را متقاعد میسازد که به معلوماتی عمیق دست یافته اند.”


Raoul1955

Darius Kadivar

by Raoul1955 on

Thank you for the translation.
My understanding is that Islam encourages lying as Muhammad himself considered deception a 'weapon' against the infidels.

This should also serve as a wakeup call to those who support Islamic folks in America.
Cheers