فالگیری در یکی از روستاهای دور دست ایران سندی بجا میگذارد که ماههای ایرانی را به نامهای نامتدول میخواند. در این سند فهرست این نامها بدون رعایت ترتیب نوشته شده ولی استاد مهدخت نکته بین، متخصص این جور کارها، در عرض چند دقیقه گمان زد که کدام نام مرادف فروردین، کدام مرادف اردیبهشت...و غیره است. این فهرستی بود که بدست استاد نکته بین رسید:
خوشمزه،
پشیمان،
تاج،
پیچیده،
بُز،
چشم،
شمشیر،
کمان،
پشتیبان
بچه،
چوپان،
پیشتاز،
۱. به نظر شما فهرست تصحیح شده استاد نکته بین به چه ترتیب است؟
۲. آیا گمانی از خود دارید که ترتیب دیگری را پیشنهاد دهد؟
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Thank you Ari
by Souri on Thu May 12, 2011 03:49 PM PDTYou are a genius!
I liked your clever system! Sad afarin to you and of course to Mehrban! Very smart !
Puzzle solution
by Ari Siletz on Thu May 12, 2011 04:05 PM PDTThe number of alphabet dots in the Perisan alphabet spelling of the word is the number of the month. Kaman has one dot on the "n," and no other dots so it is Farvardin. Boz has two dots on the "b" and "z," and no other dots so it is Ordibehesht etc...
As mentioned before this is just the simplest explanation for the sequence. Other solutions may exist and part of the fun may be looking for them. For example All-Iranians attempted a pictographic approach with shamshir as Sagitarius. In that system Boz could be Aries or Capricorn.Chashm could be Cancer in the picture above (two eyes). Taaj= Taurus (something on top of the head). Leo in the picture above looks quite Pashiman to me.
Another system proposed was literal meaning, putting Pishtaaz as Farvardin and justifying the others from there. Another approach was Souri's which looked into the characteristics of people born under the zodiac signs. All creative ways to go about proposing an organizing principle that characterizes the list.
I would be interested to hear from our Four Wheel Award winner as to what theory she was going by in her first list. Vildemose with Tir= Bacheh.Anahid has already made some explanations for her system.
Finally, a bottle of wine prize to whoever comes up with the best 12 word Persian sentence with one dot in the first word, two in the second word...The sentence would be judged on gramatical correctness, level of sense it makes, and of course "beauty."
Ok, Mehraban aziz. That is
by vildemose on Thu May 12, 2011 02:16 PM PDTOk, Mehraban aziz. That is how I got several of mine right last night but I was not certain. Thanks. Again, Congrats for the job well-done.
Vildemose jaan :)
by Mehrban on Thu May 12, 2011 01:57 PM PDTI am going to leave the unveiling to the Architect of the puzzle, Ari.
But if you re-read his last sentence to you about month of Tiir, the answer is there.
Well done Mehraban. I came
by vildemose on Thu May 12, 2011 10:43 AM PDTWell done Mehraban. I came up with some of it last night too but not all. But I still don't understand the process you used to accuately unravel the puzzle? can you explain?
Can someone explain it to me?
by Souri on Thu May 12, 2011 05:32 AM PDTI didn't get the puzzle at all :-(
Great job Mehrban.
by Anahid Hojjati on Thu May 12, 2011 03:55 AM PDTAnd thanks Ari for the blog.
Four Wheel Award, Mehrban!
by Ari Siletz on Wed May 11, 2011 09:17 PM PDTFor genius grade willingness to drive off travelled roads. 12/12 points!
;-)
by Mehrban on Wed May 11, 2011 08:26 PM PDTkamaan: Farvardin
boz: Ordibehesht
taj: Khordaad
bacheh: Tiir
Khosh mazeh: Mordaad
cheshm: Shahrivar
چوپان: Mehr
shamshir: Abaan
pashiman: Azar
Pichideh: Day
Pishtaz: Bahman
poshtiban: Esfand
Vildemose, bacheh is Tir
by Ari Siletz on Wed May 11, 2011 07:07 PM PDTTir being the fourth month has that number in common with a property of the word "bacheh" spelled in the Persian alphablet.
Does Sharivar correspond
by vildemose on Wed May 11, 2011 06:58 PM PDTDoes Shahrivar correspond to Bacheh???
Anahid the extra "T"
by Ari Siletz on Wed May 11, 2011 06:13 PM PDTDoes your system line up choopan with Mehr? Mehrban's answer is "correct" on that account. The extra "T" in moteradef makes it two months older. Moradef was born in Farvardin. Moteradef was born in Khordad.
خوشمزه، = Khordaad
Anahid HojjatiWed May 11, 2011 03:50 PM PDT
پشیمان Tiir
تاج، = Mordad
پیچیده،= shahrivar
and so on
Hint is in your last comment when you wrote:"The hint that the word was born two months later than moradef can help you crack the month code. "
All-Iranians
by Ari Siletz on Wed May 11, 2011 01:26 PM PDTAgree with you: moteradef is the more common usage. However by itself it contains no hints as to the puzzle solution. The hint that the word was born two months later than moradef can help you crack the month code.
Dear Ari
by All-Iranians on Wed May 11, 2011 01:07 PM PDTthank you for your explanations. One should note that Dehkhoda refers to Moradef very shortly and describes Motoradef much more strongly. Wikipedia does not have any page on Moradef but gives you a good article on Motoradef. All in all it seems that Motoradef is a more popular term.
And what about this one:
Sagittarius (Azar) looks like Sword = Shamshir
thanks Ari for the hint
by Anahid Hojjati on Wed May 11, 2011 11:08 AM PDTBig help to know that I should stay with Farsi for figuring this one out.
Mehrban 1 point so far, choopan = Mehr
by Ari Siletz on Wed May 11, 2011 10:59 AM PDTThere are, of course no wrong answers. Your one point goes only for correspondance with Ostad Noktehbin's list. This list distinguishes iteself only in that the word order has the simplest self contained explanantion. Why did you pick Choopan for Mehr? Also Curious about Khordad for pashiman.
Souri, poetic one about Gemni and Poshtibaan. Were you thinking siblibgs, married people...?
Anahid, better to stay with Farsi. A hint.
A big hint can be credited to the point all-Iranians' noticed: Moradef and moteradef mean the same thing according to Dehkhoda. The difference is that Moteradef was born two months after moradef,
- کلمات مرادف یا مترادف ؛ کلماتی که در معنی و مفهوم یکی باشند یا مفهوم آنها بسیار به هم نزدیک باشد مانند کلک و قلم و خامه
Wow, IC friends are so good in this
by Anahid Hojjati on Wed May 11, 2011 08:11 AM PDTSince Ari put the symbols up regarding Aries,,etc, I thought Farvardin is
چوپان
since sign for Farvardin is ram. So there are couple ways of looking at this. One way is to go with Farsi names like
کمان Tiir
and another way is to get the MOTORADEF using the signs for each month. Maybe that is why Ari asks at the bottom:
آیا گمانی از خود دارید که ترتیب دیگری را پیشنهاد دهد؟
This is what i think, so far :)
by Souri on Wed May 11, 2011 07:51 AM PDTخوشمزه،
پشیمان،= Taurus
تاج،= Libra
پیچیده= Capricorn (and this is soooo true :))،
بُز،= Aries
چشم،= Cancer
شمشیر= pisces،
کمان،= Sagittarius
پشتیبان = Gemini
بچه،= Leo
چوپان،
پیشتاز،= Scorpio
شمشیر
All-IraniansWed May 11, 2011 07:29 AM PDT
Sagittarius looks like Sword (Shamshir)
"Sagittarius is totally unaware of the effect when his direct honesty compels him to speak. ..... and go charging through the streets, waving a sword and defending causes". Source //www.cyberspacei.com/englishwiz/library/names/zodiac/sagittarius.htm
PS: Dear Ari
Please note that MORADEF is wrong; MOTORADEF is correct.
My interpretation :)
by Mehrban on Wed May 11, 2011 07:25 AM PDTپیشتاز Farvardin
خوشمزه، Ordibehesht
پشیمان Khordaad
کمان Tiir
شمشیر Mordaad
تاج Shahrivar
چوپان Mehr
بُز Abaan
بچه Azar (Kid :)
پشتیبان Day
پیچیده Bahman
چشم Esfand
***
by Mehrban on Wed May 11, 2011 07:14 AM PDTFarvardiin ... Pishtaaz
Mehrban, Finglish it
by Anahid Hojjati on Wed May 11, 2011 06:52 AM PDTI cannot see Farsi fonts now. Thanks.
Anahid
by Mehrban on Wed May 11, 2011 06:39 AM PDTپیشتاز farvardin
آری , آیا چوپان مرادف فروردین است ؟
Anahid HojjatiWed May 11, 2011 06:33 AM PDT
If you give me this pointer, then I can proceed.