Iranian Terror Plot in Washington, U.S. Claims

Iran rejects any involvement

BBC: US Attorney General Eric Holder says the alleged conspiracy was "conceived, sponsored and directed from Iran" The US says it has broken up a major terror plot in which agents linked to Iran sought to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to Washington. Two men originally from Iran - one a naturalised US citizen - have been charged with counts of conspiracy, Attorney General Eric Holder said. Mr Holder described the $1.5m assassination plot as being "conceived, sponsored and directed by Iran", and said Tehran would be held accountable for its alleged involvement. Iran's official Islamic Republic News Agency called the charges a "propaganda campaign" by the US government against Tehran >>>



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Siavash300

There are 2 sides of stories

by Siavash300 on

One side of story deny the fact that such a plot exist and it is just U.S propaganda or rather U.S has alternative motive. Either they want to bribe the Islamic criminal gang in Iran or they have other agenda. The other side of story is the line of terror which Iranians are familiar with it for over 3 decades. it goes with the same line as Bakhatiar, Sharafkandi, Farokhzad or other 93 oppositions who were killed one by one in Turkey during 80's by mullahs secret police.

   Those who are on payroll by mullahs go with the first scenario. Most likely they don't want to lose they monthly paychecks and they are happy with current situation in Iran, so they brush off the whole story as compeletely false and U.S accusation of innocent Islamic regime!! 

On the other hand, those who are against mullahs. They will go with 2nd scenario and they want regime change in Iran no matter of what. Either this story is false or real, there is a hope for them mullahs are getting overthrown.  

The better approach is to wait and to see what will be develope from this story.

VPK is right, stereotyping or generalization of Iranians or American women is wrong.

I am just curious to know why Faramarz is so exicited about this story.

Siavash


Oon Yaroo

Faramarz, is it "Arbabsiar" or "Abbasyah"...?

by Oon Yaroo on

WOlf Blitzer of CNN was having a hard time properly pronouncing the name of the alleged Iranian assassin plotter! He kept saying Abbasyah which has a negative conotation in the Iranian culture as a person of low integrity!

Your analysis was right on the point! There are Abbasyahs, Mamadsyahs, and Asgharsyahs in all major cities across USA who mingle well with the American society and yet have strong ties to the IRR.

In fact, I bet you some of the NIACies on this site are of Abbasyah kind! 

 

 


alimostofi

Delavar: Write like

by alimostofi on

Delavar: Write like this.

You wrote this sentence ... The IRR is definitely behind most terrorist attacks in the world today ... Replace IRR with The Hezbollah Party in Iran is definitely .... and then mention their relationship to The Hezbollah Party in Lebanon.

Ali Mostofi

//www.alimostofi.com

 


Rea

Well worth reading

by Rea on


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Why did Ali Mostofi's post get flagged?

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

There is nothing offensive in it. Not one indecent word or attack on people. Ali Mostofi is a fine person and I request the flag be removed. 

With respect to the admin: VPK


Delavar1

So far the Islamic Republic

by Delavar1 on

So far the Islamic Republic (IRR) has denied responsibilty for every terror attack and murder ever since their existance since 1979.They said that their terrorist gov. was not behind Killing Bakhtiar, Kurdish leaders , Forouhars, and even Mr. tabatabai in Washington. The IRR is definitely behind most terrorist attacks in the world today. IRR has also cathegorically denied accusations regarding bombings of the Israeli Embassy and the Jewish buliding in Argentina killing over 100 innocent lives.They even hire their Arab merceneries to do the dirty job for them. One thing they have not denied is Stoning/ Executing /Hanging innocent Iranians but they deny accusations of rape in Evin prison.

 They have created and suppror terrorist groups such as Hezbollah, hamas, Islamic Jihad, etc. They are running terrorist bases in Africa. They even supprort the Taliban in their terrorist acts in Afghanistan. They have caused many casualties in Iraq by supplying the terrorists with IED, etc. A Member of Hezbollah whocurrently lives in Lebonon has been convicted of terroris acts against Americans.

There is no doubt in my mind that the IRR is responsible for this.


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Honestly don't know

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

I have been thinking about this all day long; reading views and so on. First of all folks rest assured I did not want this attempt to succeed. Not on Saudi or anyone since I oppose the death penalty. 

But there are valid questions on whether IRI did this. No sane person would attempt this even as "revenge" and not on USA soil. While GR gives a possible reason there are very good reasons not to. Yes Saudi is a pain for the "Hizbollah Regime". But the repercussions are too great. Specially if done in the USA. Imagine Cuba vs Granada. Obviously Cuba was a much bigger pain for USA but Reagan chose Granada. Because it was a lot simpler to win; no repercussion. This is the very opposite act.

But I am seriously doubting the sanity of Khamenei. The man is getting old; and may be losing it. When people get senile; and cranky they do stupid things. The killings of Bakhtiyar and Farrokhzad were done at a different time. Khamenei was 20 years younger and maybe in much better mental state. Not to mention all the infighting. For now best I may do is to keep an open mind. Not that it makes any difference since none of our opinions make any difference in anyway.


Iran 2050

alimostofi, not sure what

by Iran 2050 on

alimostofi,

not sure what you're asking me by why I use IRI? thats what the regime is called, the Islamic Republic of Iran, of course, if you ask me and I think it's been very obvious that this regime is NOT Islamic by any means NOR it is a republic by any means!

It's a Fascist, terrorism sponsoring, fundamentalism spreading barbaric bunch of thugs!


alimostofi

GR: using the letters IR

by alimostofi on

GR: using the letters IR does not mean anything. You need to be more accurate and articulate. Use ...The Hezbollah Party of Iran... and yes it is long and hard to type, but it make a huge difference.

Ali Mostofi

//www.alimostofi.com

 


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

2050

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

Please keep your baselsess accusations to yourself. Oh "I don't want a better Iran". Who are you to know what I want. Are you the "decider" of who wants a better Iran or not. Got news it is not up to you! 

If there ever is a democrtic Iran it still will not be up to you. If you really are Iranian you will get ONE vote! If not you will get NO votes. I will get ONE vote. Then people will decide based on majority what is "good" for Iran. Thank you had enough of dictators.


G. Rahmanian

Faramaz Jaan:

by G. Rahmanian on

Thank you. As smart as these individuals may think they are, some have really become so delusional that see the world only in the simplest terms and see themselves at the center of that world. And when it comes to IR nothing seems to stick for them. Although they hate what the US government does, for some, even paying US taxes has been reduced to a justifiable strategem to stay and enjoy the great American life.


Faramarz

Rea, The Wrist Catcher!

by Faramarz on

That’s an Iranian expression Rea.

Why do you expect everyone to be as smart or level-headed as you are? I tried to put together the profile of a type of person that has had a different life experience and sees things somewhat differently.

When in response to the comments by the informant that 100-150 people may die, the guy says, “Fuck’em”, how do we explain that?

The easiest way out is to say that these are lies and move on. But I tend to believe that if the Attorney General did not have a solid case with evidence, he would not have stood in front of the world and made those claims.


Anahid Hojjati

Mr Ali Mostofi

by Anahid Hojjati on

You have no right spamming the threads tellng people what to call and not use IRI and what to use. Some of you guys don't get it. Even if you are not in Iran, you think you are the king or VF.


Faramarz

Great Points Uncle G.

by Faramarz on

This whole argument that we are seeing today that the plot was too simple and stupid so it could not have been the work of the Regime is amusing.

If the plot fails, then it couldn’t be the Regime because they are smarter than that. If the plot succeeds, then it can’t be them either because there is no evidence and they do not have those capabilities. So exactly what kind of a plot are the Regime operatives capable of?


But at the end of the day, I think it is going to come down to a simple question for many of us, do we trust Obama/Hilary more or Rahbar/Sepah/Basij?


AMIR1973

Fingers pointed or not, IRI got away with prior terrorist acts

by AMIR1973 on

They have assassinated numerous political opponents both inside and outside Iran; they have been involved in the bombing of the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut (killing 241 U.S. service members) as well as U.S. and Israeli embassy bombings in Kuwait, Lebanon, and Argentina, and also the Jewish community center in Buenos Aires. They have been involved in blowing up the Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia (killing 19 U.S. personnel). They have supported terrorists who have killed, kidnapped, and hijacked both Iranian and Western "enemies". They are still harboring the murderer of Tabatabaee, who was killed close to Washington D.C. Why would the Islamist terrorist regime NOT think they could "get away" with this too? (And let's not forget, they have all 12 Emams on their side....)

Did it "make sense" to kill Farrokhzad? Was he a huge obstacle to the Khomeini regime's regional ambitions? I don't think so....Does it "make sense" to execute over 200 Bahais? Well, if you are an Islamist terrorist, yes it does make sense to kill "enemies" like Farrokhzad living in the West and to execute the Bahais as well. 


Rea

Faramarz the Profiler

by Rea on

Be it as it may, I prefer to wait for the process and see what Arbabsiar got to say.

Right now not convinced. Particularly in the light of the latest round of sanctions being discussed and needing justification.

Am not normally into hidden agendas but have recently read something on IC that really made me wonder. There were some links in amirparvizfsm' recent blog, such as H. Shahidi: BBC Persian Service 60 years on. Reading took me to some other links and more reading. Ended up rather stunned by how media inflluence people.

So, for the time being, I'll wait.

PS. In case Arbabsiar really did it, he's rather greedy or extremely naive for someone his age.


G. Rahmanian

To Iranian Sherlocks:

by G. Rahmanian on

Some Entities Seem To Be Upset the plot was not successful! They do not put 2 and 2 together. Yes, there is a terrorist regime in place in Tehran. Yes, this regime has assassinated many Iranians abroad. Yes, this regime is desperate to provoke yet another war. Yes, this regime has called the US Islam's worst enemy. Yes, this regime blames the US for everything that goes wrong in the world. Yes, this regime will do anything to stay in power. Yes, the regime has masterminded terrorist attacks against the US. Yes, the plot of the terrorist attack on 9/11 was ludicrously simple. So simple that even laimbrain Ahmadinejad claims the US government blew up the towers. Yes, driving a truckload of explosives to a place to blow it up is as simple as driving to a convenience store to buy gum. Yes, most plots look or sound simplistic with the benifit of hindsight. But since the plot in this case was folded, we must insist that IR would not come up with such stupid plots. And certainly claim the timing is off! In the past three decades, when do these entities think would have been the best time? Can't they think that with all the talented Americans the US government could have found someone to write a fantastic plot? Is it really difficult for many people working for FBI or CIA to write an elaborate plot? Why didn't anyone in the US government think of writing a more elaborate plot? Haven't some folks become so delusional that don't want to spend even a few minutes of their time reflecting on the very simple fact that they are not as smart as they think they are? That underestimating other people's intelligence is indeed a psychological issue they need to get help for?


Iran 2050

VPK, Don’t create your

by Iran 2050 on

VPK,

Don’t create your own definitions. Many countries supplied Iraq with weapons during Iraq war (which started because Khomeini messed with Saddam’s authority and got him mad when he tried to overthrow his regime and establish another fundamentalist shite state, thus making IRI responsible for the starting the conflict), including USSR (i.e. Russia) who is Iran’s best friend now. Don’t give me that proxy war BS.

U.S bombed and destroyed Iraq for false claims of ties between Saddam and terrorists; however the world knows and sees Iran as the biggest sponsor of global fundamentalism and terrorism for 32 years and no one has done anything about it.

That’s simply injustice. I’m not saying bomb Iran, I’m saying help the ones in Iran who want a better tomorrow and future for Iran (Obviously you’re not one of them) overthrow this regime. If the world wants fundamentalism and terrorism and East – West clash of civilization to die out, they need to do two things: 1- Help those Iranians who fight the regime overthrow IRI 2- Stop supporting Israel in it’s occupation of Palestine and other nations.

Simple as that.


alimostofi

Ok guys let me make it

by alimostofi on

Ok guys let me make it clear.

A search engine will soon scan your comments and will not be able to connect what you have written to anything. Please put a little more effort.

Ali Mostofi

//www.alimostofi.com

 


Onlyiran

Also, why couldn't the IRGC go directly to the Mexicans

by Onlyiran on

by itself instead of getting this guy involved in the U.S., which obviously brought upon more suspecion?  They could get into Mexico.  Plus, they could have even enlisted the help of their friends in South America, such as Chavez, et.al.  


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

No it does not make sense

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

Going after this guy "makes sense" (if you are an IRI terrorist, that
is) in the context of the IRI's very poor relations with Saudi Arabia.

No it doesn't. Because the fingers will immediately point to them. In fact they would do well to protect the guy! The last thing they need is to give an excuse to get bombed. Now maybe they are so stupid. I would not put it past Khamenei. But it is not smart and does not make sense. If Obama or anyone is looking for an excuse to bomb the Basiji forces this is it!  Of course it was also stupid to cheat in the elections but Khamenei did it anyway. That cost him a chance to make up with Obama. Stupidity does not mean it won't be done. 

The dumbest move would be to have 32,0000 Basiji in Tehran nice and isolated. Then give an excuse to USA to blow them to bits. Maybe this is just what Khamenei is doing. Ideally Basiji get blown up; people overthrow Khamenei; Iran is free! Yes right!


alimostofi

Fair: Coherence It is

by alimostofi on

Fair: Coherence
It is desperately important that like the words Persian Gulf, we all rally around the word Iran. You will all see articles all over the net using ...Iran... when describing the activies of IRGC or The Hezbollah Party in Iran. I am constantly telling the Israelis in Jerusalem Post or the Arabs in Al Jazeera or the Christian Right in CSM or the Left wing and especially those morons in anti-war.com, that they need to not use ...Iran... to make The Hezbollah Party in Iran look like nationalists. Iran is a cultural and historical term. It is not political or religious.

Ali Mostofi

//www.alimostofi.com

 


MRX1

Fishy

by MRX1 on

As much as i hate IRI (Just about everything about it) some how this story looks a bit fishy to me . A plot to kill sauid ambassador in U.S? what possible gain will come out of this. I say it's a fabrication to create tension and state of fear, so Saudi's and countries around persian gulf can start buying more arms from U.S (Too many unemployed people after all they need jobs) and a good justification to get a mandate from U.N to bomb all the soviet junky nuke stuff including the out dated useless Bushehr nuclear reactor.Russians will do good though, cause after the disturction they will sell the same junk back to IRI at ten times the price they sold it before. Revolutionery guard will probaly do good too, more looting, more control, more abuse while every one's attention is on this issue. As usuall the people in Iran will get shafted.

 


Fair

IRGC is enemy of Iran

by Fair on

and a completely legitimate target.  In this case, the people of Iran and the United States do have a common enemy- the Islamic Revolution Guard Corps.  They have been a terrorist organization from day one, terrorizing Iranians and non Iranians both inside and outside of Iran.  They do not even claim allegiance to Iran, they are a virus that is sucking up the resources of our country by force.  As long as they exist and thrive in Iran and extend their influence over Iran, expect Iran to suffer more, including this latest episode.  Some here think this is cheerleading and blame the messenger, but it is mere simple fact.  No need for personal attacks on people's patriotism or other virtues (or lack thereof).

Ali Jan, you are absolutely right.  This is Hezbollah, not Iran, and we should call a duck a duck.  They themselves proudly call themselves Hezbollah, and proudly claim that they are opposed to "maktabe Irani", they are anti Iranian and there is no dispute about this, even from them.

 

Amir Jan, you are absolutely right as well.  Bakhtiar was an Iranian ahead of his time, and too many in Iran preferred to follow a donkey than him in 1979, and we continue pay the price today.And yes, those who followed Khomeini in 1979 were stupid and responsible and guilty for the mess we find ourselves in today.  If you are going to oppose a dictator,propose something better rather than go backwards by 1400 years.

And finally, I don't see what relevance at all the percentage of educated vs non educated Iranians has to do with any of this.  This elitism is a disease which plagued us back then as well.  Many of the so called educated were at the forefront of one of the most backward movements of the 20th century- Khomeiniism/Hezbollah.  Let us wake up and stop using "education" to do agha bozorgy. These things are a matter of mere common sense.


alimostofi

AMIR1973 and

by alimostofi on

AMIR1973 and OnlyIran

Please do not use IRI.  It means nothing to the general world.  Please everyone let us try to incrEASE the use of the term ...The Hezbollah Party in Iran..., such that it comes up as the most relevant description for them, in all written reports. It is not rude and it is correct. Even they don't mind it.  But it puts them in the correct religious and political context, as distinct from the word ...Iran...

One of the most important components of Non-Violencent Opposition, is to prepare properly for the moment, when change has taken place. The last thing you want, is for them to be mad.  Sounds ridiculous, but correct naming is more important than anything else.  Respect is very important, especially against someone you disagree with.

 

Ali Mostofi

//www.alimostofi.com

 


AMIR1973

Saudi Arabia is a much bigger obstacle than Bakhtiar

by AMIR1973 on

I respect Bakhtiar and think he was a decent human being and Iranian. Iran would be in a much better place if he had been given a chance. But, let's be honest with ourselves: when Bakhtiar was killed in 1991, he had little to no chance of overthrowing the IRI and achieving regime change. The IRI killed him because he was an "enemy" and because the job was "doable". At this point in time, Saudi Arabia can and has done a lot more to thwart the IRI's regional ambitions than Bakhtiar could in 1991, and the target of this plot is a key advisor to the Saudi king himself. Going after this guy "makes sense" (if you are an IRI terrorist, that is) in the context of the IRI's very poor relations with Saudi Arabia.


Onlyiran

Another possible motive

by Onlyiran on

Aside from the whole Bahrain issue, Saudi Arabia has been funding and supporting separatist Arab movements in southwest Iran, as well as radical Sunni sects in Seistan and Baluchestan area.  Perhaps this was the payback?


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Dear Arj

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

Thank you for bringing some reason into the discussion. Yes refusing to go with that mentality does have a cost. But really why should it matter if a number of IC posters do not like me.

Let them call me names you probably read what they have called me. One was implying I am a woman. As if there is anything wrong with it! People imply American women are not smart enough to know why some guy wants to marry them. 

You are absolutely right I want IRI gone 32 years ago! It has been hell for my parents to be away from their home. Worse for my grandparents who passed away. A bit less bad for me but still I much rather be in a reasonable Iran. But if you so much as question the "party line" you are an IRI supporter. As for the post on "Chickens come home" Arab nations have been bombed as was Iran. Who funded Saddam and supplied him with gas to kill Iranians? It is not like Iran has not suffered as 2050 implies.


Arj

Spin Room!

by Arj on

Dear VPK, it looks like the CNN is not the only one with a Situation Room, but IC seems to have its own SR and those who rush head over heels, spinning B.S. and psychobables into political analysis to capitalize on the issue before the dust settles! I know that you're not a supporter of IRI and love to see it gone yesterday, as I do, hence the rational doubts! But refusing to go with the flow of mob mentality is always the less convenient path!


Soosan Khanoom

Far right seems to be the voice of the U.S these days

by Soosan Khanoom on

cause far left is camping at the wall street   :)