WAR

VPK: It is highly offensive …

To call those who fight for their families themselves,  despite great danger, as "stupid".

In most circles, they are considered courageous and brave and I won’t bother to point out the term that is often used for those who balk at the fighting themselves.
 
With that said, let’s leave at that.

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

Ara and statistics

What happens if I go to Iran and openly reject Islam? Would there be one more "death' added to your statistics. How about if I wanted to become a Christian or an atheist. 

What happens if a man proclaims he is gay and has a male lover? One more added to the statistics.

What about a person who "insults" Mohammad. Add up another one to the stats! Wow they are adding up real fast aren't they. 

In USA I get to do any of the above and nothing happens to me. 

That is "quality" of life also known as "freedom" of choice. 

I know Islamism does not have that concept.

No one in their right mind compares IRI and USA.

If IRI is so great why do Iranians do anything to get out?

Because IRI sucks as a place of normal people.

Mehrdad

I am not stupid enough to fight 200,000 basiji goons on my own. Yes I would "outsource" it and I am not afraid to say it. When it is family I will gladly take help from America or anyone.

Regarding the chaos it will only happen if people put up a fight. Why don't you exaimine the Kurd response. They welcomed the Americans because they had no loyalty to Saddam. The result was their autonomy and NO chaos. Arabs fought back and managed to inflict more death on themselves than anyone. It is their own *** fault for blowing each other up. Same goes for Taliban who are the main cause of problems in Afghanistan.

What I would do is to turn in all the basiji goons and their sympathizers. Get them shipped to Guantanamo and be done. Then there will be peace and freedom. No more sanctions or forced religion. As for my opinion you may know it but I have a right to state it for others. Just as you state yours. There are thousands of IC readers and I am talking to them not just you. Specially when you propose a response which I consider a disaster.

More statistics for Ali...

• Annual number of deaths in the U.S.:  2,423,712 

• Heart disease: 616,067
• Cancer: 562,875
• Stroke: 135,952
• Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 127,924
• Accidents: 123,706

long live Iran

You missed my point. Iran is under attack by ISLAM! Not by America or Israel. If IRR was not there neither America nor Israel would have a fight with Iran! It is the Islamic Regime that is the problem not America.]

Besides fighting America is a losing proposition. At least at the "head to head" way. The only method is "asymmetric warfare". If America wants to attack it will do it and win the traditional war.

Basically I have two issues:

• I do not want to preserve the IRR. By their rules I am a "Mohareb" and to be executed. Why: because I rejected Islam. Why should I want to preserve a regime that wants to kill me.
• The Islamic regime is anti Iranian. It disrespects Iranian things. It worships Arabism over Iran. Therefore I consider it an occupation regime. No better than any other invader. Much worse than many others.
• A fight against America is suicidal. The only thing you get is more damage. The way to minimize the damage is immediate surrender. That is what I will do if I were a soldier.

VPK jaan: One would have hoped…

If your kid was on the death row for being a Mohareb, I would have hoped that you pick a gun and fight yourself first instead of outsourcing it to other mercenaries.

How would you as a dad face your child to say ’ well while I remained in a safe place,  I supported those  who came to save you?  And BTW, don’t worry about the chaos that followed and those who got killed innocently, I am just glad you are safe.’

I know, we all know your view, while you are against war, there is nothing to be done against it so might as well go with the flow and try to influence the outcome.

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

Cain - "poor people R poor because they do not want 2B rich"

The reasoning in this article is as offensive as Cain's outrageous proclamation that "the poor people are poor because they do not want to be rich".

Well, how about the starving people, then.  According to WHO, one billion people every year are starving, 6 million of which perish every year.  By AM's logic, why don't we bomb the life out of this one billion since a good portion will die anyways, and we are just putting them out of their miserable living.  NOT.

RG is right

War has often been a solution as it was in Cambodia. What stopped the killing fields? It was an invasion by Vietnam. 

I am not proposing war but it is flat out wrong to say it was never a solution. The greatest single threat to Iran is IRR. If my kid was on death row for being a "Mohareb" I would welcome an invasion. Yes I would and thank anyone who removed IRR. 

These ***holes have been asking for it since the hostages. Picking any fight they may and sticking their nose in other peoples business. Why should "Iran" be involved in "Palestine". Or in Lebanon? Why should they bring the barbarism of stoning? What is wrong with these ***holes. They deserve to be wiped off the face of earth. Not one single member of IRI leadership is sane. They are the worst enemy of Iran. And I am sick of hearing about Palestinians who sided with Saddam.

WAR HAS NEVER BEEN A SOLUTION.

I saw that you have writen IRAN has been under attack by arabic country, Mongols, Alexander, Turks and et cet and lets this be one of them....Well I just think if our ancestors were thinking in this way and did not fight back the enemy, we should not have Iran as a country now and therefore not this discussion .....But who could have been now?  Turks, Mongols or perhaps arab. Is it what you like to be called?....up to you... I am glad that my ancestore fight for the freedom of the country and I am proudly call myself IRANIAN....I hope very much that I leave IRAN hopefully as a free and advanced country to the next generation.

LONG LIVE IRAN

Bull crap it is....

But for sure a bigger bull crap is when and by those who are ”sitting in london , toronto or LA, with safety of mind offered through a canadian, US or european dual citizenship,  screaming nationalistic  slogons on computer, using a nationalistic user ID” and calling for their mother-land to be bombed.

We should read a bit and educate ourselves that the nation that we are hoping to go and emancipate us from the tyranny of IRI, has done nothing but help those tyrants around the world, including IRI.  If it wasn’t for the West despicable and unrelenting support most of those tyrant, including in Saudi Arabia probably would have fallen by the weight of their own people a long time ago.  Even in the case of Nazi Germany, this nation happily stayed on the side walk enjoying profiting from the war till the war was declared on them. 

A bit of reading and education can help us all a long way.

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

"WAR HAS NEVER BEEN A SOLUTION"

Bull crap! And let's face it, some of us Iranians are full of it.

Nazi Germany was defeated only through a war.  

I am strongly  against war on Iran myself. Yet I believe that sitting in london , toronto or LA, with safety of mind offered through a canadian, US or european dual citizenship,  screaming nationalistic  slogons on computer, using a nationalistic user ID, is not going to kid anyone but youself. If you have the balls, and believe in what you say,  go to Iran today and get ready to "defend Iran". Otherwise, If you are a true anti war, a true patriot of Iran, and care about Iran and it's people,  then read a bit, and understand why our country is fast becoming the legitimate target of a military aggression in the eyes of western people. Then you will learn that the biggest cause of war is the islamist regime and it's leadership and their reckless foreign "policy", for want of a better word. Then you'd start fighting the real cause of the war, the fascist islamist regime and it's entire leadership. 

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Yes, the only answer is a military answer!

Even if the US did land trooops in Bushehr, Bandar Abbas, Chabahar etc. and started Operation Freedom Persia, the collateral damage would never, by a light year, equal the number of Iranians killed by The Islamic Republic of Iran in the past 32 years.

The Islamic Republic of Iran has waged war on its people for 32 years, and the more you talk of peace and diplomacy, the more you give them opportunities to continue doing so:

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The good part is, the US doesnt need to land troops in Iran. Just bomb startegical targets of the Sepaah. That will decapitate them for some 10 years. 

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Help stop the genocide of Iran's people by the regime of Imam Zaman!

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long live Iran

I said we should defend our country from in and outside democraticaly... It means that we should politically work for freedom...WAR HAS NEVER BEEN A SOLUTION... As I said Iran are differet from IRR... HOW COME SOMENOE CAN BE CALLED IRANIAN AND INSISTS ON WAR ON IRAN.......SO NO WAR ON IRAN......LONG LIVE IRAN.

What does that mean in reality? Do you mean to go and fight to preserve the IRI? Do you mean to go fight against IRI right now or what? I am sick of hearing rhetoric without any real details. I want to know what you plan to do

By the way it is not up to you to define who is Iranian. While I do not support war I see why some people do. Iran is an occupired nation right now. It is occupired by an Islamist Hizbolah backed regime. To me it is no different than Nazi occupired France. Did the French oppose Allieed "invasion"? Many actively supported it because it rid them of the Nazi occupation. The real war against Iran started in 1979 with the "revolution". We have been an occupired nation since.

Thank you dear JM; MEK and Melli Mazhabi you really did it.

I like to know

under what circumstances would Israelis allow a foreign army attack them? I like to know Under what circumstances is OK for a foreign army to attack USA ? I live in USA, as a citizen of this land I would say never

Get one thing

in your heads. We are not going to be asked whether Iran will be attacked or not. Did USA ask anyone for permission to attack Iraq? How about all the other wars. You may stamp your feet all you want but it makes no change.

The only thing we may do is to influence what happens IF they do it. That is a GIANT if because I do not think they will. But if they do then we need to be prepared. I don't understand why this is a question. Of course I will be ready to help any Iranians who get injured if USA attacks. Yes I will put my money where my mouth is. I will make donations of money; blood even a kidney if need be. But I will not hide my head in the sand. 

If USA attacks Iran the best reaction is to surrender immediately. USA will win a direct conflict no matter what. In order to minimize the damage surrender is the right thing. Otherwise there will be far more damage; bombings and so on.

لطفا سرِ پیچ سبقت نگیرید.

چند دفعه بگیم؟ هم تو جاده تلفات میده، هم بهانه دست این و اون میده که
جنگ راه بندازن و کشتار کنن. اینهم مواظب باشید که هوا را آلوده نکنید.
آمریکا هرجا که هوا کثیف باشه بمباران میکنه. رعایت کنید چربی‌ هم زیاد
نخورید، آمار بیماری بالا رفتن همان و قتل عام ملت بیگناه همان.

Is it time to go back to Iran?

Iranians in abroad has to get ready to go back to Iran and take care of disabled Iranians resulting from a war in addition to the arrangement of funerals for deads.  We also should make sure to learn the symptoms and treatments of mental issues of Iranians resulting from a war.  I hope the invading country pays for all health care and expenses of hospitals and treatments. 

What about to take the advantage of such a war, go back to Iran, step on children and elderly death bodies and become rich? 

"It's not about what we believe. It's more about how we behave and influence." Comments

Rtayebi1: I concur completely with your message…

All of it.

Well said!

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

IRAN IS DIFFERENT FROM IRR.

I said we should defend our country from in and outside democraticaly... It means that we should politically work for freedom...WAR HAS NEVER BEEN A SOLUTION... As I said Iran are differet from IRR... HOW COME SOMENOE CAN BE CALLED IRANIAN AND INSISTS ON WAR ON IRAN.......SO NO WAR ON IRAN......LONG LIVE IRAN.

didn't TRAITORS

like this idiot attacked Iran from Iraq? calling Saddam, brother Saddam? I hope IRI gets what it deserves, I hope the leaders of IRI spend the rest of their worthless shitty life in prison, but for now I am absolutely against any attack on Iran. I just DO NOT get it. They R actually saying a foreign army should attack Iran because is good for the people of Iran? I can not even comprehend to live far away form Iran (Irvine, Cali) and say ATTACK ATTACK

Re: WE ARE IRANIAN.....LETS PROVE IT.

How do I prove it; not by siding with IRR. I do not want an attack by outside. But if IRR goes on murdering my friends then all bets are off. I would not spend one second defending the IRR. 

What possible reason do I have to defend an Islamic Occupation? Instead I am going to put my power to guarantee a good POST Islam Iran. To get USA to guarantee a Secular Unified Iran. Maybe even throw in Northern Afghanistan. 

IRR is just walking dead and have no hope so we might as well dig up its grave. Accept reality and prepare for the next phase. A Secular Iran dominated by Seculars; Zoroastrians and Christians. Bye Islam and good riddence to 1400 years of ***.

باز هم خطا ؟

عبارت نقل شده میرساند که گویا صلح جهانی در گرو سرنگونی حکومت در ایران است . واقعآ اینطور است ؟ آیا تاریخ را بررسی کرده ایم که ببینیم بزرگترین جنگها همراه یا بدنبال رکود اقتصادی پدید آمده اند ؟ نمیتوان دید که دنیا در حال غلتیدن به شراشیبی رکودی بی سابقه است که محصولش شورشها و جنگهای بس بزرگ ست ؟

باز همین یک جمله میرساند که گویا مردم ایران از حکومت میترسند و گویا جمهوری اسلامی از کره مریخ آمده و خود مردم ایران و  بیشتر همین مخالفان شرمنده امروزی و بیگانگان دستی در آن نداشته اند . روشنفکران و سیاسیون دورافتاده یا بیگانه با مردم واقعی ، ترس و ضعف خود را به مردم نسبت میدهند . توده مردم هیچگاه از هیچ حکومتی نمیترسند بلکه ازش کار میکشند ، سبک سنگینش میکنند ، اگر ببینند کج میرود تا بشود راستش میکنند و اگر روزی در مجموع از حکومت سیر شوند برایش نقشه میکشند و در موقعی که خودشان در عمل مناسب ببینند بدون اینکه منتظر اعلامیه های این و آن شوند دست به کار میشوند .

اگر میخواهید دنیای واقعی امروز و آینده را بگونه ای دیگر هم ببینید و در مورد ایران دو باره مرتکب خطا نشوید این پیوند را هم ملاحظه بفرمائید :

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Dear long live Iran

I have news our beloved Iran WAS attacked. Once 1400 years ago by a bunch of trash out of hell. Then 32 years ago by home grown *** with Shariati mindlessness. Then in 1980 by more of the same trash.

Now the best of Iranians are either in exile; dead or in jail. Thank you IRR. Therefore I see an attack to be just a continuation of the "norm". We had a nice 38 year break with the Shah. Iran was safe and we had peace. But the ***holes were not happy. They tried trumping up charges. When that failed they burned 400 people and blamed it on the Shah. The morons who are the majority went for it and kicked out the Shah. Then we got Bakhtiryar. He was too decent so the morons wanted none of him.

Then we got the "Golden Age" of the vampire which they loved. A war that should have been over in 2 years was extended to 8. I WANT IRR gone and all the SOBs dragged in front of a court. No more Mr. Nice Guy. F*** IRR; Islam and all the ***holes who brought it. Our beloved nation is already under occupation by a bunch of filth dirt bags. Ali Gheda and the his Palestinian Hizbollahi goons. If an attack means their demise go for it. I just don't trust the USA to do the right thing. 

No Reason is Accepted to let Our Beloved Contry be attacked.

Whatever reasons you wrote are not enough to let us to leave our country alone in such hard days. NO WAR ON IRAN!!

History will judge us! Lets not to feel ashamed infront of our decendor. We should save any centemeter of this country.....Lets show that we can change our destiny by ourselve and we do not need anyone from outside......WE ARE IRANIAN.....LETS PROVE IT.

Regarding Mossadegh

Dear ham mihans:

He is gone and done with may we move on? Are we going to spend the next 200 years debating him. Good or bad the doctor is gone dead and buried. It is time for Iranian people to realize NOW. 

Decades were spent raising hate for his removal. Fine how about this: you were right: OK? Now may we get to the future. My bet is that his worshipers will go to grave still screaming about it. Most Iranian youth do not have any memory of him.

Now we got two professors both his supporters fighting about him. Folks it is over today is here and we got to deal with it! 

Thanks to the in fighting we managed to get IRR. Whether you want it or not IRR is gonna go. Be ready for the next period or spend the rest of your days debating Moddageh. My money is that you will do the latter.

Meanwhile the pragmatists will take over and move on. When after we are done with IRR there will be a few university positions. We would have "Mossadegh debaters" position as an optional course in the university. How about it.

Iran's Enemy Number One!

Let's hope IR will fail in its bid to provoke yet another war. Anyone who defends IR criminals by refusing to squrely put all the blame on the regime in Tehran for trying to provoke a war is a traitor! Anyone who, under the pretext of defending Iran and its territorial integrity, advocates siding with the regime in case a war breaks out, is either an enemy of the people of Iran or is simply ignorant! Anyone who uses the pretext of an "mminent war" to mobilize support for the regime, but consciously ignores the sufferings of Iranians under the rule of IR, is committing a treasonable act! Only the ignorant, traitors or demagogues would champion defending Iran under the current circumstances where Iranians are ruled by their staunchest enemy since the takeover of their country by Arabs in the seventh century. It is incumbent on all patriotic Iranians and those who care about Iran and oppose IR's murderous rule to prioritize their fight against the regime regardless of how many "foreign enemies" are out there planning to unleash wars against Iran. It is also the duty of all freedom-loving Iranians to expose those hypocrites who regard Iraqis siding with IR against Saddam's forces during the 8-year war as heroes while calling patriotic Iranians who oppose the regime, "traitors." Two years ago, tens of millions of Iranians demonstrated to the whole world that the Islamist regime in Tehran is Iran's number one enemy. We must unite and take our country back from its enemy number one!

اگر وسط اقيانوس اطلس پنچر کرديد، آمريکا بايد لوازم يدکی

17آبان: فرمانده نيروی دريايی: نيروی دريايی ايران حق و توان حضور در سواحل آمريکا را دارد

مهر
فرمانده نيروی دريايی ارتش با بيان اينکه طبق قوانين بين المللی نيروی دريايی هر کشوری می تواند در آبهای آزاد حضور يابد، گفت: نيروی دريايی ايران حق دارد در سواحل ايالات متحده آمريکا حضور پيدا کند.

اميردريادار حبيب الله سياري، در گفتگو با خبرنگار مهر، در خصوص مأموريت تازه ناوشکن جماران در آب‌های بين المللی عنوان کرد: ناوشکن جمهوری اسلامی ايران هم اکنون در عرصه آبهای آزاد حضور دارد، در حال حاضر در تنگه باب المندب حد فاصل خليج عدن و دريای سرخ قرار دارد و مأموريتش نيز مانند ساير ناوگروه ها گشت شمال اقيانوس هند، خليج عدن، تنگه باب المندب و دريای سرخ است.

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مبادا که یک مو از سر رهبر کم شود

ولی اگر خلق خدا چپ و راست به دست رژیم کشته و هلاک شوند عیبی نداره اون مصلحت خداست، مثل گوسفندان عید قربان.

The problem with Mirfetros

is that he wants to be taken seriously by taking positions that provoke strong reaction. From his fabrication, history rewriting, and trash talking about Dr. Mohammad Mosaddegh - to which too many credible people and historians responded - to advocating war accompanied by nonsense statistics, his goal is only to stand out.

Mammad

ای جیگر طلاها!

کاشکی خدا مرگم بده ننه که فارسی این زبون چون گل گاوزبون! را یاد نگرفتم که بتونم نوشته های این جیگر طلاها را بخونم! راستش وقتش هم نیست چون تو فیس بوک میرم ۲۴ ساعت و به فیس و افاده جیگرا و کله پوکای دیگه نگا می کونم! وای نگا کن این زیرو ننه! این علی بوسی چه سبیلی داره و چه عینکی! وای این یکی راببین! چه کلاهی! حتمأ از رضا قربونش بره آن ننه ذلیل شده اش هدیه گرفته! وا آن ته چیه دیگه! پتاه بر خدا نکنه ابلیس هم فارسیش خوب شده و مثل علی بوسی اینجا و آنجای اجنبی را ماچ میکنه! وای خدا معجزه شده! من ایرونی نویشتم! الهی که ویرون بشه هر چه خائن وطن فروشه ننه!