MOJAHEDIN

Muslim Democray

Turkey is a Democracy with a majority "Muslim" population. That does not make it an Islamic state. No more than France is a "Christian" state. Their laws are secular and not religious. There is no Islamic democracy possible.

Deev jan talking to Salman is a waste of time because he does not hear you. All you get is a broken record.

Brother my ***.

Brother Jaan

between what an individual named Bernard Lewis says and what an institution like Webster's dictionary says, which one do you think I value more? Having spent 7 months in Turkey I saw enough to know it's not an Islamic government.
Cheers

Brother ghool

read and learn:

//www.meforum.org/216/why-turkey-is-the-only-muslim-democracy 

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brother confused

please look up the meaning of secular in a dictionary before passing your presumptions as fact...

"not pertaining to or connected with religion (opposed to sacred)"

Trukey despite having a moslem population is a SECULAR democracy meaning their government is not islamic, the very same way american population is christian but the government isn't.

//dictionary.reference.com/browse/secular

Brother Deev

AS WELL AS AN ISLAMIC ONE! 

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Brother Khalili

Those soldiers were not fighting for Iran they were fighting for Khomeini (like yourself - lol). By the way you are not even a christian if your were born to a muslim father you always remain a muslim brother. Duh

BTW, can you prove that you actually exist? 

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salman farsi

You want me to quote the Abel and Cain story from the Bible for you?

Don't flash Bible quotes at me - my mother is Christian, and I'll kick your BS Bible knowledge butt any day.

If you're into all this "brother" crap, you might ask the "Mujahedin" why they killed Iranian soldiers who were defending Iran against Iraq.

Weren't those their brothers?

Duh. 

Brother Mistaken

Turkey is a "SECULAR" democracy, look it up!

Why I call people "BROTHER"

As a muslim I believe in the words of Jesus (AS). He said:

Matthew 5:22 (ESV)

"But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire."

So I never get angry with anyone, I nevel insut anyone and I never call anyone a fool. But those who call me a fool will have hell fire waiting for them.

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This angoolphile entity is an example of a voter

Here's the sort of mentality that is supposed to determine who gets elected.

These are the kind of people who vote.

They aren't geniuses - quite the opposite, they're people who should not be trusted to make any right decision about even small things, let alone who should lead a country. 

JK!

Iranians are "Tazeh be doran resideh"

They've just learned this cool gimmicky word, "Democracy" - just like they learned the cool gimmicky word "Islamic Republic" back in 1979.

If Iranians think something is cool, that's generally a sign it isn't. 

Democracy is an illusion

Can anyone name a single country where the leadership actually consults with the public about any decision it makes?

In America, the people who get "elected" are the best politicians that money can buy.

Media and financial support influence the public to vote for one person or another, without knowing a damned thing about them. 

Islamic Democracy Oxymoron

It is impossible to have a religious democracy. Because democracy is based on law of people. Rule of people not religion. Islamic rule means obey the rules of Quoran. Does the majority get to reject parts of Quoran.

• If yes then it is not an Islamic system.
• If no then it is not a democracy. 

In a democracy you get to even revise the constitution albeit with super majorities. In an Islamic system you don't get to revise the rules in Quoran. It is possible to democratically give up your rights and become a theocracy. But that is a really bad idea and the reason we need a strong Secular "Bill of Rights". That is why America is thriving while Islamic Republic is in a dump. That is why in America you get to speak your mind without getting raped.

More from Salman

Salman claims:

"Islamic democracy is a fact not a myth. See Turkey for reference."

Funny you mention Turkey! Your Imam doesnt quite agree with you:

//english.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/12/14/182516.html

Please read this recent post of one of their ex-member

Please read this recent post of one of their ex-member. It shows vividly how brutally their evil leader are using their member and ignoring their primary human right:

//iranian.com/main/blog/bluebird-1

Now we all must ask UN to make MKE member free from their evil leards; Maryam and Masoud. 

Long Live Iran

Brothers Khalili and Deev

We are all brothers and sisters.

Brother Khalili

You suggested that I should ask People of Worship (PoW) to verify your stories. Well the burden of proof is on you brother, so you must do the running I am afraid not me. If these people are not hocus pocus like the rest of your storeis, then ask them to come out and prove themselves.

Brother Deev

Islamic democracy is a fact not a myth. See Turkey for reference and soon see Egypt for reference

Assalam-o-alaikom va rahmatollah. 

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Their victims also deserve consideration

Of course, those who have been tricked and are mental captives, should be given a chance and perhaps allowed to return to normal life after deprogramming (provided they don't have anyone's blood on their hands).

They used to deprogram American kids who had joined religious cults, for example.

//www.amazon.com/Let-Our-Children-Ted-Patrick/dp/0345283430

But there should be a complete exposure of everything. Some Mujahedin members are murderers. I don't feel like helping those.

Regarding your question

I believe they should not have sided with "sadam". However, I believe that many presently in camp Ashraf, might be there against their own will. As such, a humane end to this isue is called for.

Yes, see both sides

But its your country.

Do you tolerate everything that someone does to it? 

If someone is assaulting your mother, will you stand aside and try to see "both sides"?

Jahan, another really bad characteristic

that some Iranians have is to only see an issue from one side, not all sides. Many Iranians can only see their own point of view not the opposing side. I give credit to Mr. Bagherzaed. Even though he is not a supporter of Mujahedin, he is taking a system view of conditions. Not letting his hate get better of him. You should try this sometimes too.

Mujahedin should be disbanded and their members put on trial

All this crap about it being a tragedy that they are being kicked out of Iraq ignores all the things that THEY did.

I already hinted at some of that stuff.

If any of you are any good as patriots, you'll be angry over them. 

Treason is one of the worst crimes, and all humans everywhere despise traitors.

Even Genghis Khan executed his own enemies for betraying their own people.

Azadeh Khanoom, Mr Bagherzadeh writes about many subjects

This one is about camp Ashraf. However, most of his articles are about Iran. Also, part of your comment about Mr. Bagherzadeh is uncalled for. It is not your business who washes his clothes. Do we ask you who washes your clothes?

rain bow movement

I completely disagree that the basij or pasdars didn't respresent Iran.

They were defending Iran, along with soldiers of the regular army.

Did you look at the pictures of the dead Iranians who were dumped in the hospital courtyard by the "Mujahedin", after they were shot by them?

If you're not angry as a result of those pictures, and instead are concerned with nitpicking over ideology, I really question whether you are yourself in touch with your own people's problems. 

Iranian soldiers did get angry as a result of seeing that stuff, and let's just say that they "took care of" all the "Mujahedin" that they captured.

; ) 

I like to see them free out of Iraq &out of Iran

Mojahedin made a big mistake and they paid the price,most of Iranian don't like them for 2 reasons.

1-they belive in a backward idealogy(Islam) like IR.

2-they are not admiting to their mistakes and aske for forgivness from Iranian people only(mollayan va pasdaran va basiji ha jozve mardome Iran be hesab nemi ayand).

I like to see them alive & free out of Iraq and out of Iran,again for 2 reason.

1- I don't like to see them in the hand of merdurous IR,as they looks victorious

2-in case if real democratic government came into the power in Iran(which I doubt it),they have no power in it and realize, what have they done and how good it is to be free and not to be a servent of a monster like Rajavee=khamenhee.

Islam is the enemy of  Iranian.enemy of freedom,enemy of the women.

جناب خلیلی

گاهی اوقات کوبیدن سر به دیوار از گفتگو با بعضی اشخاص مفید تر است من باب مثال افرادی که فکر میکنند اسلام سیاسی برای جامعه مفید است

It'll be easier if you give me YOUR contact info.

Then I can forward it to them.

They'd love to meet you.

; ) 

What's with this "brother" crap?

Can you talk like normal people?

Or did your dumb organization brainwash you so much that you can't think for yourself? 

You mean People Of Worship (POW)?

Can you give me their contact details brother?  

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Also

Iranian POWs returning from Iraq after the realease of prisoners (after the ceasefire) reported what your precious "Mujahedin" was doing to them in camps inside Iraq.

The "Mujahedin" acted like slave drivers, extracting work from the prisoners, and assisting their brutal Iraqi captors in interogations.

Once a prisoner shouted "Death to monafegh" at them. He was immediatly shot. 

This is how the "Mujahedin" would behave if they ever came to power in Iran.

Go and ask former Iranian POWs about this. They'll tell you.